Bebelina (and our other Swedish friends),

Is Sweden really the utopia of civilization that I dream it to be? Do you live your lives free of concern, irritation, and uncertainty? Are people genuine, truthful, and free of spite? Is the landscape harsh, forgiving, and glorious?

If not Sweden, what of the other Northern European countries?

Thanks

Screw Sweden Porf-where I live the beauty here could only be compared to paradise! Look up "Acadia National Park" on the internet. Such beauty is almost not meant to be seen by human eyes.

Some of the folk here are pure evil but most of em are nice. I'm not an original, thoroughbred mainer but I've lived here for seven years. That must account for SOMETHING.

Oh yah, New England is paradise :rolleyes:

Actually, I'm not looking especially for natural beauty. I've spent all of my life on the edge of the Canadian Rockies. I'm more interested in the people. I'm attempting to locate a place in this world where people are genuine. So far, my search in North America isn't going well. I'm currently evaluating Northern Europe, Alaska, Iceland, Atlantic Canada, and Australia as plentiful sources of "real" people.

your quest reminds me of needles and haystacks. I doubt that you will find entire communities made up of genuine real people anywhere in the world. But I'm sure that every community contains some. Some more than others obviously, probably in very old, established, small communities where the claws of mammon haven't dug in too deep.
Writing this I keep thinking of my wife who is one of the most genuine and real people I know and so am I to a certain extent, but our EQ scores are similar and just about average, so it makes me wonder, just what constitutes 'real and genuine' and does 'emotional quotient' have any bearing on it? Or is EQ too idealistic a concept?
This is a very interesting subject.

Well, I´m sorry to dissapoint you, but it´s certainly no utopia. And it´s cold! :mad:

But there are places where "real" people, in opposite of "zombie-people" have gathered and started communities.
I want to start a haven for people who are fed up with the current society and wants to live in peace and harmony. :p
Vote Bebelina for president! :D

<i>"Are people genuine, truthful, and free of spite?"</i>

Is such a thing (a person) possible? Genuine, truthful, and free of spite...you're digging for gold, Dave.

How about Iceland?
We all know Bjork is from Iceland.
I also like Maine, and Scotland.
Although Maine's better...particularly up near Jackman.
But not near Derry.

I don't know about paradise. I live in a boring upper-middle class suburb in NJ. The closest I've got to paradise is on vacation, and that's just about as far as Indiana. I can imagine, though, what paradise may be, and Sweden is ringing all the wrong bells.

Cold
Boring art
Boring Ikea furniture
LIBERALS GALORE!
maybe even some Socialists.
Economic ruin.
No Bjork!!

Try Maine, or anywhere in America that's scenic. It sure beats stale, generic, Sweden. Virginia Beach is also nice. But certainly not scenic.

I like the Scottish Highlands because they're old and real. I don't like the rest of Europe because it's old and fake. I love America because I am an american and the whole turn of the century Jersey Shore historical vibe really gets me going.


You know, Jersey is paradise. All you other European paradisians don't have a clue!

;)

Boring art???? :rolleyes:

Go hide under a rock Congratulations! Shame on you! :mad:

And who needs Björk when there is Bebelina???? Who????:confused: ....;)

Sometimes I meet Björk in my dreams. Then we play. Like children, strange? Yes. But fun. Why? Don´t know. :D
The other night we were in a school locker -room that had water all over the floor and then we decided that we should play in the water on the floor and we got all wet and our nice dresses got soiled and then we stood looking ourselves in the mirror and laughed. :D

I´m no big fan though, but I like her style. :p
But sometimes it gets a bit overboard artsy.

USA is better than the rest!!!

Yes, USA....:rolleyes:.......:rolleyes:.........:rolley es:


Just kidding, I really want to go there some day. :)

Excellent Bebelina! Count me in as citizen #1 under your benevolent rule!

And, actually, I love the cold and the dark. Chaos is minimized. The world is simplified. Heat only makes people sweaty, loud, and irritable. It enrages the emotions and is the enemy of the rational mind. And dare I say, it is the enemy of the artistic mind -- since any art worth doing is planted firmly in logic and theory.

Hell, Bjork's from a cold place and look at her.

Genuine, truthful, and free of spite...you're digging for gold, Dave.

Am I? I think that under the right circumstances I exhibit these traits (though, thus far this only happens when I am isolated from others -- this reinforces my idea that society went wrong the moment two people so much as glanced at one another).

Now, I realize that hermitage in some northern wilderness is ultimately my destiny. I'm wondering if I might find populations that share at least one or two of these traits such that I can delay the inevitable for a while (because people can be interesting in moderation, as opposed to being offensive en masse).

I'm currently evaluating Northern Europe, Alaska, Iceland, Atlantic Canada, and Australia as plentiful sources of "real" people.

I live in the state of Tennessee. It is located in the United States of America. The United States of America is located in North America. I feel real. When I wake up in the morning, I am sucked headlong into another day full of chattering faces, blue skies and hard hitting truths. There are times when I will lay on my back in a field of green, swaying grass and fall into a deep introspection that provides the buoyancy of dreams and hope. I contemplate a world that can bring harm to the ones I love as I shudder in abject horror. I love the goodwilled smiles of faceless neighbors who walk under the crushing knowledge of their own mortality. Where should I live?

your dream sounds like a sex fantasy. Love it!!:D

Yeah, sweden is not a haven for anything. Nature is nice, but for those real solitary kicks I head back to northern finland where magic and mystic forces inhabit the grim and beautiful forests. The only ppl one finds there are demented hunters and moonshine drinkers (all relatives of mine:D).
Sort of like "Deliverance" with more snow...

The haven I seek is found, it was here all the time. That´s where I live, in the moment :)

Bebelina is the worlds greatest artist. That´s a truth.

What a typical day in a town very close to Acadia National Park is like. Hmm. When I wake up it's still dark outside, sometimes when it rains it's pitch black. I go to school and meet a good deal of friends, of both sexes, some pretty some not (the girls, don't get any funny ideas). I listen to my teachers and learn from them and interact with them, my mind evolves into a deeper state of thought. I go home and write or play on the computer, do homework at four until about six, watch the news in a comfy living room with a nice carpet and a few red couches. Once I get my digital camera back online I'll post a picture of it, but not of me. The mystery of shrike is far from being unveiled.

My favorite days here are when its really cloudy and grey, where the shadows of the clouds meet at their bottoms and provide perfect contrast to bright golden, swaying trees and shimmering green fields. The only noise you really hear is the wind, and the trees.

But some of the people here REALLY suck. Rednecks by the truckload!

And it's no wonder Congratulations loves it, because Maine is full of conservatives. We did vote for Gore though!

Michigan has a good blend of qualities, pretty moderate, conservative yet prodominatley democratic voters. Ample jobs, plenty of disposable income, great outdoors, and major cities to go to. Close by is good ol' Canada, and our greatest treasure: The Great Lakes.

All in all not a bad place to live, it's not Beverly Hills, CA, but it's not Afghanistan either.

P.S. Bebelina, is your life really like a dream like a sex fantasy?

Well here it goes (this post is probably to long for anyone to read):

<U><B>Favorite place ever</B></U>
Stayed for a month in Tiama Negara (a rainforest in Malaysia) with a people named the Iban (don't know if spelling correct). That was the greatest place ever, many animals, wild and domestic, surrounded the camp. The houses are so called "Long houses" which are elevated upon logs to make it more difficult for the evil snakes and others to get to where one sleep.

No TV, no radio, no telephone, no aircondition, but a lot of smiling, nice people. Some references from Coca Cola was amongst the children off cause, but where is there not Cola inspiration.

<U><B>Other great places</B></U>
- Coh Tau Thailand (misspelling possible)
An island of the east coast of Thailand, a lot of divers and some natives. The island is rather small and if you want to dive and pay for the diving, all other is free. I took one of those PADI - open water licenses there and in the meantime I got free bungalow and free food. A little to much drugs for me though, don't like drugs!
- Nice France
A lot of tourists, but also a lot of fun. Nice weather always and icecream all over the streets (not actually though).
- Fort Lauderdale America
Beautiful city with a lot of nice marine activity. Nice oversized boats with rich tennis playing people. I think that was a quieter version of Miami (but actually it may even be Miami, I don't know).
- Cuching Borneo (also misspelled probably)
The city of the cats, but I didn't se many cats. Beautiful tropic city, with some industrial inspiration. I just couldn't help myself over there, just had to start writing. I wrote some poetry and some fairy tales during the week in Cuching.
- Bangkok Thailand
Actually to many people (10 million in one city). But all the culture you may want to se, and nice people if they have the time to stay with you for a while. Its a little dirty but once you get over that, its beauty takes you away (perhaps to Coh Tau). The skyscrapers in the city seem to compete for the most incredible "top piece", for instance a roman temple a top a skyscraper isn't the first thing I imagined existed.

<U><B>Some rather boring or less inspiring places</B></U>
- Miami America
Sorry all Americans, I like your country but that one is a mistake. A lot of drunken body builders trying to get in front of you in the line for MC.D. Noise level rather high and nothing to do but to walk up and down the beach.
- Stockholm Sweden
Well I can only motivate by telling you I always get beat up while visiting Stockholm.
- Paris France
Everybody just screw with you and no one will speak to you if you don't know the French language fluently. However Paris has some great locations like Moulin Rouge and The Louvre.
- Amsterdam Germany
Nope, only drugs.
- London England
Actually a very nice place, but a little to much people for my taste. A lot of shopping and browsing the streets and bares, but don't take the wrong turn in the subway, cause then you're lost and probably robbed of all your possessions.

<U><B>Places I want to go</B></U>
- Island
Seems extremely beautiful in its own way.
- All of Australia
Big and has it all. No matter its an old prison, I still want to explore all of it.
- New York
I saw it from a distance on my way to Miami, it seems incredibly big and one just have to go there sometime.
- Scotland
Well we have all seen Rob Roy and Braveheart, just look at the scenery.
- Japan
Come on, give me those robots now.

<U><B>Return address</B></U>
I will always return to Sweden. I se myself as a citizen of Earth and believe borders only are lines on the map. I hope in a perfect future, where there are no borders, but that may be impossible due to human nature. However, I will always return to Sweden in the end, because I think this is where I can truly live. I love Sweden but I am willing to try and se the beauty in other parts of the world.

You would love New Jersey, Shrike. Lots, and Lots of Liberals here.



But really, NJ is quite beautiful. You've got horse country, Farm country. North Jersey with its mountains, rivers, and farms. The Delware water gap is probably the prettiest. And never forget the beach!! Or rather the shore.

NJ is richer in culture than scenery, but some of the scenery is damn good. All you people have got these perfect places as homes, but I've got new jersey...


I'm not going anywhere today beacuse my school burnt down!!
Go figure!

Originally posted by thecurly1

P.S. Bebelina, is your life really like a dream like a sex fantasy?


Yes, it is! :D.....:rolleyes:

Where did you get that crazy idea from? :eek:

Holy, I envy your travel experiences, except from the Sthlm then...:p
Why do you always get beaten up? :confused:

Your dreams about getting all wet and messy with Bjork and then standing in front of a mirror-----THATS where we got the idea from!!!!

Why do you always get beaten up?

Well I really don't know. It just seems that STHLM has something against me personally. I've been there a lot of times now, and I always get in trouble.

Sometimes its just when walking home after a night out and sometimes its taking the wrong station on the subway and ending up in a nazism meeting of some sort (actually happened).

Most of the times I can run faster than the violent people, but sometimes one cant run because one is not alone, and then I usually get hit once or twice before they give up.


Holy, I envy your travel experiences

This is how you get to travel a lot (at least 4 times a year).

<B><U>First</U></B>
Get a couple of doctor parents with some extra cash to give birth to you.

<B><U>Second</U></B>
Get them to divorce each other when you are approximately 12 years of age.

<B><U>Third</U></B>
Get one of the parents to treat you to an expensive trip to some exotic country.

<B><U>Fourth</U></B>
The rest will happen by itself. My parents had a popularity contest which still lasts to this day. The contest was to treat their two children to the most exotic and incredible journey. First the mother then the father and so on. This way me and my brother got about 4 nice journeys a year.

Nowadays though, it has slowed down some, to about one or two journeys a year. But I'm getting to old to let my parents pay my way.

Quite off the point origanlly made but sod it,

- Scotland
Well we have all seen Rob Roy and Braveheart, just look at the scenery.

Well u see im english and i know a little about scotland these are the thing i know as facts,

1.Its always wet
2. Its always cold
3. the scenery in the slums of glasgow had to be seen to be belived.
4.You cant understand a word the locals say

Taking all this into account i would re-evaluate your intention of going to scotland, if u want a film the portrays it in its true colours then watch trainspoting, a modern masterpice.

Well u see im english and i know a little about scotland these are the thing i know as facts,
1.Its always wet
2. Its always cold
3. the scenery in the slums of glasgow had to be seen to be belived.
4.You cant understand a word the locals say

Oh? that's to bad, I was hoping the grass hills and the calm country side was as in the movies (damn those movies).

But the scene in Trainspotting where they are actually trainspotting has some good looking nature, I am looking for some kind of tranquility in my travels and that grassy hills seem rather tranquil.

Can one go to Scotland and stay out of the cities?

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Other point
Please give more feedback about places to go in this thread, one can not survive only by what the travel agents say and the web saits show you.
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Well folks, we all have our places we like and don't like. Me, I love the south. Nothing like a green Christmas. I also like the mountains of Tennesse around the Smokies, and the lower Alps in the German area for beauty.

But people? Well, they are where you find them. There is always a mixture, sometimes you find more of one group than another but people all pretty much the same all over the world. The same emotions drive them to the same reactions. The same feelings and the same drives. I know places in the south where people still wave hi to strangers, something that I imagine that is pretty rare now in most places. Thank our great communications systems and the news media for their reporting methods for that. After all the only good news to report is always bad news. So folks don't act as friendly anymore. And real people? To some degree everyone has a front. Someone they wish you to see rather than what really is. They call that human nature.

I hear Jamaica's nice, never been there though.
I have a popularity contest right now going with my grandparents. One pair is rich and another single one isn't, but they both send me sh*tloads of money. I actually got ten bucks for halloween. For halloween!!
Go to New York. When the place isn't crumbling around you it can actually be quite gorgeous, especially in the bowles of manhattan (I'm not being sarcastic). The Natural History Museum has an awsome dinasaur exhibit, a real working hologram projector, and the most incredible astronomy show I've ever seen (narrated by Tom Hanks, it was only half an hour long but so well done. I have never seen anything so cool in my life). Stay away from the tops of skyscrapers though. You could go up there on a dare. That'd be funny.

I know I sound like a little kid when I said what I just did but I'm not. I think I'm done.

Because...I AM a big kid now (in years, not size or weight).

I suspect I need to go someplace where I cannot understand the language. That way, when sitting in a public place enjoying my solitude, I cannot be bothered by the inane conversation that people make. I can imagine that they are debating culture or science instead of gossiping about their most recent conquest, complaining about their life, or politicing and posturing for effect.

Or perhaps I need something to numb my senses.

One word Porf: Siberia.

I´m sorry to hear that, but what do you do to make them notice you. Do you interact with them in any way previous to the beating up? Do you wear totally out of fashion clothes? Smell bad? :D

...sorry..... :p

I´m sorry to hear that, but what do you do to make them notice you. Do you interact with them in any way previous to the beating up? Do you wear totally out of fashion clothes? Smell bad?

Well actually the most incidents happened when I was younger. I was dressing like a "black rocker" (don't know the actual english term). So that could explain some of the disliking of the holy one.

But still, I am usually a very tranquil person who neither starts or finishes a fight. Perhaps some people get frustrated by my sober acting while picking a fight. I don't drink alcohol and don't do intoxicating drugs (though I actually smoke sometimes and I often drink coffee). When approached at the bar by some drunken street fighter, I usually don't back down, but try to reason with them. Since I am sober, we don't speak the same language and therefore perhaps they get frustrated or something.

Prehaps Finland, Iceland, or in that area? I guess the question becomes do you need people around? If not, as you mentioned the thought, then maybe the more remote areas of Canada or Alaska.

SIBERIA!!

Siberia's about as remote as it gets.

SIBERIA!!

Have you been there or can you give some information anyway? I am willing to se that part of the world, but isn't it extremely cold over there?

cold as a b*tch, snowstorms that can tear the skin off your body and wild animals that haven't eaten in months are enough to drive off all but the abandoned prisoners sent there to work in mines back in communist russia. When the elements aren't against you (which they are ninety percent of the time) it can be quite pleasant if you can get past the negative thirty degree temperature and the lack of any housing whatsoever.









In case you haven't noticed I'm kidding. Hey, look, gullible's written on the ceiling! Hah.

Well now "gullible" fell from the ceiling and landed in my forehead. I will keep it there until proven "un gullible" (profile changed).

But seriously, I would like to se Siberia with my own eyes. It may be hard to live over there, but still.

It seems Siberia is a cold and harsh land, but at least it is original (perhaps a couple of similar places exist), so I would like to have experienced it once. But I think it will have to wait, there is a lot of other places that need to be experienced which is not as cold and rough.

You were one of those, so was I. Then I understand. A good thing to remember when talking to people that are under the influence of alcohol, is to talk very slowly and articulate and with as short and uncomplicated words as possible. And with a gentle tone. Because they are to be regarded as retarded children with violent tendencies. :)

You aren't reffering to me are you bebelina? I wasn't drunk, I've barely had sips of alchohol.

Yeah there are a few places like Siberia on Earth, i.e ANTARCTICA, the MOON (which kind've counts as being part of Earth), um, the Northwest Territories (scifred could tell you all about that).

That was me again, using the same comp as dividivad, mr. sixty two and dividivad are next to me. Sorry bout that.

I was referring to those Holy got beaten up by.

You want cold? The I suggest a trip to northern Sweden or Finland. The nature is very magical and beautiful there, and cold.
I remember walking my dog as a child through a forest with white crispy trees, all white, the trees were totally covered with snow and ice. I remember my amazement of the beauty. :p

Yes, winter is close. Head out into the sleeping forest and listen to the crunching of snow underfoot. Beautiful!

Tablariddim, you´re so smooth you could slip and hurt yourself man :D

*Originally posted by Porfiry
Are people genuine, truthful, and free of spite?*

If they aren't where you are, they won't be anywhere else, either.

Something about the eye of the beholder.

if you use the eye of the beholder ideology on, say, SIBERIA then you have a land, despite being full of bloodlusting convicts and savage winter storms, full of nothing but nice and normal porfiries.

Right?

Originally posted by MuliBoy

Tablariddim, you´re so smooth you could slip and hurt yourself man :D


Yeah? Why's that then?

Originally posted by tablariddim
your dream sounds like a sex fantasy. Love it!!
Your dreams about getting all wet and messy with Bjork and then standing in front of a mirror-----THATS where we got the idea from!!!!

I was referring to your way of chatting up women :D

don't let my wife hear you say that.:D

(elvis voice) Heaven disguise, something disguise
you're an elephant in disguise
(dun dun dundundun dun)
You look like an elephant
(chorus-"look like an elephant")
talk like an elephant
("talk like an elephant")
walk like an elephant
when I geeett baaaack

You're an elephantindisguise
oh yes you are
elephant in disguise
hmm mm mm mmm


Thank you, thank you.

Great performance, Shrike! :D

nice lyrics, eh?