In much of the north, influential authors, journalists, and idealists, in my opinion. For the south it was pressure from the north and the federal government. Much of the south is still just a hillbilly dumping ground for overweight losers, like Texas. EDIT: this conversation was relocated from somebody else's thread, if anyone is wondering why this thread is starting in this weird way. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You're an idiot. Texas is the most important state in the Union. The South has contributed greatly to the United States. Go learn some US history. I apparently know more of it than you do, and I'm a foreigner in origin.
Nay, Texas is one of the most useless states in the Union. The most important state in the Union (and this has always held true in the USA) is the state of New York. New York City is the greatest city in the world. Without it, the country would financially founder.
You're hilarious. California......I can see it being marginally more important than Texas. Michigan? You're joking. Michigan is shrinking and their economy is dying. Texas, however, is prospering. New York City is important. New York State is overall useless except for NYC. Texas, on the other hand, has one of the highest GDP's of any states; has many Fortune 500 companies; has the largest and biggest numbers of farms; contributes more troops to the US military than many other states; is the most business friendly state; sells many electronic products from Dallas and other manufacturing and research centers. Go educate yourself. The North couldn't survive without the South, but the South could survive without the North. I'd rather live in Alabama than in the People's Republic of Massachusetts anyday.
The New York metropolitan area comprises more than half of the people in New York state, Long Island included. It is one of the most active urban centers in the entire world, and the most active for this country. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! GDP is rather meaningless, as are those other things. They are simply functions of population. Texas is also home to the fattest cities in America, statistically speaking. You need to get your head out of Texas' overweight ass, norse. You have been kicking around the same state all your life, which explains your rather limited perspective. But it's getting to be pathetic. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! States that trump Texas in historical value: Virginia Pennsylvania Connecticut Maryland States that trump Texas in usefulness: California Michigan Illinois However, the state of New York remains the country's most important state. NYC is synonymous with this country's ideals. People come from all over the world to visit NYC. They don't come from all over to see illegal alien infested dumping grounds like Texas.
NYC is also full of crime, poverty, and is absurdly expensive to live in and has some of the highest taxes in the country. Right, they're meaningless when you say so. Prosperity usually means fatter people. Go to Cambodia and you can immediately tell the difference between the rich and poor based on their weight. Besides, what does 'weight' have to do wit anything? I agree that there are too many fat people in the South......which is why they need to exercise more. Besides that, I don't even understand what you are trying to get across. There are more "x" people in the North.......so what? You need to learn some decency. You can stop with the smilies, because they aren't cool. As for my "limited perspective", that's nonsense. I have been to California, Michigan, New York, and Louisiana. Few states trump Texas in historical value. Again, Michigan and Illinois? Seriously? Michigan has one of the most stagnant economies of any state. Detroit is one big, sprawling ghetto. Symbolically, I agree; and financially, that is probably true due to the NY Stock Maket. However, other than that, there are plenty of other states more valuable than New York. And if Texas is, as you say, useless, then you will have no problem with our secession. Let's see how you feed yourself or supply yourself or enjoy Texas taxes when Texas is not a member of the Union anymore. Seriously, without California and Texas, the US would stagnate.
NYC is very low in crime, or haven't you been paying attention..? These aren't the 80's. Wiki excerpt: That means that New York City has less crime than *every* major city in Texas. By the way, New York's per capita income is significantly higher than that of Texas. So you are also poorer. Nay, prosperity means richer and thinner people in this country. Statistically speaking, in the USA rich people tend to be thinner than poor people. New York has a higher proportion of slim people as compared to most of the rest of the country. Texas has almost no historical value, norse. It has a minor distinction of being some slimy little republic for a few years. Meanwhile, New York, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and those other states were all integral to the formation of this country. They also had significant roles in the revolutionary war. Now, I think if anything is historically important to the USA, it would be its creation, correct? These are states that have histories spanning back to the country's founding and continued up until the time states on their own ceased to be historically important. Texas is a footnote that nobody outside the state really cares about. Sure, then we can invade Texas and steal their oil. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Without California, there would be problems. Without New York, there would be problems. Those two states have irrepaceable roles in this country's business sector, banks, and economy. Texas is just California Lite. Truth.
No, because you need to take into account the cost of living. New York City is very expensive to live in. http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/02/05/2009-02-05_nyc_so_costly_you_need_to_earn_six_figur.html Now you're just talking out of your ass. Your desperate attempt at drawing connections where there are none is pathetic. So did Georgia, Virginia, and South Carolina, and they are Southern states. And once again, go read a history book. Texas history was vital to the overall history of Manifest Destiny in the US; not to mention the real estate rush, etc Yes, like Georgia, South Carolina, and Virigina. I see, so you're a war-monger and thief. Is that what Kennedy believed in? If that is so, then I will honestly lose respect for him. Again, go educate yourself. Without Texas, the US would suffer greatly.
Of course it is expensive. It is a better and more varied place to live, with much more opportunity. It costs more to live here, and people make more here. I don't agree. I think you can make a fair number of value judgements based on how much of an overweight slob (or slobette) somebody is. Manifest Destiny was the spread across the whole east-west North American continent, not Texas. Kennedy was a federalist, just like Lincoln. You're either in the country or you're going to be made to be in the country. Take your pick, and no quitting later on. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! We'd lose a lot of unremarkable energy and technology businesses that would be easily relocated or started anew in other portions of the country where that sector is already present, like CO or CA. NY's contributions are irreplaceable. California's contributions are irreplaceable. They have industries that are unique to those states.
It is not a better place at all; it costs more to live there because real estate prices are absurd, it's crowded, and the state government of NY interferes way too much in the business of the citizens. The people make more there...and yet they enjoy the same standard of living as people here in Houston do. Except, in River Oaks (one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the US, in Houston), the people make more than New Yorkers and have a lower cost of living. So no, New Yorker's aren't wealthier; they make more and they pay more. Such as? Again, I agree that more people in the South need to exercise; but, it's probably 'cause they love their home-cookin'! And Texas meant access to many other states like New Mexico, and that meant access to the West. Then you're a Fasicst. It's okay. That's the mentality of the Fascist: "Everything within the state, everything under the state, nothing outside the state".....Benito Mussolini. The Constitution explicitly states that the people ought to reform or abolish government when it becomes tyrannical. Not really; they could "just relocate". Right, California contributes so much! A bunch of drop-out actors are more important than Dell, Inc and the largest agriculture in the nation.
The suburbs of Long Island are home to the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, norse. My brothers and I grew up in one when our father worked as a stock broker in Manhattan back in the 80's and 90's. Here, specifically, located in this town. Actually, it's because they thrive on drive-thru. Don't you admire fascism..? But it isn't tyrannical. Slave states are tyrannical. It does say that. CA is home to important IT companies, yes. And yes, I'm quite sure that Intel and AMD are more important than Dell. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Isn't Texas where not that long ago a black guy was chained to the back of a truck and drug down the street? I think they found his head in a ditch while other body parts were found covering a 2 mile stretch of road. That was Texas right?
Of course New York is home to wealthy people. I never said otherwise. I said that the average New Yorker isn't better off than the average Texan: they have a higher cost of living, and rent is very expensive. New York, California, and Texas have the most billionaires of any US State (in that order); thus, removing any one of them means the US is weaker. They are all economic powerhouses. Perhaps. So again, they need to exercise and eat right. In a way, but it isn't freedom, and I admire freedom more. I only discuss Fascism academically; I don't want a real life example of it unless it were to work perfectly, but it doesn't. Absolutely, and there are no more slave states. And the government is becoming tyrannical; the federal spending is increasing and the federal government is trying to impose one standard on all the states. States' rights are more important. They could just "relocate". Besides, California isn't even a Northern state anyway...it's fairly Democratic in the larger cities, but it's not a Northern state. So discussing it is irrelevant. Fortune 500 companies in Texas: 1 Exxon Mobil 1 339,938.0 Irving 2 ConocoPhillips 6 166,683.0 Houston 3 Valero Energy 15 81,362.0 San Antonio 4 Marathon Oil 23 58,958.0 Houston 5 Dell 25 55,908.0 Round Rock 6 AT&T 39 43,862.0 San Antonio 7 Plains All Amer. Pipeline 65 31,177.3 Houston 8 Sysco 68 30,281.9 Houston 9 Halliburton 103 20,994.0 Houston 10 AMR 105 20,712.0 Fort Worth 11 Electronic Data Systems 108 20,537.0 Plano 12 J.C. Penney 118 18,781.0 Plano 13 Lyondell Chemical 121 18,606.0 Houston 14 Tesoro 132 16,473.0 San Antonio 15 Kimberly-Clark 140 15,902.6 Irving 16 D.R. Horton 162 13,863.7 Fort Worth 17 Texas Instruments 167 13,392.0 Dallas 18 Fluor 169 13,161.1 Irving 19 Waste Management 170 13,074.0 Houston 20 Burlington No. Santa Fe 171 12,987.0 Fort Worth 21 Centex 175 12,859.7 Dallas 22 Enterprise Products 183 12,257.0 Houston 23 USAA 189 11,980.4 San Antonio 24 Continental Airlines 207 11,208.0 Houston 25 Dean Foods 216 10,900.3 Dallas 26 Reliant Energy 220 10,708.0 Houston 27 TXU 228 10,449.0 Dallas 28 Tenet Healthcare 236 10,052.0 Dallas 29 Kinder Morgan Energy 243 9,787.1 Houston 30 CenterPoint Energy 244 9,784.0 Houston 31 Clear Channel Communications 252 9,468.9 San Antonio 32 TEPPCO Partners 267 8,618.5 Houston 33 Burlington Resources 298 7,587.0 Houston 34 Apache 299 7,584.2 Houston 35 Southwest Airlines 300 7,584.0 Dallas 36 Baker Hughes 310 7,218.0 Houston 37 Anadarko Petroleum 314 7,100.0 The Woodlands 38 Commercial Metals 329 6,592.7 Irving 39 Enbridge Energy Partners 335 6,476.9 Houston 40 Dynegy 337 6,438.0 Houston 41 Energy Transfer Partners 347 6,274.3 Dallas 42 Celanese 356 6,070.0 Dallas 43 Group 1 Automotive 361 5,969.6 Houston 44 Blockbuster 366 5,864.4 Dallas 45 Freescale Semiconductor 368 5,843.0 Austin 46 Pilgrim's Pride 382 5,666.3 Pittsburg 47 Smith International 390 5,579.0 Houston 48 RadioShack 423 5,081.7 Fort Worth 49 Atmos Energy 430 4,973.3 Dallas 50 Triad Hospitals 432 4,916.6 Plano 51 Temple-Inland 433 4,910.0 Austin 52 Whole Foods Market 449 4,701.3 Austin 53 National Oilwell Varco 452 4,644.5 Houston 54 El Paso 455 4,596.0 Houston 55 Affiliated Computer Svcs. 471 4,351.2 Dallas 56 Frontier Oil 496 4,001.2 Houston 57 Brinker International 504 3,912.9 Dallas 58 Neiman Marcus 512 3,821.9 Dallas 59 Michaels Stores 522 3,676.4 Irving 60 EOG Resources 528 3,620.2 Houston 61 XTO Energy 541 3,519.0 Fort Worth 62 Lennox International 560 3,366.4 Richardson 63 BJ Services 573 3,243.2 Houston 64 FMC Technologies 576 3,226.7 Houston 65 Holly 578 3,212.7 Dallas 66 EGL 599 3,096.5 Houston 67 GameStop 601 3,091.8 Grapevine 68 American National Ins. 609 3,045.5 Galveston 69 Crosstex Energy 610 3,033.0 Dallas 70 Trinity Industries 632 2,902.0 Dallas 71 Sabre Holdings 683 2,521.3 Southlake 72 US Oncology 684 2,518.6 Houston 73 Cooper Cameron 685 2,517.8 Houston 74 Stewart Information Services 703 2,430.6 Houston 75 Pioneer Natural Resources 708 2,417.1 Irving 76 Zale 715 2,383.1 Irving 77 Rent A Center 729 2,339.1 Plano 78 Builders FirstSource 730 2,337.8 Dallas 79 Adams Resources & Engy. 746 2,269.7 Houston 80 Benchmark Electronics 749 2,257.2 Angleton 81 Noble Energy 761 2,186.7 Houston 82 UICI 773 2,123.2 N. Richland Hills 83 Pride International 799 2,034.6 Houston 84 Southern Union 803 2,019.4 Houston 85 Perot Systems 807 1,998.3 Plano 86 Quanex 809 1,996.9 Houston 87 Texas Industries 822 1,951.2 Dallas 88 Pier 1 Imports 836 1,897.9 Fort Worth 89 Rush Enterprises 845 1,864.8 New Braunfels 90 Quanta Services 849 1,858.6 Houston 91 Newfield Exploration 870 1,762.0 Houston 92 Service Corp. Intl. 879 1,738.5 Houston 93 Men's Wearhouse 887 1,724.9 Houston 94 HCC Insurance Holdings 918 1,644.3 Houston 95 Kinder Morgan 932 1,594.5 Houston 96 ExpressJet Holdings 942 1,562.8 Houston 97 Alliance Data Systems 946 1,552.4 Dallas 98 Oil States International 953 1,531.6 Houston 99 Belo 962 1,521.2 Dallas 100 Pogo Producing 978 1,478.5 Houston 101 BMC Software 984 1,463.0 Houston 102 AmeriCredit http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/states/T.html Your elitist attitude makes me loathe Northerners more and more. Honestly, I can't wait until the South secedes from the Union.
Isn't New York where the Mafia cut people up and dumped them in restaurant trash bins? That was New York, right?
I do agree. I think these posts should be relocated to a wholly new topic titled "How useless and dull is the South, really?"
Is that all there is to it? Then I'm going to start being elitist! No, it was in New York. Isn't Massachusetts where people were burned for being "witches"? Why yes! Yes, it was! So, whatever humorous joke you were trying to make fails.
