does anyone here really know no one seems to be interested in whats going on and has been going on is Sudan? http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html
i mean i understand that the UN has decided not to look at it as genocide, despite the US as having done so, but how could that be the reason.. no one is looking at this. AH maybe because they dont have the rights to oil .. maybe its something else. im baffled.

I have been grumbling about Sudan for years. The only thing that has kept their govenment from being converted to bloody paste is that they have largely kept to themselves.

Sudan has a dangerous goverment which is implementing economic policies that are not deemed friendly towards America . The Sudan is being courted by European and Chinese oil firms with lucrative trade deals in exchange for exploitation . America is attempting to stop this dangerous out flanking by predatory economic expansion on its turf. The American media has concocted a false emergency of genocide , these mass graves when fully investigated will show too be nowhere near the insane numbers of the US imperial propaganda charade and are really symptomatic of any conflict . If this policy of economic intimidation fails to make Sudan more compliant to American economic dictates Sudan will be subject to destabilization by military intervention .

Sudan has a dangerous goverment.You got that bit right.
The Sudan is an Arab empire and the Sudanese Government may or may not be genocidal according to UN definitions, but they are a very nasty bunch of kleptocrats, racists and religious bigots who have murdered a great many people. The fact that their opponents in the Southern Sudan and in the north are probably just as horrible doesn't make any difference. The instability is inherent to the Sudan's existence. I have no doubt that various countries will interfere but I doubt whether they can make things any worse or any better for most of the people who live there. Any money that comes from oil will go to the most murderous and greedy bigots.

How could it be stopped? The UN would have to occupy the country permanently. If not, then the genocide would just continue when they left. I think the reason the US has not invaded is precisely because there is little economic interest to do so.

Two big ways to stop it. The first is to kill off the current government and replace it with an actually well meaning and self enforcing government with the guts it would take to survive. This has many problems that go along with it.

The second is to make the current government -very- conscious of their own mortality. Have a big gun pointed right at their collective heads and don't let them forget it. Make them understand that they can keep their palaces, fortunes, and (most importantly) their lives as long as they play by -our- rules. If one of them doesn't, make an example of him.

How could it be stopped?
Simple America stops the policy of destabilization of sending weapons to the Southern rebels its as simple as that .

The Sudan is an Arab empire and the Sudanese Government may or may not be genocidal according to UN definitions, but they are a very nasty bunch of kleptocrats, racists and religious bigots who have murdered a great many people.
You got this bit wrong ! There is no genocide in Darfur , the dead consist of Christian and Moslem alike . There are no Arabs in the Sudan they are all African Negroe . The word Arab is used to describe the Northern Moslem Sudanese who by accepting the Moslem religion have likewise incorporated much of the Arab culture and language . What has happened is the discovery of large petroleum reserves in the Sudan and the rush by nations to exploit those reserves . America is destabilizing the Sudan by inflicting a civil war on Darfur thereby making conditions of exploitation very difficult .

You got this bit wrong ! There is no genocide in Darfur , the dead consist of Christian and Moslem alike . So mass-murder is OK if it's indiscriminate? There are no Arabs in the Sudan they are all African Negroe . The word Arab is used to describe the Northern Moslem Sudanese who by accepting the Moslem religion have likewise incorporated much of the Arab culture and language . The muslim sudanese are a mixture of Arabs and blacks. The upper classes are- or think they are- entirely Arab by descent and despise blacks, christians and pagans for good Arab and/or muslim reasons.What has happened is the discovery of large petroleum reserves in the Sudan and the rush by nations to exploit those reserves . America is destabilizing the Sudan by inflicting a civil war on Darfur thereby making conditions of exploitation very difficult .
What happened was the creation of a slave-looting empire in the nineteenth century and the handing back of that empire to its original rulers- who think they are answerable to god, who does what they want- in the twentieth. There was rebellion, mass murder and starvation in the southern Sudan long before oil was found there. The oil only aggravates the situation because it means other people have an interest in the area.

i realize i am rather simple when it comes to politics etc., but i cant help thinking about bush skipping thru reasons why we're in Iraq. oh the killing fields and bad saddam. its all about making a better life for Iraqis. i mean, i could rant here, but id rather stay with nearly speechless. i despise the guy. or maybe its just governments and politicians in general. how in the fuck did these assholes get to be running the whole fucking world? its our world. and no one i know voted for any of these dicks. and dont tell me we elected them. im not content to accept that.


meanwhile more and more innocent people die. all for their own good im sure. at least according to the guys in charge of making death the instrument for peace and prosperity.

i know none of this is new. i dont feel intelligent about the issue. we have a long bloody history of this kind of thing, screwing with 3rd world nations to further our own interests in the name of god and humanity, whil ignoring less interesting atrocities or creating our own. im just pissed. ill be ok. thanks for the concern. heh

You got this bit wrong ! There is no genocide in Darfur , the dead consist of Christian and Moslem alike . There are no Arabs in the Sudan they are all African Negroe . The word Arab is used to describe the Northern Moslem Sudanese who by accepting the Moslem religion have likewise incorporated much of the Arab culture and language . What has happened is the discovery of large petroleum reserves in the Sudan and the rush by nations to exploit those reserves . America is destabilizing the Sudan by inflicting a civil war on Darfur thereby making conditions of exploitation very difficult .

you know im really open to what youre saying.. but where are you getting your information on this? im not challenging you here, i want to know what the truth is. guide me to your sources.

If it were possible, the greatest benefit to the poeples of the Sudan would be if the oil could somehow be undiscovered. All that it does is give the rulers and would-be rulers even more reasons to kill and- when it is sold- even better weapons to kill with