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dixonmassey
06-08-05, 04:10 PM
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
2 hours, 59 minutes ago



NEW YORK - It's not the stuff of headlines, like fraud. But more mundane misbehavior by scientists is common enough that it may pose an even greater threat to the integrity of science, a new report asserts.

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One-third of scientists surveyed said that within the previous three years, they'd engaged in at least one practice that would probably get them into trouble, the report said. Examples included circumventing minor aspects of rules for doing research on people and overlooking a colleague's use of flawed data or questionable interpretation of data.

Such behaviors are "primarily flying below the radar screen right now," said Brian C. Martinson of the HealthPartners Research Foundation in Minneapolis, who presents the survey results with colleagues in a commentary in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Scientists "can no longer remain complacent about such misbehavior," the commentary says.

But "I don't think we've been complacent," said Mark S. Frankel, director of the Scientific Freedom, Responsibility & Law Program at the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Frankel, who wasn't involved in the survey, said its results didn't surprise him. But he said that the survey sampled only a slice of the scientific community and shouldn't be taken as applying to all scientists.

The survey included results from 3,247 scientists, roughly 40 percent of those who were sent the questionnaire in 2002. They were researchers based in the United States who'd received funding from the National Institutes of Health. Most were studying biology, medicine or the social sciences, with others in chemistry and a smaller group in math, physics or engineering.

Of the 10 practices that Martinson's study described as the most serious, less than 2 percent of respondents admitted to falsifying data, plagiarism or ignoring major aspects of rules for conducting studies with human subjects. But nearly 8 percent said they'd circumvented what they judged to be minor aspects of such requirements.

Nearly 13 percent of those who responded said they'd overlooked "others' use of flawed data or questionable interpretation of data," and nearly 16 percent said they had changed the design, methods or results of a study "in response to pressure from a funding source."

Martinson said the first question referred to other researchers in their own lab, and the second question referred to pressure from companies funding their work.

But David Clayton, vice president and chief scientific officer at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which focuses on biomedical research, said he found both questions worded so vaguely that they could be referring to perfectly acceptable activities.

Clayton also says it's not clear whether the behaviors addressed in the survey have been increasing or declining over time.

dixonmassey
06-08-05, 04:25 PM
Survey is somewhat optimistic in my opinion. Not less than 90% of scientists are doing fradulent, useless, pointless research from time to time (or even continuously). Science is seriously sick. Why, is the question. In my opinion, "free market" western model of science forces scientists (empty of ideas from time to time) to bullshit in order to keep income coming. Scientist (average one, at least) is not a milking cow or conveyer, he cannot produce "bright" ideas as a machine in order to justify his paycheck. Market system is blind to that sad fact. As a result, scientific journals are full of useless, redundant, fradulent papers. As a result, the best "salesmen" from
science are frequently winners of funding rat race. As a result, up to 80% of scientist's time is wasted on securing funding, bullshitting to show that $ are well spent, etc. Too little time is left to generate those darn ideas which are really worthy of publishing and funding. Something needs to be done about that.

Baron Max
06-08-05, 07:00 PM
..."free market" western model of science forces scientists (empty of ideas from time to time) to bullshit in order to keep income coming.

Yeah, I think I agree with that. But then ....what to do to change fix it?

See? Just like science, the problem might be easy to spot, but the solution ain't so simple. And I don't think it's JUST the free market system, either. I don't think any system on Earth can just keep pouring money into ANYTHING without some satisfactory results, do you?

I think a lot of what you say is true, but I think you've given the "free market" system the shitty end of the stick ...for some reason. While in fact, it might even be worse in other govermental systesm?

Baron Max

Thersites
06-09-05, 03:47 AM
Partly it is the "produce or perish" philosophy and psychology. It doesn't matter who is making the demand, but it would have the same effect. There is also the fact that there are many more research scientists than there were, many doing work which is supposed to have practical applications eventually.
However, it's worth remembering that there are so many scientists because of the belief that people will make money out of research eventually- you could probably have about as much original and valuable scientific research for a small proportion of the cost because only the good and dedicated people would be involved, but it's doubtful whether you could spend the same amount as is now spent and spend it more valuably, because of the reasons the money is supplied and the people it attracts.

extrasense
06-09-05, 08:07 AM
Not less than 90% of scientists are doing fradulent, useless, pointless research from time to time (or even continuously). Science is seriously sick.Absolutely. It is in state of decay.
Read this: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/freescience?hl=en
In my opinion, "free market" western model of science forces scientists (empty of ideas from time to time) to bullshit in order to keep income coming. Scientist (average one, at least) is not a milking cow or conveyer, he cannot produce "bright" ideas as a machine in order to justify his paycheck. Market system is blind to that sad fact. As a result, scientific journals are full of useless, redundant, fradulent papers. As a result, the best "salesmen" from science are frequently winners of funding rat race. As a result, up to 80% of scientist's time is wasted on securing funding, bullshitting to show that $ are well spent, etc. Too little time is left to generate those darn ideas which are really worthy of publishing and funding. Something needs to be done about that.
It does not seem correct to blame the free market. The problem rather is that dishonest parasites are running education, undermining the basic honesty, suffocating science and substituting the pseudoscience instead. They have created socialist system of extortion inside the free market system. You are saying something needs to be done.
The thing is it is not easy, as the parasites are in power in education.
How to make sure, that
1. Educational money go for the quality of education, not for the number of students
2. Public morality is restored.

Well, let us understand the problem first.

ES