THE OBAMANATION BEGINS
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CHICAGO--(10 February '07) Senator Barack Hussein Obama's campaign to become President of the United States seems to be getting off to a confused start in Springfield, Illinois. This confusion is amplified by the mainstream media.

We hear from the media that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has a chance to become the first black President. Yet, was it not so long ago that William Jefferson Clinton was spoken of as being our first black President by this same media?

And what of the other Clinton? Hillary Rodham Clinton has her eye on the presidency, as well. There are at least three reasons why she will win the Democratic Party's nomination: she has all the money, the Clinton's still control much of the Democratic Party, and this is her last chance, it's either do it now, or never.

That leaves us with two unanswered questions: Why does Hillary Rodham Clinton want to be President again, and what's in this for Senator Barack Hussein Obama? The answer to the first question is obvious, but the answer to the second could lead to confusion and a Democratic Party defeat.

If Senator Barack Hussein Obama has his eye on being Vice President, that is to share the ticket with Hillary Rodham Clinton, then he'd better reconsider. A Clinton/Obama ticket would never win against a Guiliani/whomever.

So, what is Senator Barack Hussein Obama up to? Perhaps he just likes to confuse things or wants to be seen as a progressive son of Illinois. But that is confusing because we already had a progressive daughter from Illinois run for President. Have we forgotten about Senator Carol Mosely Braun so soon? Perhaps Senator Barack Hussein Obama's ambition is to be just Senator Carol Mosely Braun lite.

We hear also that Senator Barack Hussein Obama wants to build up our military and make America strong again. He also wants to have a new generation spreading freedom across the world, yet he thinks the war that removed the evil dictator Saddam Hussein was a mistake and that we ought to retreat from victory in Iraq. This is certainly confusing.

Senator Barack Hussein Obama wants to bask in the light of Abraham Lincoln, too. How much more confused can you get than that? Lincoln was a state legislator from Illinois who went on to become President, a beleaguered President who fought a difficult civil war to victory. Will someone from the mainstream media please tell Senator Barack Hussein Obama that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican!
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In my humbe opinion, this Obama-Mania will cool off in a few months

Team Hillary will have him messed up real good, unless Team Obama goes on the offensive.

Team Hillary will have him messed up real good, unless Team Obama goes on the offensive.I am sure that's the hope of the republicans & the right.

Hillary hates to lose.

I actually was John Edwards in my Political class and now he is in a race. Obama will loose. Al Gore will win.

Hillary hates to lose.you got that right.
Though she did let her cheating-husband win her over, "sexually" speaking.

you got that right.
Though she did let her cheating-husband win her over, "sexually" speaking.

screw what Presidents do sexually wise, let them fuck anyone they want. Whats more imPortant? Presidents sexually exited humPing girls or dead 10000 soldiers? and more to come from Iran?

It would ALMOST be worth seeing Hillary win just to see Bill as the First Gentleman, I can see him rolling out of bed at noon to meet the Colonel Sanders guy at the door, wave to the cameras and grin, then roll back inside to do what ever he would be doing in there.

And the material, obviously, for the comedians would be too good to be true, unless the comedians are afraid of Bill and Hillary.

Mr. Obama has a chance to run for President, let's hope he makes the best of his chance.

I don't think the mania will fall, I think it will increase. I think he will be the most popular candidate. However, winning elections is not about a popularity contest. It's about organizing powerful interests.

I'm not sure why the author of that article is confused. Obama and Clinton have ambitions to be president. Perhaps the author's intention was to equate "confusion" with those Democratic candidates. I notice several cookiecutter Republican messages:

Don't trust the mainstream media
Clinton pandered to the blacks
Guiliani is the guy to win
Planning to leave Iraq is losing


"Republican" during the time of Lincoln didn't mean the same party as today. Basically, this article is no analysis of the political situation, just a right-wing hack job.

It'll cool off once we realize he is a mulatto and part Moslem.

If there was anyone not going to be elected for office, it's this guy.

I think he'd do pretty well against any Repub, but Hillary is in his way, and she's one mean machine.

HE SPEAKS TO LOUDLY...

he speaks to much about quit and run...

he is to muslim...


i like the guy.


but he will never be president.

not in this world today.


but he can motivate discussion of the issues.

-MT

It'll cool off once we realize he is a mulatto and part Moslem.

If there was anyone not going to be elected for office, it's this guy.

It is a sad reflection when a society that proclaims itself as being democratic, intelligent and forward, fighting for the freedom and rights of all, can only concentrate on the fact that he is a "mulatto" and "part Muslim" in deciding whether he will win or not.

Sad times indeed in the US. Sad but totally expected.

So where are the Black candidates in England, France, or Germany?

Has the U.S. recently had two Black Secretaries of State?

Why do Africans and people from all over the world trip over each other trying to come to America, don't they know how "evil and racist" the U.S. is, are you saying they are stupid? Obviously so.

Bells:

We like to vote in people that represent our majority population: Middle-aged white nominally Christian men.

Powell could have won.

Powell could have won.

Only if the elections had been held at precisely, exactly, the right moment in time. Had there been a long candidate process, he would not have been elected.

It is interesting, as someone mentioned, why nations in Europe, who claim to be so high n' mighty, and completely non-racist, and continue to denigrate Americans for their racism, have NOT ever elected a black to any major elected office. Why y'all think that is? Surely it can't be racism, can it????

Baron Max

Only if the elections had been held at precisely, exactly, the right moment in time. Had there been a long candidate process, he would not have been elected.

It is interesting, as someone mentioned, why nations in Europe, who claim to be so high n' mighty, and completely non-racist, and continue to denigrate Americans for their racism, have NOT ever elected a black to any major elected office. Why y'all think that is? Surely it can't be racism, can it????

Baron Max


To your credit, that's a very interesting point about Europe.

Now it might be due to there being a lot more Europeans in Europe, but it also might be racism.

Have Muslims been elected to national offices in Europe?

Have Muslims been elected to national offices in Europe?

Muslim is not the same as "black". Most people who are black, in Europe or in America, are not Muslim.

In fact, most Muslims are not "black". The majority of Muslims are "arab", the next group "persian", the next group "asian", and "black" ranks somewhere between "asian" and "persian".

Indonesia is a muslim country for example. I can understand people not wanting to elect muslims in office during a sensitive time such as this. However, it makes no sense whatsoever to deliberately avoid electing "black" European christians, or "black" American christians. In my opinion, if the person is christian it should make no difference if they are "black", "white", "yellow", or whatever you want to call them. The religion does matter in my opinion, but the race does not.

I do not think Mr. Obama is a muslim. It's a possibility that he has muslim family members, he is "black", so what? His father came from Africa, so what do you expect?

Mr.Obama however is an American. Even if he were a muslim in the past, he still is American, and therefore can be expected to be loyal to his country, where all his friends and family are. Yes he has family in Africa, I'm sure you have family in Europe, but Mr. Obama is an American first.

So you are right, I'm sure people will try to label him as a muslim, but there is no evidence that he is a muslim right now. Just because someone went to a muslim school in the past it does not mean they are still a muslim 20+ years later.

HE SPEAKS TO LOUDLY...

he speaks to much about quit and run...

he is to muslim...


i like the guy.


but he will never be president.

not in this world today.


but he can motivate discussion of the issues.

-MT

Well, I don't think he will be President in todays world either, but not because he is muslim. I think because he is running in a country that is just too socially conservative to move beyond race. As long as the majority of this country want for racism to exist as an institution, it will exist. Barack Obama will not be able to change the minds of hardcore racists, as we already know, nothing can change the minds of hardcore racists.

Hilary will have problems as well, but at least she will win the liberal white racist vote. Obama will be able to win the youth vote, and maybe the vote of some of the elite/college educated class, but in order to win Presidency you have to win the majority.

The majority are in the south, and west, and these people DO believe in racial hierarchy, among many other things. So while you might have the flex of feminism growing in these areas, the racial consciousness is so strong amongst people of that culture that nothing Obama says will change it.

I think Obama would win if elections were decided by college educated elites in the blue states. I don't think it's possible for Obama to win any of the red states. No matter what people are saying right now, when it comes time to vote, the conservative masses will vote for the least amount of change.

Hilary would bring change, but Hilarys change would be gender equality. Obama would bring change, and I think the youth are ready to vote for him and I honestly think he could win the youth vote, but I do not think he will win the deep old south, or the wild west.

Who ever said that the majority of Euro Muslims are Black?

Has a Muslim ever won national office in Europe?

There aren't as many blacks in Europe, since they didn't have slavery like we did.

Shahid Malik is one of 4 Muslim members of Parliament in the UK.

There are many more Muslims in Europe than in the U.S., and none have run for national office? Very odd.

IF HE WAS a protestant... and didnt talk about quiting.... he could win.

but i hear to much about quit... quit.. quit..

we didnt spend all this money... and allow for so many deaths... just to quit.


i cant say i am pro-war... but since we are there... and weve messed it up... so badly.... we had better fix it.

and i dont see us withdsawing.... ever... we will just pull out to the borders..... and desert bases.

like Korea.

-MT

Read post #25.

I mean running for boss of a Euro country.

I mean running for boss of a Euro country.

so Obama should run to be President of Sweden? hmmm...:bugeye: good idea...

Do you think he could win in supposedly liberal and open-minded Sweden?

Do you think he could win in supposedly liberal and open-minded Sweden?

...you know, too bad. Of course Obama has no chance in Sweden. Look at him...black...and look at Swedish PeoPle...the heritage, lineage...and now a black Person as their ruler...its just beyond laughable.

Could a half black win in England, France, or Germany?

Could a neo-con like Bush win in Europe? Absolutely not.

A half Black could win in the U.S., how 'bout England, France, or Germany?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12396-2005Apr23.html

There are few minority politicians in Europe, but that is changing.

It seems racist attitudes in Europe are greater than in the U.S.

What's your point IAC, is it that since Europe doesn't elect blacks to office that much, it's OK if the US doesn't?

IF HE WAS a protestant... and didnt talk about quiting.... he could win.

but i hear to much about quit... quit.. quit..

we didnt spend all this money... and allow for so many deaths... just to quit.


i cant say i am pro-war... but since we are there... and weve messed it up... so badly.... we had better fix it.

and i dont see us withdsawing.... ever... we will just pull out to the borders..... and desert bases.

like Korea.

-MT


What are we there for?
I don't think you can fix a civil war with military force.

Sure we should keep people there, but not the troops. We can train Iraqi's to police their own country, and keep some people there to rebuild Iraq.

It's not really the expertise of the troops to rebuild countries. We have other groups of NGO's and the like that can build better schools, or help Iraq create a system of governance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12396-2005Apr23.html

There are few minority politicians in Europe, but that is changing.

It's not really about how many anyway.

no... what we have in iraq... is people.. fighting for power.

key word... fighting... and we are one of them.

its not an easy fix...

but... obamas plan to cut and run..... is no plan at all.

-MT

Withdraw from Iraq is a plan.

attack iran is a plan.

my plan: IMpEACH BUSH!

One cannot impeach Bush. He has committed no high crimes nor misdemeanors.

One cannot impeach Bush. He has committed no high crimes nor misdemeanors.

...so its not ok what Nixon did...yet if Bush did the same thing, than its ok? :bugeye:

It is a sad reflection when a society that proclaims itself as being democratic, intelligent and forward, fighting for the freedom and rights of all, can only concentrate on the fact that he is a "mulatto" and "part Muslim" in deciding whether he will win or not.

Sad times indeed in the US. Sad but totally expected.Ironic enough, most Black Americans do not support Obama. Hilary is running 40 points ahead for Black Americans votes. Most Black Americans do not see Obama as "Black" enough.


Michael II

Ironic enough, most Black Americans do not support Obama. Hilary is running 40 points ahead for Black Americans votes. Most Black Americans do not see Obama as "Black" enough.


Michael II

So who do they support Mr. Know it all?

In reality, most of the black vote, and most of the female vote, is always split. This is because both minorities and females will vote for white males more often than white males will vote for minorities and females.

So I'm sure there are plenty of black people who will vote for Hilary, or Guiliani, and yeah you are correct, most black people don't vote for someone just because they look the same as them or are the same gender. The whole identity politics or racial politics seems to be a white male phenomena.

Ask a white male if he will vote for Obama. Whoever wins the white male vote will most likely win, and if Obama can't win that vote, the black vote won't matter anyway because there are way more white males than minorities in this country, black, hispanic or other. The US is 80% white. This means 40% male and 40% of females. 40% of the country is white male, thats a hell of a lot of people.

Yeah, here's a thought, maybe most black people aren't racists.

So who do they support Mr. Know it all?Let me clarify my last post. I read that in Time, it was an article written by a person that happens to be Black and so has a better sense then say me. I hope it didn't come across racist because I'm not.

I would think many Black Americans will support Gore and if not then Hillary. As for me, I support Gore but will probably vote Hillary if Gore doesn't run.


spidergoat,

I suppose it depends on what racism is? Many Black Americans face discrimination almost everyday and they probably would like to see someone in power that understands what that is and can address it. The reason, according to the article, was that Obama wasn't raised in a Black community and wasn't subjected to many of life's problems that many Blacks face. Also, there is a new sense of what it means to be Black emerging in America. Or so the author concluded.

Why use Clinton's first name, when you use Gore and Obama's last?

Why use Clinton's first name, when you use Gore and Obama's last?So as not to confuse with Bill.

Ironic enough, most Black Americans do not support Obama. Hilary is running 40 points ahead for Black Americans votes. Most Black Americans do not see Obama as "Black" enough.


Michael II

if the question is just who is "Black" enough... ofcourse Hil is going to take the cake... she has BET.

Obama is the Great (false) Black Hope. We Republicans would love to beat him, but he won't get the nomination.

He is the same corporate lapdog like any of the candidates from both sides, with the sole exception of Ron Paul.

There is a very good article on Salon.com about his earlier days, when he wasn't so charismatic, but I am too lazy to find the link...

He is the same corporate lapdog like any of the candidates from both sides, with the sole exception of Ron Paul.
I'm wondering why I never heard of him.


Hon. Ron Paul Of Texas
Before the U.S. House of Representatives 02/06/07

Dont do it Mr President
It’s a bad idea.
There’s no need for it.
There’s great danger in doing it.
America is against it, and Congress should be.
The United Nations is against it.
The Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, and the Pakistanis are against it.
The whole world is against it.
Our allies are against it.
Our enemies are against it.
The Arabs are against it.
The Europeans are against it.
The Muslims are against it.
We don’t need to do this.
The threat is overblown.
The plan is an hysterical reaction to a problem that does not yet exist.
Hysteria is never a good basis for foreign policy.
Don’t we ever learn?
Have we already forgotten Iraq?
The plan defies common sense.
If it’s carried out, the Middle East, and possibly the world, will explode.
Oil will soar to over $100 a barrel, and gasoline will be over $5 a gallon.
Despite what some think, it won’t serve the interests of Israel.
Besides-- it’s illegal.
It’s unconstitutional.
And you have no moral authority to do it.
We don’t need it.
We don’t want it.
So, Mr. President, don’t do it.
Don’t bomb Iran!
The moral of the story, Mr. Speaker, is this: if you don’t have a nuke, we’ll threaten to attack you. If you do have a nuke, we’ll leave you alone. In fact, we’ll probably subsidize you. What makes us think Iran does not understand this?

Obama most likely won't win. but i might vote for him anyways