The Philippines has passed a bill forbidding the media from describing suspected terrorists as Muslims. So it would be illegal to tell the truth. :(
A Muslim congressman introduced it and also threw in the word "Christian" to appease the masses.

The Phil gov is using its power to "end the stereotyping of Muslims as kidnappers, drug pushers and terrorists." So now its the government's role to make it illegal to tell the truth? :(

I know, I know, not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists seem to be muslims.

http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=1585

Our liberal media won't call them muslims and we don't even have a law forbidding it. :rolleyes:

but all terrorists seem to be muslims.



o come on you know thats not true Sandy either!!

i thoght the cubans were terrorist too, not tomention some columbians and Eta and the tmail tigers etc etcc etc

Don't forget that famous Muslim terrorist group the IRA.;)

I'm talking about right now. Every day. Daily for the past 5+ years there are reports of muslims killing people for no good reason. I want to know why.

I also want to know why anyone would give them a free pass on it and refuse to name them in news reports. You and I both know if any kind of Christian mentioned "God" in his suicide/homocidal killings, it would be all over the news wht the word "Christian" or "God" prominently featured.

Why are muslims getting the media's help with hiding their religious affiliation--especially when they brag about being muslim?

The LTTE is Muslim? The Revolutionary Group is Muslim? The Basque are Muslims?

Damn, you learn something everyday.

Bells said that only certain people on sciforums are allowed to use the word. Just her and the other Muslims, which is fine anyway.

I didn't see them mentioned anywhere in the latest list of muslim attacks:

2/7/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Islamic radicals kidnap a young man in his 20's, bind him, slash his throat and then shoot him in the head. :eek:

2/6/2008 (Yala, Thailand) - A 21-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim militants.

2/6/2008 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - A 7-year-old girl and a woman are killed in separate Jihad bombings.

2/6/2008 (Muqdadiyah, Iraq) - Ten headless bodies are found, presumably kidnap victims decapitated by the Mujahideen. :eek:

2/6/2008 (Diwaniya, Iraq) - Four people are killed when Jihadis bomb a minibus.

2/6/2008 (Khyber, Pakistan) - A civilian is killed in a bomb blast.

Surprising since the LTTE conducted 3 suicide bombings last week, killing 10-18 people each time.

Didn't you read the news?
http://news.google.com/news?q=LTTE+suicide+bombing&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn

Btw which site is that information from?

Surprising since the LTTE conducted 3 suicide bombings last week, killing 10-18 people each time.

Didn't you read the news?
http://news.google.com/news?q=LTTE+suicide+bombing&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn

Btw which site is that information from? And how many of the victims were ethnic tamil?

And how many of the victims were ethnic tamil?

How do you distinguish an ethnic Tamil from an ethnic Sinhalese?

How do you distinguish an ethnic Tamil from an ethnic Sinhalese?Have you been to Sri lanka? It's actually quite easy to distinguish targets, Tamils and Sinhalese mostly live in seperate communities in the north and east of the country and don't always integrate, certain government jobs employ people of based on their ethnicity especially jobs in sensitive areas. Every known LTTE attack has been carried out to avoid hitting a large populations of their own people although some attacks have been in Tamil neighborhoods and levels of Tamil victims have been kept to a minimum.

Have you been to Sri lanka? It's actually quite easy to distinguish targets, Tamils and Sinhalese mostly live in seperate communities in the north and east of the country and don't always integrate, certain government jobs employ people of based on their ethnicity especially jobs in sensitive areas. Every known LTTE attack has been carried out to avoid hitting a large populations of their own people although some attacks have been in Tamil neighborhoods and levels of Tamil victims have been kept to a minimum.

The bombers are usually on a public transport bus or a train

The bombers are usually on a public transport bus or a trainyeah cars are a bit expensive out there!

The Philippines has passed a bill forbidding the media from describing suspected terrorists as Muslims. So it would be illegal to tell the truth. :(
A Muslim congressman introduced it and also threw in the word "Christian" to appease the masses.

The Phil gov is using its power to "end the stereotyping of Muslims as kidnappers, drug pushers and terrorists." So now its the government's role to make it illegal to tell the truth? :(

I know, I know, not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists seem to be muslims.

http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=1585

Our liberal media won't call them muslims and we don't even have a law forbidding it. :rolleyes:

How would you feel if abortion clinic bombers or Fred Phelps were referred to as born again Christians? Its upsetting because even if they call themselves that they aren't.
I think that's what this is about.

Surprising since the LTTE conducted 3 suicide bombings last week, killing 10-18 people each time.

Didn't you read the news?
http://news.google.com/news?q=LTTE+suicide+bombing&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn

Btw which site is that information from?

Don't be stupid S.A.M. we all know your site is a fake trying to trick us because if it wasn't it would invalidate sandy's theories.:p

Don't forget that famous Muslim terrorist group the IRA.;)
I was just going to say that terrorists can be people other than Muslims. I would even consider those abortion clinic bombings as Christian/protestant terrorists. And the IRA are Catholic terrrorists.
I even consider hate groups (Nazis, KKK) to be a form of terrorists.

Several different sites:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L08124480.htm

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2008/February/middleeast_February76.xml&section=middleeast

http://www.bosnewslife.com/index.php?//page.newsPayment&id=3416

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55574

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55686

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

How would you feel if abortion clinic bombers or Fred Phelps were referred to as born again Christians? Its upsetting because even if they call themselves that they aren't.
I think that's what this is about.

What do you mean? they do describe him as a fundamentalist Christian.

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism.holysmoke/browse_thread/thread/0fe4e71f4b561d9e/9266abd0a13d9bb9?lnk=raot

What do you mean? they do describe him as a fundamentalist Christian....

DON'T YELL AT ME!!! and I wasn't talkin to you anyways. :p

How would you feel if abortion clinic bombers or Fred Phelps were referred to as born again Christians? Its upsetting because even if they call themselves that they aren't.
I think that's what this is about.

No its about profiling all Christians as abortion clinic bombers or gay funeral stalkers because some of them do it.

No its about profiling all Christians as abortion clinic bombers or gay funeral stalkers because some of them do it.

right, christians don't want that. Sandy wouldn't want that.
So why would Muslims?

DON'T YELL AT ME!!! and I wasn't talkin to you anyways. :p

IF I was Yelling it would look like this:

What do you mean? they do describe him as a fundamentalist Christian.
:D

remember : one person's terrorist will always be another person's freedom fighter
it just depends on what effect you're trying to create

Some Catholic moron bombed an abortion clinic years ago.

Muslims are bombing/killing innocent people daily all over the world.

HUGE difference. :(

I'm not sure how legislation in the Philippines is at all relevent. It's just an excuse to aim another rant at the "liberal media".

I'm not sure how legislation in the Philippines is at all relevent. It's just an excuse to aim another rant at the "liberal media".

I don't think so. This is bad. Now they can't describe a muslim as a muslim even though he is/was one? Why protect them? That just lets them get away with more killing.

Bad for the US? No one is going to care about some minor legislation in a foriegn country.

The Philippines has passed a bill forbidding the media from describing suspected terrorists as Muslims. So it would be illegal to tell the truth. :(
A Muslim congressman introduced it and also threw in the word "Christian" to appease the masses.

The Phil gov is using its power to "end the stereotyping of Muslims as kidnappers, drug pushers and terrorists." So now its the government's role to make it illegal to tell the truth? :(

I know, I know, not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists seem to be muslims.

http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=1585

Our liberal media won't call them muslims and we don't even have a law forbidding it. :rolleyes:

Sandy, I believe you have stated before that anyone who murders or does anything truly bad is not a true Christian (or at least is not a true born again Christian). So why is it that when others use the same semantic gambit it's wrong?

I was just going to say that terrorists can be people other than Muslims. I would even consider those abortion clinic bombings as Christian/protestant terrorists. And the IRA are Catholic terrrorists.
I even consider hate groups (Nazis, KKK) to be a form of terrorists.

I agree. Those Christians believe they are doing gods work in preventing abortions, so really anyone can be a terrorist and their causes they fight for can be very varied. Sadly though it's hard to say they aren't truely a part of their religion if they claim to act in the name of said religion. There's obviously something in many religions that allows such an interpretation to flourish.
You're probably correct about racists and hate groups too as they use the same weapon of terror to force people to join their groups and to terrorise the opposition.
However I do not believe it is a terrorist act to attack a military installation in wartime through means of suicide bombings, to me a terror act takes place against civilians, and I think the callous collateral damage employed by invading armies(such as the USA in Iraq) can also be included in that.
I despise the idea in some circles that to spare our own military lives it's acceptable to kill the opposing civilians, the men knew what they signed up for when they joined, we should send them in and save the innocents.

Demonic muslim terrorists are the ones killing innocent civilians. Every day there are new reports.

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

www.evilbible.com

surely you realise that the command "thou shalt not kill" only applies to the in-group, i.e. one of us
killing outsiders in this view doesn't count
that's what you get when apply old testament morals to today's society

I didn't see them mentioned anywhere in the latest list of muslim attacks:

Another 'derr' moment from Sandy.

Let's see if I have this correct.

All terrorists are muslims, because all the people on the list of muslim attacks are muslim?

Ummm....

Sandy what about those funimentilists who blow up abortion clinics?
and have you NEVER herd of Northan Irland? The IRA, the UFF (is that the right acronim for the prodistant side?)

All terrorists seem to be Muslims? American soldiers are mostly Christian...and yet by definition the US Army is a terrorist organization because they commit terrorism.

Sandy, the Phils are right to do what they did and this should be seen as an example to America.
They AREN'T Muslims. Murder and suicide are forbidden in Islam, and yet terrorists target the innocent and suicide bomb themselves doing so. No matter what they LABEL themselves, they don't follow Muslim beliefs. Therefore, they are not Muslims.

Instead, they follow distorted teachings. In Syria, extremism is not only condemned but punished (as in Hamah in the 1980's).

In fact, one man who visited the most conservative of sites (since Lattakia is more Western, and Aleppo is more conservative) stated clearly that unlike others in the region, the Mosques in Aleppo did not say "raise your arms" but rather "anyone in possesion of weapons will be punished".

And the mere fact, and PROOF, that it isn't Islam is the fact that out of 1.2 billion Muslims, a vast majority aren't terrorists, have no intention of becoming terrorists, and do not support terrorism.

right, christians don't want that. Sandy wouldn't want that.
So why would Muslims?

Sandy, you're profiling Muslims!
Besides, a true Christian wouldn't support Israel. A true Christian wouldn't allow gays. And a true Christian would be against abortion. I think the problem with Christians like Buffalo is that they are torn between two factions: American or Christian? Because, supposedly America stands for freedom but there cannot be freedom within Christianity, or at least not the level of freedom as American liberals would want.

Sandy, you're profiling Muslims!
Besides, a true Christian wouldn't support Israel. A true Christian wouldn't allow gays. And a true Christian would be against abortion. I think the problem with Christians like Buffalo is that they are torn between two factions: American or Christian? Because, supposedly America stands for freedom but there cannot be freedom within Christianity, or at least not the level of freedom as American liberals would want.

Exactly!

Sandy what about those funimentilists who blow up abortion clinics?
and have you NEVER herd of Northan Irland? The IRA, the UFF (is that the right acronim for the prodistant side?)

The scum who blow up abortion clinics or anything else, are tracked down and turned in, charged tried, convicted, and sent to prison, or sentenced to death...Timothy McVeah.

I don't agree with the Abortion Policy in this country, but I don't believe in Killing Doctors who preform abortions or blowing up clinics, and killing people who work in them, terrorism in terrorism, Islamic inspired or Radical Fundamentalist.

The Mothers of Ireland finally got fed up with watching their loved ones die and they took a stand against the violence, and they forced a end to it, they said enough revenge killing for thing's a century old, and the women stopped the civil war.

Now what have the Moslems done to stop the violence emanating from their religion?

The only Moslem BBHN, that has condemn the targeting of civilians out of hand, is Zakariya, every one else uses moral relativism or the right to revenge to excuse it, or we shouldn't have been there in the first place, or what ever, but they don't come out and condemn it as the act of murder it is, suicide bombings against innocents, Iraqis, Jews, the WTC, by Moslems on Jihad is murder, not Shadeed, not Jihad, it is suicide and murder, and doubly dammed so, when the only targets are civilians just trying to feed their families, or bring a little joy into the lives of their children.

The scum who blow up abortion clinics or anything else, are tracked down and turned in, charged tried, convicted, and sent to prison, or sentenced to death...Timothy McVeah.

I don't agree with the Abortion Policy in this country, but I don't believe in Killing Doctors who preform abortions or blowing up clinics, and killing people who work in them, terrorism in terrorism, Islamic inspired or Radical Fundamentalist.

The Mothers of Ireland finally got fed up with watching their loved ones die and they took a stand against the violence, and they forced a end to it, they said enough revenge killing for thing's a century old, and the women stopped the civil war.

Now what have the Moslems done to stop the violence emanating from their religion?

The only Moslem BBHN, that has condemn the targeting of civilians out of hand, is Zakariya, every one else uses moral relativism or the right to revenge to excuse it, or we shouldn't have been there in the first place, or what ever, but they don't come out and condemn it as the act of murder it is, suicide bombings against innocents, Iraqis, Jews, the WTC, by Moslems on Jihad is murder, not Shadeed, not Jihad, it is suicide and murder, and doubly dammed so, when the only targets are civilians just trying to feed their families, or bring a little joy into the lives of their children.


Open your eyes, there are plenty of Muslim Americans who are against the terrorism.

"BBHN"

Whatsit mean, BR?

Open your eyes, there are plenty of Muslim Americans who are against the terrorism.

Then make a clear and concise statement that suicide bombing it is not being Martyr, or Shadeed, and that targeting innocent civilians be they Jews, Iraqis or any other race, as murder most foul, and their is no excuse for it in Jihad, or any other action.

there are also pleanty of people who could be classifide as terriousts only they are called MURDERES because they are not muslims. Its an artifical title

Then make a clear and concise statement that suicide bombing it is not being Martyr, or Shadeed, and that targeting innocent civilians be they Jews, Iraqis or any other race, as murder most foul, and their is no excuse for it in Jihad, or any other action.

I already have. Have you not heard me condemn alqaeda and all those stupid terrorist militia groups? I am against anyone who kills the innocent, regardless of what the innocent may be in terms of race or religion or whatever. The only group which I do not condemn is Hesbollah, because of their goal: defense of Lebanon and liberation of Palestine. All the others are RELIGIOUS and therefore I do NOT support them. Well, maybe a lil support for Hamas, but I don't agree with all they do even though they have the right to fight for their land back.

there are also pleanty of people who could be classifide as terriousts only they are called MURDERES because they are not muslims. Its an artifical title

The reason they are called murderers is because they are arrested, charged tried and convicted, and sentenced, show me where such is the case in the Insurgence, Radical Islam, the Intifaddah, they are called Martyrs, and addressed as Shedeed, Blessed Ones, as I have said the only one who has stood up and condemned suicide bombings is Zakariya, no excuses, no Martyr, no Seheed, his statement is that it is murder and not Jihad.

Let see the rest of the Moslems here say it in such plain terms.

Zakariya04
And then came the Amazing Bell (4,640 posts)
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“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.

Hmm Israeli has a nuclear city? ”

well this latest sucide attack was disgusting and evil and anything else bad you can think to say.. Any loss of inncoent life is a dispicable!!

there are also pleanty of people who could be classifide as terriousts only they are called MURDERES because they are not muslims. Its an artifical title

Indeed. See, We once used to call el salvadorean death squads rebels and freedom fighters, not terrorists.

and now, we can call democratic regimes, dictatorships and dictatorships Democratic regime.

"The word terrorism is a plague on society..."-Robert Fisk.

I already have. Have you not heard me condemn alqaeda and all those stupid terrorist militia groups? I am against anyone who kills the innocent, regardless of what the innocent may be in terms of race or religion or whatever. The only group which I do not condemn is Hesbollah, because of their goal: defense of Lebanon and liberation of Palestine. All the others are RELIGIOUS and therefore I do NOT support them. Well, maybe a lil support for Hamas, but I don't agree with all they do even though they have the right to fight for their land back.

So because it is in your interest you do condone suicide bombings, when it is convent to your political or religious purpose.

The only group which I do not condemn is Hesbollah, because of their goal: defense of Lebanon and liberation of Palestine.

Nice hypocritical, stance, its OK for your side but all others are wrong.

Sandy what about those funimentilists who blow up abortion clinics?
and have you NEVER herd of Northan Irland? The IRA, the UFF (is that the right acronim for the prodistant side?)
See first page of this nonsense.;)
By the way I think UFF is the most recently prefered term, it's also known as the UDA. :)

So because it is in your interest you do condone suicide bombings, when it is convent to your political or religious purpose.



Nice hypocritical, stance, its OK for your side but all others are wrong.

Sides? I am against all suicide bombings, Hesbollah or not, but as for resistance, Hesbollah actually has a morally just goal and therefore I do generally support them. Although I've said earlier, I don't always agree with their methods, but am not against their resistance.

Sides? I am against all suicide bombings, Hesbollah or not, but as for resistance, Hesbollah actually has a morally just goal and therefore I do generally support them. Although I've said earlier, I don't always agree with their methods, but am not against their resistance.

Still equivocating, if Hezbullah does it you will still support it, you don't like it but you will look the other way, So because it is in your interest you do condone suicide bombings, when it is convent to your political or religious purpose, totally hypocritical.

That's where you're wrong. When Hesbollah does it, I AM against it. I only support them politically and only militarily when they fight mano y mano. Otherwise, no.

That's where you're wrong. When Hesbollah does it, I AM against it. I only support them politically and only militarily when they fight mano y mano. Otherwise, no.

Your still supporting a Islamic Organization that uses suicide bombing as part of its tactical and strategic planning options, support of any part of a organization that uses these tactic is support of all of its tactics.

The only time they fought Mano y Mano, was when the Israelis had them trapped like rats in their holes.

Showers of Katyusha rockets, against civilian cities, from the shield of innocent Lebanese civilians in Lebanon, isn't Mano y Mano.

It's a political organization. I support their GOALS not their methods.

And the only time the Israelis fought mano y mano was......oh wait...they never did. They either hide behind you guys, or they hide behind their donated planes.

The Philippines has passed a bill forbidding the media from describing suspected terrorists as Muslims. The problem is with the way the media presents information. 10s sound bits at a time doesn:t leave people with too much info. Also,if the word Muslim is smooshed into that 10s then it had best be intergal to the story. If it is ,then perhaps the story needs to be longer than 10s? But that:s no good because we have to sell a comercial in the next 15s...

There is a huge religous aspect to the war on terrorism in the Philippines and maybe that`s the real story that needs to be told. Once people understand the whole story then the word Muslim needn`t be offered up each time. Maybe it would be better so say: Another irrational religous terrorist chopped the head from some who practises a different form of this primitive sky daddy ideooogy....

Michael

The world needs religion, otherwise we would descend into some liberal, immoral, gay haven, crime-filled piece of crap pop culture.

We have religion now, and we also have all that stuff. Religion doesn't change anything for the better, if it did, there would be no child-raping priests.

We have religion now, and we also have all that stuff. Religion doesn't change anything for the better, if it did, there would be no child-raping priests.

Wrong. In highly religious areas, you DON'T have that stuff. In very athiest areas, such as New York, you do.
Religion teaches more family and conservative values, and is against all that crap that is ruining our society. An athiest society would not have qualms about breaking ethics or being some maniac, full body-piercing freak.

There is nothing immoral about creating a decorative hole in your own body.

Wrong. In highly religious areas, you DON'T have that stuff. In very athiest areas, such as New York, you do.
Religion teaches more family and conservative values, and is against all that crap that is ruining our society. An athiest society would not have qualms about breaking ethics or being some maniac, full body-piercing freak.

Admittedly Spidergoat seems to have severe issues and is somewhat sheltered but New York is not an Atheist city.

Tell that to the countless parents who disagree. And yes, there is. Earrings are ok (except when men where them) but otherwise, it's stupid and wrong.

Esp for the people who tattoo their entire bodies, and then pierce their noses AND bellies and who knows what else, and then go out late night listening to shit music while doing drugs and getting into trouble, and persuading young children to follow in their steps.

Is that moral?

Admittedly Spidergoat seems to have severe issues and is somewhat sheltered but New York is not an Atheist city.

It sure as hell isn't religious. Religion is nearly dead in America. Sure, people CALL themselves Christians, but half of them don't know the first thing about Christianity and don't follow Christian practices or principles.

It sure as hell isn't religious. Religion is nearly dead in America. Sure, people CALL themselves Christians, but half of them don't know the first thing about Christianity and don't follow Christian practices or principles.

I have to agree with this. I cannot recognise Christianity in the US from what I have seen in India. Its like a completely different religion.

It sure as hell isn't religious. Religion is nearly dead in America. Sure, people CALL themselves Christians, but half of them don't know the first thing about Christianity and don't follow Christian practices or principles.

In New York City you can see five different houses of worhip- including Jewish, Christian and Muslim withing a few blocks of eachother. No one bothers anyone, religion is far from dead in America but you have the freedom to choose. If every city was like New York there would be no more persecution based on being different.

That isn't what I mean. I mean, even the religious in New York, whether they be Christian or Muslim or Jewish, don't even follow their own principles and most don't even know the first thing about their religion (primarily Christians)

I dont understand. Is the problem that they get along?

No, what? I think I made it clear. Even in areas of the US that only have one religion, the people aren't really religious.

Even in New York, my point is even the Christians and whatever, they don't follow Christian principles but they label themselves Christians.

This has nothing to do with how they interact with other religions, just how they act.

No, what? I think I made it clear. Even in areas of the US that only have one religion, the people aren't really religious.

Even in New York, my point is even the Christians and whatever, they don't follow Christian principles but they label themselves Christians.

This has nothing to do with how they interact with other religions, just how they act.

Do you just want everyone to be Muslim? How should religious people act? You should familiarize yourself on the differences between being religious and being a fanatic.

Do you just want everyone to be Muslim? How should religious people act? You should familiarize yourself on the differences between being religious and being a fanatic.

Why would I want everyone to be Muslim?

Religious people should act according to their religion. People that go out, do drugs, get pierced and tattooed, hang out with gays, act like bums and then call themselves "Christians" are obviously stupidasses.

People make mistakes and sometimes they hurt themselves. Is better to hurt yourself and learn from it then take others with you.

People make mistakes and sometimes they hurt themselves. Is better to hurt yourself and learn from it then take others with you.

That was so random, I don't get how that ties into what we are talking about.

Tis so sad really. "terrorism" is the new"communism". Both hyped in Western media to be the evil demonic bogeyman, thus swaying the public to support fascist measures and curtailing personal freedoms.

The comments on this board absolutely confirm that.

Withdraw Western troops and direct intervention and meddeling from the Middle East, negotiate a sovereign Palistinian homeland, and what we see today as 'terrorism" would dissapear. By and large.

Wrong. In highly religious areas, you DON'T have that stuff. In very atheist areas, such as New York, you do.This isn't true. Under strict atheist Chinese Communism people were very conservative and crime was very low.

What your talking about is living under an ideal of freedom or fear. With freedom you will have the unscrupulous being criminal under fear they may be held in check but all of society is stunted as well.

Medieval Christianity is indeed dead in America. Religion now in the USA is more like polytheistic religion during the 3rd century BCE - 2nd century CE Grecian and Roman Empires. There's a lot of choice and theisms compete with one anther to garnish parishioners. New cults pop into and out of existence.

This isn't true. Under strict atheist Chinese Communism people were very conservative and crime was very low.


You have got to be kidding.:confused:

Have you heard of the Great Leap Forward, that killed between 14 to 40 million people?

Yes, that's true, but that was part of the Revolution and isn't what I was refering too - after the Great Leap Backwards and all the dust settled we have what? 40 years of Communist rule and during this time an Atheist China was a very safe and conservative place.

There were lots of rules, lots of guards, lots of poor people but not a lot of petty crime, not a lot of illegal drugs, not a lot of prostitution and Chinese people were conservative.

Nothing like they are now.

Surely you don't think a beleif in Xenu is needed to maintain social morals??!?! I think a beleif in the State can EASILY replace a beleif in Gods or Aliens. There really is no need for a Religious beleif.

Anyway, screw social morality. If you aren't huring the people next to you and you are not teaching other people to be bigots and you're just living your life - I say then, Live and Let Live. What's wrong with a person having a pierced klitt, tattooed teeth, blood red-contacts and listening death-punk-metal? Who are they harming???

Japan was a nice place too, after a nuclear bomb.

So was America, after the native Americans were appropriately subdued.

Since when did genocide become a requirement for stability?

Native Americans are alive and well. Many live on reservations all over the country. Many own/operate casinos bringing in millions of dollars.

Native Americans are alive and well. Many live on reservations all over the country. Many own/operate casinos bringing in millions of dollars.

So your point is...what? That we can pretend nothing bad ever happened or that it wasn't a genocide (using the famous proof of "casinos ⇒ ¬genocide)? Americans still are alive and well and thriving after the 9/11 attacks, so I guess everything is cool on the terrorism front too. Let's not forget that Jews exist too, so I guess the Holocaust was not a genocide either.

We're not "subduing" Native American Indians. They're alive, around, and doing well. We're not doing anything against them. My generation didn't do anything bad to them so I'm not taking personal responsibility for anything involving them.

Don't even start to compare that to 911. Demonic muslim terrorists are alive and well living among us just waiting for the word to attack.:(

We're not "subduing" Native American Indians. They're alive, around, and doing well. We're not doing anything against them. My generation didn't do anything bad to them so I'm not taking personal responsibility for anything involving them.

Don't even start to compare that to 911. Demonic muslim terrorists are alive and well living among us just waiting for the word to attack.:(

cept alot of them are living in poverty

Yes, that's true, but that was part of the Revolution and isn't what I was refering too - after the Great Leap Backwards and all the dust settled we have what? 40 years of Communist rule and during this time an Atheist China was a very safe and conservative place.

There were lots of rules, lots of guards, lots of poor people but not a lot of petty crime, not a lot of illegal drugs, not a lot of prostitution and Chinese people were conservative.

Nothing like they are now.

Surely you don't think a beleif in Xenu is needed to maintain social morals??!?! I think a beleif in the State can EASILY replace a beleif in Gods or Aliens. There really is no need for a Religious beleif.

Anyway, screw social morality. If you aren't huring the people next to you and you are not teaching other people to be bigots and you're just living your life - I say then, Live and Let Live. What's wrong with a person having a pierced klitt, tattooed teeth, blood red-contacts and listening death-punk-metal? Who are they harming???

Who are crack users harming? Oh wait......their practice is disgusting and stupid, just like the one you mentioned.

We need a nice culture, not something stupid which will lead to a no-morality society.

Since when did genocide become a requirement for stability?I never said it did. I said that religion is not needed for a conservatively moral society. beleif in Xenu is simply not a prerequisite and a beleif in the State can act in the same way. In the USA the Constitution is almost a Religious artifact to some people.

Anyway, the fact is, 1980s Atheist China was a morally conservative nation. So History, and not a long one at that, provides us with an example so yes it is possible to have an atheistic society that remains conservative, has low crime, low drug use, low number of "tattooed and pierced God only knows where" people use ... etc...

Case closed,
Michael

Japan was a nice place too, after a nuclear bombJapan was a very nice place before WWII as well.

So was America, after the native Americans were appropriately subdued. It was probably nicer before the natives were "subdued".

Who are crack users harming? Oh wait......their practice is disgusting and stupid, just like the one you mentioned.

We need a nice culture, not something stupid which will lead to a no-morality society.A you suggesting smoking crack = international lawyer who has a Prince Albert and listens to death metal??

I simply disagree...

Anyway, Iran has the highest percentage of heroine users (due to it's being right next to Afghanistan) and I certainly don't think one could argue it's an Atheistic State?

Yes, but are those people shunned or encouraged?

What do you mean by YES? DO you think a crack smoking whore is the same as an international successful lawyer???

Who is the better person: A lesbian tattooed bull-dyke who love to listen to Satan death metal BUT invented a cure for diabetes OR a pious Muslim who sits in the Mosque and prays to God everyday but other than that hasn't done anything of note in their entire life?

Feds/TIA security busted some POS for hiding a box cutter in a book. Benjamin Baines Jr., 21, of FL, hollowed out the inside of the book "Fear Itself" to hide the cutter. His other books: "Muhammad in the Bible," "The Prophet's Prayer" and "The Noble Qur'an", the Quran, and the Bible had no cutters. He also had rap lyrics that referred to police, narcotics, weapons and killing. :eek:

http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/20/man-airport-had-box-cutter-hidden-book/

Religion of peace my @ss. :(

The Philippines has passed a bill forbidding the media from describing suspected terrorists as Muslims. So it would be illegal to tell the truth. :(
A Muslim congressman introduced it and also threw in the word "Christian" to appease the masses.

The Phil gov is using its power to "end the stereotyping of Muslims as kidnappers, drug pushers and terrorists." So now its the government's role to make it illegal to tell the truth? :(

I know, I know, not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists seem to be muslims.

http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=1585

Our liberal media won't call them muslims and we don't even have a law forbidding it. :rolleyes:


its the same in the uk Sandy now, gordon brown has mentioned it to his entire cabinet to do the same, its all PC bullshit, all it does is sweep it under the carpet, the only way you deal with problems is looking at it, by generalising it to the whole population, there is no way of fixing the problem, it just looks like where all terroists.

It has been going on in indonesia for years, with reports of christians & muslims fighting eachother, the reality is its christians defending themselves, there is no tribal beliefs or revenge in christianity, i have seen muslim mothers threatening death to christians in indonesia, you know it does not matter how many times the trains are blown up in london, you will never see the day a uk mum will spit such venom about murder from her mouth, forgiveness you might here, but murderous intent no way.

What i am saying when women in islam say such things it shows how deep the violence is embedded in islam, violence is never the answer, the law is responsible for crimes, not muslims, muslims need to respect the law & stop taking the law into there own hands, they have a very tribal mentality.

...the law is responsible for crimes, not muslims, muslims need to respect the law & stop taking the law into there own hands, they have a very tribal mentality.

I agree with most of what you said. By "law" do you mean the Koran? Or the law of the land? If Muslims refused to obey the Koran's command(s) to kill, what would happen? Would they be denounced, shamed, or punished?:confused:

Or would the world just become a safer, more peaceful place?

I agree with most of what you said. By "law" do you mean the Koran? Or the law of the land? If Muslims refused to obey the Koran's command(s) to kill, what would happen? Would they be denounced, shamed, or punished?:confused:

Or would the world just become a safer, more peaceful place?

I mean the law of the land, but if that law is sharia law then forget it, sharia law is barbaric with a eye for a eye mentality, & a mans word being worth the word of 2 women or children & thats pathetic too, since when is a man more honest than a woman, & especially in rape claims, how on earth do you believe the mans word more than the womans, all is equal under western law regardless of sex, shiara law is male chauvinistic nonesense, with tribal mentality with medievil overtones of our burning witches.

as for muslims refusing to obey the korans commands on killing, they way they shout this jihaad word about its almost its there divine right to kill, cartoons, jihaad, jihaad, western freedom of speach jihaad, jihaad, its like they dont have to have a real reason for jihaads now, anything we say about muslims is a jihaad.

I find the very word jihaad disgusting, its the same as me saying i am fucking crazy and i am going to kill you for no reason.

What do you mean by YES? DO you think a crack smoking whore is the same as an international successful lawyer???

Who is the better person: A lesbian tattooed bull-dyke who love to listen to Satan death metal BUT invented a cure for diabetes OR a pious Muslim who sits in the Mosque and prays to God everyday but other than that hasn't done anything of note in their entire life?

The second

Before you go "doing things", be a good person.

I do believe that some terrorists can be terrorists. But Christian terrorists really cant back up their terrorism with biblical scriptures, therefore, they are not truly Christians. For example, where can good old Fred Phelps find scriptures telling him to boycott funerals. Where can the IRA find scriptures that tell them to kill? Those kind of scriptures just aren't found in the bible. But lets spend a moment looking at the Koran:
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

There are many many more, search Google for Koranic scriptures promoting terrorism. Clearly Islam, when followed to the T of the Koran is a dangerous belief. Not that the Bible is perfect, but I don't know where there are scriptures like these in the bible...

Skaught, those have been refuted here: http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1756109&postcount=208

if you dont see the verse there, paste it here and ill have a look.

Also, you may do well to notice that no Muslim here has posted the violent verses from the Bible as promoted on many anti-Christian websites, yet Christians and non-Christians freely copy and paste whatever BS they like to spout about Islam.

Feel free to copy and paste the many violent verses from the bible that you may find. Why is it that Jews and Christians seem to have the ability to look at those scriptures as outdated and not abide by them, but so many Muslims are obviously still taking the Koran so seriously? Why cant people like Bin Laden and his cronie toads look past those outdated and hateful scriptures from the Koran. You have to admit that there are many more Muslim terrorists than there are Christian and Jewish terrorists. Why is that???

First of all, I wont do that. I know its a sacred book for others and Im not going to villify the teachings of Moses and Jesus. They are great Prophets. Secondly, you seem under the assumption that Bin Laden is a proper Muslim instead of, as Michael said of those Buddhists acting like terrorists, just an asshole.

skaught: "You have to admit that there are many more Muslim terrorists than there are Christian and Jewish terrorists."

No I don't. Christians and Jews involved in inflammatory occupations today have no less innocent blood on their hands than Muslim terrorists. Whether or not we wear uniforms has nothing meaningful to do with the bloody results of organized violence against the innocent.

You do have a point. And I apologize if I offended you. But, what I still don't understand, is why is it that there are so many more Muslim Terrorists than Christian or Jewish Terrorists. Why do so many Muslims resort to suicide bombing, why is it that we hear so often of Muslims doing this?

I do thank you for showing respect to our Prophets, I should have extended the same respect to Mohammad. From here forward, know that I do respect the Koran, I own a copy and have it on top of my book shelf.

skaught: "what I still don't understand, is why is it that there are so many more Muslim Terrorists than Christian or Jewish Terrorists."

Where do you see Christians and Jews being invaded and occupied?

It's because they have a martyrdom complex. They think if they die for their religion, they will be rewarded greatly in heaven.

hypewaders, What is an "inflammatory occupation". And what kind of "inflammatory occupations" are Christians and Jews involved in?

There is nothing organized about violence!

These terrorists, the real ones, are not seen as Muslim either by a the vast majoirty of the Muslims. Unfortunately, the media will always put Muslim in front of terrorirsts to create this image.

Why do you feel the Media would do this?

skaught: "What is an "inflammatory occupation"

Palestine/Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan are some examples.

"And what kind of "inflammatory occupations" are Christians and Jews involved in?"

Predominately Christian and Jewish countries are imposing these occupations.

"There is nothing organized about violence!"

9-11 was organized. The invasion of Iraq was organized. The Holocaust was organized. The conquest of Palestine was organized.

Why do you think Jewish and Christian countries are imposing these operations?

spidergoat: "It's because they have a martyrdom complex. They think if they die for their religion, they will be rewarded greatly in heaven."

This facile reference to the intangible completely ignores the tangible: Suicide-murderers most often emerge from deplorable circumstances. If you focus on the pie-in-the-sky aspect to ignore the shit-on-the-ground, you can't see the whole picture.

Skaught: "Why do you think Jewish and Christian countries are imposing these operations?"

I don't think of them as Jewish and Christian countries, although the more people get at each others' throats, the more ethnic differences and bigotry surfaces. The underlying reasons for the present culture war are not cultural, and not religious. They are the product of injustice, and a cycle of political violence. In the particular case of the United States, we have chosen sides in several overlapping regional conflicts. Setting aside the Palestinian question, we have chosen the side of repressive regimes across the Arab World for business reasons, even as there is a building revolutionary pressure that can only hope to organize under present tyrants within the sanctuary of religion.

It's still true. There are plenty of people in deplorable circumstances, but they don't succomb to the lure of false promises in heaven through religious suicide. Religion is the only reason there are suicide bombers.

But you just said earlier that they were Jewish and Christian countries...
"They are the product of injustice, and a cycle of political violence."
Injustice towards who? and from who?

...Christians and non-Christians freely copy and paste whatever BS they like to spout about Islam.

That's because we're not the ones sawing off people's heads, blowing ourselves/innocent people/property up into oblivion. We're not the ones wreaking
havoc all over the world on a daily basis. The latest offerings from the "religion of peace":
2/21/2008 (Afgoi, Somalia) - Islamic militias assassinate a government official.
2/21/2008 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Religious extremists kill a local policeman in a roadside bombing attack.
2/20/2008 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - A woman and a 6-year-old child are taken out by a suicide bomber at municipal office.
2/20/2008 (Balad, Iraq) - Jihadis kill three children playing soccer near a US base.
2/20/2008 (Muqdadiyah, Iraq) - Seven civilians are killed when a suicide bomber detonates in a marketplace.
2/20/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - Sunni gunmen murder five Iraqis, including one woman.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

...The media will always put Muslim in front of terrorirsts to create this image.

Not here they don't. They give the demonic muslim terrorists a free pass in almost every news account. The only ones who aren't afraid to p!ss the muslims off are the media who are not pc. We don't have to "create" any image. The demonic terrorists do that themselves. :(

spidergoat: "There are plenty of people in deplorable circumstances, but they don't succomb to the lure of false promises in heaven through religious suicide."

We don't often have conditions like occupied Palestine in the USA. The last time such conditions existed was probably when the FBI and ATF surrounded the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.

Skaught: "But you just said earlier that they were Jewish and Christian countries..."

Not quite. Here's what I said in context (post # 102):

skaught: "What is an "inflammatory occupation"

Palestine/Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan are some examples.

"And what kind of "inflammatory occupations" are Christians and Jews involved in?"

Predominately Christian and Jewish countries are imposing these occupations.



[Terrorists] are the product of injustice, and a cycle of political violence.

"Injustice towards who? and from who?"

There are several overlapping conflicts afflicting the Arab and Muslim worlds: Domineering US support for oppressive Mideast regimes. Israeli domination over Palestinians. Sunni domination of Arab Shi'a. In the USA, we've managed to get ourselves deeply involved in all of this and more.

sandy: "we're not the ones sawing off people's heads, blowing ourselves/innocent people/property up into oblivion."

We just do it with different equipment, and on a larger scale.

sandy: "we're not the ones sawing off people's heads, blowing ourselves/innocent people/property up into oblivion."

We just do it with different equipment, and on a larger scale.

Bull. We don't behave like wild, rabid animals. We seldom even strike back when provoked/attacked. Thank God we did this last time. We need to put this terrorism crisis down once and for all.

sandy: "We seldom even strike back when provoked/attacked."

When we take out an apartment block, it's through the consent of our entire society. When we shoot up a busy traffic circle, it's through the consent of our nation. When a terrorist does the same, it's without any authority: A criminal matter, and not the jurisdiction of resented foreign occupying armies, that can only stir up more of the same.

"We need to put this terrorism crisis down once and for all."

Amen, sister. Let's bring our troops home, let recognized international cops and courts do their work, and go about our lives again.