TCPA: The End of Computing Freedom!

Discussion in 'Computer Science & Culture' started by §outh§tar, Jul 3, 2004.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,832
    http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html

    PLEASE READ ALL OF IT!

    I know it's a bit long but I don't know if any of you guys are aware of this or not. I knew about it a year or so back and wanted to know what you guys felt about this.

    For one, all manner of piracy would be pretty much "abolished". A hardware tweak or replacement of some sort would be necessary to bypass the new technology in the event that it gains acceptance.

    The sad thing is, people are such twits that they will sit back and let this happen. Makes me mad and sad at the same time..

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,083
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,832
    One of the worries is censorship. TC was designed from the start to support the centralised revocation of pirate bits. Pirate software won't run in the TC world as TC will make the registration process tamper-resistant. But what about pirated songs or videos? How do you stop someone recording a track - if necessary by putting microphones next the speakers of a TC machine, and ripping it into an MP3? The proposed solution is that protected content will contain digital watermarks, and lawful media players that detect a watermark won't play that song unless it comes with an appropriate digital certificate for that device. But what if someone hacks a Fritz chip and does a transaction that `lawfully' transfers ownership of the track? In that case, traitor tracing technology will be used to find out which PC the track was ripped from. Then two things will happen. First, the owner of that PC will be prosecuted. (That's the theory, at least; it probably won't work as the pirates will use hacked PCs.) Second, tracks that have been through that machine will be put on a blacklist, which all TC players will download from time to time.

    -------

    Pretty depressing stuff especially since Microsoft is pretty influent on setting the standards. Schools will start using it and so will colleges partly to stop students from downloading illegal software and so on on campus.

    Petition against the movement here:
    http://www.againsttcpa.com/users-against-tcpa.html
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Baal Zebul Somewhat Registered User Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    388
    Freedom is overrated.

    Only those who have anything to hide have something to fear. If you behave then things will be allright for you.

    i am pro this concept.

    Of course i have a couple of things i need to hide too

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  8. Zero Banned Banned

    Messages:
    2,355
    Perhaps we should begin considering how we might survive without a computer?

    Begin boycotting computers!
    (This is the most drastic and terrifying form of protest I can think of. I shudder at the thought of going without my laptop ... )
     
  9. Baal Zebul Somewhat Registered User Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    388
    well, anything that has been built can be un-built. Go around it.
     
  10. Alpha «Visitor» Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,179
    BS. Even those with nothing to hide have something to fear. Freedom is a right, and laws like these illegitimately infringe on those rights, and should be prevented from passing.
    Such laws are a detriment to society and people's freedoms. If you are for such things, then you are a danger/detriment to society.

    One need not stop using computers. Just refuse to buy any with such technology implemented. There will almost certainly be other companies selling PCs without such technology if the bill passes.
     
  11. Baal Zebul Somewhat Registered User Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    388
    i would of course prefer to buy a computer without it but the world would be a safer world if everything was controlled to 100%
     
  12. Alpha «Visitor» Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,179
    How do you propose to do that without infringing on people's rights? You would need to invade people's privacy by necessity. Also, controlling everything would restrict things that shouldn't be restricted: freedom of association, many forms of creativity, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc.
     
  13. Baal Zebul Somewhat Registered User Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    388
    well, you don't want to know what i think.

    The only problem i see is that inventors can be robbed of inventions because of this. The solution i have to that problem is probably exactly what you are against so i will not say. You will know within time.
     
  14. Alpha «Visitor» Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,179
    I would prefer to decide that for myself. But if you don't want to give me the choice... well, that's your choice.
    Will I? Inventors may have problems getting extra profit, but if they have to infringe on the rights of others to do so, then that's tough.
     
  15. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,830
    I used to be worried about this thing... But guess what,- its a load of crap. It'll never fly.

    First, anybody who knows *a little* about computers will opt to buy one without this, and there are plenty of foreign countries who would be happy to manufacture them.

    Second, I have faith in our pirates to find ways around this silly protection. Remember, we're talking about people who use debian for fun. Do you think they'll let a tiny little chip to get in their way?! They'll probably find a microsucks bug that makes it easier to pirate. We'll be downloading illegal software off of mirosoft servers.

    So sit back, relax, and learn a thing or two about computers before going all paranoid. The more you know, the less they can control you. Its as simple as that.
     
  16. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,026
    A chip? I know, Lets just ***brilliant idea coming up*** OPEN UP THE COMPUTER AND TAKE IT OUT!!!
     
  17. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,830
    The idea is that the computer won't start up if the chip isn't in.
     
  18. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,832
    Why don't you also take out the hard drive when you are surfing the internet so that you don't leave traces on your computer..

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  19. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,832
    Microsoft's XP Activation lives on, despite all the protest, does it not?

    In the end, the naysayers shut up and still use XP, right?

    The majority of home computers go to the store to buy computers, believe it or not. I am pretty sure BestBuy won't be vending computers engineered by "our pirates". Besides, Microsoft has it's way when it comes to setting standards in the industry, which is my worry. That makes it very hard to boycott.

    Hopefully, it is as easy as you make it out to be.
     
  20. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,830
    Really?

    What you're missing is that people don't use XP for XP. They use it for the xp API. Operating systems like linux, BSD and mac are the ones which set the true benchmarks (don't even get me started where.) Many of the 'innovations' you see in XP were thought of years ago.

    The majority of people use microsoft because the programs they need run only on the XP api. This is quickly changing

    Remember, people can supplant microsoft in '00 just like they did mac in 90's. Its a matter of fighting the status quo, and there's no shortage people to do it.

    So don't fret. Yes, microsoft is a challenge, but if their fear of us, shown by these measures is any indication, we can take the bastards down.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!




    Start here:
    http://knoppix.org
     
  21. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,946
    Hate to burst your bubble, but the law outlaws the sale of hardware which is non-compliant. I don't care waht operating system you are using.

    That said, linux is still written for computer-dorks and by computer-dorks. This is a different market than that for XP... and one which is not going to be won over quickly.

    Either way, the law advocates HARDWARE solutions.
     
  22. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,830
    Not true. We keep the dorks in a special 'k0rn&r' called debian. There are many different flavours of 'nix designed to fit the needs of all computer users.

    Lycoris and suse, for example, are easier to install and use than windows XP. They also offer greater performance. They offer greater bang for the buck. If windows-only specialized software was made available on these platforms, windows would drop faster than an NT server on sunday. I guarantee it.

    Anyways, there are some simple ways around the 'sale' of hardware which is non-compliant. IE- 1920's: Yeast wasn't illegal. Grapes weren't illegal. But wine was. So at the very least, sell the damn parts. Sell the instructions, carefully pointing out that its unlwaful, unconstitutional, and makes a mockery of bussiness ethics. Microsoft is the world leader in this practice.

    :m:
     
  23. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,186
    I cant believe that they would try and enforce this, we are going to be controlled in every way in a little while.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page