Has anyone here (besides me) ever thought about it?

Only every human being on earth.

Wonder how many have actually planned it out and was ready to do it until their 4 year old niece walked in and asked their uncle what he was doing?

Suicide is for pussies or the terminally ill.

However, there is a picture I've seen of a guy that cut himself in half with a bandsaw that I thought showed real initiative. Wanna see?

Suicide is for pussies or the terminally ill.

However, there is a picture I've seen of a guy that cut himself in half with a bandsaw that I thought showed real initiative. Wanna see?
yes

Alright. Took me awhile to dig it up.
Here's a link directly to the pic: Warning!! VERY GRAPHIC!! (http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/bandsaw.htm)
And here's link to the page that the pic came from. Lot's of pics here. All links so you don't have to wait for them to load on slow connection: http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/listpix.htm

While I'm at it, someone posted this link in the Explosives thread that was shut down. Some gruesome shit here too: http://members.shaw.ca/gryphon223/consequences.html

Enjoy.
And. Anyone who clicks those links better be prepared for some nasty shit and don't blame me if you're 'shocked' or 'disgusted'.

my god...that takes balls. How did he even stay conscious?? The dude must've really hated himself...

I've actually tried to hang myself but they cut me down before I died. Why do you ask, are you feeling like killing yourself?

From
http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/bandsaw.htm


"This series shows a victim who committed suicide by cutting himself in half with a band saw."


Excuse me, but how can someone who has comitted suicide be regarded as a "victim"?!


It takes a mind just as sick as the one who committed suicide that way, to call that person a "victim".

Yeah fuck.


And further, to kill yourself this way is really the peak of indecency! Imagine -- other people have to clean up this shit after you.

I agree wholeheartedly, Water.
And this is one of my main complaints about suicide. It's a form of passive agression. It's an assault on the survivors. One which can't be taken back. One for which there is no reprisal. It's a getting the last word.

So, then this:

The dude must've really hated himself...

Is not really the case. The dude must have really hated someone else. Enough to really want to 'show them'. I bet his last thoughts other than "oooooouuuuuccccchhhhh!!!!" were something along the lines of "They'll be sorry."

Although. I must confess that I have wondered from time to time if it wasn't actually a murder rather than a suicide. It is one of the most extreme suicides that I've ever heard of.


If I were to kill myself (and this would only be because of terminal illness) then I'd do it in a bathtub. Slit my wrists. Slit my thighs. Zip bang boom. No muss, no fuss. The only problem would be if there were a large delay in finding the body. It would turn into a rather aromatic stew in short order. So, I'd set it up so that someone was informed of my action within hours of doing it. The timing would be critical. Not too soon. Not too late.

And a chain or string attached tot he stopper would be nice. Maybe even rig up a timer to drain the bathtub on its own after a set amount of time...

What I'm trying to say, is that I'd be considerate about the whole thing.

Since we're brainstorming, a more thoughtful way to kill yourself would be to leave your loved ones emails before going hiking in a secluded area and taking a cyanide pill. Kill yourself on vacation. They wouldn't even have to worry about filing a death certificate since your whereabouts are unknown.

Of course, anyone dumb enough to kill themself for no reason would be too stupid to realize such a plan.

Recently, they have been having a scandal in the Croatian army. Over 1000 officers who participated in the war have committed suicide. That is, it wasn't a mass suicide, they have killed themselves one by one, in their homes, elsewhere, some even in the buildings of the army.
The whole situation has been kept from the public as long as the suiciders were either hanging themselves (one hung himself in his office with the Croatian flag) or shooting themselves. But as the 1043rd cut off his head with a motor chainsaw, the thing finally became public.
Officially, it is because they cannot bear to be treated as heroes while they have committed such atrocities during the war.

(I wanted to find an article on this in English, but had no luck. So you'll just have to take my word for it.)

Alright. I will have to kill myself if I won't find work and would be facing to be a prostitute or a beggar.
I think even that I could kill myself without actually using a weapon or a poison -- by sheer force of will. Otherwise, hanging or gunshot. Cyanide I'm not sure I could get.

That classifies as a 'no reason to kill yourself'. It only shows a lack of perserverance.

edit: cyanide is easy to get. You can even make your own by growing nightshade plants.

Xerxes,

Cyanide? You would have to hate yourself to go that route. Probably about as painful as the bandsaw. Jim Jones ate a bullet, you know.


Water,

If you were a prostitute, how much would you charge?
Kidding.

Sheer force of will, eh?
Heh. I've made similar claims in my more... egotistical moments. And was scoffed at for them, of course. Unless you're a meditation master I doubt that you can die through sheer will power. Dying from the shame of it all.

I'd stay away from hanging. Too many possibilities of strangulation. As CosmicTraveler can apparently attest to. (Put the knot on the side and set it up so you fall several feet. Sheesh.) And gunshot is also messy. Although if you did it outside it wouldn't be so bad, but the fact is, no matter where you kill yourself, inside or out, they're going to pick up every last bit of you so it makes no difference.

My mistake. I was under the impression that Nazi leaders chose it for having properties of being fast and painless. 30 seconds of suffocation is hardly fast...

Fast (relatively) not painless.
You experience horribly painful muscular convulsions.
I saw a picture of one of the children from Waco who died from inhalation of cyanide gas produced by burning of the cs powder (or whatever it was. I forget the specifics.) Her back was practically doubled back on itself her muscular contractions were so severe.

Hitler didn't take his cyanide capsule either. This should say something. He also took a bullet to the head instead.

That classifies as a 'no reason to kill yourself'. It only shows a lack of perserverance.

What makes you so sure?
It is your idealism telling you that "it only shows a lack of perseverance". At some point, it is too late.

'too late'? for what? No matter how much suffering you have to endure, in the end the only justification you need is a desire to be alive. I know its cheesy..but I just have to post this:

DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

--Dylan Thomas





If you want real inspiration, watch 'Touching the Void'. The protagonist was pretty sure that it was 'too late'. Most people would've tried to go asleep and not wake up. But he perservered. And guess what? He's alive and happy.

I was kind of disappointed by the band saw guy. I was hoping he was split from the tip of his cranium to his crotch. That would be a much more comical way to go.

I was kind of disappointed by the band saw guy. I was hoping he was split from the tip of his cranium to his crotch.

Well, let's see .....that's one down and, what, 4 billion to go? :)

I do wish they'd all hurry the hell up, though!

Baron Max

I've actually tried to hang myself but they cut me down before I died. Why do you ask, are you feeling like killing yourself?
I've tried once

From
http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/bandsaw.htm


"This series shows a victim who committed suicide by cutting himself in half with a band saw."


Excuse me, but how can someone who has comitted suicide be regarded as a "victim"?!


It takes a mind just as sick as the one who committed suicide that way, to call that person a "victim".

Yeah fuck.


And further, to kill yourself this way is really the peak of indecency! Imagine -- other people have to clean up this shit after you.
To me, they are victims, victims to this fucking world where you don't mean shit unless you fit in woth everyone else

To me, they are victims, victims to this fucking world where you don't mean shit unless you fit in woth everyone else

Do you really care so much about what other people think of you?

To me, they are victims, victims to this fucking world where you don't mean shit unless you fit in woth everyone else

Victims to this world?
This world to which you don't mean shit?

You're a victim to yourself.
The world possesses no values of its own. Only those injected into it by people.

But. You don't mean the physical world. You mean the social world.
All I got to say to that is 'Fuck em. Fuck all but six.'
As Water said, do you really care so much? No wonder you don't fit in. The ones who lament so about not fitting in actually make themselves not fit in by their rabid desire to do so. By their interpretation of others fitting in so wonderfully well, when in fact they too are only hanging in by the skin of their nose.

There are those who really don't fit in to most social settings, but they generally tend to be the kind that actually don't mind not fitting in. They sure as hell don't kill themselves over it.

By the way, your statement expresses the anger that you feel and proves my point that suicide is an attack. You're trying to 'show them'. Those bastards... Make you a victim, will they...?

I've tried once


Are you thinking about it again? The reason I tried was because of love, I lost two people I really loved within 6 months of each other. I found that I couldn't go on without them for they were my heart and soul. After I went into counseling with good professionals I found that I can do OK by myself, even though they were gone.

That was over 40 years ago and I still remember that moment. You should seek help, either from those you love or professionals that really do help you. If I can help you just private message me and I'll do all I can. There are good people out here if you'll just learn who they are. There are also asholes too, so just beware of them and avoid them whenever possible.

I swear I saw Invert has posted something here, and now it's gone!

No. All my posts seem to be present and accounted for. Unless I've forgotten one. Don't think so.

well my uncle killed himself so i know what it's like for the family afterwards.
It was to do with racism, he never fitted in.
So as a final test he moved to Wales and said to himself "IF i can fit in here i can do it anywhere"
And i guess he couldn't.

I always wanted to know him better, but i don't have that chance now.

Maybe I'm just strange, oh well, death is better than life in a stupid world.

death is better than life in a stupid world

How do you know?

Suicide is so selfish. Think of everyone you leave behind, of everyone that has to deal with the fact that they could have helped you and they didn't, that they failed you. And they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Would you want to do that to your family, your friends? Is there really no absolute choice? Wouldn't it be better to run, and start up anew, or commit your life to god or the poor or the helpless?

Suicide is so selfish. Think of everyone you leave behind, of everyone that has to deal with the fact that they could have helped you and they didn't, that they failed you. And they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Would you want to do that to your family, your friends? Is there really no absolute choice? Wouldn't it be better to run, and start up anew,
or commit your life to god or the poor or the helpless?

This is self-pity, lived vicariously through others.

Suicide is so selfish. Think of everyone you leave behind, of everyone that has to deal with the fact that they could have helped you and they didn't, that they failed you. And they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Would you want to do that to your family, your friends? Is there really no absolute choice? Wouldn't it be better to run, and start up anew, or commit your life to god or the poor or the helpless?


yes! i was thinkg about that too the other day after reading about this person who'd commited suicide and his families reactions

i also have thought about suicide at hea-VY times of my life. though jot actually 'attempting' i havve done self-dstructive phases

i have also felt resentful when i have thought about it for the very reasons you say. a esentment against people feeling really bad if i chose to go

so a person wanting it can be tron between comple diespai and worry about loved ones. really tough

but DO explore this also. just imagine for yourself someone you love topping themselves. that's what i did the other day.

but then again, some 'loved ones' dont realize what they do. how they can add to aperson's despair being unconscious of their shit. and some people -as has been said, kill themselves to get back at others
many people live without really 'touching' each other. sharing deep shit. i dont just mean lovers. but all people. we need to DO this

Maybe I'm just strange, oh well, death is better than life in a stupid world.

Or maybe you're just young. I saw you say you were only fifteen somewhere. So you can be somewhat excused for your confusion. However, you should realize that you're not as 'alone' as you think you are. You really are keeping yourself from being accepted by wanting it so bad. Just calm down. Chill. Stop whining. Look around and realize that everyone else in your age category is a bunch of freaks who are just as lost (if not more) as you.

By the way, you seem to have been fitting in rather well here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=45811

yeh i have, was really depressed at one stage in my life. If you wanna chat more, ask me.

my mum also committed suicide about four years ago.

yeh i have, was really depressed at one stage in my life. If you wanna chat more, ask me.

my mum also committed suicide about four years ago.
I wanna know more.

How do you know?
would it help if I said, "It can't be any worse"?

would it help if I said, "It can't be any worse"?

It can: You could be dead. But that's an extreme. Unless you have AIDS, are in jail, have no prospects to ever find work, are not severely handicapped, and such -- then it isn't so bad.

LIfe is a shit sandwich. Take a bite. Take the biggest bite that you can. And then shit it out and make an even bigger shit sandwich out of it.

(Hint: With enough pepper even shit can become a staple food.)

I wanna know more.

Dude...it takes a LOT to shock me, but your response to him telling you of the loss of his mum with that remark is unbelieveably insensitive!

Dude...it takes a LOT to shock me, but your response to him telling you of the loss of his mum with that remark is unbelieveably insensitive!

I think kornrulz was referring to this:


yeh i have, was really depressed at one stage in my life. If you wanna chat more, ask me.

I think kornrulz was referring to this:
quite right
I found a song I can relate to:

Drowning Pool - "Sermon"

Where was God when I needed a friend
Where was God when I came to an end
Where was God when I lost my mind
Where was God when I couldn't find
Don't want to be up or down
Where was love when I felt like hate
Where was hate when I felt like love
Where were you when you said you'd be there
Where was the fear when I said I was scared
Tell me what you believe
I'll tell you what you should see
'Cause I don't know who to trust
My heart is filled with disgust
I can't take this
Ladies and Gentlemen
May I have your attention
Are you ready for the joke
Are you ready for the great deception

Kornrulz,


It is easy to blame and accuse God, isn't?
But what point does it have to blame God, if you don't believe in Him?

That song is filled with exactly what we've been going on about.
It says 'God' over and over again, but the point is not who is being blamed but rather that someone else is being blamed.
Stand up and be a man, Korny. Stop blaming others. Stop playing the victim.
Look at you. Whining about how miserable your life is and how you don't 'fit in' when you show how well you fit in in the various threads I've seen around here where you're bashing Mewskitty. You're joining in the mob. But it's different when it's /you/ on the ostracizing team, isn't it?

Stop being a victim.
Stand up and take responsibility for your life.

and this means feeling what you feel. This is life. i know you may feel you have it tough. and many of us herer know how tough being a young teenager is.....especially in this world. though the 60s was pretty intense
Feeling is feared by this culture. they want to medicalize it away, and when people really feel in differing and deeper ways, the authroities call it 'mental illness'. you might be new to this, and i dont know if your interested, but i very MUCH am!...i believe mental illness is a myth. they call it a biological illness, and pretend it is curable with their drugs, but really they just mask feeling in its various self-healing expressions

now, look, IF a person feels the need for them, it's their choice, but many dont, and are coerced to take them. for example many children in school now have to take Ritalin, etc.....But i feel it right people should know this. You may not agree, but it might spark a curiousity to look closely at all about this...checkout Thomas Szasz and www.mindfreedom.org

you see, when you shared that poem--which was moving too dude--the critique by some here was concstructive. in that they insight you blaming 'God'........and it follws onto what i've said, cuase when you look at our paradigm. they have swapped 'God' for 'mental illness'...! dig?....'mental illness' is blamed on. but the real thing is to explore your being. dont be afraid to express emotion dude

Invert,


I'm afraid we are giving Kornrulz the impression that we are just two "conscious adults" who really are not likeable at all, bad, wise and selfish, sitting on our thrones of safety as he probably thinks we are, since we are giving him such ubersmart advice -- which I am sure he has heard a hundred times before, and it made him feel even worse.


* * *

Kornrulz,


People do not reject you as easily as you might think. Surely, some do it for trifling reasons. But those people are not worth for you to seek their friendship.

Also, keep in mind that we all have our problems, our busy minds.
If someone rejects you or doesn't have time for you --- this doesn't necessarily have something to do with you. Maybe they have a bad day, maybe they are going through a divorce, maybe they are exhausted from work. Such is life.

Others are human too, you know, not just you.

"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him."--George Orwell

Here's a song from my self-pitying teenage days.

Megadeth - In My Darkest Hour

In my hour of need
Ha [no] you’re not there
And though I reached out for you
Wouldn’t lend a hand.

Through the darkest hour
Grace did not shine on me
It feels so cold, very cold
No one cares for me.

Did you ever think I get lonely
Did you ever think that I needed love
Did you ever think to stop thinking
You’re the only one that I’m thinking of.

You’ll never know how hard I tried
To find my space and satisfy you too.

Things will be better when I’m dead and gone
Don’t try to understand, knowing you I’m probably wrong.

But oh how I lived my life for you
Still you’d turn away
Now as I die for you
My flesh still crawls as I breathe your name
All these years I thought I was wrong
Now I know it was you
Raise you head, raise your face your eyes
Tell me who you think you are, who?

I walk, I walk alone
Into the promised land.

There’s a better place for me
But it’s far, far away
Everlasting life for me
In a perfect world
But I gotta die first,
Please God send me on my way.

Time has a way of taking time
Loneliness is not only felt be fools
Alone I call to ease the pain
Yearning to be held by you, alone so alone, I’m lost
Consumed by the pain
The pain, the pain, the pain.

Won’t you hold me again
You just laughed, ha ha, bitch
My whole life is work built on the past
But the time has come when all things shall pass
This good thing passed away.

In my darkest hour.

Cry me a river

Dear Mr. Kornrulz

Here are the steps to removing yourself from the depression and the hellish pit that love and trust have thrust you in, for you were told that love and trust would bring you comfort, and yet see how low you have sunk for their sake!

1) Be indifferent to all.
2) Do not trust.
3) Do not love.
4) Be ruthless.

And here, here is the greatest commandment of them all.
5) Do unto others before they do unto you.


I have learned this the hard way kornrulz. Waiting in order to have the happiness others appear to have in their life is futile, for appearances are deceiving as water said. There is no love and there is no joy to be found and these are only fleeting passions which will not fill your spirit when it is dark and you are alone.

Do not envy the joy of others, but rather take it away from them and let them join you in pain. Morality is for cowards. Just look at invert..

Southstar,

Your advice is just as self-pitying as his present behavior.

You really should go back to church. You're falling apart, old man.

Morality is for cowards. Just look at invert..

Interesting.
I'm unsure if you're calling me a moral coward or the opposite. I somehow suspect the former.
I wonder why?
Are you upset about your banning? I feel somewhat bad about that, you know. I think it was a crock of shit. You clearly used double talk so that you weren't actually insulting Truthseeker. Unless you were banned for a different infraction.
Anyway. I was actually considering offering myself up for a week ban and let you and Roman back in. But I never did. I doubt if they would have gone for it anyway.

Jesus loves you, Southstar.

Southstar,

Your advice is just as self-pitying as his present behavior.

You really should go back to church. You're falling apart, old man.

The priest said I was too old. to believe in that shit.

Interesting.
I'm unsure if you're calling me a moral coward or the opposite. I somehow suspect the former.
I wonder why?
Are you upset about your banning? I feel somewhat bad about that, you know. I think it was a crock of shit. You clearly used double talk so that you weren't actually insulting Truthseeker. Unless you were banned for a different infraction.
Anyway. I was actually considering offering myself up for a week ban and let you and Roman back in. But I never did. I doubt if they would have gone for it anyway.

Jesus loves you, Southstar.

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Wonder if he's Catholic too.. Well the ban didn't bother me although I am worried about its implications. Next thing you know wesmorris will be banned for saying "feck you". As long as you weren't going to fight for that more on (as you call him), you're a good man.

*Crosses fingers* I better not be banned for this shit.


As for that last comment I was actually telling him to learn from you. Interesting spiel there on anal sex. If he can't dominate people in the 'keister', he might as well go for the next best thing.

See you in three days.

kornrulz:

1. Have you tried being less 15?
2. Do you not know any nice girls?
3. Life is a shit sandwich - consume and enjoy.
4. Try using FONT SIZE 7 more. In life, I mean. Not in here.

Southstar,

I don't think you can get banned for talking shit in the cesspool, you cocksucking ass felcher. (heh)

To tell the truth, I'm kinda surprised that I wasn't banned. I didn't actually call him a moron, but I said it almost as much as you did. I suppose the difference must have been that I said it was pointless to actually say it as it was a given. So. I didn't actually say it. But neither did you. Really. Anyway. Who knows? Things ebb and flow around here sometimes.

Pretty funny that Truthseeker got banned for 30 days, ain't it?

As for that last comment I was actually telling him to learn from you. Interesting spiel there on anal sex. If he can't dominate people in the 'keister', he might as well go for the next best thing.

Heh. Yeah. I suppose so. But it was a little more indepth than just anal sex. Simple ass rape is Lou's proposition. I added enticement to the act. To undermine their morals.

Make them beg for their maltreatment.
Kinda like religion.

Much more effective than simple rape.

Cry me a river

Dear Mr. Kornrulz

Here are the steps to removing yourself from the depression and the hellish pit that love and trust have thrust you in, for you were told that love and trust would bring you comfort, and yet see how low you have sunk for their sake!

1) Be indifferent to all.
2) Do not trust.
3) Do not love.
4) Be ruthless.

And here, here is the greatest commandment of them all.
5) Do unto others before they do unto you.


I have learned this the hard way kornrulz. Waiting in order to have the happiness others appear to have in their life is futile, for appearances are deceiving as water said. There is no love and there is no joy to be found and these are only fleeting passions which will not fill your spirit when it is dark and you are alone.

Do not envy the joy of others, but rather take it away from them and let them join you in pain. Morality is for cowards. Just look at invert..


Leave me out of your hellish brew, you martyr for indifference, distrust, hate and lovelessness!


* * *

And the reason why you detest love so much is because you can't buy it, you can't earn it, and you can't make someone love you.

1) Be indifferent to all.
2) Do not trust.
3) Do not love.
4) Be ruthless.

And here, here is the greatest commandment of them all.
5) Do unto others before they do unto you.

This sounds a lot like Stalins philosophy. He turned the Soviet Union into a heck of a paradise, no?

Stalin had a philosophy?

Yeah. Kill everyone who might be disloyal to the party, even your best friends (which he often did).

Leave me out of your hellish brew, you martyr for indifference, distrust, hate and lovelessness!

Contrary to popular opinion, 'love' is no opposite of 'hate'. Scratch out the last three.

And the reason why you detest love so much is because you can't buy it, you can't earn it, and you can't make someone love you.

What man can trust love having not first loved trust?

Yeah. Kill everyone who might be disloyal to the party, even your best friends (which he often did).

Stalin knew morality was for cowards. Hm, must be the moustache..

http://www.funkypanda.com/dictators/hitler.jpg http://www.funkypanda.com/dictators/saddam.jpg http://www.funkypanda.com/dictators/stalin.jpg http://www.funkypanda.com/dictators/castro2.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khomeini.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~m_thomas3/funny/pics/Bush.jpg

My my..

Pretty funny that Truthseeker got banned for 30 days, ain't it?

It was about time too for that motherfucking shit-swallowing bastardized cocksucking cunt-smelling asshole-licker. (Ok ok I found that one on the web. Didn't exactly grow up lapping from the potty you know).

Considering all the insults that get thrown around here and there, getting three days for telling the truth ranks worse than what happened in Abu Ghraib. Everyone was thinking it anyway..

And when do you plan to stop picking on me about Christianity? Do I need to set Assmaster Lou on you to teach you some respect via not so pleasant orifice-gaping?

(Jesus, I just tried searching for 'assmaster' on Google Image search to find some funny pic to insert here.. Better not do that again.)

so we have forgotten about the serious subject of 'suicide'...?

so we have forgotten about the serious subject of 'suicide'...?

Nope. What is being done here is a menticide. Performed on oneself, it qualifies as suicide.

Leave me out of your hellish brew, you martyr for indifference, distrust, hate and lovelessness!

Contrary to popular opinion, 'love' is no opposite of 'hate'. Scratch out the last three.

I never said love is the opposite of hate. This is why I listed both hate and lovelessness.

Oh, so you do agree to be a martyr for indifference?

This is just pathetic. No, I take that back. To call someone who is being a martyr for indifference pathetic -- now *that* would be pathetic.

You know what you are? You're not a martyr, you don't really have such issues with logical fallacies and the inherent dubiousness of human knowledge. You are unhappy. Just that. Excactly so.


And the reason why you detest love so much is because you can't buy it, you can't earn it, and you can't make someone love you.

What man can trust love having not first loved trust?

Lovely. My first syntactic grin today. I relish in having to think about a sentence's structure.

But you won't fool me, boy-o.
You are merely making up excuses, reasons, rationalizations, and all that asshead shit to be a blanket for your unhappiness.

When you *know*, know *exactly* what it is that you need, and want.

Invert,


Stop mentioning SouthStar and Christianity in the same sentence.
SouthStar is a Christian as much as I am the Queen of England.

Xev was right. I should develop my own insults. I am torn though. My native language has rich word formation patterns for insults that don't translate into English. Hm.

I wasn't really picking on Southstar for being a christian. But rather for being an ex-christian.

See. When he was a christian, he was overflowing with all the beatitudes and pleasantries which christians love to spout. Showing themselves to be so moral and kind and loving and pleasant and right with God.

Well. When he 'fell', it seems that he lost his moral background. I recall in his original thread on his loss of faith that he was going on about moral issues. About how there's no reason to be moral anymore. Something like that.

Now. I'm one that believes that morals as dogma are crap and that the individual must determine his own morals to live his life by, but sometimes I wonder if Southstar is able to do that. If he hasn't depended so long on christianity to tell him what to do that he is inept in moral issues.

I suppose I'm being rough on him, he's still fresh from his fall and is still flailing about looking for the center, but sometimes I wonder if he'll find it. That's all. I hope he does.

I hope you do, Southstar.

But when you say things like that list you posted a page ago. It makes me wonder. And hence my joke about you needing to go back to church.

I suppose that much of these things that worry me about you are said tongue-in-cheek? After all, many here say things that could be considered grotesque and I don't go worrying about their ability to make moral decisions.

I'll try to make an effort not to jibe you about your ex-christianity though. I'll do that. See how it goes. (By the way, you were catholic? Always had you figured for a baptist or maybe a seventh-day adventist or something. One of the real fire and brimstone churches. How goes it out there, anyway? Does your family know yet? Or do you still go through the motions for them? I imagine if you did that this would add to your anger and confusion.)


So. Anyway. Please don't sick Lou the assmaster on me. I'll be 'good'. For now.


Duendy,

The suicidal 'patient' has lost interest, it would seem. Probably off moping somewhere about how nobody understands him.

Xev was right. I should develop my own insults. I am torn though. My native language has rich word formation patterns for insults that don't translate into English. Hm.

Oh. Go ahead and mix it up. You might be able to circumvent Goofy's wrath by making people say, "huh?" Here you'd be hurling Slovenian fury at them and they don't even understand...
The smart ones would eventually start to figure it out and maybe we could make it into a sort of lesson on the ambiguity and strangeness of language.

Your majesty.
*bows*

PEople are sick. The only people sicker than those gross fucks who mutilated themselves because they coulkdnt get laid are the people who get off by looking at it, and thinking its funny. Kill yourself and stop being a pussy by asking for directions!

Your majesty.
*bows*

Let's leave it at 'Princess Consort' for now. ;)

Invert,


Maybe I should pick on you for shitting in your diapers when you were a screaming little brat? Or maybe I should mourn for the days when you were still a lovely boy, but who turned into a freak later?
Ah, them anachronisms.


* * *

SouthStar,

Hkm. If I am "Princess Consort" for now -- does this mean you are wearing an OT tunic and sandals?

I have known some lapsed catholics, and they've been tearaways
I also think of the Mafiosa. When you see films like Mean Streets, Goodfellahs, etc., they truly shock with their visciousness. Callous visciousness.
Also read that for real, mafia men played cards in one room which they hung victims they'd whacked in the bathroom to drain their blood sos they'd be lighter and cleaner to deal with getting rid of..!

Of course i have reflected all about where such utter callousness comes from. To me it is inevitable a reaction to a belief that is also callous. that guilts the victim since it can talk. so that when belief it is 'shucked off'---albeit consciously, all respect for life goes outta the window. all that's left is deep unresolved resentment, which can manifest as viscious hunger for revenge

of course these are extreme cases. but beliefs that cause such existential alienation have a lot to answer for. A kid accosted by them has no defense!

Kill yourself and stop being a pussy by asking for directions!

This is a mean thing to say. Nobody invented himself, at least in the beginning, people cannot but ask for directions.

I never said love is the opposite of hate. This is why I listed both hate and lovelessness.

Oh, so you do agree to be a martyr for indifference?

This is just pathetic. No, I take that back. To call someone who is being a martyr for indifference pathetic -- now *that* would be pathetic.

You know what you are? You're not a martyr, you don't really have such issues with logical fallacies and the inherent dubiousness of human knowledge. You are unhappy. Just that. Excactly so.

Well although it was my fault for not clarifying, I would expect you to figure it out instead of harping on a mistake.

"Martyr for indifference" is evidently a contradiction in terms.

Lovely. My first syntactic grin today. I relish in having to think about a sentence's structure.

But you won't fool me, boy-o.
You are merely making up excuses, reasons, rationalizations, and all that asshead shit to be a blanket for your unhappiness.

When you *know*, know *exactly* what it is that you need, and want.

Is dissatisfaction unhappiness for you?

*Have a field day with that one*

SouthStar,

Hkm. If I am "Princess Consort" for now -- does this mean you are wearing an OT tunic and sandals?

I can endure this till the beginning of next month.

***

Just throwing the question out there for anyone:

Does it take more courage to pull or not pull the trigger?

PEople are sick. The only people sicker than those gross fucks who mutilated themselves because they coulkdnt get laid are the people who get off by looking at it, and thinking its funny. Kill yourself and stop being a pussy by asking for directions!

You wouldn't happen to be Mewskitty hoping to start afresh, would you?

Well although it was my fault for not clarifying, I would expect you to figure it out instead of harping on a mistake.

I wasn't "harping on a mistake". It was there.


"Martyr for indifference" is evidently a contradiction in terms.

People love this.
It is the tension of the contradiction that gives strength in ennui.


Is dissatisfaction unhappiness for you?

Eventually, yes.


I can endure this till the beginning of next month.

And then what?
You'll come in a miniskirt and stilletos?



* * *

Just throwing the question out there for anyone:

Does it take more courage to pull or not pull the trigger?

Essentially, your question is about whether it takes more courage to live than to die.
One can vegetate though, be alive, yet neither be living nor dying: but waiting.

Not having the courage to live doesn't mean you're ready to die. Those people wait. While waiting, they ask questions like "Does it take more courage to pull or not pull the trigger?"

Just throwing the question out there for anyone:

Does it take more courage to pull or not pull the trigger?

What does the person potentially committing suicide fear most? Life or death? Perhaps therein lies an answer.

Alright. I will have to kill myself if I won't find work and would be facing to be a prostitute or a beggar.


sick puppy

have you ever thought that may atually be the only choices some people have??


work-well im in the `lucky country- and i made 20 bucks this week-.thats about 18 bucks .us

1st is bloomin rare 30 % unemployed
2nd well maybe you want to be- but thats a desperate last resort for me or any of my reles

grrr

and the third is laughable-lost cause in a country towen

welcome to the `lucky country'


when you havent even got enough money to buy a days food-then open ya muth smartarse
(and before ya go smartarse beggar wannabe-im living in a mates shed-i got no food and i wont have no food until next thursday)

but thanx to the www-i got a net connection

so alls good-cause data is soooooo tasty

and the rest of you sick bastards-sheeet heres a bloody clue

maybe the next person feelin down is down

and when YOU smartarse-you might just be the one responsible for the next `media school house shooting'


but thats just the im so smarty yank attitude-i dont give a s..t-cause im so perfect

Boppa,


have you ever thought that may atually be the only choices some people have??


work-well im in the `lucky country- and i made 20 bucks this week-.thats about 18 bucks .us

Ever hear the saying about what you make of yourself when you assume?

You just did.

grrr

They're grrrrrreat!
Ha!!
You a funny guy.

Seriously.
Do you have a point or is spouting inanity just your thing?

maybe the next person feelin down is down

and when YOU smartarse-you might just be the one responsible for the next `media school house shooting'

Hopefully it'll be at your school house and you'll be the first victim.
*fingers crossed*

but thats just the im so smarty yank attitude-i dont give a s..t-cause im so perfect

Yes. Because we're all 'yank's' here, right? I propose that you always immediately accuse any that hold viewpoints that make go, "grrr" to be 'yanks'. Am I right?
You're an ass.

I feel that we were giving the boy good advice. What advice would you give the little whiny bastard?
Oh? What's that?
You have no advice?
You can only whine yourself?
Figures.

Speaking of developing your own insults, I'll borrow one from one of our moderators here.
You should kill yourself.

Hm.


If one dies of a broken heart, does this qualify as suicide?

NOTE: Not that one would wail and feel sorry for oneself, and wa wa wa ooooh. I'm not interested in those people.

Just simply die of a broken heart, the way they do in old English novels. Not consumed by grief and self-pity. An almost happy death.

If one dies of cholesterol, is it suicide?

You can live as long as you desire

That's not true! What if someone kills you?
Eh.

My point is not immortality. Its that most people die before their time because of bad choices.

You won't get murdered if you watch your back.

Alright. Those in the Towers have made a "bad choice" that day, they didn't watch their back ...

I'm saying that you ascribe humans more power and control than they actually have.

Seeing the dictators pictures above our would-be's photo reminds me that it has been going on for a long time -
Adolf Hitler pointed out that he was the sole leader in Europe who expressed “understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt”?

Also, it takes more guts to live than to die.
For a lot of people, it might take more brains to die...
but not more guts. <---cynical comment

Cole,

If you have a lot of guts -- prepare to get them spilled!

:p

Maybe I should pick on you for shitting in your diapers when you were a screaming little brat?

But that was WEEKS ago!!

Or maybe I should mourn for the days when you were still a lovely boy, but who turned into a freak later?

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/7639/meanddad0ha.jpg

You should mourn for me. I was a cute little bastard. I have a pic around of me 'going fishing' that I oughta scan one of these days.

(Freak? Me? Really?)

This is a mean thing to say. Nobody invented himself, at least in the beginning, people cannot but ask for directions.

Don't worry about MissKitty. An 8-year-old got ahold of daddy's computer again. Or so it would appear.

"Martyr for indifference" is evidently a contradiction in terms.

Ha! You're right. That's a nice one. Although, it's not necessarily so. Martyrs are usually made after the fact right? One doesn't title oneself a martyr. At least not effectively. It is in other people's eyes that they become a martyr. So, in this case it's not so much a contradiction.

Is dissatisfaction unhappiness for you?

Generally so, yes. I suppose you're getting at the issue of completion. That if you're desires are fulfilled then what's the point of continuing? Comfort is a thing which should not be achieved. Only sought. Happiness is fleeting, and that's a good thing. Satisfaction is for sheep.

Does it take more courage to pull or not pull the trigger?

Depends. Circumstances vary.

If one dies of a broken heart, does this qualify as suicide?

People don't die of 'broken hearts'. They may lose the will to live and thus neglect themselves which leads to death. And in this case, yes. It is suicide.

Or they have a heart attack which is contrary to the point.

If one dies of cholesterol, is it suicide?

In other words, you're talking about healthy eating.
Dogma changes. What is healthy one day is unhealthy the next. However, you could call hardening of the arteries a slow form of suicide. But, it's not intentional. It's not about dying. It's about satisfying the urges of living.

There was an episode of Futurama where Bender the robot got turned into a human being. Being new to the flesh he had no resistance to the temptations of the flesh and within weeks partied, feasted, fucked, lived himself into this huge flat blob of humanity hungry for ever more experience. And died. He didn't kill himself. He lived himself. Burning a candle at both ends is the common expression, I believe.

You won't get murdered if you watch your back.

Yeah, right. Shit happens. 'Watching your back' might well lead to your being murdered. Stranger things have happened.

Also, it takes more guts to live than to die.

Sometimes. In most circumstances. However, there are circumstances where I think suicide is acceptable. And in these circumstances the easy course might very well be to stay alive.

Hey, my fone got cut off and I've not been to school since Thursday, there you go

Hey, my fone got cut off and I've not been to school since Thursday, there you go
Just kill yourself, plz

Bite me, you sonuvabitch

"People don't die of 'broken hearts'. They may lose the will to live and thus neglect themselves which leads to death. And in this case, yes. It is suicide."

No, I'm not talking about those.
I suppose I'll have to set an example. But then you'll never know ...

What is kornrulz's deal? He should just kill himself

Mitchell, okay. Here's the deal: Give a persuasive a reason why Kornrulz should do as you say.

Cole,

If you have a lot of guts -- prepare to get them spilled!

:p
Easy there, she-deathbeast, just remember , I will wish you into the cornfield if you get out of hand, hahaha.


INVERT,
did you see, 'the sea inside'? that is a rare situation where it takes more guts to die than to live, because to die he must fight, he can't just kill himself.
It takes some courage to die if you want to live, but i thought we were assuming the person in question wants to die. It takes more courage to live if you want to die, prepared to fight for the return of hope (especially if you know that is all some people get).

... prepared to fight for the return of hope ...

This is a really deep concept, Cole, thank you.

kornrulz,

Are you man enough to follow mitchell's advice?

I'll get back to everyone else tomorrow or Wednesday maybe. Nice pic invert.
If one dies from a broken heart, well hell, you've got to be pretty pathetic to not have control over your emotions. Suck it up, I say.

- Not satisfied with life but not looking for death.

no, it takes guts to kill oneself as well

also, it takes real guts to explore deep emotions in life

no, it takes guts to kill oneself as well

We know that. I was saying it takes "more" guts to live if you want to die, than die.

If one dies from a broken heart, well hell, you've got to be pretty pathetic to not have control over your emotions. Suck it up, I say.


Ah. Have you never heard of a happy death from a broken heart?
One just withers away, not in pain, not in sorrow, not in shame or guilt.

We know that. I was saying it takes "more" guts to live if you want to die, than die.

heh...but to say "more" guts is just another way of feeling superior about living or hanging on

also, Stan Grof did some psychdelic therapy with people with terminal illnesses. he found that many were holding on to life. after they had deep experiences they found they could let go

and also. we cant just lump everyone togther. it's complex. we cant create the gutless group and the more-guts group. ts more complex than that. some poeple who commit suicide have been to the most awful places psychologically. so to add on thaT THEY ARE LESS guts-full than some one who has a fairly comfortable ride is not really deep enuf for me. how do I know..you know what a person's going through?

Kornrulz is stupid, so he should kill himself and put the world out of its misery

Kornrulz is stupid, so he should kill himself and put the world out of its misery

Oh my, Mitchell, do you think Kornrulz has messianic abilities? That if he kills himself, this will put the world out of its misery?
Whew.

Kornrulz is stupid, so he should kill himself and put the world out of its misery

whay you being so hard faced?
if say you werer feeling low and suicidal and someone's reaction was like yer givin Konrulz, how would you feel?
dont elaborate. just a simple answer. how would you FEEL?

Oh my, Mitchell, do you think Kornrulz has messianic abilities? That if he kills himself, this will put the world out of its misery?
Whew.

I say let's give it a try!

I'm only joking, kornrulz. I love you really, man, even though you have rubbish taste in music. It's rubbish being a kid, isn't it? And yet great too in a way.

I guess that I'm not near as hated as I thought, at least not by some people

Naw, man I luv u like a brother. Alright? I'm sorry for being a dick, just havin' a rough time today. Also, I would hate it to be in ur shoes, so sorry kornrulz

I guess that I'm not near as hated as I thought, at least not by some people

The hell?
Fuck you then.
Kill yourself. If you see this thread as people hating you then just fucking kill yourself. Do it now. Do it messy. Make the biggest fucking mess possible so that you'll show them all. SHOW THEM YOU'RE A MAN AND KILL YOURSELF.

Fuck this thread and fuck you.

I was just saying, that the way most were talkin, I was quite hated, but obviously not. Makes me fell good about my self

Like I said, ur awesome, and korn does rule

Why the fuck do you care if you're hated?
Why the fuck would anybody here hate you?
Just because we don't hate you doesn't mean we like you.
I don't like you. I think you're a whiny little pussy.
I think you're so steeped in self-pity that you haven't pulled your head out of your ass in years.
I bet most others here don't like you either.
This Mitchell character is obviously either a real-world friend or your puppet. I think you're full of shit.

As I said before, Fuck this thread and fuck you.
I'm done in here.

Yes, I am his friend. He is the one who showed me this site. I liked it and so here I am. He is truly a good guy, just a bit off sometimes. Invert, do u like the word, "fuck"? Is it cuz u can't get any chicks to "fuck" you?

Probably is, my friend. Ah what the hell? I quit and am never comin back to this site again. Fuck all y'all, hope you rot in hell

Dumbasses, runnin' ppl off Fuck it, I'm out dumbfucks

Kornrulz/Mitchell:

Not only are you a self-pitying little fuck (unless it's an act) but you're stupid too. I mean, nobody can see one logging off and the other logging on... right?

Kill yourself. Do it now.

Ladies, what you're saying is a crock of shit.

Water, you didn't address your post but I'm sure you're talking about Kornrulz/Mitchell, yes? They're not ladies, they're lady. Singular. By the way, it's back. Hello, jfkldjfkdjsfjhdfdjfk. I see you. Hopefully such an inane user name means you'll forget it and won't be able to log back in.

You betcha. Anyone who keeps saying fuck is a lady.

Oh-ho! So you are calling me a lady.
Huhm.
Wanna fight about it?
I got a vat of jello over here. You and Gendanken never had that wrestling match that she offered, but if I'm a lady now, I suppose I can do it instead...
Have at you!

There's one interesting psychological phenomenon here though: How quickly they change their minds. One second, they're sending off eachother to hell and fuck you and all that, and a little later, they're all luv and brotha, and next thing you know, they're back in the fuck-you mode.

I find this unsteadiness disturbing.

It shows it's stupidity. It can't even stop itself from answering it's own threads from it's previous incarnations. Look at the Lollipop Lust Kill thread. Mitchell asks if anyone's heard of the band. Their new incarnation, jfkldjfkdjsfjhdfdjfk, can't help but respond that he's never heard of them. Someone else responds saying "Google them". Then jfkldjfkdjsfjhdfdjfk responds with some info about them being a murder band or some stupid shit. I have the feeling that it's iq is VERY low. I'm surprised it can type.

Yeah, Invert, you are a lady, but I'm not.

Well, I don't know ... Shall we fling mud at eachother anyway?

Alright, I'll begin, since you offered.

* * *

Invert, you are stupid.

Hmm. Know what I'm wondering? Is it also MewsKitty?

Invert, you are stupid.

Ah. But ladies don't fling mud. I'm much too demure for such violent activity. Give me some flowers and take me to the drive-in.

"Invert, you are stupid. " -- wait and see. It will eat you up.

But anyway, to hell with intelligent insults, I have to practice mine:

You want flowers? What for? To cry over your lost and wasted youth over them, and then plucking them apart, little by little, as you ....
Shit. Try again:

* * *

Invert, I see that you have set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.
You are validating all my prejudice against men: You are persuaded that what comes out of your ass are daisies. When all there is to you is your gonorrhoeic diarrhoea of words, words, and once more words that would make a sane man rather endeavour to peel paint off the walls by mere power of look, rather than listen to one more word by you. The buzzing thing in your cranium isn't the brain, but the stoned remains of the cum that are there over since you were last visited by the ass fairy, aka The AssMaster. And you have been visited very well, in-deep, indeed.


* * *
Me needs practice.

You are validating all my prejudice against men:

I thought I was a a lady? Why am I wearing this dress then?

You are persuaded that what comes out of your ass are daisies.

Daisies? How DARE you?! Roses. Only roses. And black roses in honor of our thread starter, the dearly depressed Kornrulz.
But my shit doesn't smell like rose. Instead, my roses smell like shit.

When all there is to you is your gonorrhoeic diarrhoea of words, words, and once more words that would make a sane man rather endeavour to peel paint off the walls by mere power of look, rather than listen to one more word by you.

Pot calling the kettle black?
Words. Our curse, yes? And our blessing?

The buzzing thing in your cranium isn't the brain, but the stoned remains of the cum that are there over since you were last visited by the ass fairy, aka The AssMaster. And you have been visited very well, in-deep, indeed.

Now this was just over the top.
I'm going to kill myself now. Obviously everyone hates me.


Bah. I can't stay mad at you. Come on. Let's go to the spring social together. You drive. I'll bring the roses.

Ah, shove it then, Becky.

Ah, shove it then, Becky.

Aww. Does nobody love me?

(Reminds me of a line from Cabin Boy: "Is that your Sunday dress, Susie?)

And you have just wasted your last lap dog opportunity, Susan.

We love you as long as you don't question our love.

What?! I could have been a lap dog if I'd played my cards right? Damnable fate. I curse this world!! Guess I'll go eat worms.

We love you as long as you don't question our love.

Hey. This reminds me of a song. Check out the Radio thread for details.

(By the way, I believe I was correct about the identity of MewsKitty.)

who's gonna be the first to cum then?

I can answer that duendy.....

..Gumby

Fuck It The Way I See It - If Your Down To Kill Yourself Being That It's a Sin Anyways - You Should Plan A Robbing Spree, Equipped With Guns Or Whatever. Go Crazy - If You Actually Go Through With It Sucessfully Your Rich If Not You Die Anyways.

Fuck It The Way I See It - If Your Down To Kill Yourself Being That It's a Sin Anyways - You Should Plan A Robbing Spree, Equipped With Guns Or Whatever. Go Crazy - If You Actually Go Through With It Sucessfully Your Rich If Not You Die Anyways.

At least make it somebody that deserves death. Make it a noble "crazy." Don't take out innocent and as-yet un-brainwashed children.

for that guy who cut himself in half with a band saw...how did he cut all the way through...he must have takin pain killers or sumtin really strong to have pushed himself all the way through

Alright. Took me awhile to dig it up.
Here's a link directly to the pic: Warning!! VERY GRAPHIC!! (http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/bandsaw.htm)
And here's link to the page that the pic came from. Lot's of pics here. All links so you don't have to wait for them to load on slow connection: http://www.suicidemethods.net/pix/listpix.htm

While I'm at it, someone posted this link in the Explosives thread that was shut down. Some gruesome shit here too: http://members.shaw.ca/gryphon223/consequences.html

Enjoy.
And. Anyone who clicks those links better be prepared for some nasty shit and don't blame me if you're 'shocked' or 'disgusted'.



how do u no that those are all suicides? what if they were well executed murders..?

omg.. those images r fucking disturbing.. why did u post that site?! fuck that is sick as fuck.