I saw that Syria had WMD !
Maybe that they will use it soon against Israel !
And they protect Iraqi chiefs... (maybe Saddam ?)

lol

OK, that's clear now : Syria, Iran and Korea are the next one. It seems that Syria is the favourite one as Israel is crying for it...
I don't have anything against Israel, but they've got enough problems without "puting petrol on fire" ;)

Anyway, I don't want to talk about Israel in this thread : I would like to know which countries could be "freed"/attacked (as Iraq) in the next 2 years.

PLEASE, be serious : France is not on that list !

US will never enter Syria. I'm ready to be told as many "I told you sos". That will never happen.. US is just waving it's big stick at Syria to teach it a lesson, but no way would US go to Syria and remove it's regime.....Afterall, any average Syrian on the street could be characterised as a terrorist....including the women...and if you don't believe me, ask Helen, she's syrian....So to eliminate the idealogy of Syria that US does not like, is to genocide the entire population of Syria.....and there is no oil to even justify that.

N.Korea is no way on the list coz its so dangerous. N.Korea being a false element in the list would make the list nonislamic countries!!!!!!

Well , Iran is different than Iraq, coz the people dont hate their gov. so I think Iran might get only air strikes, ground forces would not be welcome there even by children...

Well syria is on the list because of its support to Hizbolla in Lebanon and its threat to Israel. Syria needs only to shake hands with Sharon in order to avoid the possibility of existence of MDW in its president's pocket...hence to avoid any invasion..

france not on the list???? of course,,, a country has to be on the list if it fulfills any two conditions out of four :

1. it has a srious problem with Israel

2. Its a weak country

3. It has oil

4. Islamic

N.Korea is no way on the list coz its so dangerous. N.Korea being a false element in the list would make the list nonislamic countries!!!!!!

Well , Iran is different than Iraq, coz the people dont hate their gov. so I think Iran might get only air strikes, ground forces would not be welcome there even by children...

Well syria is on the list because of its support to Hizbolla in Lebanon and its threat to Israel. Syria needs only to shake hands with Sharon in order to avoid the possibility of existence of MDW in its president's pocket...hence to avoid any invasion..

france not on the list???? of course,,, a country has to be on the list if it fulfills any two conditions out of four :

1. it has a srious problem with Israel

2. Its a weak country

3. It has oil

4. Islamic

Then France should be on the list with a 2.5 out of 4.
It has no oil and, though not Islamic, is rapidly headed that way.

Originally posted by riverline
1. it has a srious problem with Israel

2. Its a weak country

3. It has oil

4. Islamic

How sad.....Have you noticed that all countries with a lot of oil are weak or "Have been weakened". How convineant for those sucking this oil.

Also, why such a treatment and bad policies for Islamic countries....

Don't get me started wtih Israel, the only thing I'm sure of is that although the arabs are known to be naive, they won't stretch their hands and open their homes again for the jews like they did during WWII when no european country or America wanted anything to do with them.

Originally posted by katavan

Unless Jebbie Bush becomes the next Republican President and he has a childhood fetish of wanting to play with daddy's star wars toys.

Is it me, or is US politics starting to look more and more like arab politics.....With the father lining up his sons to take over the kingdom come.

Next thing, the constitution will be changed to extend the leadership term to 30 years and to allow minor children of past presidents to take over future presidency.

Originally posted by heflores
How sad.....Have you noticed that all countries with a lot of oil are weak or "Have been weakened". How convineant for those sucking this oil.

Also, why such a treatment and bad policies for Islamic countries....



Yes, poor oil countries,
you know the reason is that ( accidently ) , the mas destruction weapons are grown only where oil exist, you know oil is a good fertilizer for mass destruction weapons. And as you know the US likes this type of vegetable ( MDW ), ( its a vegetarian country , she likes no children meat , unlike Israel ) , thats why oily countries get weak very rapidly..

Where ever colonialism happens so did poverty. United States was just a lucky colony and had exceptional leaders in the beggining. What the colonizing did was force people to make cash crop instead of food and other diverse products. Such as Egypt only making cotton. The people have to realy on selling stuff for feeding themselves. The mother country buys the raw resource then sells a manufactured product back to them for 10x the price. Thus why so many old colonize have starvation. US was lucky and had good leaders to make a good foundation and start the industry.

There won't be an attack against Syria. That will have to wait until after the election. Wars are death to campaigns.

I wouldn't it past Bush though to declare war on the day he is kicked out. Heck he convinced his chronies in the Supreme Court to ignore clear law language. Heck he might as an executive order use that crisis to extend his reign.

Remember back when Carter was running against Reagan. Reagan's team created a secret deal with Iran for the return of the hostages by trading arms. All of this was technically treason yet nobody said anything about that. Rumsfeld has been selling weapons to Middle Eastern enemy states for years. That's what Iraq was: a setup. They sold them some weapons and then pounded their fists when they realized they no longer had them. Just another symptom of an inept administration.

Originally posted by riverline
a country has to be on the list if it fulfills any two conditions out of four :

1. it has a srious problem with Israel

2. Its a weak country

3. It has oil

4. Islamic


1 and 4 are the same. And avoiding #2 is guaranteed any nation to get off the list. Iran and seria better hurry up and get WMD.

If Iran needed a reason to hurry their nuclear program they have it now. Syria better break a bottle and start jabbering like a crazy person because otherwise the U.S. war machine will move on.

I disagree.
If Bush 41 had run for election within a few months of the '91 gulf war, the Democrats would have no chance. Clinton would not have bothered to run.
Bush 43's popularity is now in the low 70's.
NEXT!

I’ve already seen articles saying that Bush will switch focus to the economy to help his re-election bid. It’s all been planned out and will take much of his time until then. There’s no room in the schedule to target another country militarily, only to threaten. If he is re-elected then I predict Iran is next, in 2005. Bottom line is Iran has the oil needed to repay for the “liberation” a hundred times over, providing the funds needed for Jeb Bush’s campaign. Syria doesn’t.

I saw that Syria had WMD !

Bush said "I think we believe that there are chemical weapons in Syria"*

Which sounds like he has a lot of evidence and he is totally convinced. Good on Syria for telling him to prove it or fuck off. I suspect it is just a ploy to detract from the fact that there are sod all WMD in Iraq, when before he did his best to imply that the Euphrates was actually a river of Anthrax and Saddy was giving nukes to anyone who shouted "Jihad". Before he was saying "He has weapons but we can't find them because they are so well hidden". Now he is saying "There are weapons but they are in Syria". Can anyone say "unfalsifiable hypothesis"?
__________
*That little mini-interview yielded a Bushism: "horocious" (horrible/ attrocious). Which is quite a good word, actually.

Originally posted by SG-N
I saw that Syria had WMD !
Maybe that they will use it soon against Israel !
And they protect Iraqi chiefs... (maybe Saddam ?)

lol

OK, that's clear now : Syria, Iran and Korea are the next one. It seems that Syria is the favourite one as Israel is crying for it...
I don't have anything against Israel, but they've got enough problems without "puting petrol on fire" ;)

Anyway, I don't want to talk about Israel in this thread : I would like to know which countries could be "freed"/attacked (as Iraq) in the next 2 years.

PLEASE, be serious : France is not on that list !
Yup Syria very soon. No sense in bringing everyone home only to have to send them back. Perhaps Syria would do something to provoke Israel then Bush gaining support to attack Syria.

On another note, I wonder if Bush is going to try and leave France, Germany, and Russia out of any oil contracts with the new Iraq.

I don't see how sanctions could happen, other than unilateral sanctions. But how would they be effective unless every major nation were part of them? I think Syria is in for an american "liberation" within 12 months. Just like how america had to slowly introduce the idea of attacking Iraq ever since 9/11, they are now laying the groundwork for US public support against Syria.

Bush is now trying to "stare down" the Syrians, and they are not going to blink. Bush is saying the same things about Syria that he was saying about Iraq. "Regime change , terrorists. WMD". That little twit just may let wolfowitz and Rumsfeld talk him into doing something stupid. They could drag this war out until after the election, and historically presidents during wartime "do" get re-elected.

The economy hasn't even made the front page recently. And there is not enough time for Bush to "rebuild our economy" before the next election anyway.

this is one time that I am hoping that I am wrong.

http://www.post-gazette.com/World/20030409syria0409p8.asp

Just because a country is a threat does not mean that it will be "freed"; some have pointed that out, some choose to ignore it. I do believe Syria will be next, to be followed by Iran. North Korea is very volatile as some have stated. It won't be touched because of its danger. The use of Mutual-Assured Destruction deterence at its best.

However, there are a few countries some have overlooked/not mentioned:

[list=1]
Algeria- Europeans have been kidnapped by 'terrorists'- EU will plead to US
Indonesia- Aceh killings will disrupt Southeast Asia, which has been in an uproar lately, with East Timor
Palestine-Israel's enemy. We will interfere sooner or later.
[/list=1]

Patriot

Originally posted by Patriot

However, there are a few countries some have overlooked/not mentioned:

[list=1]
Algeria- Europeans have been kidnapped by 'terrorists'- EU will plead to US
Indonesia- Aceh killings will disrupt Southeast Asia, which has been in an uproar lately, with East Timor
Palestine-Israel's enemy. We will interfere sooner or later.
[/list=1]

Patriot

Indonesia is a democracy, so unless bush wants to make the US a hypocrite yet again, they should be okay. And not even the USA can make things worse for the pal's then they currently are. I'm not too informed about Algeria though.

Indonesia is a definite possibility. Indonesia has been an al-Qaeda stronhold for some time now.

The two year old link below indicates that Wolfowits wanted to go into Indonesia even before we were out of Afganistan. hmm we still have 8,000 troops in Afganistan.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/12/173217.shtml

If you want to look outside the Middle East, Latin America is a more likely target.

1. Colombia
2. Venezuela
3. Cuba

There are forward operating units all over the place and really the war is on these places. There is no way that with all the instability in these places the PPP will succeed. They have the next richest source of oil.

These are some better insight into this:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB69/
http://mondediplo.com/2000/05/13colombia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1864267.stm
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=9&ItemID=2261

They are both sides of the coin. Any way you look at it Colombia is a mess and it has oil.

Other Central American instability stands in the way of Plan Puebla-Panama. Here it is:
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=3953

Historically we have used covert CIA ops in Central and South America.

Originally posted by justiceusa
Bush is now trying to "stare down" the Syrians, and they are not going to blink. Bush is saying the same things about Syria that he was saying about Iraq. "Regime change , terrorists. WMD". That little twit just may let wolfowitz and Rumsfeld talk him into doing something stupid. They could drag this war out until after the election, and historically presidents during wartime "do" get re-elected.

The economy hasn't even made the front page recently. And there is not enough time for Bush to "rebuild our economy" before the next election anyway.

this is one time that I am hoping that I am wrong.

http://www.post-gazette.com/World/20030409syria0409p8.asp

Well, I personally believe this is just a lame attempt at political manuevering. GWB and pals have got to be smart enough to know it would be a political shitstorm for the US to go into Syria without some sort of attack on the US directly traceable to Syria, and then it would look too suspiscious to act on it. They are just talking shit hoping that the american populous will respect them if they seem consistent. They're just trying to score brownie points with whoever will fall for their bullshit. (at least I hope) Not that I wouldn't mind kicking syria's ass, but oh wow, what a shitstorm. WWIII almost for sure you'd think.

heyya all :)

well
through another military dickhead move of shortsighted morons with guns has destroyed one of the most important historical
museums in the world
THE U$A better appologise very quickly to syria for thier stupidity
even saddam didnt destroy all that stuff
maybe it was his gaurds in civilian clothes
will the U$A try and get as much back as possible
they should have protected the museum!
its a world heritage museum-regardless of what country it is in

syria has every rite to be tottaly pissed with the U$A for such a
moronic lack of intelectual thinking and planning
where were the c.i.a when that happened
maybe they are selling the stuff rite now

failure to plan is a plan to fail

next country U$A will invade will be its own
:D
figure that one out

just bloody typical of bloody minded radicals to destroy 4000 year plus relics through ignorance

mr bush better start his own relic hunters club and try and save face!

more work for the restoration people 'i hope'

any country that condones torture and mass fear indoctrination
mixed with capital punishment and the death sentence should be next!
we can only hope!
#democratic reform would be my preference to war anyday!

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above

US will never enter Syria

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Actually there are 5 or 6 countries in the Arab community that still have in place the Baath socialist party, which is a direct desendant of the Nazi party in Germany........

They may all have to be taken out before this is over, while we have our troups there.
It would be the most efficent use of our forces.

They are all waiting like coiled vipers for the best moment to ambush Israel anyway.
That is their sole purpose in life.
Did you know the word "Arab" means ambush...?
Look it up.

Not that I wouldn't mind kicking syria's ass, but oh wow, what a shitstorm. WWIII almost for sure you'd think.

------------

I agree with you there.

I have to say we have a lot of very blind people on here.

The US doesn't give a damn about Iraqi oil. Time to pick another tune. The ones you have been singing have now turned sour.

Syria may damn well be next. That will be up to them. The one that will be next (if there is a next) will be any that continues to support terrorist and sticks their tounge out at the US and makes threats.

N. Korea is already showing sings of gaining a bit of insight and are starting to talk with a little less pravado.

Would we want to have to use nukes. I think not. Would we if attacked, I think so and I would hope so. It matters not if it is just a screwed up government or a screwed up country. We will take out such government or we will take out such country.

I can't recommend Helen stay at home unless she hopes to correct the thinking of her peole and her government for we won't put up with these piss ants BS ever again.

We will not be screwed with nor over powered. Try and gang bang us and I can damn near guarantee you it is nuke time. We will put a stop to it. How that comes about is up to the smart mouths out there that think religion and their GOd has anyting to do with it.

He wasn't there in 91 and he wasn't there in 03. Maybe it is time to modernize their religious thinking and give up this crap.

PS: Just to make sure my position is clear I do not remove Israel nor France from any list.

Actually the missing WMD are the best excuse in the world you can have to invade a country!

"...We invaded and searched iraq, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in Syria"

[2 months later]

"...We invaded and searched Syria, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in Iran"

[2 months later]

"...We invaded and searched Iran, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in...in...eh...France ... YEH huhuh"

[2 months later]

"....

They're about one "freedom fry" short of a happy meal in my opinion anyway.

If thats where we need to go, OK.
But they are in this with Russia, so we must think before we act.
They have both tried to lay a trap for us, and it didn't work.
(See my thread on "The Real Cold War", if you haven't already to explain this trap.)

The US doesn't give a damn about Iraqi oil. Time to pick another tune. The ones you have been singing have now turned sour.

US dependency on OPEC oil has been a strategic liability for yonks. Why wouldn't they care about Iraqi oil?

Actually there are 5 or 6 countries in the Arab community that still have in place the Baath socialist party, which is a direct desendant of the Nazi party in Germany........


Please provide PROOF . Which 5-6 states , and whitch ties , and whats their relation with USA .

Stop making it a world-war 2 like propaganda scam . Let me ask you something , do you consider this fantasy of yours Ba'ath anti-semitic ?

And for Syria......if the Jews get their way , and they probably will just like the last 1000 times , it will be Syria . And yes , that means WW3 , in a whole new and improved version : meet "terrorism" .

heyya all :)

the U$A economy does not run on love!
it runs on aquiring raw resources for free or almost no cost.
which it does by destabalising other oil rich countrys!
that is not to say that some of those countrys are model examples of human rights.

one more point
the U$A is profit driven through domestic confidence and socio economic stability.

i would be down to the betting shop to place all my money on
a stock market crash to end all stockmarket crashes if the U$A invades.
they kill more of thier own military by friendly fire than any oppositional military force has since WW11.
note the rates of cancer and P.T.S.D resulting in murder-suicides from vietnam must out strip some big body count figures.

so as the body bags come rolling round the mountain side...
with the media showing pictures like simpson showed,
well
civil unrest will be a state of normality and down she goes!
then it will be the turn for U$A to be considered the Terrorists.

the U$A is the biggest cache of W of M.D
next to maybe russia/china/england/north korea
all the anthrax was domestic terrorism
if ya breed em stupid
feed em stupid
and train em to feel nothing
so you render your hopes dreams and consequently future
to provide nothing in abundence.

syria has been around for thousands of years.
lets hope thier government is not stupid enough to support rapist torturing murderouse genocidal maniacs.

all true syrians reading this i would like to offer my deepist regret and sympathy for thier huge loss to thier artifacts and hope they can muster the intelectual resources to build the biggest museum the world has ever seen.
i only hope you can work with the united nations to restate your huge artistic merit by peacefull colabouration.

why were soo many syrian artifacts in Iraq?
who now has them?
what is the signifigance?
can the world work together to help restore them and the others?
were the looters soldiers in civi's?
i hope the secret services are tracking the relics to arrest the terrorists and then return them to the rieful country of origin!

MacM
i find your patriotic furver a little disconcerting
i assume you speak from passion?

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
And for Syria......if the Jews get their way , and they probably will just like the last 1000 times , it will be Syria . And yes , that means WW3 , in a whole new and improved version : meet "terrorism" .

I don't think the US is that dumb to go militarily in Syria.....No even air destruct....They'll either do it dimplomatically or they'll leave it up to Israel to handle. Us simply have too much on the line and nothing to gain out of that one. They learned their lesson from Lebanon...believe me. Don't worry about Israel making a bad move. I heard the Hizbullah have accurate rockets aimed at Tel Aviv and others....Everytime Israel asks them to move the rocks, Hizbullah move them laterally a couple of miles and change the angle so that the aim is still valid....Israel complains...Hizbullah moves the weapons on the other side and change the angle again....They have 180 degrees to play with....that's a whole lot.

I don't think the US is that dumb to go militarily in Syria.....No even air destruct....They'll either do it dimplomatically or they'll leave it up to Israel to handle. Us simply have too much on the line and nothing to gain out of that one. They learned their lesson from Lebanon...believe me. Don't worry about Israel making a bad move. I heard the Hizbullah have accurate rockets aimed at Tel Aviv and others....Everytime Israel asks them to move the rocks, Hizbullah move them laterally a couple of miles and change the angle so that the aim is still valid....Israel complains...Hizbullah moves the weapons on the other side and change the angle again....They have 180 degrees to play with....that's a whole lot.


I have no doubt on the capability of Hizbollah self defence , neither do I deny the risks for the USA . I think the question really lies deeper , and brings us back to that what USA is . I belive USA (consciously or unconsciously) to be nothing more than the product of similar people to Marx , Engels , Lenin , Trotsky . You urself understand this importance , if you could only understand the system of whitch USA is in , and combine that with USA Jewry , you will come to the point where on a relevant scale , you will be able to equalise Israel and USA .

Perhaps u should read that US-Israel warship thread for a second (what i posted there) , and u might increase a better understanding of this whole concept . I believe that is what is momentarily lacking in the Arabic vision in the first place , USA is STILL viewed as a helper , a co-......whatever its called .
Unfortunatly this shit is simply not true , u should do some research on that .

Originally posted by Vortexx
Actually the missing WMD are the best excuse in the world you can have to invade a country!

"...We invaded and searched iraq, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in Syria"

[2 months later]

"...We invaded and searched Syria, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in Iran"

[2 months later]

"...We invaded and searched Iran, but we couldn't find them, so they must be hidden in...in...eh...France ... YEH huhuh"

[2 months later]

"....

Exactly.. And remember they claim they haven't found Saddam or Osama. As long as these guys are "perceived" to be on the loose, U.S. could use the "terrorist harboring nation" wild card.

Ripple of Death,

[quote]MacM
i find your patriotic furver a little disconcerting
i assume you speak from passion? [unquote]


Ans: I am an old ex-military carreer man but I am not a Hawk. I do try to make my posts equal by opposite the ludricrus, slanderous and stupid crap being posted by rag head radicals.

Having said that let me make it clear I am also not predjudice and a rag head radical is a worthless piece of dumb shit no different, than using the term nigger, honky(white trash). These are terms for the worst of any race or creed. I have very good friends of various races and religions.

I think the US has and will use the best of judgement and attempt to afford any nation or people the opportunity to avoid war. But if they persist in their support of terrorisim, etc and are working to harm or destroy us we will and should eliminate the threat.

It was a terrible shame about the musem but it was rag heads that did it not the US. We could have scattered their musum clear back to Syria had we wanted to.

WMD, none found yet and while I think some will be found, it is not necessary that we do. None may exists but the finding of the (11) bio-chem labs buried underground adjacent to a munitions factory is proof enough for me that the US acted in good faith and in a responsible manner for the benefit of all mankind, including Syria and the Iraqi's.

Unless the rag heads have a good explanation as to why such underground factories should exist?


Saying that the US doesn't care about the Iraqi oil was not a good explanation. Of course we care about vital resources but drilling in our own back yard or getting oil from other sources is far cheaper than attacking Iraq (we actually only get a small % of our oil from Iraq). The point I wanted to make is the we will be very politically correct and will not take advantage of their oil and that it had and will have nothing to do with the war.

heyya MacM :) (waves)

i did not mean to state that i believed that the U$A destroyed the museum!
i am just seriousely pissed at the huge lack in inter-departmental communications in regard to lateral thinking/intelegence
i.e the signifigance of the museum.

im sure there will be descoverys yet to come and of considerable nature and size under the sands!
my bet is under the main city and the palaces.

i too believe that the oil story(immediate oil greed) is quite irrelavant but no need to insite miss-interpretations!

i am very keen to see the media document the advertised "torture cells" and the nature of that specific issue.
i am interested to know to what extent the storys can be verified by the mainstream media.

groove on all :)

Originally posted by MacM

I think the US has and will use the best of judgement and attempt to afford any nation or people the opportunity to avoid war. But if they persist in their support of terrorisim, etc and are working to harm or destroy us we will and should eliminate the threat.


OK, just need SERIOUS proof... (not "I think... so it's a good proof !")


It was a terrible shame about the musem but it was rag heads that did it not the US. We could have scattered their musum clear back to Syria had we wanted to.


Yes, it was rag heads...
I don't mean that it was the US !!!
However, they could have protect it even if it's less important than protecting the petrol ministary (that is one of the only buildings that don't have been touched by a bomb !!! ;) )
Just 20 or 30 military would have been fine, no ?


WMD, none found yet and while I think some will be found, it is not necessary that we do. None may exists but the finding of the (11) bio-chem labs buried underground adjacent to a munitions factory is proof enough for me that the US acted in good faith and in a responsible manner for the benefit of all mankind, including Syria and the Iraqi's.

Unless the rag heads have a good explanation as to why such underground factories should exist?


Do you chimicals at home ? To wach the house... I guess you have ! So you're able to make a chimical weapon !!! It will not kill lots of people of course, but you will be able to do it.
Are you a terrorist ? No... but if I would want to say it, I would find some proofs !

About the underground factories... who cares ?
There are many possibilities : less vulnerability in case of airstrikes, less hot than a surface factory...


Saying that the US doesn't care about the Iraqi oil was not a good explanation. Of course we care about vital resources but drilling in our own back yard or getting oil from other sources is far cheaper than attacking Iraq (we actually only get a small % of our oil from Iraq). The point I wanted to make is the we will be very politically correct and will not take advantage of their oil and that it had and will have nothing to do with the war.

The small % of Iraqi petrol is only because of the embargo !!!
If it's cheaper in your own back yard, why don't you take it ? In fact, it's cheaper in Middle East ! They have one of the best and cheapest petrol on earth (if not the best and cheapest), and everybody know it.
So don't say it's not one reason as IT IS (with Saddam's behavior in Iraq and Bush's madness).

Anyway, war is "over" now...

When I began that thread, I thought that Syria would be the next one... In fact I don't know anymore !

Israel that is doing everything it can to push USA acting against Syria (economicaly) is clearly looking for a war !

That would be stupid to do it...
I don't see any reasons to get in Syria (as long as Saddam is not there :bugeye: and as long as they don't have chimical weapons... LOL)

Pakistan should be invaded next.

it's illegally occupied Kashmir for so long and harbours so many terrorist organizations like Lashkar-E-Toiba, Jamma-E-Islamia..
and many others.

in the paper.....the leader of the LeT actually said...

"our policy is to kill hindus..as many as we can. they are our enemies. India is a terrorist nation along with america and israel. they are all our enemies."

about 2 weeks back 25 kashmiri pandits were massacred... by one of these terrorist organizations

and musharraf isn't doing crap about it. he arrested maulana masood azhar and released him after 6 months.

pakistan should be attacked. if any country harbours terrorist camps...it's pakistan.

What is this?

India go and solve your own sectoral problems......You think everytime you cry terrorism, the US will majically appear with it's troops...Wake up please.....You should have listened to Ghandy, but no, let's kill him and divide the country better.

in case you don't know your history heflores....Gandhi did not want partition of the country. partition was brought about by Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

he wanted partition so that he could become prime minister. he ranted about a seperate state for devout muslims, and he himself wasn't one. he ate pork.

anyway....i'm merely pointing out the contradictions in politics. and btw..India is more than capable of handling pakistan. It destryed it in '71 and in Kargil.

I know my history, and you have just made my point. I said in my post that you guys killed Ghandi and didn't listen to him, that's why you are at where you are. The Indians along with the Pakistanian wanted partition. And if I'm not mistaken, an Indian and not a Pakistani killed Ghandi.

at that point of time there was no india or pakistan as the country was not yet partitioned.

and btw..... a hindu fanatic called naturam ghodse killed Gandhi.
is that representative of all Indians? please don't say ''you people'' when talking about Ghodse.

the man was a lunatic and an idiot. all indians recognise mahatma gandhi as the father of the nation.

india did not want partition. it was Jinnah along with some paranoid muslims who were desperatly clamouring for a seperate state.

Gandhiji was sympathetic to the muslims and listened to their problems. so this idiot shot him. ghodse isn't representative of indians at all.

The Cabinet Mission Plan of 1945 explicitly stated that partition of the country was unacceptable.

in the end to solve the problem and to finally gain independance indians accepted partition.

and indians always listened to Gandhi. you don't seem well informed at all heflores. do you know about Satyagraha or Swadeshi?

Gandhiji started the Non-Cooperation movt. , the Civil Disobediance Movt. , and the Quit India Movt.

these movt's were enormosuly successful only because of Gandhiji. he inspired indians..under him they made their own cloth and rejected foreign goods.

you seem to think Indians wanted Gandhiji dead and payed no attention to his beliefs. I find that rather amusing.

by the same train of thought.....

damn americans..you killed abraham lincoln its all your fault.
you killed Martin Luther King Jr. it's all your fault.
you killed JFK it's all your fault.
you killed John Lennon it's all your fault.
it can go on and on.

please think a bit, and verify what you know.

I for one really like Ghandi and really despise the Pakistan India Partition. Leaders like that are almost the status of prophets, they're great thinkers and do so much good for their people. I wish India and Pakistan had sense in them to unite. As far as me needing to read more, thank on the advise, but I'm quite content with my knowledge. I don't take this sciforum this too seriosly and think it's a waste of time anyways. If I saw an once of merit in this I would have researched much more, but I'm just having fun and wasting time.. I read Dora and big red dog for my kids before they go to sleep, that's the only thing worthy of occuping the rest of the space in my brain.

dora?

Yeah man, Dora the explorer. Great lessons in life and politics. You also have the bad sneaky fox swiper. The way to stop him is to hold your hand up and scream....SWIPER NO SWIPING....He immediately stop doing evil and say...Oh man.

I stated earlier that Syria would be the first. But I'm not so sure anymore either. If Syria were invaded, than other countries could see the invasion as the first step in their "jihad". Their Koran (Qu'Ran) states that there will be a war to end all wars, and that a martyr will rise above to united the Arab world against the foe. If we move from one country to another, they could unite (Saudi, Jordan, Syria, etc) out of sheer paranoia. It's a paradox. Fear for one thing causes that one thing to happen, in this case the war to end all wars. I have spoken with a friend on this, and his father says that it's correct factually. It all depends on the reaction of the countries surrounding Syria.

Also, I agree with whomever stated that Latin America could be a viable target. However, Indonesia is likely because it is indeed democratic, but does have Al-Qaeda ties, as does the Phillipines. With the commotion in southeast Asia, the United States needs a robot country in the area, as it has Israel in the Middle East. We do not have a link there, unless you want to include Vietnam (why would you?). Just some thoughts.

Patriot.

US will never enter Syria. I'm ready to be told as many "I told you sos". That will never happen.. US is just waving it's big stick at Syria to teach it a lesson, but no way would US go to Syria and remove it's regime.....Afterall, any average Syrian on the street could be characterised as a terrorist....including the women...and if you don't believe me, ask Helen, she's syrian....So to eliminate the idealogy of Syria that US does not like, is to genocide the entire population of Syria.....and there is no oil to even justify that.

I can't remember who said it, but I think it rings true. The best defense against against tyranny is a well armed population.

I just wish theyd stop supporting hezbollah. If they were gentlemen nobody would WANT to invade them and in fact we would protect them if anybody tried.

I wont mix in the paki-hindi discussion since i know little of the conflict ...... i do think a religion should never divide a people .


I stated earlier that Syria would be the first. But I'm not so sure anymore either. If Syria were invaded, than other countries could see the invasion as the first step in their "jihad". Their Koran (Qu'Ran) states that there will be a war to end all wars, and that a martyr will rise above to united the Arab world against the foe. If we move from one country to another, they could unite (Saudi, Jordan, Syria, etc) out of sheer paranoia. It's a paradox. Fear for one thing causes that one thing to happen, in this case the war to end all wars. I have spoken with a friend on this, and his father says that it's correct factually. It all depends on the reaction of the countries surrounding Syria.


If its up to the people and the Islamic states , perhaps a Jihad between regimes would be possible.....but I doubt it . They are all pretty secular and feel little for USA warfare . Good thing thats not the only way for 300 m people to act on Jihad . Btw , all Abrahams religion have this prophecy........the bible speaks of an 200 million man army marching to Israel .


Also, I agree with whomever stated that Latin America could be a viable target. However, Indonesia is likely because it is indeed democratic, but does have Al-Qaeda ties, as does the Phillipines


Al Qaida hasnt got to do anything with any foreign policy of USA relevant to draw such conclusion .


With the commotion in southeast Asia, the United States needs a robot country in the area, as it has Israel in the Middle East. We do not have a link there, unless you want to include Vietnam (why would you?).


Not really no , but I should remind you it is not Israel that is USA's robot , it is USA that is Jewish owned .


I just wish theyd stop supporting hezbollah. If they were gentlemen nobody would WANT to invade them and in fact we would protect them if anybody tried.


Hizbollah ? Please man , why would that be a Syrian problem , they are in the damn Lebanese DEMOCRATIC parlement . Id rather worry about Hamas & Islamic Jihad leaders being harboured in Syria (If I was Israel , and ur USA , hey......) .
www.hizbollah.org

Pop quiz for Allah: What percentage of US citizens are jewish? What percentage of US governmental officials are jewish? What percentage of US ceos are jewish?

What percentage of US citizens are jewish?


What an irellevant question , 4 m ?


What percentage of US governmental officials are jewish?


another incomplete/irellevant question , about 2% ?


What percentage of US ceos are jewish?


another incomplete/irellevant question , i dunno about 5% .

Man i just estimated based on a direct representation implied by your first useless question . Its all crap really , u shouldnt apply empiricism if u have no idea of what accurate data is .

U better check http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20295

Al Qaida hasnt got to do anything with any foreign policy of USA relevant to draw such conclusion .

Yes it does. At least that's the propaganda fed to Americans. The American government offers this as an excuse to "liberate" a country. Look at Afghanistan. What real connection did they have to September 11th? None. They are too poor to put up state-supported terrorism. Then Iraq. Bush tied in the disarmament (which wasn't done) exuse with the "Al-Qaeda ties" bull. So I beg to differ. Superficially, those countries that have "ties to Al-Qaeda" are potential targets.


Not really no , but I should remind you it is not Israel that is USA's robot , it is USA that is Jewish owned .

This is definitely the comment of someone uninformed and biased. The US is Jewish owned? So what happened to the 200 years before Israel was formed? Poland owned America? Just wondering. Please explain this to me.

Patriot

heyya Patriot :)

most of the T.V networks are either owned NOW by jewish preaching type idealists or Christian type idealist.

which is not all toghether bad
because they counter each other in moderation and mixed with the free market press agencies it is not too difficult to
get the real story out.

because of the profit driven nature of the media/films/t.v/magazines/radio
religouse rightwing fundermentalism cannot take control!

religousely speaking its like the only black in a white neighbourhood or only white in a black neighbourhood,
the percieved risk through paranoiya and fear of the unkowen is
very powerful because of the mass indoctrination of that motivator through big-business marketing stratergy.
and well documented historical ignorance mixed with violence, related or not.

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path tot that we hold above

"Most od the TV networks are owned by jewish preaching type idealists or Christian type idealists."
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If Christian idealists owned the networks, most of the current, sex and violence programming, would not exist.

The link below gives network ownership as of the year 2000. It has probably all changed a lot by now.

http://www.netreach.net/~kaufman/network.ownership.html

If christian idealists couldn't tolerate sex and violence, they would have considerable difficulty reading their bible (http://www.forbiddenfruitpublishing.com/sexdrugs/intro.html).

But unfortunately, many have no difficulty associating the President, neoconservatism, and preemptive war with "Gods plan", and assume the Israelites= Israel, and that the Assyrians=Syria.

hypewaders

sorry i have err-ed terribly!

what i should have said is that the only "majority" of COMEDY T.V programs are either jewish of christian.

and south park makes fun of most religions. :D

THE URBIN TERRORIST programs like "the saprano's" is labeled as catholic.

that only leaves COP and hospital programs!
what a sad excuse for art!

now that people are sick of pretend blood they want to watch the real thing in "reality programs".
what a sad state of affairs!

i can only guess that such people need to have a bad car crash and get injured badly to get the biggest fix of thier lives!

back to syria...
i hope they (get the chance to) choose art first!

groove on all :)

Originally posted by hypewaders
and assume the Israelites= Israel, and that the Assyrians=Syria.

Hahahahahaha:D :D
This is the funniest thing I have heard this morning, it's hilarious.

patriot

At least that's the propaganda fed to Americans


Thats what im talking about .........


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Not really no , but I should remind you it is not Israel that is USA's robot , it is USA that is Jewish owned .
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This is definitely the comment of someone uninformed and biased. The US is Jewish owned? So what happened to the 200 years before Israel was formed? Poland owned America? Just wondering. Please explain this to me.


Ehmmmm....before the Jews got Israel and went to the USA , they actually pretty much got chased by Hitler and Stalin , and before that they pretty much ran and designed communism .
Buttah.....I am not biased , im not staring this discussion all over with people , read some threads why im not biased if u care to know (like congratulations Iraq etc) And..uninformed , not really .
Poland didnt own no USA.....how do u make such hilarious connections ? Cuz of the jewish ghetto's....? LMAO .
But seriously....After ww2 the jews went to usa and palestine , and pretty much took both over , one economically , and whith that one , the other one violently .
I suggest u look up a bit who exactly runs your economy . Perhaps u mind find more relations between communism and capitalism than u thought possible . Also check :
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20295

ripple

most of the T.V networks are either owned NOW by jewish preaching type idealists


It is a lot more than just the media .


religouse rightwing fundermentalism cannot take control!


perhaps different from the evangelsists , it is not jewish religion that is centered in zionist controll of the economy and media .


But unfortunately, many have no difficulty associating the President, neoconservatism, and preemptive war with "Gods plan", and assume the Israelites= Israel, and that the Assyrians=Syria.


I couldnt imagine this evangelism being a big influence , although it does relate with the lies the Jews are spreading . I mean.........Israelites .....LMAO . And u should , Assyrians for Syria isnt really the deal .....since there are still Assyrians left in Syria , the Syrians arent Assyrian though , they are Arabs , and those two are not the same things .......but hey , im sure this is how it goes on in Bush his incapable brain .

YES YES

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/rummy3.jpg

YES

Don Hakman
LOL
was he on a holiday camp? :D

Allahs_Mathematics
ok i get the message
just a little thingey though!
please try to complete the quote to the nature of the balance of
dual stuff rather than cutting it short where it might give the wrong interpretation.
and i did re-frase it to a more specific view point in regard to an observational point of perception.
and apart from that
keep groovin :)

please try to complete the quote to the nature of the balance of
dual stuff rather than cutting it short where it might give the wrong interpretation.
and i did re-frase it to a more specific view point in regard to an observational point of perception.


Its probably me again , but i honsetly dont know what u are talking about , can u elaborate for a moment please ?

heyya all :)

Allahs_Mathematics

>>> to quote myself :rolleyes:
quote... (heyya patriot)

most of the T.V networks are either owned NOW by jewish preaching type idealists or Christian type idealist.

which is not all toghether bad
because they counter each other in moderation and mixed with the free market press agencies it is not too difficult to
get the real story out.
===
and again the next thread
quote... (hyperwaders)

sorry i have err-ed terribly!

what i should have said is that the only "majority" of COMEDY T.V programs are either jewish of christian.
===

if you read those two posts you will see it.


i am yet to see any other "religouse" comedy...
what does that mean?
i dont know.
anywho

groove on all :)

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP49503

Showing how evil and wicked etc etc Syrian Ba'ath is .

Funny thing , They're right !!!

Down with the Ba'ath , long live Imam with the sword !!
:D

heyya all :)

can anyone please explain why peace talks have been allowed to be derailed by extreemist action?
i can understand that certain countrys have used military power to control other countrys.
is it actualy possible to findout which leaders are continuing the
violence or is it lower level organisations that need to keep the killing going to maintain thier hold of privalige?
just a small thought.

i have no issues with people from any religion
I.E regarding my comment about comedy, however i am interested to use the concept of comedy like the picture
don hackman used to suggest we all should be strong enough to allow criticism of ourselfs.
with the express knolledge that we know that such things are used in non violent or offensive refference.
if the peoples heart could speak would it ask for more death?
or would it ask for peaceful co-existance?
it would seem that almost every country at one point in time has
used military force to take control of another for some reason or another, and one must ask where do we draw the line in seeking ballance from the past.
the world is at a critical point where it is in desperate need for a global community of support for all people to be granted food and shelter and freedom from persecution.
this concept runs through the heart of all countrys and all cultures regardless of religion, race, sex, localism, sexual or cultural practice in the assumtion of respect to all those that are your neighbour.
we are all but children of god and are born forth in the muddy waters stired by the bloody footprints of our forfarthers errors or judgements.
is there any religouse text that states forgiveness is a sin?
to what do we owe our children?
to be born forth to die for anothers ego or self absolution?
many prophets have walked the earth over many thousands of years and i persieve thier message was never delivered through the barrel of a gun or explosive device.
this civilisation stands on the brink of its own judgement.
how many will condem thier own children to walk the river of blood?
how many will allow hatred and thier own blackened heart to torment the minds of thier own children?
what good is weapons when your childs heart is burnt to bear arms so they may look as equal at thier aclaimed enemy?

i suggest that all leaders of governance look to thier children for guidence.
see how they play with other children regardless of colour sex race culture money disability
now what will you teach them?
how will you show them?
good little soldier boy
poor little prostitute victim girl
may you all prey that god will one day grant you a heart to feel with
ther is always a road back!
but it is a choice of free will
like every moment between moments

time waits for no person
the soul cares not for time
step off the tred mill!
love does not need money to shine
rose coloured glasses?
i hope it is red wine!

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above