If the entire world were converted to Islam would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Christianity would there really be peace on earth, goodwill towards men?

If the entire world were converted to Buddhism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to "Your Religion or Philosophy Here" would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Atheism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to just one Religion or Philosophy, which one would be the best one? Which one would bring peace and harmony to all of the peoples of the earth? Which would bring about the end of war?

Let the battle begin... He He...

If the entire world were converted to Islam would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Christianity would there really be peace on earth, goodwill towards men?

If the entire world were converted to Buddhism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to "Your Religion or Philosophy Here" would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Atheism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to just one Religion or Philosophy, which one would be the best one? Which one would bring peace and harmony to all of the peoples of the earth? Which would bring about the end of war?

Let the battle begin... He He...

No but, yeah but, no! because you know Kelly Philips? She gave Andrew Baker a blowjob after P.E...........

No but, yeah but, no! because you know Kelly Philips? She gave Andrew Baker a blowjob after P.E...........


So... Umm... You are saying that Kelly Philips could perhaps bring peace to mankind all by herself? Interesting theory!!!

Hmmm?

Wait, you may just have something here!

Only god could save this earth, if there is any honest one. Otherwise will be better for us to self destruct. I will be honored to push a button. This planet is a devils nest and the devils should be killed.

If the entire world were converted to Islam would there be peace on earth?


No Islam is not a homogeneous relgion, it's broken up in many factions. i.e. Sunnis, Shiets (spelling? who cares) amongs others...who are constantly in confrontation. If you basically watched the news Irag has two factions fighting over superiority rule!


If the entire world were converted to Christianity would there really be peace on earth, goodwill towards men?


Another mythic religion that has been broken up into many factions, constantly waging war amongs themselves througout the ages. No! there are apx 33k different sects of christianity all claiming to be the right path of god!

If the entire world were converted to Buddhism would there be peace on earth?


Though buddhists are not generally violent, historically for religious factions to have majority rule has been brought through violence. So again, no relgious faction can have superior numbers world wide, without confrontations from other idealogies, which basically are forced upon others with other believes.

If the entire world were converted to "Your Religion or Philosophy Here" would there be peace on earth?


The key word here is (converted) how do you suppose that an idealogy, can be made to be accepted between so many world beliefs? Historically idealogies have been forced upon others. My god beat your god, so now you follow my god, and your god is subject to my god cause my is greater. Hence the reason why there exist many gods, demigods etc..

If the entire world were converted to Atheism would there be peace on earth?


Again how do you suppose atheism can be accepted, when there's so many beliefs out there? Every individual has got to come to grips with their idealogy, and realize the truth, on their own. One world government, one world religion, or one world idealism, will not solve the problems of greed, political power, or material necessity. What are you supposing? That if all think the same, we would have a utopia?

Hm...and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Turtle were speaking out of honest belief.

There would be significantly less conflict if there were no humans bogged by any religion...since even in ONE religion there are barbaric or even questionable practices that humans will riot against.

However, humans have not evolved enough to eliminate conflict entirely as yet. A lack of religion will show only a decline in (not an elimination of) violence.

Godless...did I see correctly? 33K christianity sects???? K as in thousand???

Only god could save this earth, if there is any honest one. Otherwise will be better for us to self destruct. I will be honored to push a button. This planet is a devils nest and the devils should be killed.


But there is some good in this world, perhaps even you!

Godless...did I see correctly? 33K christianity sects???? K as in thousand???

That is correct!

That is correct!

:eek: Really? Name them please.:p

One world government, one world religion, or one world idealism, will not solve the problems of greed, political power, or material necessity. What are you supposing? That if all think the same, we would have a utopia?

Most people, on this forum, seem to have the idea that if only everyone else agreed with them then all would be right with the world. But I do not regard that as likely.

What do you recommend then? What would the best approach be for the world to take? How does man solve man? Can he even do so?

:eek: Really? Name them please.:p

I can't!

Does that mean that the information is wrong? I am not the one who did the research.

I will look into it further, however.

Thank You!

No it just seems incredibally unlikely that so many different sects of jesus creepers exist.

I couldn't agree more with the premise so far.

Universal blowjobs would indeed end all conflict. No one would have the energy to start anything of any importance.

But there is some good in this world, perhaps even you!

That's true. But the actual, tiny bit of "good" in the world is consistently overwhelmed by the "bad". And what's worse is that the better the "good" become, the easier it is for the "bad" to overwhelm it. "Good" simply can't stand up to the forces of "bad" without resorting to "bad" themselves.

Baron Max

Tut tut Auntie, you should know by now that the good Guys always win!:m: :m: :m:

No it just seems incredibally unlikely that so many different sects of jesus creepers exist.

I have looked into this a tiny bit in the past and I also grew up in the Christian world myself. From everything I have seen, 33,000 sects, or denominations of Christianity really is, at least, possible. Every single individual church has it's own leader, a single man, a pastor or a priest. And every single one of them tries to figure out what the "truth" really is. They are constantly, at least, verbally fighting over this doctrine or that doctrine. They routinely condemn each other to hell. And historically they have even killed each other over differences of belief. There probably really are thousands. How many exactly? I do not know.

That's true. But the actual, tiny bit of "good" in the world is consistently overwhelmed by the "bad". And what's worse is that the better the "good" become, the easier it is for the "bad" to overwhelm it. "Good" simply can't stand up to the forces of "bad" without resorting to "bad" themselves.

Baron Max

I perceive that you are a wise man.

What do you recommend to solve the world's problems?

I perceive that you are a wise man.?
Haha


What do you recommend to solve the world's problems?

That would be to kill everyone who is different to himself and his goat clarabell.:)

No it just seems incredibally unlikely that so many different sects of jesus creepers exist.well SetiAlpha6 quite right in his estimation.

According to David Barrett et al, editors of the "World Christian Encyclopedia: A comparative survey of churches and religions - AD 30 to 2200," there are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many smaller ones. 34,000 separate Christian groups have been identified in the world. "Over half of them are independent churches that are not interested in linking with the big denominations." Most people in the world follow one of the religions listed in the table below. Included is the name of the religion, the approximate date of its origin, its main sacred or ethical texts (if any) and its estimated numerical strength (both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the world's population.)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
and also check here http://www.bible.ca/global-religion-statistics-world-christian-encyclopedia.htm

I couldn't agree more with the premise so far.

Universal blowjobs would indeed end all conflict. No one would have the energy to start anything of any importance.


Well, it could... perhaps... at least... I mean... bring some balance to the force!

And protein to the diets of half the world's population. Why, it has the soundings of something that could help alleviate famine!

Just kidding about the famine thing. But only those who swallow really love world peace. The rest are posers.

Most people, on this forum, seem to have the idea that if only everyone else agreed with them then all would be right with the world.

Politely! WTF? are you talking about? I've been on these here board apx 6 years, now and I don't recall of any member ever mentioning that we need a world utopia, to solve the world's problems. I've seen many debates, few flame wars, some X-members disappear never come back, others permanently banned, and some just pop their head in the religious subforum every now and then. But never I've seen someone mention that everyone needs to agree with any particular ideology to solve world problems.

Baron:
That's true. But the actual, tiny bit of "good" in the world is consistently overwhelmed by the "bad".

That's an inaccurate analogy there old Baron! The truth is quite the opposite, considering that what you say would be truth, is just plain lunacies!
The world is an overwhelmingly good place, the bad is just on CNN & Fox news a bit too much, but quiet small incidents happen for a population of 6 billion. However overall the world is not in chaos, people are not constantly getting killed in the streets of civilized societies, they are not constantly committing crimes against one another, I understand that it may seem overwhelming bad to you, but hey! look, at least you got, running water, electricity to run the computer you type bs on, and you happen to live in a civil society I assume. Since you can communicate here any crap that comes up to your head! Proves that the world is not such a bad place as you so blatantly put it!

-If you are free and life is just to you than is no problem to speak about good things. Try to see a life from a slave and raped kid in Korea to get the answers. After that we could not debate about good things any more.

-Animal kingdom is just, it will not eat you for 30 years like humans do.

If the entire world were converted to Islam would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Christianity would there really be peace on earth, goodwill towards men?

If the entire world were converted to Buddhism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to "Your Religion or Philosophy Here" would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Atheism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to just one Religion or Philosophy, which one would be the best one? Which one would bring peace and harmony to all of the peoples of the earth? Which would bring about the end of war?

Let the battle begin... He He...

hmm, no. what about territory wars. think world war one. or two.

or forms of government. think communism, think capitalism.

Politely! WTF? are you talking about? I've been on these here board apx 6 years, now and I don't recall of any member ever mentioning that we need a world utopia, to solve the world's problems. I've seen many debates, few flame wars, some X-members disappear never come back, others permanently banned, and some just pop their head in the religious subforum every now and then. But never I've seen someone mention that everyone needs to agree with any particular ideology to solve world problems.

Well, perhaps I am wrong about all of this!

But... most theists I know of, especially of the Christian variety, do seem to have the mistaken idea that if only the world were run under their own particular brand of religion then the world would exist in peace. And I would make a wild guess that Islam teaches this as well. But perhaps I am wrong about this.

And... also some atheists do place differences over religion at the root of almost all wars that are fought on this planet, as if without the existence of religion, all or most wars would cease. Certainly you have seen this one somewhere in your travels. They seem to think that if only we could wipe all religions off the face of the earth then there would be peace on earth. The basic idea there being that, if everyone were atheistic, then the world would be at peace. Kinda like what is described in John Lennon's song, "Imagine". But perhaps I am wrong about this as well!

I do not have the answer to any of this, but I am looking for it. This particular forum excels at tearing people apart over differences in ideologies no matter what they are!

Is it possible for us all to come together, instead, and find solutions?

So, what direction do you recommend for the world? And how will you fix mankind, Godless? If it were up to you what would you do?

If you are free and life is just to you than is no problem to speak about good things. Try to see a life from a slave and raped kid in Korea to get the answers. After that we could not debate about good things any more.

-Animal kingdom is just, it will not eat you for 30 years like humans do.


I think you did you choose the right name for the forum! As you apparently show that you are a bit SLOW!!

Not every damn kid in the world is being raped!! Wait, Just one second! Just let me think! Yes, Yes, that's it you are right every damn kid in the world is geting raped, when being indoctrinated in irrational religious institutions by force, damn sorry, you are right......

But... most theists I know of, especially of the Christian variety, do seem to have the mistaken idea that if only the world were run under their own particular brand of religion then the world would exist in peace

Thats one of the reasons we call them delusional! ;)

And... also some atheists do place differences over religion at the root of almost all wars that are fought on this planet, as if without the existence of religion, all or most wars would cease.

I do think you got that one wrong as well, just because one observes that most wars have religious overtones included with other issues, does not render the observer to assume that without "religious" influence there would have never been any wars!

They seem to think that if only we could wipe all religions off the face of the earth then there would be peace on earth.

Again, observed history has shown us that this is not the case, but if you so kindly make a claim, then the atheist credo is back it up with evidence. Can you back up the claim; That atheist believe if there were no religious influence in the world there be no wars? I've been an atheist for 23 years now, and I've never heard of an atheist claiming a utopia would have existed if there have never been any religious influence.

I do not have the answer to any of this, but I am looking for it. This particular forum excels at tearing people apart over differences in ideologies no matter what they are!


But if you stick around long enough, you will realize that there's no homogeneous idealogies around here either. ;) Even atheist debate amongs themselves certain ideas, scientific observances, political influences etc... The only commonality atheist have, is that we all don't believe in religious assertions. Most also reject any variant of mysticism, but not all.
Some believe in UFO's.

Is it possible for us all to come together, instead, and find solutions?


I think there is, however it be a long time in coming.

So, what direction do you recommend for the world? And how will you fix mankind, Godless?

If only! LOL...I could become the benevolent dictator...LOL A Disc Jock's joke on a radio station in Houston Tx.

Historically, every human being that sought world peace in a grand scale has been killed.
If he existed; Jesus got crusified, for preaching love and peace amongs all humans, Malcom X got shot for trying to bring peace to Islam, Marthin Luther King, got shot for having a dream that all would live in peace, JFK got shot in the head for trying to bring world peace, "so do think some people" and so on, every one that has tried to bring peace to the world in a grand scale, has been shot, crusified, or poisoned..

There's no quick fix to manking's initiative to comit violence, however there could be worl peace amongs nations. Only if every nation had a rational leader. Fat Chance... LOL...

Thats one of the reasons we call them delusional! ;)


So, how will you fix this world, Godless? I missed that part.

Christians know and say (unless they propone dominion theology) that world peace will not come until Jesus rules from Jerusalem.

Christians know and say (unless they propone dominion theology) that world peace will not come until Jesus rules from Jerusalem.


Then what do you recommend in the meantime? War? What is your answer for the NOW?

*So, how will you fix this world, Godless? I missed that part.*

I just edited, read again.

Now, come on everyone, it's easy, just "Visualize Whirled Peas", Right? Well, on second thought, maybe it is a little more complicated than that!

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

I think you did you choose the right name for the forum! As you apparently show that you are a bit SLOW!!

Not every damn kid in the world is being raped!! Wait, Just one second! Just let me think! Yes, Yes, that's it you are right every damn kid in the world is geting raped, when being indoctrinated in irrational religious institutions by force, damn sorry, you are right......

I'm SLOW in English, I know.
It look's like life treat's you right. Usually people who didn't suffer or experienced bad things speaks about good. Do you tip homeless people? If you not, than you need education on emotional level.


Channel 4 News uncovers the modern day slave trade taking place across Eastern Europe. Our correspondent talks to the women in Romania who were literally sold into slavery.
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/02/week_2/11_slavery.html

1. Infiltrating Europe's trade in human beings
MSNBC.com infiltrated a dangerous gang of human traffickers that sells unsuspecting young women from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union into sexual slavery. From Macedonia, Preston Mendenhall reports.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3042166/

Some 12.3 million people are enslaved worldwide, according to a major report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4534393.stm

Study finds Israel''s Migrant Workers endure "A Contemporary Form of Slavery".(Islam and the Mideast in theFar East)
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2750&item_id=0199-1173380

By the way only god could save this world not a man.

Historically, every human being that sought world peace in a grand scale has been killed.
If he existed; Jesus got crusified, for preaching love and peace amongs all humans, Malcom X got shot for trying to bring peace to Islam, Marthin Luther King, got shot for having a dream that all would live in peace, JFK got shot in the head for trying to bring world peace, "so do think some people" and so on, every one that has tried to bring peace to the world in a grand scale, has been shot, crusified, or poisoned..

Perhaps this has been caused, more recently, by the Christian belief that a powerful world leader will eventually come forward and attempt to bring peace to the world, but he will be evil and actually be the antichrist. We can't have peace without God so he must be the antichrist, and must be killed!

Who knows? Just a wacko theory of mine.

But thank you! I will watch my back!

By the way only god could save this world not a man.

But didn't He make it this way?

What about humanism? If every person in the world were a humanist? Would that end world wars? Is their any hope there at all? Would that improve the world?

What do you all think?

But didn't He make it this way?

He did, but not everything. I believe that free will weak's up greediness. Everything follows from that. Why would you have if I could. People in this planet will do everything for comfort and easy life.

What about humanism? If every person in the world were a humanist? Would that end world wars? Is their any hope there at all? Would that improve the world?

What do you all think?



It would,
Do you think rich people will share?

If everybody converted to corpsism, then there'd be peace on Earth.
Eternal peace.
Well. Except for all the nasty killing and biting and struggling in the animal kingdom...
So, they'd have to be converted to corpses too.
Then there'd be peace on Earth.
Until the plants start moving around fighting one another.
So, better kill them too.

Better just sterilize the whole universe just to be safe.
The, peace at last.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one


Anyone want to take a crack at why this won't work, or will it?

I've always wondered about this song!

I'm SLOW in English, I know.

No, your slow at critical thinking.

It look's like life treat's you right. Usually people who didn't suffer or experienced bad things speaks about good. Do you tip homeless people?

Been there done that! I don't tip homeless people, they are mostly drunks, drug addicts, or plain lazy. I've been homeless before I was a drug addict, so I know from experience what I'm talking about. ;)

So is the over all population of the world homeless? Remember there are apx 6 billion people in the world, to determine that mostly all humans suffer, are homeless or have a shitty lifes, or commit crimes, or we are generally bad, would have to be a majority of the world population living under these circumstances. To postulate that Baron's statement is accurate "That's true. But the actual, tiny bit of "good" in the world is consistently overwhelmed by the "bad". "
It would mean that most of the world citizens are living under these conditions, so since apparently that does not seem to be the case, his statement, and your query to postulate that is factual, are illogical. By mere observation.

Those numbers shown of these situation that you brought about, have to take in account the 6 billion citizens of the world. hence 12 million people is barely scratching the surface of the world's population. don't get me wrong, I Know lots of people suffer, and have shitty lives, but it's not "overwhelmingly" bad as Baron's claims them to be, that would mean that over 2billion people are living under these conditions, that does not seem to be the case now does it?

Godless

I' we been homeless to and it was not my fault to be there. I believe many of them are victims of greed or bad luck.

There's no quick fix to manking's initiative to comit violence, however there could be worl peace amongs nations. Only if every nation had a rational leader. Fat Chance... LOL...

Are there any good long-term solutions then?

Is there any good path to begin the journey on? Is there anything that we can do today that will make the world better in the future? Or is it all just hopeless?

If the Muslim nations would stop hassling Israel, and if Islamists would stop trying to take over the world by force, and if religious freedom were granted all over the world, then things would get better.

Is there any good path to begin the journey on? Is there anything that we can do today that will make the world better in the future? Or is it all just hopeless?

It all depends in what you consider to be an ideal world? Which philosophy will we follow?, which religious nonsense will be tolerated? how much power if any will governments allow religious influences?

I think if you take a critical look at the past, and how the world functions today, we are way better off, then in the middle ages, or the dark ages, are we not? So basically we will come to a choices as a human species some day! Will we self destruct for differences in religious idealogies, or make compromises? Will we rather work together and solve the world's energy crisis, or shall we just inaliate weaker nations? Will reason ever prevail above superstition and greed?

The tools to achieve world peace are in place. Our reason need to be coherent in one ideology, the survival of the human species, untill then, it will just be one superior clan over the other!

So, Godless, you're into not tolerating "religious nonsense?" That's what the Soviet Union was all about, why don't you move to China, they don't tolerate much "religious nonsense," like you, so maybe you can become the head of the Committee to Expunge Relgious Nonsense, and by the way, please define "religious nonsense."

Which philosophy will we follow?, which religious nonsense will be tolerated? how much power if any will governments allow religious influences?

That is the very heart of this thread? Which philosophy should be followed?

Which philosophy should eventually be adopted by the entire world so that we can all live in peace?

That is the very heart of this thread? Which philosophy should be followed?

Which philosophy should eventually be adopted by the entire world so that we can all live in peace?


10 Commandments!

I am the Lord your God
You shall have no other gods before Me
You shall not make for yourself an idol
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your father and your mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet your neighbor's house...


Something like this, with new prospective and understandings.

The correct translation is thou shalt not murder.

In my fate, I will go with eye for an eye. Well I will have a court to decide.

The correct translation is thou shalt not murder.

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M*W: The correct translation of "thou" is "you." The time frame of when each of these pronouns were used is the ONLY difference. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in meaning!

M*W:
I'm sure you are a believer but you don't even know.

10 Commandments!

I am the Lord your God
You shall have no other gods before Me
You shall not make for yourself an idol
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your father and your mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet your neighbor's house...


Something like this, with new prospective and understandings.

Turtle, you do realize that the penalty for just picking up sticks, on the Sabbath was death, don't you? Are you sure you want to unleash this on the world all over again?

Med Woman, if you don't know the difference between murdering someone and killing someone because he/she is trying to murder you, then I don't know what to tell you.

M*W:
I'm sure you are a believer but you don't even know.

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M*W: No, I am not a believer, but please explain what it is that I "don't even know."

Med Woman, if you don't know the difference between murdering someone and killing someone because he/she is trying to murder you, then I don't know what to tell you.

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M*W: I understand the difference between cold blooded murder and self-defense. Exactly what does this have to do with anything?

So it's thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill, thank you.

So it's thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill, thank you.

This clarification is necessary M*W because, as I have said, it is perfectly fine to kill anyone for picking up sticks on the Sabbath! Now that we have that cleared up?

So it's thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill, thank you.

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M*W: It's semantics. There is no difference. Dead is still dead, regardless of what you call it.

You just admitted that self defense if different, checkmate.

This clarification is necessary M*W because, as I have said, it is perfectly fine to kill anyone for picking up sticks on the Sabbath! Now that we have that cleared up?

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M*W: Sure, as the story goes, it's fine if you just happen to be the jealous creator god, but if you're the asshole who threw down the sticks in the first place, you're a pre-meditated assassin-for-hire.

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M*W: Sure, as the story goes, it's fine if you just happen to be the jealous creator god, but if you're the asshole who threw down the sticks in the first place, you're a pre-meditated assassin-for-hire.

Interesting Point!

You just admitted that self defense if different, checkmate.

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M*W: There is no difference in the WORDING not the event.

Turtle, you do realize that the penalty for just picking up sticks, on the Sabbath was death, don't you? Are you sure you want to unleash this on the world all over again?

Yes, but not exactly. I believe that a world leader should be only one. If he will say; today we don't work, we would not. Peace could be established only thru one thinking not two. To many countries to many differences. One man one thinking. Peace! Jesus or whoever he will be.

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M*W: No, I am not a believer, but please explain what it is that I "don't even know."


That you are a believer! God is a puppet show man and you are a part of that.
He doesn't won't you to see.

That you are a believer! God is a puppet show man and you are a part of that. He doesn't won't you to see.

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M*W: No, I am NOT a believer. There is NO god, so there is NOTHING this non-existent god would want from any human. What you are saying is just a figment of your own imagination. It is NOT based in reality.

Medicine Woman, were you always an athiest?Its just a name like yours screams supernatural to me.:)

Medicine Woman, were you always an athiest?Its just a name like yours screams supernatural to me.:)

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M*W: I've only been an atheist since I joined sciforums (6 years ago). I credit sciforums with my de-programming and re-education.

I chose my username because I am a female medical professional. There's nothing supernatural about it (except it does have medical and spiritual connotations for certain Native Americans).

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M*W: I've only been an atheist since I joined sciforums (6 years ago). I credit sciforums with my de-programming and re-education.Cool! Its good to know some people can be re-educated to think for themselves, but then I would say that as a life-long disbeliever in crap.
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I chose my username because I am a female medical professional. .That would have been my second guess.:)
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There's nothing supernatural about it (except it does have medical and spiritual connotations for certain Native Americans).

Yeah, also are witch doctors of africa called 'medicine men'?

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M*W: I've only been an atheist since I joined sciforums (6 years ago). I credit sciforums with my de-programming and re-education.

I chose my username because I am a female medical professional. There's nothing supernatural about it (except it does have medical and spiritual connotations for certain Native Americans).

Oh my nonexistent deities!

It's Jane Seymour.

http://us.imdb.com/rg/name-headshot/top_center/http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5307/Events/5307/JonathanSi_Sapp_11147283_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Seymour,%20Jane%20(I)

Tricky, that was.

;)

I always knew it was Jane.

So, Godless, you're into not tolerating "religious nonsense?" That's what the Soviet Union was all about, why don't you move to China, they don't tolerate much "religious nonsense," like you, so maybe you can become the head of the Committee to Expunge Relgious Nonsense, and by the way, please define "religious nonsense."

Here's a tip: Go get an education! :rolleyes:

Wait! Just read this from Geeser from another thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1267931#post1267931

You read this, you'll get educated! Promise! ;)

Godless, you didn't define "religious nonsense."

Religous nonsense- Words or text composed by followers of religion, spread with no regard for evidential verification or rationality.

So that's all the major religions, except Christianity.

No.

If the entire world were converted to Islam would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Christianity would there really be peace on earth, goodwill towards men?

If the entire world were converted to Buddhism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to "Your Religion or Philosophy Here" would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to Atheism would there be peace on earth?

If the entire world were converted to just one Religion or Philosophy, which one would be the best one? Which one would bring peace and harmony to all of the peoples of the earth? Which would bring about the end of war?

Let the battle begin... He He...

Answer to all questions: No

Anyone who thinks human beings can achieve peace on earth in their current configuration and seeks to achieve it, will be one disappointed and depressed pumpkin by the time they reach old age.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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M*W: No, I am NOT a believer. There is NO god, so there is NOTHING this non-existent god would want from any human. What you are saying is just a figment of your own imagination. It is NOT based in reality.

Is big bang proven, is there any possibilities that he is a creator of our perfect solar system? No! Throw a fist of m&m's on the floor and wait for a miracle. Maybe they will start rotating, just like our solar system.
Is reality a big bang, or something supernatural?

Reality! But what does this word mean? Each has his own reality. I draw upon my personal reality upon the dark side of myself, my unconscious. ~ Fredrico Fellini

In what way is the solar system "perfect"?

Answer to all questions: No

Anyone who thinks human beings can achieve peace on earth in their current configuration and seeks to achieve it, will be one disappointed and depressed pumpkin by the time they reach old age.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days


So, we should not even try? Give up! Is that the answer?

I do not think that Peter would have agreed with you. But to each his own!

1 Peter 3:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 For “ He who would love life
And see good days,
Let him refrain his tongue from evil,
And his lips from speaking deceit.
11 Let him turn away from evil and do good;
Let him seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their prayers;
But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil.”

Nice to talk with you again!

Here is another one, Adstar!

Hebrews 12:14 (New King James Version)
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

There are more!

And of course...

Matthew 5:9 (New King James Version)
9 Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

It's hard to deal with Muslims when they are instructed to not befriend "infidels."

It's hard to deal with Muslims when they are instructed to not befriend "infidels."

So has every other religious sect. :rolleyes:

Only secularists can be friendly to all theological sects, as long as our lives are not threaten by our disbelief. ;)

It's hard to deal with Muslims when they are instructed to not befriend "infidels."

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M*W: I don't know what part of the USA you are in (if, in fact, you are in the USA), but I've never had a problem being friends with Muslims, when they have known full well that I am an 'infidel.' They never called me an 'infidel,' nor has any Muslim I know implied that I am an 'infidel.'

I've worked with many Muslims (in academic medicine), and have been fortunate to become close to them. We've had many discussions about religion. Any question I have had about Islam, they answered me with respect and concern. Any question they had for me about christianity, I responded the same to them. I made it known, however, that I am not a christian.

I don't understand where other people have such a hard time getting to know Muslims. The Muslims I know are not terrorists. In fact, after 9/11, some of the Muslims I worked with came to me and apologized for what the terrorists did. They wanted to make sure that I didn't lump them with the terrorists! Of course, I didn't. Even in my city, Houston, TX, Muslims were proactive in speaking out about 9/11. They wanted to show the people of our city that they didn't approve of what the terrorists did, and more, that they had no association with the terrorists. We definitely don't have a problem with the Muslims in our area. They are peaceful people. They stay in areas settled by Muslims, although that's not what the people of my city expect.

As far as professionalism among Muslims, I have always been impressed with the compassion Muslim physicians have for their patients (even non-Muslims). They take their professions more seriously than some of their non-Muslim counterparts. They savor their education. They are not arrogant people. They are generous to a fault, and they have a lot to offer this country. I don't fear them, because I have no reason to, and I can respect their passion for their faith. They don't try to cram it down anyone's throat, unlike christians. If I were in a position to choose a Muslim over a christian, I'm sure you'd know who I would choose.

Christians are instructed to be friendly to unbelievers, how else can they be drawn in? But as Islam says don't befriend "the infidel," their methods to "evangelize" are obviously different than befriending those who you are supposedly concerned about, apples and oranges.

I think that stereotypical views of Islam is created by our media, they need for us to hate these people so Americans can still want to support this freaking war, however the propaganda has been able to manipulate people's views of Muslims, and any variant. To the point where a person requested out of an airplane, just because there were some Muslims on the same flight. This is truly ridiculous and it truly shows how bigoted Americans can be.

BTW M*W When I lived in Houston, my mom's doctor was an Iraqi Muslim. Damn good doctor saved mom's life perhaps you heard of him Mahdi Al-Bassam? he was mom's doc for the two years I lived there.

So has every other religious sect. :rolleyes:

Only secularists can be friendly to all theological sects, as long as our lives are not threaten by our disbelief. ;)

Only a secularist?
Religious people cannot be friendly to all theological sects? It seems that this is less associated with a label then to their personality, which you seem to generalize based on religious persuasion.

Religious people cannot be friendly to all theological sects? It seems that this is less associated with a label then to their personality, which you seem to generalize based on religious persuasion.

No! actually my view is associated with their relgious texts. Now mind you I'm only talking of the general more popular religious texts here, such as Buybull and the Quackran!

The fact remains that Islam discourages friendships with "infidels," and encourages family members to kill any who leave Islam.

The fact remains that Islam discourages friendships with "infidels," and encourages family members to kill any who leave Islam.

Only radical sects do this aswell as marrying prepubecent children. The majority of Islam is tolerant of differences in belief.

Only radical sects do this aswell as marrying prepubecent children. The majority of Islam is tolerant of differences in belief.

Imaplanck, this is simply not so.

Leaving islam (apostacy) is a felony in every single islamic nation in the world. The penalties for apostacy in aforesaid nations ranges from fines, to imprisonment to death (as illustrated in the recent Pakistani case). Similarly, "insulting" islam is also illegal throughout, with fines again ranging from penalties to imprisonment - and I think even death in several places. Pakistan would again be one. Saudi Arabia another, Iran of course. There are certainly others: Afghanistan and several African nations spring to mind also.

Nor is islam particularly tolerant of other brands of itself. Sufis are commonly termed "kufr". Shia and Sunnis still depise each other. (Wahhabis, of course, despise everyone.) Individuals react as individuals. Islamic society? As the mob.

MW: Whatever your experiences here, they are not those of non-muslims living in islamic nations. Those poor souls are second class citizens from birth, barring their conversion to islam. However nice individual muslims may be, political islam is a nightmare for non-muslims; there are, moreover, no examples of any islamic nation treating non-muslims with any equality, save perhaps Saddam's Iraq.

O.K... Looking at this problem from another perspective...

If earth were to attempt to colonize another planet in the near future, because this old earth was doomed to certain destruction, and we wanted to create a peaceful New World, somewhere else in the Universe, how would we possibly achieve this? Suppose that you and you alone were given the responsibility to choose who would go and who would stay. Who among all of the peoples of the earth would you choose to send? What people under what philosophy, government, or religion has the greatest chance of actually achieving a peaceful New World?

Anybody read any good sci-fi lately?

What are the individual human attributes that you would be looking for in those that you would choose? Perhaps that is a place to start, at least?

Should you even be allowed on the departing ship, yourself?

And... what is your favorite color, and why?


(O.K... Umm... strike that last one!)

IceAgeCivilizations: The fact remains that Islam discourages friendships with "infidels," and encourages family members to kill any who leave Islam.

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M*W: Well, I didn't experience this with the Muslims I knew. They were very open-minded, intelligent people.

Godless: I don't know your mother's physician, but my personal cardiologist is Muslim. I have the best care one could imagine.

Hey Med Woman, you say the accounts about Jesus are myth, how 'bout the accounts about Muhammed, are they myth too?

Imaplanck, this is simply not so.

Leaving islam (apostacy) is a felony in every single islamic nation in the world. The penalties for apostacy in aforesaid nations ranges from fines, to imprisonment to death (as illustrated in the recent Pakistani case). Similarly, "insulting" islam is also illegal throughout, with fines again ranging from penalties to imprisonment - and I think even death in several places. Pakistan would again be one. Saudi Arabia another, Iran of course. There are certainly others: Afghanistan and several African nations spring to mind also.

Nor is islam particularly tolerant of other brands of itself. Sufis are commonly termed "kufr". Shia and Sunnis still depise each other. (Wahhabis, of course, despise everyone.) Individuals react as individuals. Islamic society? As the mob.
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You see, you are roping all muslims in together. Not all muslims interpret the Qur'an in the same way, or indeed completely literally(the permission to marry children as Mahamed did, for example). Can you produce evidence that more than 50% of muslims are actively intolerent towards other factions?

Those governments say it's Islamic law, you know from Islam, that's the religion of the Muslims.

IAC: Hey Med Woman, you say the accounts about Jesus are myth, how 'bout the accounts about Muhammed, are they myth too?

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M*W: All man-made religions are myth including the most ancient religion of all -- sun worship.

So Med Woman, are you a pantheist/animist?

IAC: So Med Woman, are you a pantheist/animist?

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M*W: Do you speak and understand English? I believe I've made it very clear that I am an atheist. Is there any part of this that you don't understand?

Do you believe in reincarnation?

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M*W: All man-made religions are myth including the most ancient religion of all -- sun worship.

Hey: Sol Invictus. :bugeye: Can't beat that. It's unbeatable. It says so.

IAC: Do you believe in reincarnation?

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M*W: No. Why are you asking me about new age crap?

So you have the faith that there is no creator God, how can you be so sure?

IAC: So you have the faith that there is no creator God, how can you be so sure?

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M*W: It is NOT a matter of faith but one of reason. For there to exist a creative higher power, that is illogical. It makes no sense at all. The premise is disputable and deniable. The burden of proof of a creator god is on the one who believes, not on the ones who don't. I am sure no god exists, and therefore, I cannot believe in one. However, you have the right to believe as you wish, and I would support your right to be able to do so, even though I know you have been mislead.

Because I can't "prove" that God exists, that means He can't exist? I don't see any logic there.

IAC: Because I can't "prove" that God exists, that means He can't exist? I don't see any logic there.

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M*W: You continue to read your own thoughts into my words. You can't prove a god exists, but you believe he exists on FAITH. That is your perogative.

I can't prove a negative that god doesn't exist, and I base that on LOGIC and REASON. That is my perogative.

Because you believe a god exists, you credit that god with everything you can and cannot explain.

Because I don't believe a god exists, I credit no god for anything I can or cannot explain.

The reason you misunderstand so much on this forum is that you must have a reading comprehension deficit. You really need to work on that for your own sake.

No, you said that because it can't be "proven" that God exists is why you are an atheist, logic dictates that since you don't want to step out with God, you should be an agnostic, to go atheist with your logic is inane at best.

So, we should not even try? Give up! Is that the answer?

I do not think that Peter would have agreed with you. But to each his own!

1 Peter 3:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 For “ He who would love life
And see good days,
Let him refrain his tongue from evil,
And his lips from speaking deceit.
11 Let him turn away from evil and do good;
Let him seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their prayers;
But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil.”

Nice to talk with you again!

Did i say we where not even to try to be at peace with each other?

No i did not.

Of course we are to do our best to live peaceably and seek peace with all men. But endeavouring to seek peace is not the same as believing we can achieve peace.

It is the belief that peace can be achieved that is the vain belief, not the belief in endeavouring to seek to live peaceably with all men. Can’t you see the point i am making?

I believe in damage limitation, not damage elimination. One belief is worthy, the other is fantasy.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Here is another one, Adstar!

Hebrews 12:14 (New King James Version)
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

There are more!

Yes beautiful scriptures there :) I agree. Pursue is a different word to Achieve.

We are also to pursue holiness but we all know only too well that we will never achieve holiness in this current human configuration. Pursuing holiness is all about evil limitation and loving maximization. Not about achieving evil elimination and loving perfection.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

IAC: No, you said that because it can't be "proven" that God exists is why you are an atheist, logic dictates that since you don't want to step out with God, you should be an agnostic, to go atheist with your logic is inane at best.

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M*W: You don't know what you are talking about. You do not know what is in my mind. I am not agnostic. I am atheist. Why would anyone believe in something that cannot be proven? That's inane.

You can't prove He doesn't exist, so agnosticism would be the only logical recourse, short of going with Him.

Here is another one, Adstar!

Hebrews 12:14 (New King James Version)
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

There are more!


What about this one:

Matthew 10:34
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."
- Jesus

New King James Version

The context of the scripture is very important and knowing what happened soon after the death and resurrection of Jesus is also important:

Matthew 10
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’[e] 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus a percentage (and i do not know what the percentage was, it is not important) of Jews came to believe in Jesus as their Messiah, They where the first Christians. What the word of Jesus had done was bring about a division within the Jewish community this division often ran within families. A mother believing and a daughter disbelieving a son believing and a father disbelieving. The power and worldly authority still rested with those who rejected Jesus as Messiah. So they started a pogrom against the first Christians. Many of the first Christians where betrayed by their own family members to that authority. So the sword that Jesus is talking about it both figurative and literal. They where divided from their families as if a sword had cut them apart and they faced the sword/death for their belief in Jesus. But of course Jesus did not call upon His follower to take up the literal sword against the worldly authorities. Our sword is the Word of God not carnal weapons.

This is not just a historical thing. I know what it is like to be divided from my earthly family by the figurative sword of the Word of God, Many in my family do not believe as i do. Maybe in the future when persecution comes they will betray me also? They follow another authority. So the words of Matthew 10 are still as relevant for me today as they where then.

Another point. Jesus will bring a real sword to bear when He returns to earth at His second coming. He himself will avenge the blood of the saints. At least 200 million solders of the anti-christ will die on the day of His return at the battle of Armageddon. So yes Jesus will not return the same way He came the first time.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

IAC: You can't prove He doesn't exist, so agnosticism would be the only logical recourse, short of going with Him.

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M*W: I couldn't care less if Jesus' existence could be proven or disproven. Even if he existed (and it could be proven), I still wouldn't believe he was anybody special.

You are defining "agnosticism" wrongly. If I were "agnostic," I would be unsure if a god existed. I've gone way beyond that.

Obviously, it threatens you to know there are atheists out there. That's why you persist in making me out to be agnostic. Sorry, it just won't work with me. I'm atheist, and that will never change.

I'm afraid you've lost touch with reality. You need help.

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