Dont you think business is sweet? Makes me so happy when money flows from an idea I made myself and my bank account gets that revenue...so sweet...its addictive. :p
Money is addictive...especially making money...I just hope I dont cross the lines of law.

Oh topic of discussion is: Sweet business...the addiction to money making and how lines of law can be crossed without notice...would ya figure?

Not in the least, actually.
The mind-numbingly dull concept of money changing hands and transferring that implicit power from one individual to another not only holds absolutley no aspect of interest or joy for me at all, it actually disgusts me on so many levels.
The fact that I work in banking is a constant source of discontent in my life and makes me sick.
I just keep reminding myself that I will be retiring from the industry within the next seven years or so and there is an end to it all.

Not in the least, actually.
The mind-numbingly dull concept of money changing hands and transferring that implicit power from one individual to another not only holds absolutley no aspect of interest or joy for me at all, it actually disgusts me on so many levels.
The fact that I work in banking is a constant source of discontent in my life and makes me sick.
I just keep reminding myself that I will be retiring from the industry within the next seven years or so and there is an end to it all.

well certainly money cannot be a focus for oneself's life.
Science is my focus, getting a degree in aero eng. and using my knowledge to do something I dreamed of doing. Money making on a side, I guess that when it really becomes sweet. But yes I can understand how working in a bank and being always around money and not doing something else for soul, can lead one to hate the money and everything that has to deal with it. I really suggest you to do something on a side for yourself too, something you really enjoy doing and is also helpful to society directly or indirectly. Business is just so much comfort...knowing that money is there when you need it...knowing that more money will come in, and the way people treat you changes too, with respect.

...and not doing something else for soul, can lead one to hate the money and everything that has to deal with it.
That's not really it, though.
It is precicely the things I do for my "soul" that pushes me away from money and the business of money changing itself.
I've only been in this field for about five years or so, and felt this way before I got into it (though, I will admit that being in it certainly helped solidify my view).

The whole concept of it, seems silly and pointless to me, and without much, if any, merit.
It's not that I hate money itself (though part of me surely does) it is the whole ideal of it.
I derive a great deal of joy from working with my hands, of creating something tangible, real, intrinsically valuable (in my opinion) and opposed to something with a created, false value.
Money, as I see it, doesn't really exist in the way that a beautiful, old restored house or car does.

Money simply exists in our own psyche, because it was placed there by those who give it an inordinate amount of value.
Money will never be worth more than time, but so many people, most of us, trade the vast majority of their time for money.
Integrity is the only thing we truly own, the one thing that can not be taken from us -it has to be voluntarily relinquished- but so many people, most of us, sell it to the highest bidder.
Spending time on making money seems like a waste of time to me.
Spending time on moving money from this rich person's pocket to that one seems even more lifeless and dull.
Yet most of us spend a great deal of time to "earn" money from rich people so we can spend that money and give to to other rich people to buy worthless, disposable shit and gadgets to make up for what is missing in our lives, and what is really missing is fucking time.
It confuses me, and most certainly doesn't inspire me.

All this for something that doesn't even exist.
The only purpose or value for money is the purpose and value we give it.
To live life based on money is to live life based on falsehoods.

well i see money as power...money is even better then that old house or a car...because money can be transformed into almost anything. And im my view illusion and falsehood created by value of money is as an illusion and falsehood of life itself.

And im my view illusion and falsehood created by value of money is as an illusion and falsehood of life itself.
Life itself?
Seems to me that you are equating "life" to modern, capital-based existence, in which case the "illusion of life" is one made manifest simply by giving money value -thus giving it power.
It gives the illusion of selfishness (which wouldn't necessarily be bad, if it were true selfishness).
It is an illusion that is detrimental to life.
It is an illusion that is detrimental to the spirit.
It is an illusion that not only supports, but fosters and rewards self-absorbed myopia, which is, in the long run, detrimental even to the self.
Not very unlike the mentality that causes people to tailgate each other in traffic and not let anyone squeeze in, because they think that allowing someone in front of them puts them at a disadvantage. This is not honest selfishness, if it were, people would leave plenty of room between cars in traffic, allow people to merge in, keep traffic running more smoothly and get home 30 minutes sooner than they would have. They are blinded by instantaneous self-absorption, which, actuallt gets in the way of their selfish goals.

well that def. not how I see life...one_raven.

well that def. not how I see life...one_raven.
How do you see life?
How do you define life?
I'm curious.
Really, I'm ganiuinely curious, I'm not just trying to set you up for an argument I have saved up or some other such tactic.
I want to know and understand where you are coming from and what drives that point of view, because I really can't identify with it.

How do you see life?
How do you define life?
I'm curious.
Really, I'm ganiuinely curious, I'm not just trying to set you up for an argument I have saved up or some other such tactic.
I want to know and understand where you are coming from and what drives that point of view, because I really can't identify with it.

Well I am happy that you are interested and will be happy to share my life and how I see it.

Ok so I was born in Russia. Both of parents are scientists, both love each other, my cousin is a doctor (he is so good...people from other cities come to him). USSR collapsed in 91...my mom decides to leave to USA by herself to look for a better job. My father and I stay in Russia. I stay with my grandmother while my father lives by himself in a laboratories he travels to. He then designs a strain of bacteria that successfully fights infection in cows. He sells this strain, gets his phd for the sale. He visits me 5 or so times a year, I know he is loyal to my mother, and he is very happy for me. I meanwhile attend a school with higher mathematics specialty. I live in isolation, no actual friends, but very close with my grandmother...who is very philosphical and religious person. I study her religion (I am 9 years old at that time), her religion is The Saints of the Seven day, Evangilie. I realize the many false points the religion draws upon, and becomes deeply philosophical and cynical in nature as I do not follow either the orthodox christianity that my other grandmother follows or the Evangilie religion my grandma I live with, follows. I and my grandma go on weekends and durring summer to a forest and enjoy walking many miles collecting berries and mushrooms in a region we need been in. In Russia forests are huge...there almost no roads...the forest is either birch trees or fir trees...very tall and span for miles. While in the forest walking I observe nature and talk about philosophy and history with my grandma, this is the time I realize the path I truly believe in and the future I am most interested in. 5 years pass by and I get accepted to come to USA to my mother, my father comes to USA too. We live together happily and I start a new life from 5th grade in USA in a spanish school. I then become overly interested in computers and get accepted to high school that is funded in technology alot...they have CAD modeling plastic cutting tool, amazing science instruments, latest computers, radio, their own tv station. Then I get accepted to Umich and currently go to this school and anticipate to get a degree in aerospace engineering.

Now my view of life:

I see life as something one should strive to excel in, life is given to realize the dreams and prove worthy of living. Thus I exist to realize my dreams. I also believe that life should be followed with ones heart...evil should not be done, and logic that comes from heart should be used. I also identify myself as a rebel, because I do not follow other people's beliefs, none seem to match really. I see life without an actual God. I see myself as someone who will leave infinite amount of years, but will never know that. I see myself as someone who will die and will be reborn in another body to continue the life. I also see life as something designed with specific purpose for understanding more of life, thus the universe was designed not with people in my mind but with an idea that something new can develop and will expand the knowledge of the universe of itself, and that something new are humans. Thus I see universe as rewarding what within it to further develop, thus if I will somehow prove to the universe/myself that I am beneficial to evolution then universe will grant me life. But this process is automatic...just like laws of physics...it happens because universe saves the most energy on this process.

How I see business? Making money is just proving of oneself success and adaptation to environment, without crossing the lines. I really appraise the new technology and dealing with money requires development of new technology that helps humans adapt and evolve more.