The Abduction Experience

If the abduction phenomena were a part of our spiritual and societal paradigm, being abducted would be sought out my most people, and the abduction process would be one of joy, not dread.

Societal norms, those things deemed valid or invalid, real or not real by our society, are something that we all, whether consciously or not, adhere to. The emotional turmoil created from our abduction experience, is a result of the fact that our society has no place for our experiences whatsoever - if that were not the case, that is to say that if our society saw our experiences as valid, normal, and/or commonplace, the trauma that we experience as a result of our abductions for the most part would not exist.

Simply put, this emotional pain that we have all felt, is as a result of us trying to categorize and explain something that our society views as not being real or valid, and in the process attempting to make it somehow fit within our individual belief system.

Ultimately, each of us is forced to stand up and say; “wait a minute, I’m not crazy, this was a real and valid experience that I have had, whether or not it fits into what society says is acceptable, and whether or not it fits into my current belief system”.

From there, we all then need, are required, to integrate our experiences into our belief systems.

The world doesn’t provide a template for us to do this, but then again, maybe forums such as these are our templates.

In effect, we are the first settlers of a new frontier.

Wagons Ho

The term that most immediately springs to mind is "ha!".

Let's put this concisely:

1. Your alien abduction experience was NOT real.

2. Your alien abduction experience is valid only insofar as it open a window into your inner mind, which is obviously very troubled.

3. You may, in fact, be crazy.

4. Your belief system is utterly irrelevant.

Not you, nor anyone else, was abducted by aliens. If you really think it happened, it is nothing more than a delusion. Get some help.

Human mind can create a virtual world which is not real to outside world. All over the world people experience such scenarios - whether UFO, Abduction, fariries, angels, devil or Godhead. Most cases occur from mental trauma or physiological damage including tumors.

That does not mean that UFOs can not exist, it means that the experience has nothing to do with such an improbable item.

'Cause this is the so many thread, started about abductions I will merge them tomorrow. This way J.S. Horvath, you'll know it in time.

BTW, welcome to Sciforums. :) It is in no way meant to deny your post, because I don't. It is just more sufficient to merge the threads. 'Cause man, there are a lot of abduction threads now.

I hope you understand...:)

Interesting-

i believe in aliens and that they fly them discs and cigar lookin cylinders around and have had contact with our gov., and are abducting people and making our women have them hybrids and implanting them metals in our bodies to track us. what i want to know is if i am right and if not i just want to know the truth holla~

please post ur theories or beliefs~

Actually, the truth is that Jesus killed all the aliens long ago.

No, in fact Jesus was a half-alien. His father was the one and only god, isn't it? This god, however, was an alien who came down from heaven.

Therefore, Jesus was a half-alien.

This god, even came down to Earth accompanied by Angels. Creatures with wings, as is stated in the holy bible. Only the godbelievers are to insecure to see that clearly. I guess it is easier to believe in an almighty, invisible god, who made the godbelievers go on the war-path to bring the message of "love", in the name of god. At any cost.

No believing in the good god almighty, in the way he wants it, results in death and destruction. A true loving god it is...

BTW, threads are being merged, 'cause there are several threads at the moment with the same subject(s).

No offense Mortox...

Originally posted by Northwind
Not you, nor anyone else, was abducted by aliens. If you really think it happened, it is nothing more than a delusion. Get some help.

You know, that's just what an alien would say who was trying to hide out unobtrusively here on earth... :bugeye:

Originally posted by kmguru
Human mind can create a virtual world which is not real to outside world. All over the world people experience such scenarios - whether UFO, Abduction, fariries, angels, devil or Godhead. Most cases occur from mental trauma or physiological damage including tumors.


You know, that's another way that an alien might try to pass this all off so as to remain undetected on earth... :bugeye:

;)

People have said, I may be an alien deflecting the focus on me....:D

And the purpose is....???

Originally posted by kmguru
And the purpose is....???

A bloodless coup... :eek:

The secret is out....

We are heeeere......:eek:

Your experience was likely caused from something called Sleep Paralysis. It happens when the body is in between being awake and being asleep. Symptoms are usually the same as victim's accounts of abduction, such as paralysis, bright lights....

Unfortunately, I have not talked to anyone who has been abducted nor have read the background of people who have. However, I have met several people who do channeling (otherwise known as talking to some intelligent bodyless entity). In one case it was done in front of me by a person who was divorced and under duress.

I came to the conclusion that the mind sometimes creates a different personality for mental and physical protection.

There has been a situation I was invloved in that I can not explain because I do not have enough information. But I still dont think these traumatic abductions are any more real than nightmares by young children.

You know, that's just what an alien would say who was trying to hide out unobtrusively here on earth...
I liked that one a lot ! heheehe welcom to sciforums, where the anvils fly and the ufo's drop,...

what about all the millions of story's,.......all made up?

what about the million withnesses,..........all fake?

what about the zillion artefacts and archaic relevant relics,.........?

what about the trillions of strange phenomena exerianced by people troughout history,.......all related to here and now and fake?


what about aaaaaaall those little details: detained material, confiscated documents,...

what about all those sensored things, and those tabous where you may not speak about unless you want to be despoused by people like northwind: look: all I'm saying is: if people like him would have the power to lock away all those 'mad' people (as I'm shure he'll call them) Then he'd probably do that,....only to find out that there are more witnesses than 'normal' people.

NO rants please, just facts,....Thx:bugeye:

Originally posted by Fukushi
No rants please, just facts,....

You know, that's just what a Skeptic seeking the truth would say... :bugeye:

I take that as a compliment! :p

But if you would believe what I saw,...man,...you'd be wondering why I was so sceptic: well: it's just because of those 'crazy' people like ... they are so ignorant and we must find a way to convey them to see all the shit that's been going on right under their noses,....but how?:eek:

Originally posted by Fukushi
I take that as a compliment! :p

Then you missed the point...


But if you would believe what I saw,...man,...you'd be wondering why I was so sceptic: well: it's just because of those 'crazy' people like ... they are so ignorant and we must find a way to convey them to see all the shit that's been going on right under their noses,....but how?:eek:

You might begin by backing up that long list of "rants" in your previous message with verifiable facts. After all, the skeptic would say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

:rolleyes:

To say that anyone was or was not abducted has not been proved or disproved, so anyone that says a person who claims to have been abducted is either lying or crazy is just closed mindedness. I haven't seen proof either way.

I have seen flying objects that I can't say were of alien origin but I don't know of any known aircraft that looks or moves like what I've seen. I do live close to a firing center for military exercises.:eek:

I agree with you completely! The very reason this whole issue has been swept under the rug is because society doesn't really want to believe the truth.
It has left those who has had such experiences alone to deal with them on their own or express themselves in Forums such as this.
Even here, you deal with the non- believers...
There will come a day when everyones eyes will be opened and then they all will know the truth...

The Truth is within ourselves....All we need to do is believe!

Originally posted by Aribella
The Truth is within ourselves....All we need to do is believe!

Gee. When I try to look inside myself, all I see is the back of my eyelids.

Hmm. I guess the Truth is a very dark place... :D

Aribella -"Even here, you deal with the non- believers..."

I hope you can make a distinction between non-believers and skeptics. As one one of the latter, I can certainly be swayed by clear evidence. At this point convincing evidence is lacking. On the old Compuserve UFO Forum I did communicate with someone who was convinced they were abducted. I have no doubt they truly believe it happened to them. I am not so certain that their belief in what happened is correct.
Do I believe there is other life out there somewhere? Most certainly. Do I believe that superior intelligence beings are now here or have in the past paid us a visit? No.

heyya all :)

heyya...
J.S. Horvath
Fukushi
Aribella

see how they come crawling from the corners to persecute rather than try to help!!!

this is one mesure of how some people act to try to subjegate!

their are others who will string you along and then try to destroy you emotionaly and or finacialy!!!

the truth is among us!
crazzy is as crazzy acts to others in times of need!

look to those who have strong hearts and minds!
look to those who do not show biggotry!
look to those who seek to help the soul as well as the body!

stay strong and if you need to , just remind yourself of how sad and desperately confused the inner minds of those who act against you!

as banshee was saying... the bible tells of many things that ARE NOT MODERN CHRISTIAN ways and things that MODERN christians can NEVER accept.
this is one of the biggest tools used to miss-inform and hence
undermine the society in which the victim of such , lyes!

regardles of mental illnes
we still need love to secure the spirit to the body in the comunity of life!
this is why seperation (devide and coquer) is used and promoted as "INDIVIDUALITY" which all "big businnes" is pushing as a social ideal,
when in reality the problem is that the idevidual is actualy miss led and poisened so they no longer have the ability to devide good from bad.
rite from wrong.

REMEBER THIS
there are allot of people who seek to gain power in their own life by persecuting others who seem weak!
"kicking someone on the ground"
to make them feel like they are in control of their own life, when they know deep inside they are not!
these people will try and track you down and destroy your ability to understand yourself and feel safe !
fear is the biggest weapon
and their are many tools!
tv and radio are some of the biggest!
and then their are people who actualy look for peole to "pick" on

SO
above all else!
stay happy as much as possible and
keep groovin!

peace light
truth love
the path to that we hold above!

Has anyone here ever been abducted or know anyone thats said they've been abducted. I would actually like to hear some stories (true or false) LMK what you have to say, enlighten me please.

heyya all :)


mossfan125...
quote...
I would actually like to hear some stories (true or false)
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small prob with that request!
this is not a fictional thread!
it is not for making up storys!
it is a discussion on the philosophical edicts of the nature of abduction experience in relation to societal interface on a
Common-istic sociological foundation!
/
stuff people believe to be true!

science fiction is what you are referring to !
or
'science-miss-information' would be a more accurate word!-
pertaining to small crucial technical portions of the truth mixed amongst fantastical social 'loggerheads'.

in a story book fashion...

i have read many stories stated as truth by the authors and or experiencers...

it is mealy futile and destructive in scientific relativity to mix this with fictional material.

so maybe you should re-consider your direction of interest???

a U$A insurance company has already paid-out to a person for being abducted...
so what you choose to believe and what you choose to
"not believe in"
are some times too close to allow an unbiased view point!
this under-pins the complexatey of advanced scientific theory
and is one of the most intensionaly miss-represented and ultimately perverted areas of science that the "skeptics" flounder in in ever decreasing circles.

funny ol world!
:D
if we judge others by our own fears then we build our world of unreasonable arrogance to thus paint all others as evil and foriegn

groove on all

peace light
truth love