View Full Version : The 1938 American invasion of British territory


Brian Foley
01-06-06, 09:37 PM
1938: Canton Island (http://encarta.msn.com/sidebar_461500145/1938_Canton_Island.html)
Assertion of sovereignty by the United States for Canton and the nearby Enderbury Island was made through an executive order of President Roosevelt on March 3, 1938. American claims, according to Government releases, rest presumably upon discovery (by American whaling captains in the nineteenth century) and upon failure of any other nation to occupy the islands. Great Britain, nevertheless, had laid claim to the Phoenix group and on March 9, 1938, in a note to the State Department of the United States, reserved her rights.
An American seizure of two British islands in the South Pacific Ocean the Canton/Enderbury Islands , needed by Pan American Airways as landing grounds .

On August 31st, 1937 (http://www.janeresture.com/kiribati_phoenix_group/canton.htm) two British agents, with powerful radio equipment, were landed on the Canton/Enderbury Islands.

On March 6 1938 (http://www.janeresture.com/kiribati_phoenix_group/canton.htm) a force of US Marines landed on the Canton/Enderbury Islands .

And on March 9th 1938 (http://encarta.msn.com/sidebar_461500441/1938_International_Law.html) Prime Minister Chamberlain told the House of Commons that Great Britain reserves her right over the islands.

Of note here , is in the same year of 1938 , is President Franklin D Roosevelt's admonishment and criticism of the illegal Nazi takeover of Austria .

spuriousmonkey
01-06-06, 09:55 PM
Interesting.

How did hawaii end up being United states. Wikipedia is a bit vague on the matter. It says the newlands resolution was signed, but hardly gives any background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newlands_Resolution

It doesn't seem logical for Hawaii to become a state of the US in a natural manner.

Communist Hamster
01-07-06, 05:18 AM
How dare America invade sovereign British soil! TO WAR!

Zephyr
01-07-06, 05:20 AM
Of note here , is in the same year of 1938 , is President Franklin D Roosevelt's admonishment and criticism of the illegal Nazi takeover of Austria .

Slight size difference, but yeah, hypocrisy sucks.

River Ape
01-07-06, 07:55 AM
It doesn't seem logical for Hawaii to become a state of the US in a natural manner.
Time to restore Hawaiian independence!

Welcome to the website of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government presently operating within the occupied State of the Hawaiian Islands. Since the Spanish-American War, 1898, our Nation has been under prolonged occupation by the United States of America. (http://hawaiiankingdom.org/index.shtml)

Brian Foley
01-07-06, 02:29 PM
Interesting.

How did hawaii end up being United states. Wikipedia is a bit vague on the matter. It says the newlands resolution was signed, but hardly gives any background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newlands_Resolution

It doesn't seem logical for Hawaii to become a state of the US in a natural manner.
Hawaii became as US posession as a forward base into North Asia so the US could exploit the Japanese and Chinese markets . Hawaii was claimed by New Zealand but Britain would not allow its Dominion to incorporate it . 19th century America began expanding especially after the Spanish American war , this policy complemented Americas growing economic might .
Slight size difference, but yeah, hypocrisy sucks.
Yeah I know its trivial , but I find it amazing nations actions and words . One of the reasons Great Britain put forward as the cause for WW1 was German expansionism , this from a nation which had 1/4 of the world as its empire !

Brian Foley
01-07-06, 02:33 PM
Time to restore Hawaiian independence!

Welcome to the website of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government presently operating within the occupied State of the Hawaiian Islands. Since the Spanish-American War, 1898, our Nation has been under prolonged occupation by the United States of America. (http://hawaiiankingdom.org/index.shtml)
They aint the only state :TEXAS INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT (http://www.texasrepublic.com/)
Mind you from what I hear from visiting Americans is that Texas can go , acoording to them they hate Texans more than New Yorkers ! In fact one tourist summed it up like this to me " Only 2 things come out Texas , steers and queers " .

spuriousmonkey
01-07-06, 03:42 PM
Is there any debate on the colonial acquisitions of states such as Hawaii, new mexico etc in the US or in these states themselves? I mean a noticable debate?

The dutch had this debate with for instance suriname and we separated. The dutch antilles do not really want to be formally separated entirely so they aren't.

Is there anything similar going on for hawaii? Do hawaiians care?

I've clicked on the link, but can't assess if he is a loner, crackpot or voice of the people.

Brian Foley
01-07-06, 09:48 PM
Is there any debate on the colonial acquisitions of states such as Hawaii, new mexico etc in the US or in these states themselves? I mean a noticable debate?
Not that I know of .
The dutch had this debate with for instance suriname and we separated. The dutch antilles do not really want to be formally separated entirely so they aren't.
But did the Dutch want them ? ;)
Is there anything similar going on for hawaii? Do hawaiians care?
Only with the hawaiian native population , Hawaii today has a large Asian and White population which dominates the State . Native Hawaiians are agitating for a status similar to that of the Maori of New Zealand .

guthrie
01-08-06, 03:58 PM
And lets not forget those small islands in teh INdian ocean, whose names I have forgotten. The local population were deported in the 50's or 60's, for the USA'ians to turn the islands into gigantic aircraft carriers. Their every attempt at returning has been blocked by the most egregious legal means possible.

Brian Foley
01-09-06, 12:08 AM
And lets not forget those small islands in teh INdian ocean, whose names I have forgotten. The local population were deported in the 50's or 60's, for the USA'ians to turn the islands into gigantic aircraft carriers. Their every attempt at returning has been blocked by the most egregious legal means possible.
Diego Garcia made into a massive airbase for B52's to bomb the Mideast .
Diego Garcia: Paradise Cleansed By John Pilger (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=3702)
All this began to end when an American rear admiral stepped ashore in 1961 and Diego Garcia was marked as the site of what is today one of the biggest American bases in the world. There are now more than 2,000 troops, anchorage for 30 warships, a nuclear dump, a satellite spy station, shopping malls, bars and a golf course. "Camp Justice," the Americans call it.

To get rid of the population, the Foreign Office invented the fiction that the islanders were merely transient contract workers who could be "returned" to Mauritius, 1,000 miles away. In fact, many islanders traced their ancestry back five generations, as their cemeteries bore witness. The aim, wrote a Foreign Office official in January 1966, "is to convert all the existing residents ... into short-term, temporary residents."

vincent28uk
01-16-06, 03:28 PM
What the hell are you going on about walnut, the uk is & will always be friends with america, you portray america as nazi germany, the reality is with out them you would be a german anarchist today, not a australian one, and you want to know what war the americans won without any help, you ever heard of allies, or friends i doubt it, your allies & america fight the bad guys, a group of good countries form a alliance,thats how we won the 2nd world war walnut, now when russia or china or japan have invaded countries there is usually no alliance, because knowbody wants to be on the evil bastards team.

spuriousmonkey
01-16-06, 03:39 PM
Well, good to know the world is still simple, vincent. Uncle Sam is our friend and trusted ally and hence it is all good.

vslayer
01-16-06, 04:05 PM
vincent;

you only believe that because history is written by the victors, you need stop being opinionated for a minute and think: 'what would have happened if they had won?'

if nazi ideology now ruled, the world would be a far more technologically advanced place.

if japan had won, then the economic co-prosperity sphere would currently be providing a free market throughout asia/pacific, providing the millions of jobs that mongolia, china, N korea, etc desperately need.

notice how all of the ex-soviet territories are full of rebellion and unrest? maybe if the USSR hadnt been undermined and corrupted by american subversion then they would still be peacefully unified.

nirakar
01-16-06, 07:37 PM
Is there any debate on the colonial acquisitions of states such as Hawaii, new mexico etc in the US or in these states themselves? I mean a noticable debate?

The dutch had this debate with for instance suriname and we separated. The dutch antilles do not really want to be formally separated entirely so they aren't.

Is there anything similar going on for hawaii? Do hawaiians care?

I've clicked on the link, but can't assess if he is a loner, crackpot or voice of the people.

Some native Hawaiians keep alive the true history of the US conquest of Hawaii. American history for school children wants to pretend that the hawaiians willingly joined the USA. This is a lie.

But wht was done is complete. native Hawaiians are outnumbered in Hawaii, and every rational person understands that Hawaii will not become indepedant from the USA.




From Wikipedia:

Hawaii in the 2000 U.S. Census it had a population of 1,211,537 people

According to the U.S. Census Bureau report for 2000, there are 476,000 people who identified themselves as being native Hawaiian, part native Hawaiian and mixed native Hawaiian. Most native Hawaiians are residents of the United States in California, the State of Hawaiʻi, Nevada and Washington. Two-thirds live in the State of Hawaiʻi while the other one-third is split among mainland states.

At the time of Captain Cook's arrival, native Hawaiians numbered over 800,000. Over the span of the first century after first contact, native Hawaiians declined in population by 80%, dying from diseases introduced to the islands. Native Hawaiians did not have immunity to influenza, measles, and whooping cough, among others. The census of 1900 identified only 40,000 native Hawaiians. The census of 2000 identified 400,000 native Hawaiians, demonstrating a trend of dramatic growth since annexation by the U.S. in 1898.

An Office of Hawaiian Affairs survey in 1984 reported that 61% of Native Hawaiians had less than 50% native Hawaiian blood. That same report indicated that only 8,244 pure blood native Hawaiians existed out of the 208,476 total native Hawaiians surveyed.