Usama Bin Laden is seen as a terrorist by the average Joe , the same goes for Abu Sayaf , Hamas , Hizbollah , Islamic Hihad etc etc etc .

But why are these people terrorists ?

Terrorist simply points to a hostile person/group , and it goes through ceveral fases of identification before the word "terrorist" is used .

What would a guy have to do or be to become a terrorist ?
R there any rules to begin with , or are these identification processes simply randomly (unconsciously) chosen from millions of possibility , with the only demand of "fitting in" with the rest of picture . And when this term was re-introduced on 9-11 , Joe average saw a picture of a "terrorist" : He was Arab , Muslim , and didnt like jews or amerikans .

And there u have it , ur terrorist . So the rule becomes , if u r like UBL on various levels(look/act/smell?) , u must be a terrorist ?
Ofcourse this is getting a problem with other peoples who rnt liked , and dont look like Usama , like Jung Ill for instance .

Then the axis of evil is created , to understand the terroristic outcome of a nation , who becomes a state that support terror .

And on it goes the list of motives for people being terrorists and terrorists being bad people .

Ofcourse its pretty difficult for those who are manipulated and are manipulating their own system , to identify and define Terrorism .

Let me define terrorism : When a group/person organizes themselves to revolt against the opression of the hostile state , they are called terrorists .

Its pretty simple , as long as these groups are the enemies of the states of Israel and Amerika , they r terrorists , since it is Israel and Amrika that (re)invented the word , and applying it .

Its because they scare Amerika and Israel , since Terrorist means nothing more than Terror-Ist(Applier) . A terrorist can only be called Terrorist by the one who feels Terrorized .

But what would be the outcome of a sincere "Terror" measurement , bitween the 100 m amerikans and 200 m Arabs ?
would the psychological terror born on 9-11 be bigger than the physical terror born in '48

So who is the TerrorIst here ?

I know i would be called a terrorist(supporter) , and as long as its by the people who are responsible for this terror they can so greatly define , im happy to be your terrorist .

Its very interesting to know how Amerikans feel about this , since it is them everybody is pointing at , and in the Arab world tahts been happening for the last 50 years .

Do u consider urself to be terrorists , because u terrorize and have terrorized about the entire planet , politically/economically/military/genocidical .

Or is it just a cry for help when feeling that ur final day has come ?
Havent u heard of how it ends with great empires ?

and do not forget, US is trained Osama to be a terorist.. He was a good guy working for US when he was terrorising in Russia but became a terrorist when he did the same stuff in america..

soo, terorist means in america; PEOPLE WHO GIVE HARM TO AMERICAN AND ISREALI PEOPLE..

believe me, they truely believe it..:cool:

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

Let me define terrorism : When a group/person organizes themselves to revolt against the opression of the hostile state , they are called terrorists .



Terrorism is when person or army invokes fear in a population by
"shocking and awing".

americas tactic of "shock and awe" (which basically means send a couple of fighter jets to bomb entire areas just for a few terrorists) display their complete cowardice in ground milatry operations.

imagine ther was ONE resistence fighter in a house amongst a busy urban area that was shooting at American troops, america would never go in with soldiers to kill that person, they;re too scared, they'd call for backup and destory the entire area just for that one guy.

a country like that will one day meet its match. sincere mujahadeen will never accept defeat and when that day comes when America faces a huge army of mujahdeen they will lose no doubt, inshAllah.

jesus was a terrorist :mad:

as an american i oppose a ton of our foriegn policy and get branded as a terrorist supporter.. i'll certainly defend jesus anyday, and stand against the corporate elite.. after i get illegally locked up for peacefully protesting, will i be barred from leaving this country? will americans be welcome in other countries when america turns into a full blown military dictatorship?

Terrorism: The action of a non-state organization to intentionally harm or kill innocent people in order to further a political cause.

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As defined by the FBI, "the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in the furtherance of political or social objectives". This definition includes three elements: (1) Terrorist activities are illegal and involve the use of force. (2) The actions are intended to intimidate or coerce. (3) The actions are committed in support of political or social objectives. (FEMA-SS)
www.mema.domestic-preparedness.net/glossary.html

Jesus was not a terrorist, he never killed anyone, and his objectives were not political.

he was labeled a terrorist against the roman church and crucified.

the 'state' doesnt need physical violence to label someone a terrorist

Terrorism: The action of a non-state organization to intentionally harm or kill innocent people in order to further a political cause.


It seems the common definition of terrorism has changed to include state organizations. We hear so much about various "terrorist states" even though the US themselves can be an example. To fight the democratically elected Nicaragua government the US CIA mined all of the harbours around that country, to sink commercial ships trying to supply the basic items to the country, a deliberate premeditated attempt to murder innocent people and terriorize the supply routes into Nicaragua. The US was fined 17 million dollars by a world court and as usual they refuse to pay when they lose an international legal ruling. So it's a case of "terrorism is horrrible unless we are the ones doing it". It encouraging that many Americans do object, but they have always been outnumbered by the masses.

americas tactic of "shock and awe" (which basically means send a couple of fighter jets to bomb entire areas just for a few terrorists) display their complete cowardice in ground milatry operations.

imagine ther was ONE resistence fighter in a house amongst a busy urban area that was shooting at American troops, america would never go in with soldiers to kill that person, they;re too scared, they'd call for backup and destory the entire area just for that one guy.

a country like that will one day meet its match. sincere mujahadeen will never accept defeat and when that day comes when America faces a huge army of mujahdeen they will lose no doubt, inshAllah.

The Japanese said they would never accept defeat too.

americas tactic of "shock and awe" (which basically means send a couple of fighter jets to bomb entire areas just for a few terrorists) display their complete cowardice in ground milatry operations.

imagine ther was ONE resistence fighter in a house amongst a busy urban area that was shooting at American troops, america would never go in with soldiers to kill that person, they;re too scared, they'd call for backup and destory the entire area just for that one guy.

a country like that will one day meet its match. sincere mujahadeen will never accept defeat and when that day comes when America faces a huge army of mujahdeen they will lose no doubt, inshAllah.

Delusion has finally set in... WE could destroy your kind with a blink of an eye..... but keep preacing preacher , just dont blink.

WE could destroy your kind with a blink of an eye

With that kind of thinking, I would say the "we" end of that statement is always looking for a fight.

Delusion has finally set in... WE could destroy your kind with a blink of an eye..... but keep preacing preacher , just dont blink.

That "Delusion" has kept America on red alert for the last three years - don't underestimate it

he was labeled a terrorist against the roman church and crucified.

the 'state' doesnt need physical violence to label someone a terrorist

The Roman Church didn't give a fuck about Jesus. The Jews didn't like him for claiming he'd destroy and rebuild the temple, and the Romans didn't like him for stirring up the Jews, but the Roman Church didn't give a fuck about the rantings of a fringe prophet in the asshole of the empire.

And yeah, I've heard how it ends with great empires. Y'all should know. Five hundred years ago, Islam was riding high. Now, Muslim countries are the asshole of the world. And I know ... that's our fault. When y'all commit atrocities, it's 'cause you're oppressed. When we commit them, it's 'cause we're infidels. Same shit, different day. Why is that the more I come into contact with Islam, the more I lose respect for Islam?

If y'all want to blame the shitty condition of the Arab world on somebody, how's about you start with your own governments? Sure, the Europeans fucked you over. They also fucked Southeast Asia over, and Hong Kong, Taiwan, and South Korea didn't sit on their asses, blaming it on the ever-present Yid scapegoat. Y'all did, and as a result, the Islamlic world's regressed into a repressed, hateful self-parody.

The question is, can a subset X of set A, where A is a subset of {all of homo sapiens}, can X be used to pass a general statement about A?

Unless you're blinded by ad hominem rage, you might venture a 'no'.

Jesus was not a terrorist, he never killed anyone, and his objectives were not political.

true, the stories written about jesus say nothing about killing (by his hands) but not political? GIVE ME A BREAK! the whole story is about politics. The bible is a frigg'n political, campaign guide book. The new testement could have been titled, "How To Mold a Campaign: An Underdog's Guide".

Delusion has finally set in... WE could destroy your kind with a blink of an eye..... but keep preacing preacher , just dont blink.
Are you George Bush incognito... trolling the forums looking to see how the Americans will vote? Because that is something only Bush would say. :rolleyes:

Well Terrorist is an idiot term. By the logic they push, it seems that the American Revolutionaries were terrorists, ie - fighters without the backing of a state.

A terrorist is defined by the people who are being terrorised.

Islamics terrorise the West.

America terrorise the Middle East

Jesus was no more a terrorist that Winnie the Pooh. They are both fictional characters. But that's off-topic.
If, by blowing seven shades of shit out of some mudhut village full of Jawas to get at one suspected terrorist, saves just one life in a free country, or prevents the death of another innocent civillian, then so be it.
You can't make an omlette without blowing up a few Muslims.

Praise Alan!

The Flemster.

My definition of terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against a group, person, or nation, for the purpose of intimidating governments. Often for ideological / political reasons.

Unlawful does not apply to international politics. What is illegal for one country may be considered legal in another.

It seems the common definition of terrorism has changed to include state organizations. We hear so much about various "terrorist states" even though the US themselves can be an example. To fight the democratically elected Nicaragua government the US CIA mined all of the harbours around that country, to sink commercial ships trying to supply the basic items to the country, a deliberate premeditated attempt to murder innocent people and terriorize the supply routes into Nicaragua. The US was fined 17 million dollars by a world court and as usual they refuse to pay when they lose an international legal ruling. So it's a case of "terrorism is horrrible unless we are the ones doing it". It encouraging that many Americans do object, but they have always been outnumbered by the masses.
In this case, it is not considered terrorism, since there is an established state entity involved. The difference is that the US can be prosecuted, fined, or, if all else fails, attacked in retaliation for their actions. A terrorist organization is more insidious because they remain hidden. There is no public figure to complain too, or negotiate with, or attack. Granted, the US's actions in this case were quite objectionable, but not everything objectionable is terrorism. A blockade is an accepted military tactic. If the US wanted to murder innocent people, it was within their power to simply attack any incoming ship with missiles.

The current definition of terrorist is anyone international organized Jewry deems undesirable.
The future definition of domestic terrorist in America will be anyone resembling America's Founding Fathers, in other words, anyone opposing the New World Order.

Originally posted by Preacher X
americas tactic of "shock and awe" (which basically means send a couple of fighter jets to bomb entire areas just for a few terrorists) display their complete cowardice in ground milatry operations.

If terrorists had such weapons, you don't think they'd use them? Or do they have too much honor? Oh wait, they already used planes on 9/11 to murder thousands of innocent people. Didn't give em any warning, just crashed em right into those towers. And you call American forces cowards... ha.

Orestes, I'm not the first person to make this point, but ... what takes more courage? Dropping bombs mile above a country with no effective air force ... or, sacrificing your life to fly a commercial jet liner into a building?

True, It would take more to sacrifice your life, but my point still stands. These terrorists know what they are doing, as they are people crazed and blinded by they're religious beliefs. I can't imagine the level of hate it takes to crash a plane into a building, knowing you and thousands others will soon die. These are not rational people, and they do not think in terms of right and wrong. They know they have one enemy: the West. At some in they're demented thought process, logic goes right out the window. So, is it courage? Or just unmeasurable rage?

Also, the intent of the bombs dropped by American warplanes is to kill only the enemy, not civilians. Granted, that doesn't always happen, but the U.S. has taken huge measures to make sure the bombs dont cause collateral damage.

Unlawful does not apply to international politics. What is illegal for one country may be considered legal in another.

I am not using unlawful as being against law or illegal, this is the definition im referring to:

"Contrary to accepted morality or convention; illicit."