Palestinian suicide bombers have struck in Israel attacking a crowded shopping parade in the desert city which hosts the country's secretive nuclear program. :eek:

Ambulance workers reported one innocent civilian dead and 11 wounded.

The Al-Asqa Martyrs Brigade, the militant group that claimed the attack, said the bombers were from Gaza, making it likely that they had managed to cross the territory's Rafah crossing into Egypt when Islamist Hamas militants blew it up last month.
Wiitnesses at the scene said the first bomber detonated his device before his accomplice, wounding the second man before his explosives could detonate.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3303309.ece

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3502572,00.html

I'm waiting for some moron to blame W. :rolleyes:

Under a blockade since last June, with 1.5 million people undergoing collective punishment, its not surprising.

How long since the last one?

Hmm Israeli has a nuclear city?

6 months under a blockade, with 1.5 million people undergoing collective punishment, its not surprising.
How long since the last one?
Hmm Israeli has a nuclear city?

A year I think. Of course they do. ;)

A year I think. Of course they do. ;)

So Hamas has resumed following Israeli policy of collective punishment.

let Egypt take care of that mess. they've got a natural ally of the Muslim Brotherhood on their border. they better fix the border situation before their own government gets destabilized.

there already has been a skirmish between Egyptian soldiers and Palis leaving 1 Pali dead + 6 wounded... happening over rock-throwing. but you see, Egyptian soldiers arent held to the same standard as IDFers so it's no big deal.

I have a better idea. Supply Palestinians with f-16s, so they can conduct war in a civilised manner. No one cares about collateral damages.

SAM y dont u go to Gaza and become a human shield against the evil Egyptian soldiers. you really do need those 72 virgins to treat you right.

Nah, its more humane to press buttons in the air. More productive too.

2007:

Palestinians : 373 (290 from Gaza)

Israelis : 13

Though there is the advantage that the Palestinians get more press.

it's alright. you will lose your virginity eventually...

Celebrating my death a bit prematurely, aren't you? :)

I blame W.

Celebrating my death a bit prematurely, aren't you? :)

i just wished something very nice for you: to get laid.

There was also a blast in Sri Lanka. The LTTE targeted a bus, so the death toll was higher.

They had a hat trick, actually, three days running.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7225488.stm



At least 13 people are believed to have died in a bomb attack on a civilian bus in northern Sri Lanka, the army says.

They say that the bomb went off near the town of Anuradhapura.

At least 11 people were killed in a suicide attack at Colombo's main railway station on Sunday.

And on Saturday, 18 people died in another bus blast in the central town of Dambulla.

Under a blockade since last June, with 1.5 million people undergoing collective punishment, its not surprising.

How long since the last one?

Hmm Israeli has a nuclear city?

if they came from gaza its not a surprise because they blow up the wall.
if anyone had doubts it is used for preventing suicide bombings here is your proof.

though, new estimates say they came from the west bank. no blockade there.

one way or the other, were not going to have peace with this scumbags.

if they came from gaza its not a surprise because they blow up the wall.
if anyone had doubts it is used for preventing suicide bombings here is your proof.

though, new estimates say they came from the west bank. no blockade there.

one way or the other, were not going to have peace with this scumbags.

its the sides degenerating each other like your use of scum bag is what prevents peace

its the sides degenerating each other like your use of scum bag is what prevents peace

lets see you speak after a suicide bomber hits your nearby mall. i wonder what peace youll talk after youll see body parts flying in the air.

lets see you speak after a suicide bomber hits your nearby mall. i wonder what peace youll talk after youll see body parts flying in the air.

i would refer to the person who did with horrid names you used the term scumbag as far as i could tell to refer to all the people in gaza

its all W.'s fault. (she asked for it)

i would refer to the person who did with horrid names you used the term scumbag as far as i could tell to refer to all the people in gaza

i dont know about all the people in gaza but the scumbags are in power, and again, today was a celebration day. they gave candys and flowers, as usual.

Maybe they are enjoying their special diet. Let them eat candy!

Maybe they are enjoying their special diet. Let them eat candy!

i didnt know killing israelis is dietetic.
of course israelis life, as derived by your response, worth less and their death is an acceptable sacrifice.

I like how one embarrassingly didn't die straight away, and then a cop shot him in the head 5 times. How humiliating.
He'll get to heaven and everyone will just be pissing themselves laughing at him, and then allah will give him really fat ugly virgins as a joke.

I like how one embarrassingly didn't die straight away, and then a cop shot him in the head 5 times. How humiliating.
He'll get to heaven and everyone will just be pissing themselves laughing at him, and then allah will give him really fat ugly virgins as a joke.

Shit, I was hoping Allah at least was a remorseful deity.
Dash!, he's a vindictive prick too! ( Oh-Oh! kill-Spud becomes the new national sport in several countries of ill-repute!).

Nah, its more humane to press buttons in the air. More productive too.

2007:

Palestinians : 373 (290 from Gaza)

Israelis : 13

Though there is the advantage that the Palestinians get more press.
Perhaps you need to look at atrocities commited in your own county against your own people first before embarking on a crusade to justify the cause of some people who are not of your ethnicity.

Let me refresh your memory...

One million Dalits work as manual scavengers, cleaning latrines and sewers by hand and clearing away dead animals

An estimated 40 million people in India, most of them Dalits, are bonded workers, many working in slave-like conditions to pay off debts that were incurred generations ago. The majority of Dalits live in segregation and experience violence, murder, rape and atrocities to the scale of 110,000 registered cases a year according to 2005 statistics. No one believes these numbers are anywhere close to the reality of crimes committed against Dalits. Most crimes go unreported, and few registered cases ever get to trial.

Discrimination against Dalits is not limited to the Hindu community. This situation is exacerbated by the fact that non-Hindu Dalit groups have traditionally not been recognized as Scheduled Castes under hiring quota laws. The Dalit Muslims or "Arzal", as well as Dalit Christians form an integral part of the caste system in South Asia among Muslims and Christians. Many Dalit Muslims are discriminated against by the upper-caste "Ashraf" Muslims, and Dalit Christians discriminated against by upper caste Christian priests and Nuns. Dalits and similar groups are also found in Nepal, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Now why are you going apeshit about just 4 million palestinians for?
Are your country folk less people to you than the palestinians?

Old saying "charity begins at home"....assuming that India is your real home of course!

I like how one embarrassingly didn't die straight away, and then a cop shot him in the head 5 times. How humiliating.
He'll get to heaven and everyone will just be pissing themselves laughing at him, and then allah will give him really fat ugly virgins as a joke.

he was attempting to the trigger hes bomb.

its all W.'s fault. (she asked for it)

Isn't everything? :rolleyes:

He'll get to heaven and everyone will just be pissing themselves laughing at him, and then allah will give him really fat ugly virgins as a joke.

Suicide bombers don't get the chance to go to Heaven. They go straight to hell.

As much as I disagree with the "terrorists'" actions, the Palestinians do have a right to do what they do and all that they do, regardless of their actions, can only be classified as defence.

It amuses me when Americans make exclamations such as "Oh noes, the Palestinians attacked the Israelis and bombed a bunch of children"

However, are they unaware that THE ISRAELIS ARE ON THEIR FUCKING LAND?

I was wrong about there not being a demonic muslim terror attack in Israel for about a year. They happen hourly according to a muslim expert:

"There have been several homicide bombings and regardless of that, many terrorist attacks by Islamic terrorists on Jews in Israel, on an almost-hourly basis in Israel, since the beginning of the year, and every day before that. You just don't hear about it, b/c it isn't reported in the Western media. The only "first" that yesterday's homicide bombing in Dimona constitutes is the first homicide bombing in Dimona this year. Not the first inside Israel. And that is the important distinction here."

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/02/videos_of_the_d_3.html

I LOVE that they shot the second demonic muslim terrorist as he was going for his explosives vest. HA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf0eX18IlgA

As much as I disagree with the "terrorists'" actions, the Palestinians do have a right to do what they do and all that they do, regardless of their actions, can only be classified as defence.

It amuses me when Americans make exclamations such as "Oh noes, the Palestinians attacked the Israelis and bombed a bunch of children"

However, are they unaware that THE ISRAELIS ARE ON THEIR FUCKING LAND?

What part of "they were attacked" don't you understand? The Arabs lost, get over it already. Conquering was good enough for them when it suited them.

I was wrong about there not being a demonic muslim terror attack in Israel for about a year. They happen hourly according to a muslim expert:

"There have been several homicide bombings and regardless of that, many terrorist attacks by Islamic terrorists on Jews in Israel, on an almost-hourly basis in Israel, since the beginning of the year, and every day before that. You just don't hear about it, b/c it isn't reported in the Western media. The only "first" that yesterday's homicide bombing in Dimona constitutes is the first homicide bombing in Dimona this year. Not the first inside Israel. And that is the important distinction here."

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/02/videos_of_the_d_3.html

I LOVE that they shot the second demonic muslim terrorist as he was going for his explosives vest. HA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf0eX18IlgA

Strange these hourly suicide bombings must be happening in secret, since Israeli casualties for last year are known to be 13.

Palestinians killed seven Israeli civilians (three in a suicide attack in Eilat, two in Sderot by Qassam attacks, and two by gunfire in the West Bank ). This is the lowest number of Israeli civilian casualties since the beginning of the Intifada. Palestinians also killed six Israeli security forces

From an Israeli human rights group
http://www.imemc.org/article/52159

What part of "they were attacked" don't you understand? The Arabs lost, get over it already. Conquering was good enough for them when it suited them.

So if they had not been attacked they had no intention of creating a Jewsih state with right of return for Jews only?

Strange these hourly suicide bombings must be happening in secret, since Israeli casualties for last year are known to be 13.


I didn't say hourly suicide bombings. I said terror attacks. And my source said terror attacks.

I sure wish the muslims would stop killing innocent people. :(

What part of "they were attacked" don't you understand? The Arabs lost, get over it already. Conquering was good enough for them when it suited them.

Conquest? I am not against conquest! However, Israel wasn't a conquest. The UN illegally played a role in the creation of the State, and the Israelis DIDN'T invade and conquer the Holy Land, they were given the Holy Land WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PALESTINIANS

Therefore, it remains Palestinian land and whether I or you get over it, we both cannot deny that the Palestinians have a right to fight back.

It wasn't a Palestinian state, and no they don't have a right to fight back for land. Land isn't self-defense.

It was Palestine, since Saladin took it in 1187-1948

Spidergoat, if one took your land and all of America, and pushed you out and murdered your people, you wouldn't fight back? Incredible, though quite dishonorable.

They have a right to fight back as defence for their lands. Land isn't self defence, but taking your land back, an action, is self defence. Or at least, it is just.

Unless, according to your logic, Washington and the Founding Fathers were terrorists?

Can I go back to england and start stabbing pakis since they're on my traditional lands?
Will that be defense?

Can I go back to england and start stabbing pakis since they're on my traditional lands?
Will that be defense?

Nope, because Pakistanis haven't taken the land. They live on it, but they don't govern it.

Israel, on the other hand, is governed by those who don't own the land. Since it is Palestinian land, it should belong to the Palestinians and should be goverened by them. Should Slavs wish to live there, that's up to the Palestinians. If they don't want them there, they can't be there.

You see, notice how I use the term "Palestinian" NOT Muslim. Jews living on the Holy Land prior to '48 would be Palestinians, and therefore they and they alone have claim to the lands. However, the vast majority of "Israelis" are not of Middle Eastern or Israelite descent, and therefore have no claim whatsoever to the land. Surely not more than those who, beyond a doubt, were living on that land for generations?

Can I go back to england and start stabbing pakis since they're on my traditional lands?
Will that be defense?

No they asked permission to come there.:)

It was Palestine, since Saladin took it in 1187-1948

Spidergoat, if one took your land and all of America, and pushed you out and murdered your people, you wouldn't fight back? Incredible, though quite dishonorable.

They have a right to fight back as defence for their lands. Land isn't self defence, but taking your land back, an action, is self defence. Or at least, it is just.

There was plenty of murdering going on on both sides. In fact, the USA took Texas from Mexico. You don't see the Mexicans suicide bombing us now.

What is the rule? How long do you have to live somewhere to have the right to it? My family could live somewhere for 10 generations, but if I don't pay my property tax, I will no longer own it. If I disobey the law, the law can take it. The Arabs and the Jews had a war, which has nothing to do with the rule of law. Because of this, they lost any possible right to Israel they might have had. The Jews took the land in self-defense. No other country would take them in, so, out of self defense, they landed in one of the few places where Jews already were, and where they had traditional ties.

... You don't see the Mexicans suicide bombing us now.

Nah. They just retook Texas, invaded AZ, NM, CA, and plan to take over the rest of the country.

There was plenty of murdering going on on both sides. In fact, the USA took Texas from Mexico. You don't see the Mexicans suicide bombing us now.

What did they do with the Mexicans already living there?

Nope, because Pakistanis haven't taken the land. They live on it, but they don't govern it.
All the more reason why I should be free to stab them.
They didn't even win anything, they're just audaciously hanging out in what is still my people's territory, makes me feel all stabby inside.

No they asked permission to come there.
I never said it was ok. Some big wigs did.
And big wigs said it was ok for jews to make a claim to a small patch of their traditional lands. In the latter the big wigs were being nice, I admit it's a bit suspect since the jews got owned and dominated and then they tattled and the people in charge set things right. It's not very dignified, but then jews never were a dignified people.
The former I can only assume the big wigs were being smartarses and trying to incite me to stab.
There's no justification for it at all.
In this day and age we don't like to think people should suffer just because they are meek, the jews have geniusly, insidiously and conveniently instilled that idea into our heads, so it's like "aww poor jews, here you can have some land, and here's some weapons and tanks and jets because we know you can't take care of yourselves".
The big wigs had their hearts in the right place.
But they were just being jerks when they said it was ok for enemies to invade and take residency in England, that's a flagrantly inflamatory act, not an accidentally inflammatory one like stuffing jews in palestine.

I guess they got absorbed into greater Mexico, just like the Arabs should have been absorbed into their traditional lands- Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.

Europe has gone through shifts in borders for hundreds of years, how is this so different? I think the answer is- religion. Certain parties aligned with Islamic Nationalism created this false crisis to further their goals. In was in the interest of the nations listed above to keep the "refugees" out, and keep the pressure on Israel. They are responsible for the violence that naturally resulted. Fighting for land is just a myth.

All the more reason why I should be free to stab them.
They didn't even win anything, they're just audaciously hanging out in what is still my people's territory, makes me feel all stabby inside.


I never said it was ok. Some big wigs did.
And big wigs said it was ok for jews to make a claim to a small patch of their traditional lands. In the latter the big wigs were being nice, I admit it's a bit suspect since the jews got owned and dominated and then they tattled and the people in charge set things right. It's not very dignified, but then jews never were a dignified people.
The former I can only assume the big wigs were being smartarses and trying to incite me to stab.
There's no justification for it at all.
In this day and age we don't like to think people should suffer just because they are meek, the jews have geniusly, insidiously and conveniently instilled that idea into our heads, so it's like "aww poor jews, here you can have some land, and here's some weapons and tanks and jets because we know you can't take care of yourselves".
The big wigs had their hearts in the right place.
But they were just being jerks when they said it was ok for enemies to invade and take residency in England, that's a flagrantly inflamatory act, not an accidentally inflammatory one like stuffing jews in palestine.

All the more reason you shouldn't. The Pakis are not harming you, therefore you have no reason to resist. Being against occupation and immigration are two different things.

In this case, people who HAVE NO CLAIM to the Holy Land, have invaded, murdered or relocated the natives, and now claim to be the victim! Well, I don't know if Israelis get it or not, but so long as they live on the land they're going to be attacked, no shit! I wouldn't exactly expect much peace if I invaded America and occupied others' lands.



Spidergoat: Slavic Jews and Semitic Jews are two different things. Semitic as pertaining to race, of course.

How does one get a "claim"?

There was plenty of murdering going on on both sides. In fact, the USA took Texas from Mexico. You don't see the Mexicans suicide bombing us now.

What is the rule? How long do you have to live somewhere to have the right to it? My family could live somewhere for 10 generations, but if I don't pay my property tax, I will no longer own it. If I disobey the law, the law can take it. The Arabs and the Jews had a war, which has nothing to do with the rule of law. Because of this, they lost any possible right to Israel they might have had. The Jews took the land in self-defense. No other country would take them in, so, out of self defense, they landed in one of the few places where Jews already were, and where they had traditional ties.

Um no.....The US took Texas from the Republic of Texas, as an annexation.

What is the rule? Well, I don't know, but what I DO know is that those who have lived on a land for generations and practically own it shouldn't be FORCED OFF legally.

The holocaust was bad, we get it, but do the Jews expect freebies?

What justification do they have? Just because nobody wants them doesn't mean they get to FORCE NATIVES OFF THEIR LAND AND RUIN OTHER PEOPLES' LIVES BECAUSE OF THEIR FUCKING WEAKNESS. The Holocaust is 50% to blame on the Jews. Why? THEY DID NOT FIGHT BACK. That's their fault, not the Palestinians'.

And so, since they were persecuted, does that give them the right to persecute others? No. Jews haven't governed the Holy Land in 3,000 years. What the fuck on Earth gives them the right to FORCE NATIVES OFF THEIR LAND legally simply so "they can have a home"?

Antarctica is free for colonization, I've said it once before.

How does one get a "claim"?

Claim. The ability to have some sort of historic claim to a land. Slavic Jews have none to the Holy Land, but they make up the majority of the Israeli population.

Semitic Jews, Arab Jews, or Israelites, on the other hand, do have a claim and I am not against them living on that land. God said that the Holy Land was promised to the Israelites, not the Slavs.

I guess they got absorbed into greater Mexico, just like the Arabs should have been absorbed into their traditional lands- Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.

Europe has gone through shifts in borders for hundreds of years, how is this so different? I think the answer is- religion. Certain parties aligned with Islamic Nationalism created this false crisis to further their goals. In was in the interest of the nations listed above to keep the "refugees" out, and keep the pressure on Israel. They are responsible for the violence that naturally resulted. Fighting for land is just a myth.

Not really, the answer is that genocide is no longer acceptable, just as driving out people off their lands is no longer acceptable. The US and Israel have yet to wake up to the fact, just as the Africans have yet to arrive at the same conclusion. If you want to be part of modern mainstream society, you cannot go around saying Jewsih state Jewish State, give Jews born in Siberia more rights than a Palestinian with an identical genetic makeup who has been living there since the time of great great great grandfather and probably a few thousand years more and still consider yourself better than Saudi Arabia.

After all, the US wasn't so accepting of Saddam taking hold of Kuwaiti land that originally was part of Iraq, was it?

Are you advocating driving the Israelis off their land? What if someone happens to own, say, an apartment building or something? Should they just give it away because they are the wrong race?

If you want to be part of modern mainstream society, you cannot go around saying Jewsih state Jewish State,

maybe we should be more like palestinians and every other state in the ME, cuase they can get away with everything.

Are you advocating driving the Israelis off their land? What if someone happens to own, say, an apartment building or something? Should they just give it away because they are the wrong race?

thats basically what they want. either submit to our terms or get killed.

What if someone happens to own, say, an apartment building or something? Should they just give it away because they are the wrong race?

You tell me.

You tell me.
Still avoiding my question..eh??:eek:

You tell me.
How about... no.

Are you advocating driving the Israelis off their land? What if someone happens to own, say, an apartment building or something? Should they just give it away because they are the wrong race?

Me? No, but seeing as IT'S NOT THEIR LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE, are you advocating occupation?

I mean, the Israelis, the Syrians, the Americans, the Europeans, the Arabs, we're all discussing this.....and yet we're not asking the Palestinians, the owners of the land. It's like me going to your home and selling it without even asking you if you wanted to sell it.

If the Palestinians want a two-state solution, fine, that's fine by me. If not, then they have every right to fight occupation.

the suicide bomber was released by the israeli government as a gesture for abu mazen.

How about... no.

Good then you do see the argument for the right of return of Palestinians driven out for not being Jewish.

I am in favor of compensation to Palestinians who are able to prove they owned land in what is now Israel.

Norsefire, is there a statue of limitations on a certain race being able to morally claim land? Because the Jews were there first.

I am in favor of compensation to Palestinians who are able to prove they owned land in what is now Israel.

Norsefire, is there a statue of limitations on a certain race being able to morally claim land? Because the Jews were there first.

um no they weren't even they admit that they invaded the land and took from a different people. the cannonites or what not

I am in favor of compensation to Palestinians who are able to prove they owned land in what is now Israel.

Norsefire, is there a statue of limitations on a certain race being able to morally claim land? Because the Jews were there first.

That would be hard to do considering the Israelis have bulldozed and built over Palestinian homes, and destroyed all records of their existence.

It is not racial, it is about land. Purely.
The Israelites were there first, spidergoat, and Slavic Jews are not Israelites. Secondly, Jews were there over 3,000 years ago, hardly "just the other day". And thirdly, the Palestinians were living there for generations when Slavs simply waltzed in and forced them out.

What the UN did was monstrous and illegal. Did the idiots not realize that in order for someone to MOVE IN, the natives would have to MOVE OFF? That would be forced relocation, something which would violate Human rights. Of course, America is no stranger to forced relocation *cough* trail of tears *cough*

If the slavic Jews aren't Israelites, then the decendents of people that lived in Palestine aren't Palestinians. The UN didn't relocate anyone, they fled a war that their own people helped start. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to start wars and then also be the victim.

The UN or the Jews?

What do Slavs have to do with Palestinians? The people living on Palestine in '48 had been living there for generations. Slavic Jews from EUROPE are WHITE and have no connection to the Israelites. I could convert to Judaism, but would I have more claim than a Palestinian? No, of course not!

The UN had split apart the Holy Land, so Palestinians living in "Israeli" territory would have to move, that would be forced relocation.

Tell me, spidergoat, if it were your State that was split apart, and you were forced to move from your home and city, and your family was slaughtered, would you resist?

Hmm Israeli has a nuclear city?
well this latest sucide attack was disgusting and evil and anything else bad you can think to say.. Any loss of inncoent life is a dispicable!!

when i saw the headline (before reading the article) io thought just maybe a suicide bomber had attacked the Nuclear reactor which of course would have been a good thing!!!

well this latest sucide attack was disgusting and evil and anything else bad you can think to say.. Any loss of inncoent life is a dispicable!!

when i saw the headline (before reading the article) io thought just maybe a suicide bomber had attacked the Nuclear reactor which of course would have been a good thing!!! blowing up a nuclear reactor would involve many human deaths!!,..what are you talking about?

blowing up a nuclear reactor would involve many human deaths!!,..what are you talking about?

OK vega i bow to your greater knowledge on the impications of blowing up a nuclear site, i n terms of nuclear fall otu or explosion what i was tyring to say - albeit in not such a clear way was that a nuclear site woudl be a legitimate target rather than a market [place which has no strategic value..

Obviosuly you didnt latch on to my condemnation of the sucidide bombing in the first palce which is disappointing!!

a nuclear site woudl be a legitimate target rather than a market [place which has no strategic value..



Like Israel did on Syria and previously Iraq? Hmm yes, I see.

Like Israel did on Syria and previously Iraq? Hmm yes, I see.

and they ahve drawn up plans to bomb Irans nuclear facilities too.

Oh but then again israel doesnt have nuclear program does it:rolleyes:

OK vega i bow to your greater knowledge on the impications of blowing up a nuclear site, i n terms of nuclear fall otu or explosion what i was tyring to say - albeit in not such a clear way was that a nuclear site woudl be a legitimate target rather than a market [place which has no strategic value..

Obviosuly you didnt latch on to my condemnation of the sucidide bombing in the first palce which is disappointing!!

Zaki,

I'm amazed to see double standards from you!
Condemning suicide bombings on one side and cheering away blowing up nucelar reactors on the other!
You do know what explosions do to human flesh..do you??..or did you skip biology class in school?

Zaki,

I'm amazed to see double standards from you!
Condemning suicide bombings on one side and cheering away blowing up nucelar reactors on the other!
You do know what explosions do to human flesh..do you??..or did you skip biology class in school?


as it happens i did skip biology class and yes i was shite at biology.

2ndly pls therefore condem the blowing up of the osiak and more recently the syrian nuclear facilities

would the blowing up of the Dominia Nuclear reactor or part of it lead to a fukll blown nuclear explosion??? if it does then of course the action will be condemned, if not then surely its the same as the Osiak and syrian facillities being blown up...

Suicide bombers strike in Israeli nuclear city? Hey, we should applaud them. They're lookin' for those WMDs, something that the U.S. or UN isn't bothering to do.

- N

Vega, regardless of the ideals or goals of the bombers, you must keep in mind that Israel has a nuclear program. Because of this, and because they attacked Syria for the same exact thing they possess, they cannot complain about being attacked.

Are the Jews so stupid that they think THEY can have nukes, but WE can't? Ha, tell them to keep dreaming. What do they want, special treatment? The Holocaust was 60 years ago......get over it.....and not by forcing people off their land.

It's just pragmatism. I don't think they care about equality in having nukes. Also, killing random civilians is different than targeting a specific weapon.

It's just pragmatism. I don't think they care about equality in having nukes. Also, killing random civilians is different than targeting a specific weapon.

Well, they certainly are hypcrotical (America and Israel). America has nukes.......TELL ME WHY THE FUCK THEY SAY IRAN CAN'T!

Killing random civilians that aren't supposed to be there is also different.....because they are no longer civilians, but opressors and occupiers and criminals.

Why? Because that is what they desire. There are no principles involved. Personally, I don't see the problem with Iran having nukes.

Why? Because that is what they desire. There are no principles involved. Personally, I don't see the problem with Iran having nukes.

You are not the American Government.

Your avatar.....wouldn't that be offensive? And you are a moderator......you know, I can go out and find a million anti-Jewish avatars, and yet I won't because I am not anti-Jewish.

It's not anti-Muslim, it's pro-freedom.

How? Is a swastika pro-freedom?

How? Is a swastika pro-freedom?

The Baath Party, Syria.

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Hama 1982 – The Syrian massacre you never heard about

In 1982 the Syrian government killed 30,000 – 40,000 of its own citizens. Assad leveled an entire city with an air bombardment followed by artillery and tank fire. Why? They were anti Baath party, and apparently in 1982 in Syria that was a death sentence…

CAUTION: Graphic descriptions of atrocities in the article
Source


“The residents of a Syrian city named Hama had been more persistent in their criticisms of the dictator than other towns. For that reason,

Hafez Assad decided that Hama would be the staging point of the example he was to make to the Syrian people. In the twilight hours of February the 2nd, 1982, the city of Hama was awakened by loud explosions. The Syrian air force had begun to drop their bombs from the dark sky.

The initial bombing run cost the city few casualties. It's main purpose had been to disable the roads so that no-one could escape. Earlier in the night, Syrian tanks and artillery systems had surrounded Hama. With the conclusion of the air bombing run, the tanks and artillery began their relentless shelling of the town.

The cost in human lives was severe. As homes crumbled upon their living occupants and the smell of charred skin filled the streets, a few residents managed to escape the shelling and started to flee. They were met by the Syrian army which had surrounded the city ... they were all shot dead.

Hours of shelling had turned Hama into rubble. The tanks and artillery had done all that they could. The next wave of attacks came in the form of Syrian soldiers. They quickly converged onto the town killing anything that would move. Groups of soldiers would round up men, women, and children only to shoot them in the back of the head. Many other soldiers would invade homes with the orders to kill all inhabitants.

After the majority of the people in Hama were dead, the soldiers began looting. They would take all that they could from the now empty homes. Some were seen picking through the dead civilians looking for money, watches, and rings.

With their mission completed and their pockets filled with loot, the soldiers began to retreat from the city. One would think that would have been the last wave of the attacks. It was not. The final attack on Hama was the most gruesome. To make sure that no person was left alive in the rubble and buildings, the Syrian army brought in poison gas generators. Cyanide gas filled the air of Hama. Bulldozers were later used to turn the city into a giant flat area.
The Syrian government death count was place at around 20,000 people dead ... but the Syrian Human Rights Committee estimates it to be much higher, at somewhere between 30,000 to 40,000 civilians’ dead or missing…”


They used POISON gas on them? Those poor people.

You really need to read this entire report. Survivors speak of being shot standing over pits with piles and piles of dead bodies. The ones that survived played dead until the government soldiers left. The purging of these people and the stories the survivors tell reminds me of the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. The Assad regime has clearly perpetrated some of the grizzliest war crimes of our times. Let hope the Assad and their savage practices can be stopped or overthrown before this happens again…

I would've preferred that Hafez Assad sent some sort of infantry unit to exterminate only the extremists, but you must realize two things:

1) Hafez Assad was very strict. Bashar wouldn't do such a thing.
2) It was either that, or terrorists take control of Syria. What would you want?

I would've preferred that Hafez Assad sent some sort of infantry unit to exterminate only the extremists, but you must realize two things:

1) Hafez Assad was very strict. Bashar wouldn't do such a thing.
2) It was either that, or terrorists take control of Syria. What would you want?

It was another Lidice, and Ležáky, in true Nazi style.

The Nazi retaliation was brutal: a clear warning against any further armed resistance. About 13,000 people were arrested, deported, imprisoned or killed. On 10 June all males over the age of 16 in the village of Lidice, 22 km north-west of Prague, and another village, Ležáky, were murdered. The towns were burned and the ruins leveled.

Yes, but the goal of the Nazis was extermination. Hafez Assad wanted to eliminate the terrorists. He could've used more subtle methods, but he didn't do what he did because of race or religion or whatever


Also, today Hamah is a happy Christian town.
The Israeli regime is more like the Nazis because their goal IS racial and religious, and they love to occupy and murder innnocent people.

If I were in Hafez Assad's position, it would be a tough choice for me. I probably would've sent in infantry and ordered them to fire only on those who fire at them, but I'm not him and I can't change what he did. Simply understand WHY he did what he did.

Yes, but the goal of the Nazis was extermination. Hafez Assad wanted to eliminate the terrorists. He could've used more subtle methods, but he didn't do what he did because of race or religion or whatever


Also, today Hamah is a happy Christian town.
The Israeli regime is more like the Nazis because their goal IS racial and religious, and they love to occupy and murder innnocent people.

If I were in Hafez Assad's position, it would be a tough choice for me. I probably would've sent in infantry and ordered them to fire only on those who fire at them, but I'm not him and I can't change what he did. Simply understand WHY he did what he did.

Amnesty International reported:

"Some monitors stated: old streets of the city were bombed from the air to facilitate the introduction of military forces and tanks through the narrow streets, like the al-Hader street, where homes were crushed by tanks during the first four days of fighting.

On February 15th, after days of intense bombardment, Defense Minister General Mustafa Tlass announced that the rebellion was put out, but the city remained under siege and surrounded. Door-to-door searches along with extensive arrests continued during the next two following weeks, while various news leaks talked about atrocities committed by the security forces and

mass killings of innocent city residents. It is not easy to know what did exactly occur, but Amnesty International mentioned news of a mass execution of some 70 people outside the city hospital on February 19th and the annihilation of all residents of

the al-Hader area on the hands of the Defense Brigades (Saraya el-Defaa) on the same day. Other reports talk of using containers of cyanide gas to kill all inhabitants of buildings, where rebels were suspected of residing. Also, people were grouped in the military airport, city stadium, and military camps and were left there without shelter or food for days."

The following are some very telling excerpts from the Syrian Human Rights Committee report on the Hama massacre:

"It is rather impossible for a writer to paint a picture of the massacres committed against women and newborn children or to describe the methods used to murder members of the same family, one after another right before the eyes of the ones to follow the same fate.

They would cut the guts of a baby while his mother held him, and then fire a stream of bullets onto her to prevent her from giving birth to another future opposition member. They would fire right on the head of an elder, while he murmured a prayer after what he had just witnessed.

Children would scream asking for their mom, or grandfather just to be answered with a stream of bullets killing them all. A family would fall in a pool of their blood, but not for long, because soldiers would set everything ablaze after ransacking the house for any valuables and cutting the hands and ears off in their crazed rush to loot the jewelry worn.

Not one store escaped theft, ransacking or bulldozing, no mosques escaped destruction, nor any minarets remained erect in Hama during that tragic month, even churches were not spared and suffered a similar fate."

"The regime violated the most basic rights of its people, starting with the right to live and ending with the citizenship rights, motivated only by its utter hatred towards Hama and its citizens because they opposed the regime most when compared to other Syrian cities." "The Syrian regime deals with its citizens by utilizing state terrorism, because it has given up on its duty as a preserver of lives of its citizens and a protector of their properties, honor and dignity."

You're repeating the same thing without acknowledging my response.

I have said, Hafez Assad was brutal. I do not like him and never have, but you need to see WHY he did what he did.

You're repeating the same thing without acknowledging my response.

I have said, Hafez Assad was brutal. I do not like him and never have, but you need to see WHY he did what he did.


So because it is in the intrest of your beloved Syria, you look the other way at the deleberate murder of civilians to control terrorism, when it is convent to your political or religious purpose.

The U.S. clears Falushia, at the request of the Iraqi Government, and your ready to hang them all with war crimes.

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Norsefire You're repeating the same thing without acknowledging my response.

I have said, Hafez Assad was brutal. I do not like him and never have, but you need to see WHY he did what he did.

Now let me answer you with you rown words about the U.S. in Iraq:


I do not like him and never have, but you need to see WHY he did what he did.

You need to see WHY we did what we did, and are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I never liked Hafez Assad, remember that. I barely like Bashar, and in fact I am getting sick and tired of his bullshit.

However, it is still preferable than to be under some extremist Sharia law. That's the price of order.


If it was at the request of the Iraqi PEOPLE, then no, I am not against it.

OK, tell me why? I've told you why Hafez Assad did what he did, why did you guys do what you did? Your true goals are unknown to me.

I never liked Hafez Assad, remember that. I barely like Bashar, and in fact I am getting sick and tired of his bullshit.

However, it is still preferable than to be under some extremist Sharia law. That's the price of order.


If it was at the request of the Iraqi PEOPLE, then no, I am not against it.

OK, tell me why? I've told you why Hafez Assad did what he did, why did you guys do what you did? Your true goals are unknown to me.


Read the U.N. RESOLUTION 687 (1991) and all of the resolutions that involve Saddam and his failure to comply fully with U.N. RESOLUTION 687, and you will get the picture, and its not what the News would have you believe, I have read all of the resolutions, and a lot of the minuets of the meetings, and to try and condense it into a few sentences of explanation is not possible other than to say Saddam didn't comply with the terms of the Cease Fire, and we reopened hostilities, to end the situation. (the war wasn't ended, the only thing that was done was that a Cease Fire had been declared, and the war would end when Saddam opened all of his facilities and destroyed in a properly verified manner, in the presence of U.N. Inspectors, with proper documentation his chemical weapons, and nuclear related programs)

I never liked Hafez Assad, remember that. I barely like Bashar, and in fact I am getting sick and tired of his bullshit.

However, it is still preferable than to be under some extremist Sharia law. That's the price of order.


If it was at the request of the Iraqi PEOPLE, then no, I am not against it.

OK, tell me why? I've told you why Hafez Assad did what he did, why did you guys do what you did? Your true goals are unknown to me.

how many syrians have internet?

Oh Norsefire, you are such a hypocrite. The Syrian Army killed more civilians in 3 days, than the IDF did in 60 years.

You guys just don't get it. You have to look at MOTIVE. The IDF is an occupation and it murders innocence. Hafez did what he did in order to stop the extremism, although he did it in a very bad manner that cost many lives.

Buffalo, I am glad you took down saddam. Next, take down Ahmedinijad, he's outlived his usefulness. But DON'T put in a puppet president.

Spock, I have no idea. In all the houses under my name in Syria, I have access. Really depends on social class I s'pose, like everywhere else. Middle to upper will have, lower probably won't. I don't have statistics though.

Dubai has a nice ratio for it's population. Nearly half have access. Israel isn't bad either, but then again with the aid they receive.....