The Atheist Republic has been created!!
we are an independent society of people who are opposed to the torment, corruption and lies of organised religion. Why not become a citizen and meet some like minded people?

www.atheist-republic.com

Sorry, I do not accept others religious beliefs and therefore cannot join your republic.

Theres so much wrong in just the opening statement on the site that it boggles the mind.

I wonder what the flag (symbol?) represents. I think it is an acknowledgement that atheists are not to be trusted with sharp, pointy objects. I know I'm not! :D

http://www.atheist-republic.com/atheist%20flag.bmp

:bugeye: Duude... Why?

That website looks like it was made with MS Word

The Atheist Republic has been created!!
we are an independent society of people who are opposed to the torment, corruption and lies of organised religion. Why not become a citizen and meet some like minded people?

www.atheist-republic.com
DUDE, we don't need society becoming more fragmented and divided than it already is.

Whats the symbol about? Its like a colourblind person tried to draw a sign for no roads that disappear over the horizon.

Yeah! That's a good one.

The Atheist Republic has been created!!
we are an independent society of people who are opposed to the torment, corruption and lies of organised religion. Why not become a citizen and meet some like minded people?

www.atheist-republic.com

Hell's been around a while.

That website looks like it was made with MS Word

Word 95 to be precise, and the graphics were done on MS Paint...

DUDE, we don't need society becoming more fragmented and divided than it already is.

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M*W: DUDE, religion is responsible for dividing and fragmenting society. Atheism plays no role in the division of society -- religious or not. Atheism strives to find answers and will never tell you to believe blindly on faith alone. Atheism will never tell you "the proof is in the pudding." Atheism is the common denominator of all religious thought. When you've checked out all other theologies that leave you with questions and doubt, each and every one of them can be traced back as far as you want to go, and there you will find the truth in atheism.

Atheism doesn't fragment society. It brings together people of like mind for intellectual discussions. We are not criminals. Generally, atheists are law abiding citizens with honorable ethics and morals. We don't try to convert the religious. They usually avoid us at all costs.

Atheists are honest people. We don't make up fairy tales to tell our children. We tell them the truth. They are better human beings because of it.

We follow the rule "Don't ask, don't tell." Don't ask us what we believe about religion, and we won't tell you. But if you do have questions, we accept them kindly, and we make every effort to explain them to you without bias or judgment.

I am an Atheist, but I am not a spokesperson for atheism.

Hell's been around a while.

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M*W: Hell is for christians -- not atheists.

Hell is a state of mind.
The design of that website sucks.
And "theres so much wrong in just the opening statement on the site that it boggles the mind." (by superluminal)

Atheism narrows your being.

Atheism narrows your being.
How so, please?

Word 95 to be precise, and the graphics were done on MS Paint...

Yeh sorry about that. I created it in around 5 minutes.

I will improve it when i have got the chatroom online

The flag could probably also do with changing

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M*W: DUDE, religion is responsible for dividing and fragmenting society. Atheism plays no role in the division of society -- religious or not.
Exactly. However, emphasizing atheism above other possible points of unity is just as ridiculous as trying to use religion as a point of unity.
There are simply too many opinions and viewpoints on the matter of "what makes someone an atheist" or "what religion is right or wrong" or "am I good according to so-and-so faith", which fragment mankind along those lines.
Which is why, in the modern era, those lines should be forgotten and kept to oneself, accepted as mere opinion and choice, and pushed to the side of more pressing issues. Humanity should unite under the common banner of species. Too long has our great species been fragmented, divided, separated, and disgruntled along trivial lines of race, religion, philosophy, and ancestry. We have lost sight of what really makes us special: our superior mind, our capability to adapt, and above all, our civilization.
We are One Species. One Mankind.
Menschheit, Vorwärts!

Whats the symbol about? Its like a colourblind person tried to draw a sign for no roads that disappear over the horizon.

The flag symbolises the atheists penetrating the barrier set up by religion. The empty space symbolises the potential knowledge of science that only an atheist can reach

Sorry, I do not accept others religious beliefs and therefore cannot join your republic.

In Britain we have laws against "incitement to religious hatred" I don't want to be thrown in jail.

Tolerance is up to the individual

I think that medicine woman is right that religion fragments the world in much more ways than anything else. Also everytime we have let religion be involved in society, society gets fucked, Middle ages people.

Atheism narrows your being.

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M*W: No, religion narrows your being.

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M*W: DUDE, religion is responsible for dividing and fragmenting society.
PEOPLE are responsible for the division in society. They have a tendency to 'gang up' with others that share some common characteristic, be it race, income, sex, religion (or lack thereof), profession, or favourite football team.
Atheism plays no role in the division of society -- religious or not. Atheism strives to find answers and will never tell you to believe blindly on faith alone. Atheism will never tell you "the proof is in the pudding." Atheism is the common denominator of all religious thought. When you've checked out all other theologies that leave you with questions and doubt, each and every one of them can be traced back as far as you want to go, and there you will find the truth in atheism.
Basically, atheists have their own way of doing things. I'm an atheist myself, so I don't need a lecture on the "atheist method" of analysis.
Atheism doesn't fragment society. It brings together people of like mind for intellectual discussions.
Sounds like fragmentation to me.
We are not criminals. Generally, atheists are law abiding citizens with honorable ethics and morals.
This is also true of most religious people I know.
We don't try to convert the religious.
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They usually avoid us at all costs.
You sure you aren't avoiding them?
Atheists are honest people.
Assuming a person to be honest solely because you've identified them as an atheist is called "prejudice." You want to be careful making claims of the form "Atheists are [whatever]" as if this were true of every atheist on the planet.
We don't make up fairy tales to tell our children. We tell them the truth.
All parents tell their children what they perceive to be the truth. Narrow minded atheists will tell their children that God does not exist. More open minded atheists will tell their children that there is ultimately no evidence either way.
They are better human beings because of it.
Meaning they're more like you. Don't claim you have an unbiased opinion of what constitutes a "better" person.
We follow the rule "Don't ask, don't tell." Don't ask us what we believe about religion, and we won't tell you. But if you do have questions, we accept them kindly, and we make every effort to explain them to you without bias or judgment.
That website was hardly "don't ask, don't tell."
I am an Atheist, but I am not a spokesperson for atheism.
How could one person possibly speak for all atheists?

The athesit republic is a religious cult. I think all flaming atheits should confine themselves to it.

I think that medicine woman is right that religion fragments the world in much more ways than anything else. Also everytime we have let religion be involved in society, society gets fucked, Middle ages people.
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M*W: No, religion narrows your being.
I wouldn't blame narrow mindedness or other human faults on religion itself, but rather the reverse. Note that for some religious people its the "love thy neighbour" part of religion they take the most seriously, not the endless debate on whether or not God exists. I have a lot of respect for such people.

Medicine Woman: You sound a little anti-religious. Do you feel oppressed by religion or something? Not every religious person is narrow-minded, and I seriously doubt the majority of atheists are particularly open minded.

The athesit republic is a religious cult. I think all flaming atheits should confine themselves to it.

The Atheist Republic one place on earth where atheists can live without religion.

We are not confining ourselves to it

Without religion good people would still do good things and bad people would still do bad things. It takes religion to make good people do bad things.
-Richard Dawkins


“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” - Seneca

I agree with both quotes, that is why i have made a religion free zone.

The Atheist Republic one place on earth where atheists can live without religion.

We are not confining ourselves to it
Well you very well should. And you're not living without a rleigion. Atheism is a religion. May your fanatical congregation enjoy great prosperity. : )

I think we have found an atheist fundamentalist here.

atheism is not a religion but more of a cult, if it was a religion then it would be against the very reason that it was made

Yes it is a cult, and not really a religion.
I tend to refer to it as a religion because of its religious cult nature.

Technically, there are 2 types of atheists.
The cult type, and the genuine type.
Most atheists, such as many around here fall under the cult type.

Agreed. 'Cult type' atheists can be too quick to look down on religious people, considering them inferior. I suspect most atheists are no more open minded than the average citizen: they'll say that God does not exist and that faith is ridiculous because that's what they've been brought up to believe. Whether they're right or wrong is not the issue here.

Theists aren't inferior, they're just people who prefer fantasy over reality.

Theists aren't inferior, they're just people who prefer fantasy over reality.
Wrong. That's atheists prefer fantasy over reality.

The athesit republic is a religious cult. I think all flaming atheits should confine themselves to it.

Ahhhhhh! My shorts! They're on FIRE! Ahhhhhh!!! (I'm a flaming atheist. Get it? Flaming?! Huh? :D No? :( Well, poo on all of you then. :mad: )

Wrong. That's atheists prefer fantasy over reality.

Please, if you would, kind theist, demonstrate for us how atheism is more of a fantasy than theism? Should be fun, right?

Wrong. That's atheists prefer fantasy over reality.

Oh yes, how utterly silly of me to get it backwards.

I'll immediately get down on my knees and pray to an all-powerful, all-knowing scientist not to cast me into bunsenfire where goblins and ghouls forever will feast on my netheregions.

In Britain we have laws against "incitement to religious hatred" I don't want to be thrown in jail.
HA HA! Where I live, I can make fun of religious people all I want. See, it's better not to live in a semitheocracy (HM still claims the title "defender of the faith" does she not?). :D

This is directed at those who think Atheism is a religion or a cult.

The definition of "religion":
1.   a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
      b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a supernatural power. Thus the a- prefix, which means "without" or "lacking". Nor is Atheism a system grounded in belief and worship. Nor is Atheism a set of anything based on the teachings of a spiritual anyone.

The definition of "cult":
1.   a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
      b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
Atheism is not a religion. And its "followers" do not live in any manner under the guidance of any leader.

Ahhhhhh! My shorts! They're on FIRE! Ahhhhhh!!! (I'm a flaming atheist. Get it? Flaming?! Huh? :D No? :( Well, poo on all of you then. :mad: )
Yes. Flaming. Otherwise, you would not have went on such a rant.


Oh yes, how utterly silly of me to get it backwards.

I'll immediately get down on my knees and pray to an all-powerful, all-knowing scientist not to cast me into bunsenfire where goblins and ghouls forever will feast on my netheregions.
Good luck with that.


This is directed at those who think Atheism is a religion or a cult.

The definition of "religion":

Atheism is the lack of belief in a supernatural power. Thus the a- prefix, which means "without" or "lacking". Nor is Atheism a system grounded in belief and worship. Nor is Atheism a set of anything based on the teachings of a spiritual anyone.

The definition of "cult":

Atheism is not a religion. And its "followers" do not live in any manner under the guidance of any leader.
This debate has been over and done with. Why bring it up again, and where do you plan to go with it?
Athesim is a releigion just like thesim. Atheism is one of the biggest cults ever.

Athesim is a releigion just like thesim. Atheism is one of the biggest cults ever.Wow - that told us!
That must surely settle the debate forever!!

Your claim: Atheism is a religion just like theism.

Your evidence to support this claim: ??????




Your claim: Atheism is one of the biggest cults ever.

Your evidence to support this claim: ??????

I never said it settles the debate forever.
This forum is not a place for such a debate.
When we get into the debate about atheism being a religion here, people will start throwing personal attacks rather than foucs on the debate itself. What will happen next is that the idiot bias moderators of this forum will allow dozens of people to throw personal attacks at me, and then threaten to ban me when I throw personal attacks back.

This forum is not a forum for genuine intellectual discussion. There is no point for me to go through supporting my position becuase it will end up in a flame war that will get me attacked by the bias mods. Therefore, I simply state my conclusion, and let you figure the rest out for it yourself. If you really want to get more info, you can dig through this forum for the points that I have reiterated over and over and over and over again. I refuse to reiterate them anymore. If you really don't care, then you can move along.

I never said it settles the debate forever.
This forum is not a place for such a debate.
When we get into the debate about atheism being a religion here, people will start throwing personal attacks rather than foucs on the debate itself. What will happen next is that the idiot bias moderators of this forum will allow dozens of people to throw personal attacks at me, and then threaten to ban me when I throw personal attacks back.

This forum is not a forum for genuine intellectual discussion. There is no point for me to go through supporting my position becuase it will end up in a flame war that will get me attacked by the bias mods. Therefore, I simply state my conclusion, and let you figure the rest out for it yourself. If you really want to get more info, you can dig through this forum for the points that I have reiterated over and over and over and over again. I refuse to reiterate them anymore. If you really don't care, then you can move along.

Atheism is a religion, I agree.
Pseudo-scientists and Darwin daweenians are brainwashing a whole generation of students with government money,....
into this "monkey worship" cult...
Young minds influenced while the're vulnerable, still incapable of independent thought......set troding down the path of least resistaince, on thier happy way to corperate bliss, and spiritual enslavment.
Born into bondage....and spiritual death.
Jesus died to make you free, "the truth shall make you free" !!!
You have been pardoned.
"But you have to accept a pardon for it to be applied to you."
"Abraham Linclon" 1863

Atheism is a religion, I agree.
See even trolls can agree that atheism is a religion.

Atheism is a religion, I agree. Pseudo-scientists and Darwin daweenians are brainwashing a whole generation of students with government money,.... into this "monkey worship" cult... Young minds influenced while the're vulnerable, still incapable of independent thought...... set troding down the path of least resistaince, on thier happy way to corperate bliss, and spiritual enslavment. Born into bondage....and spiritual death. Jesus died to make you free, "the truth shall make you free" !!! You have been pardoned.
"But you have to accept a pardon for it to be applied to you."
"Abraham Linclon" 1863

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M*W: Quoting Abe, I see. Well, here's another one from his Acceptance speech for the Republican nomination for the Senate on June 17, 1858, where he quotes allegations by Christians saying Jesus had the ability to "cast out demons:

"Jesus could "cast out demons" only because he was an ally of demons."

For more of Abe's atheistic quotes, go here:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/lincoln.htm

This forum is not a forum for genuine intellectual discussion.

And you continue to show that time and again. Bravo!

See even trolls can agree that atheism is a religion.

That is strange. Usually, one fantasy does not agree with another. Kudos to both trolls!

And you continue to show that time and again. Bravo!



That is strange. Usually, one fantasy does not agree with another. Kudos to both trolls!
Yes one of them is including you.

why do people call atheism a religion when it is not

Copied from the 'constitution on the web site'

"New citizens are welcome but they can be banished at any time.

Citizens may be awarded honours for good deeds carried out. "

I GET IT! Athiesm is about doing what YOU say not what GOD says! yeh I GET IT!

You do the banishing instead of God, and you dish out the rewards not GOD for good deeds! Yehhhhhhhh

sounds bit like a 'cult' to me ;)

why do people call atheism a religion when it is not
The same reason people call a dog an animal?

Or, because the people that call atheism a "religion" are just stupid.

If you're stupid, respond to that assertion below.

Yes one of them is including you.

Your ability to articulate always ceases to amaze.

Atheism does not come under the definitions of religion and cult provided by Athelwulf. This does not mean there aren't atheists that group up or follow atheism almost religiously. The question is, would you feel a sense of defeat if God was shown conclusively to exist?

I would welcome the defeat, yet none is forthcoming, nor ever will.

Atheism does not come under the definitions of religion and cult provided by Athelwulf. This does not mean there aren't atheists that group up or follow atheism almost religiously.
Yes.
I like the idea of the atheist republic where atheists can go and practice their beliefs without imposing their ways on others.

What beliefs?

What is a person without morals? A-moral.

What is a person who is not typical? A-typical.

What is a person without theistic beliefs? A-theistic.

Get it? The A means "without" or "lacking". That's all. Calling atheism a religion once the word atheist has been explained to you is simply stupid, bone-headed ignorance.

This debate is silly.

There are theists obsessed with their belief in the existence of God.
There are atheists that are obsessed with their belief in the non-existence of God.
There are atheists that don't really know what to believe.
There are people that would rather go out and watch a nice movie than worry about it.

Give whatever names to these groups you want. It won't change anything.

Atheism is a religion, I agree.
Pseudo-scientists and Darwin daweenians are brainwashing a whole generation of students with government money,....
into this "monkey worship" cult...
Young minds influenced while the're vulnerable, still incapable of independent thought......set troding down the path of least resistaince, on thier happy way to corperate bliss, and spiritual enslavment.
Born into bondage....and spiritual death.
Jesus died to make you free, "the truth shall make you free" !!!
You have been pardoned.
"But you have to accept a pardon for it to be applied to you."
"Abraham Linclon" 1863

yeah, because you have lots of credibility.

Copied from the 'constitution on the web site'

"New citizens are welcome but they can be banished at any time.

Citizens may be awarded honours for good deeds carried out. "

I GET IT! Athiesm is about doing what YOU say not what GOD says! yeh I GET IT!

You do the banishing instead of God, and you dish out the rewards not GOD for good deeds! Yehhhhhhhh

sounds bit like a 'cult' to me ;)

actually that kind of sounds like a basic law, like any country would have, like any town or city would have. how is that cultish?

This debate is silly.
I could not agree more.

All that is left to do is remind everybody to be sure to fill in the "Religion" section of their application (http://www.atheist-republic.com/becomecitizen2.html).

I wouldn't call atheism a religion, but I do think it is a belief system. One can not prove that God exists, nor can one prove that God does not exist.

As such, theists believe in the existence of God...without proof.
Atheists believe in the non-existence of God...again, without proof.

As for myself, I am an agnostic. I have no proof either way. As such, I feel my only rational choice is to wait for proof of one or the other. Which I feel is not likely to happen.

I wouldn't call atheism a religion, but I do think it is a belief system. One can not prove that God exists, nor can one prove that God does not exist.

As such, theists believe in the existence of God...without proof.
Atheists believe in the non-existence of God...again, without proof.

As for myself, I am an agnostic. I have no proof either way. As such, I feel my only rational choice is to wait for proof of one or the other. Which I feel is not likely to happen.


i'm an atheist and i dont believe in anything. it just seems obvious that there is no god and so i continue on with my life. the existence of god is inconsequential to me. what bothers me is religion.

I wouldn't call atheism a religion, but I do think it is a belief system.
Everything is a belief system. I've heard this a billion times.

One can not prove that God exists, nor can one prove that God does not exist.
Yes, but the assertion is made that god exists. We look and see no god. Being asked to prove the opposite is just plain stupid. I can postulate an infinity of things. One of my favorite is the flying spaghetti monster. God is on the same footing, only much less likely given the thousands of years of questing with no results. We've only just begun seeking the FSM.

As such, theists believe in the existence of God...without proof.
Atheists believe in the non-existence of God...again, without proof.
No. Absolutely wrong. Atheists do not believe in anything. Saying that is the same as saying that I believe in the non-existence of the FSM. No. We simply don't postulate something for which we have no proof, no matter what it is or who suggests it.

As for myself, I am an agnostic. I have no proof either way. As such, I feel my only rational choice is to wait for proof of one or the other. Which I feel is not likely to happen.
That's nice. But why make a choice at all regarding a fantasy suggestion (as god is without evidence)? Just simply refuse to postulate something that is in no way suggested by any evidence. Just be an a-theist. It's easy.

actually that kind of sounds like a basic law, like any country would have, like any town or city would have. how is that cultish?


As far as I am aware atheism is simply a point of view which is 'do not believe in existance of a 'god'......... the end.

Atheism isn't a country or town or city, it is NOT a religion or political party, alliance etc so it really shouldn't have any laws should it?

When you start asking that people use this 'point of view' to form an alliance with others who share this point of view, start electing leaders, initiating rules, giving out prizes, you have something MORE than a point of view thats now being expressed.

You have yet another 'group' that wishes to separate itself and mark itself out as different to the rest of the population. Who else does this?...............ah yes the religious, the political, the cults.

Now as this is NOT a religion and it's NOT a political party, that only leaves CULT.

Of course this 'cult' only relates to Pi's intent to make it a 'group'. Without the group it is again, merely a point of view again.

This debate has been over and done with. Why bring it up again, and where do you plan to go with it?
Athesim is a releigion just like thesim. Atheism is one of the biggest cults ever.
I see you failed to read what I wrote.

sounds bit like a 'cult' to me ;)
I've provided the dictionary definition of the word "cult" earlier in the thread. Show us how Atheism – not the Atheist Republic – fits that dictionary definition.

Of course this 'cult' only relates to Pi's intent to make it a 'group'. Without the group it is again, merely a point of view again.

Athel, I have already stated atheism in itself is nothing more than an opinion expressed, its Pi's group that I define as having the makings of a cult

I GET IT! Athiesm is about doing what YOU say not what GOD says! yeh I GET IT!
Hmm...

<Small>(Edit: Not to say I don't agree that Pi's group is cult-like.)</Small>

Hmm...

:D well our Pi is attempting to (note his new tag ... 'president of ' ) set himself up as 'prime leader' with followers who he 'can banish' and 'reward'....

for the record, I actually don't really think Pi's party is a cult, but what the heck is it??????

It will be yet another nuisance group like all the rest...don't we have enough division with out atheists dropping their 'just expressing an opinion' stance and forming a great big group of separateness?

copied from web:

"ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION OR A FAITH!

Atheism, by definition, is the absence of theism. If you cannot say "I believe in a Deity/God/Supreme Being" then you are an atheist. If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

As mentioned in the Introduction page, there is a subtle but important difference between "believing there is no God", and "not believing there is a God". The first is a belief, the second is a lack of that belief. I don't know any atheists who "believe" God (take your pick, there are plenty) does not exist. All the atheists I know simply do not believe God does exist.

There is a big difference between positively believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence. In many cases, atheists will say "That God does not exist", not because they choose to do so, but because, from the description of the God, it cannot exist due to contradictory attributes. In the same way that a square circle cannot (and therefore does not) exist, a God defined as (for example) all-knowing, yet cannot see into the future, cannot and does not exist because the definition is self-contradictory. If you describe your God with self-contradicting attributes which make it logically impossible, then I may safely say that such a thing does not exist as described. This is not faith - this is reason.

If someone asked you about unicorns, would you say "I believe there are no unicorns", or would it be more honest to say "I do not believe in unicorns"? These are two different answers. Nobody disbelieves in unicorns purely as a matter of personal faith.

Again, apply the same reasoning to the Gods of other religions. Example : if you are a Christian, do you believe the Hindu God Ganesh does not exist? Or do you not believe in Ganesh?

If you believe that unicorns do not exist, then may I say that you a member of the "No unicorns" religion? Is it a matter of faith that unicorns do not exist? Can I come along to your non-unicorn church with you tomorrow?

If you are a Christian, do you believe Ganesh does not exist? Why, then you must be a devout follower of the "No Ganesh" faith!

Do you see where this is going? [ Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but it's excellent for getting a point across. 8-) ]

If me not believing in your God is a faith, then you not believing in other Gods is an equal faith. How many Christians do you know who would say they do not believe in other Gods as a matter of faith?

If my atheism with respect to your deity is a religion, then your atheism with respect to other deities is also a religion.


Atheism is neither religion nor faith, but the happy freedom from them. Declaring it to be otherwise, sadly, will not make it so."


Pi's feeling the need to form a group of members, with banishings and rewards, rules and guidelines of conduct makes it seem 'more' religion point of view' he is taking, see below:

"Atheism is a religion", for some strange reason, is often used by theists to criticise non-believers. A couple of examples from my email and guestbook:

"Do you have a belief that atheism is true? If no, then you're lying, if yes, then you are acting on faith. If you don't believe in God, you must believe in something or someone else. An atheist doesn't simply lack positive belief in God. The atheist has positive belief in the non-existence of God."

There are Ulterior Motives to Atheism, namely : Admitting the obvious of an INtelligent Creator introduces accountability and someone who is bigger and more important than oneself ...and, it impedes on the present less than desirable and/or immoral (incl. sexually, in most cases) lifestyle that the Atheist has chosen for himself. Both of these can be summarized by Pride."

Pi desiring to make his atheism more 'real and true' implies faith in atheism.

copied from web:

[snip]
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I've read that website! But I lost it with the rest of my bookmarks a while ago. Please link us &ndash; not only so we know where it's from, but also so I have that site in my bookmarks again.

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I've read that website! But I lost it with the rest of my bookmarks a while ago. Please link us &ndash; not only so we know where it's from, but also so I have that site in my bookmarks again.


http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/atheismreligion.html

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/atheismreligion.html
Yes! Nice. Thanks.

"If Atheism is religion, albino is a suntan." ;)

Why has athiests 'leader' Pi been banned from sciforums?

I see you failed to read what I wrote.
No I didn't.

he got banned for using the term 'fucking jews'

And everybody knows Jews don't fuck, eh?

[/sarcasm]

One has to wonder if the same censorship (if, indeed, that was the only thing that got him banned) would apply if someone said, "fucking Christians" or even "fucking atheists." I'm betting there's more to his banning, but it still has to be acknowledged that there exists a different sentiment toward the Jewish faith than to other faiths with regard to criticism.

No I didn't.
If you had read it, you would've seen that Atheism doesn't fit the dictionary definition &ndash; not the layman's definition &ndash; of either "religion" or "cult". Instead you daftly restated your assertion as if it made it any less of a misconception.

I'll wait until you can read my post and comprehend it properly.

And everybody knows Jews don't fuck, eh?

[/sarcasm]

One has to wonder if the same censorship (if, indeed, that was the only thing that got him banned) would apply if someone said, "fucking Christians" or even "fucking atheists." I'm betting there's more to his banning, but it still has to be acknowledged that there exists a different sentiment toward the Jewish faith than to other faiths with regard to criticism.
i am Pi's friend from school and have read the thread that got him banned, the moderator was james r

Guys, there's a thread about Pi's banning in About the Members. Use that one instead.

i know i was simply replying to the people that wanted to know where he was

As far as I am aware atheism is simply a point of view which is 'do not believe in existance of a 'god'......... the end.

Atheism isn't a country or town or city, it is NOT a religion or political party, alliance etc so it really shouldn't have any laws should it?

When you start asking that people use this 'point of view' to form an alliance with others who share this point of view, start electing leaders, initiating rules, giving out prizes, you have something MORE than a point of view thats now being expressed.

You have yet another 'group' that wishes to separate itself and mark itself out as different to the rest of the population. Who else does this?...............ah yes the religious, the political, the cults.

Now as this is NOT a religion and it's NOT a political party, that only leaves CULT.

Of course this 'cult' only relates to Pi's intent to make it a 'group'. Without the group it is again, merely a point of view again.

if people chose to gather together and start a republic, then they are a self-contained society. the rules, as i understood them, were theoretical codes of behavior that people in a theoretical republic would abide by. it may be more aptly named the Humanist Republic, since the rules seem to reflect a deference to reason and logic and fairness, but i was guessing it was called the atheist republic in recognition of the fact that its institutions would bear no religious taint, not that its entire population would be non-religious. so yeah, maybe check it out a bit more thoroughly before you start screaming cult.

I'll wait until you can read my post and comprehend it properly.
I've already read it. You posted dictionary definitions for the word "atheism".
Poitnless really.

And everybody knows Jews don't fuck, eh?

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One has to wonder if the same censorship (if, indeed, that was the only thing that got him banned) would apply if someone said, "fucking Christians" or even "fucking atheists." I'm betting there's more to his banning, but it still has to be acknowledged that there exists a different sentiment toward the Jewish faith than to other faiths with regard to criticism.

100% AGREED

if people chose to gather together and start a republic, then they are a self-contained society. the rules, as i understood them, were theoretical codes of behavior that people in a theoretical republic would abide by. it may be more aptly named the Humanist Republic, since the rules seem to reflect a deference to reason and logic and fairness, but i was guessing it was called the atheist republic in recognition of the fact that its institutions would bear no religious taint, not that its entire population would be non-religious. so yeah, maybe check it out a bit more thoroughly before you start screaming cult.

and you should maybe read the rest of my posts before you mistake my sense of humour for a statement of fact!

:D well our Pi is attempting to (note his new tag ... 'president of ' ) set himself up as 'prime leader' with followers who he 'can banish' and 'reward'....

for the record, I actually don't really think Pi's party is a cult, but what the heck is it??????

It will be yet another nuisance group like all the rest...don't we have enough division with out atheists dropping their 'just expressing an opinion' stance and forming a great big group of separateness?

Repeating myself for the benefit of charles cure