I know this is going to sound really bad but it really needs to be done.
for this to work we really need to get the hole world in on it or the ones that don’t will just over run the ones that do the right thing.

1. Limit the world to 2 living kids max at a time. per pair of adults

2. Need to instate genetic engineering. Remove all bad genes from our gene pool. Any gene that has been proven to be linked to an illness.

3. Add the gene for long life to everyone born after the start date. It has been proven that there is a gene that is in 90% of people aged 90+ that produces a stimulates the production of a hormone that helps keep organs and circulatory system from degrading as fast.

4. Add genes that give people perfect teeth and perfect eyes and hearing. Not change the color or anything of eye's just make it so it’s 20/20 and teeth that are strait and don’t decay easily. I would also add the gene that fights obesity and remove the ones that make it happen. Just out of curtsy for the kid but make that one voluntary. Would also add any genes that are proven to help fight illness/disease’s

If this is done we can bring the world population under control and might even save the world. And really we would only have to do the artificial insemination and gene altering for about 20 years after that it will do its own work. Keep the parents genes mainly intact so they look like there parents they just are better suited for long health lives. This would help on a lot of ways besides controlling population.

1. Medical costs would go down drastically.
2. There would be less suffering in the world.
3. There would be more food to go around in the world, if we did not have the millions of people a year dieing then there would not be a need for large families to make sure your genes make it. So family sizes would go down and more food would be come available. You also have to think of this how many tons of food does a person eat in 20 years now when they die and if they have not had kids then its all wasted.
4. This one is iffy if we are genetically similar then we are less likely to hate each other.
5. There would be no more birth defects because of genetic problems.
6. No more retarded kids because of defects in there genes.
7. because of the ones listed above how much would that help lessen the drain on the economy of the world.

Now to the really controversial stuff.

1. Now this one is going to really make people mad. Really we need something to kill off/sterilize around 1 billion or more people there are just too many of us around. Not form one group or people just at random from around the world. Split by proportion to there ethnicity to world population. So the aborigines would lose next to know one or the Samoans because they are a very small population group. But asian/hispanics/african/whites would take the most loses odds are in that order might switch around Africans and whites. It’s a toss up there I don’t have any figures on total populations in Africa. The drawings would also be a little one sided.

Everyone one is given a IQ test that is random 250 questions per test and there are lets say a pool of around 100,000 question so would be hard to cheat. This will test people not on what they have learned but on there IQ so no asking what’s the capitals of all 50 stats in the USA. Now based on the results form the testing you get a ranking and if you don’t take the test you are put at the bottom of the list. The odds of being drawn when on the bottom of the list are higher then being drawn from the top so the higher the IQ the less likely you are of being picked for culling/sterilized.

2. Genetic improvements...... yes you know what I'm talking about SUPER HUMANS. Mooohahaha.... Collect the best and brightest of the world and track map them to there genes and put all of the genes together with the above gene alteration to make a super person... skin color/eye color/ hair / bone structure don’t mater its all on the inside. example " there is a boy in Germany that is 5 years old and can hold 70lb bar bells out in front of him as long as he wants he is not fat he is all muscle and he was born that way. There is also a guy in the states who's muscle's are twice as efficient as normal people he can hold back 1400 pounds of force with is 2 arms with no problems he takes 1" open ended wrenches and bends them like play toys and he is 5'5" tall 180 pounds.. He is not ripped he just looks like a normal guy with a little beer gut. There is also a man in the stats that does not get tired like we normally do his hart is 3 times more efficient then ours and so are his lunges and his body removes lactic acid form his body much faster then ours. This trait is found in a lot of world class long distance runners. He jumped rope for like 30 minutes really fast and his heart rate did not go up at all and it beats much shower then normal people when he is doing nothing it is well under 40 beats a min."

So you get the basic idea make people fast/strong/smart/agile take the best traits form around the world to make a super human. Looks don’t mater but let the parent’s use there looks or have them pick them.

If you want to take it up a little you could also add animal dna to people so improved senses and the like. Be able to read the text on a dime at 100meters you get the basic idea.

So there is my unpopular idea's don’t you just love it... I know that some people would not go for this but at least the first part needs to be done. Super humans would be nice but there would be a lot of hate toward them I think. I'm sure there are a lot of bible thumpers that would be like you can’t mess with gods work... Well I ask them well why does god let babies die or people in general and they will say it is there time to go and its gods plan. Then I say with that logic that I'm doing this and god is not stopping me so it must be also in his plan. Look at it this way if you where god would you not want to see your children improve them self’s. If you brought that back to our level it’s like making your kid stay at age 5 and never get older then that.... Does that make any sense NO as a people we need to grow and Improve our self’s If we don't we will stagnate and eventually make the world unlivable.

So open up I know you want to. :D

The sweet is not as sweet without the sour my friend.... As for the birth rate thing, I would agree with that though, a falling birth rate has proven to have dramatic effects on quality of living in many countries, example: Sweden

You'll just have smarter criminals and deviants in that future, my friend.

lol. im retarded and that offends me. not really, im fine. I always wanted o quarantine people with AIDS to prevent the spread, but everyone seems to think i'm talking about death camps. it would be happy. they could have sex all they wanted, and wouldn't have to worry about getting AIDS. :m:

That's pretty much the stupidest thing..

You could just cut all the fat in what you said and get to genetic improvements. And then when everyone is finally to my level, I will begin the ethnic cleansing. :m:

Not to mention, the entire world doesn't even have enough money to finance such a ludicrous project, who on earth do you think is going to take time out of their life to try out some theory? Eh.. well scratch that..

shadarlocoth,

First off, humanity is not a danger to the world; we're not even a danger to life on Earth. We're merely a danger to ourselves and at worst we may take a few species with us. Life on Earth has survived far worse disasters that humanity could ever unleash. The only question is will we survive and the quality of life for those of us who do.


2. Need to instate genetic engineering. Remove all bad genes from our gene pool. Any gene that has been proven to be linked to an illness.Problem; many such genes have more than one effect, you cannot simply remove 'bad' genes without consequence.


If this is done we can bring the world population under control and might even save the world. And really we would only have to do the artificial insemination and gene altering for about 20 years after that it will do its own work. Keep the parents genes mainly intact so they look like there parents they just are better suited for long health lives. This would help on a lot of ways besides controlling population.If you haven't seen it I suggest you watch the movie 'Gattica'. There is also something to be said for genetic diversity. Genetic diversity is the reason life has survived for 3.5 billion years. Your suggestions reduce genetic diversity and increase the risk that some unknown factor could come in and wipe us all out at a single stroke.


1. Medical costs would go down drastically.With all the genetic alterations you're proposing. I don't think so.


3. There would be more food to go around in the world, if we did not have the millions of people a year dieing then there would not be a need for large families to make sure your genes make it.Political and economic factors are more responsible for starvation today than an imagined scarcity of food. Technology (or lack thereof) and distribution are the main obstacles.


5. There would be no more birth defects because of genetic problems.No. Mutations will continue to occur.


6. No more retarded kids because of defects in there genesAgain, mutations will continue to occur.


1. Now this one is going to really make people mad. Really we need something to kill off/sterilize around 1 billion or more people there are just too many of us around.You first. I assume you have already volunteered, right?


Now based on the results form the testing you get a ranking and if you don’t take the test you are put at the bottom of the list. The odds of being drawn when on the bottom of the list are higher then being drawn from the top so the higher the IQ the less likely you are of being picked for culling/sterilized.For what purpose do you propose this?


2. Genetic improvements...... yes you know what I'm talking about SUPER HUMANS. Mooohahaha.... Collect the best and brightest of the world and track map them to there genes and put all of the genes together with the above gene alteration to make a super person... That's not quite how it works. Children don't simply get the best of their parents; they get a random combination of those genes. How those genes are expressed varies greatly upon how they are combined, it's not a simple escalation of phenotypes.

Hey, I'm all for improving the species but it not quite as simple or clear-cut as you propose.

~Raithere

1. Limit the world to 2 living kids max at a time. per pair of adults.

I agree with this. Although that might limit our genetic effectiveness. It might be suicide in the long run. However, overpopulation is a very real concern. It's selfish to have 15 kids when you expect all these children to survive.


2. Need to instate genetic engineering. Remove all bad genes from our gene pool. Any gene that has been proven to be linked to an illness.

Dangerous in the extreme. Our knowledge of genetics is far too shaky to even think about doing anything like this. We might learn from it, but we risk a catastrophe.

And, this is assuming good will by those who decide what genes to limit. We all know that good will is sparse when it comes to power. And this is true power.


3. Add the gene for long life to everyone born after the start date. It has been proven that there is a gene that is in 90% of people aged 90+ that produces a stimulates the production of a hormone that helps keep organs and circulatory system from degrading as fast.

4. Add genes that give people perfect teeth and perfect eyes and hearing. Not change the color or anything of eye's just make it so it’s 20/20 and teeth that are strait and don’t decay easily. I would also add the gene that fights obesity and remove the ones that make it happen. Just out of curtsy for the kid but make that one voluntary. Would also add any genes that are proven to help fight illness/disease’s

Same as above. Genetics is in it's infancy. We are not capable of making proper decisions at this point in time.


1. Now this one is going to really make people mad. Really we need something to kill off/sterilize around 1 billion or more people there are just too many of us around. Not form one group or people just at random from around the world. Split by proportion to there ethnicity to world population. So the aborigines would lose next to know one or the Samoans because they are a very small population group. But asian/hispanics/african/whites would take the most loses odds are in that order might switch around Africans and whites. It’s a toss up there I don’t have any figures on total populations in Africa. The drawings would also be a little one sided.

Not only contraversial, but also dangerous. Should I reiterate the shaky knowledge of genetics that we possess at this time? Who is to say what circumstances we will come across in the future. What genes will be necessary in order to survive these hurdles? Any attempt at limiting ourselves is suicide. Survival depends upon diversification. Specialize at your peril. The question is are we already to specialized to survive a catastrophic event?


Everyone one is given a IQ test that is random 250 questions per test and there are lets say a pool of around 100,000 question so would be hard to cheat. This will test people not on what they have learned but on there IQ so no asking what’s the capitals of all 50 stats in the USA. Now based on the results form the testing you get a ranking and if you don’t take the test you are put at the bottom of the list. The odds of being drawn when on the bottom of the list are higher then being drawn from the top so the higher the IQ the less likely you are of being picked for culling/sterilized.

IQ is misleading.


I'm done quoting you. The rest is more genetic mumbo jumbo. Let me say that you see things far too simplistically. We are barely aware of those things in our nature which make us "special". The danger of weeding out essential traits is tantamount. Your only valid point is the limiting of children to maintain population not to increase it. And even that is full of peril.

Your right on the genetics it has a bit to go before its usable.. and mutations will happen thats how we get good and bad traits. Give it a few years tell its down pat where we making pink cows the size of bus's.



as for the culling part IQ can be missleading odds are you would have to put in a review board and some back up tests.

as for me volanteering for the culling/sterilizeing I would take the risks with the rest of us. This my not be really that required at the rate we are going I think we will have a nice big world war that might thin out our numbers a bit. The problem with wars is that only the contrys that are advanced lose lives on a mass scale leaving the 3rd world that are not at the point of conflict unharmed.

Now for the medical cost and implimation of the gene splicing. Its like all things the first cars cost a lot but now everyone can have one. With time the price will go down and go down fast. What supplys are needed to changed dna beside the equipment? Not very much, so its the people doing the altrations that cost and research. So we need to get it done and make up machines that are automated guy goes to the docs office jerkes it in a cup, chick takes ovulating drugs and eggs are collected. Then take dna samples form the man and the woman. To be used as a point of referance and more genetic data. Now the computer splices the genes up and lets a egg get fertilized then it removes the dna from the egg and replaces it with the modifed strain. Then the doc puts it in her and bank one better baby.
If we can get people taken out of the loop so that a person can just go up to it and make a baby then that would be even better.


Now look at it this way it dont all have to start at once. Start it up in higher end countrys first when its at its most expencive and have it trickle down to the lower countrys. As for funding for it what country could do it? Well if the USA did not have to worry about other people and terrorists then what that 74 billion+ that we have spent might put a dent in the project. sence genetic research funding is only in the millions. So every country in the world that wants the gene splicing gives a million-billions to the job and It could happen.

To reduce the human population all you have to do is ignore AIDS.

yep at the rate its going there will be no one left in africa or parts of asia...

Here's what i think about your proposal. :bugeye: :mad:

Other than the two-child policy, everything else is basically short-term/myopic solutions and gross discrimination. Your proposal seem to promote the mass production of human life and also genocide. Distasteful and misguided.

Your not-so controversial suggestions:

This one is iffy if we are genetically similar then we are less likely to hate each other.

Not true. Homogeneity in genetic makeup would not stop people from hating each other. Doesn't mean that just cos everyone's of the same colour and speaks the same language, there would not be any hatred. The main reason of hatred/racism is the lack of understanding or tolerance, and that essentially is dependent on external influences. It's nurture; not nature.


There would be no more birth defects because of genetic problems.


No more retarded kids because of defects in there genes.

I see your point. But I'm merely echoing what has been said before: our knowledge and application of human genetics is in stages of nascency. The problem of birth defects and retardedness is far more complicated and difficult to predict. It's possible for a perfectly normal couple with above-average intellect to have retarded offspring. Much as I wish to see less birth defects, it'll definitely take more than just a few years for mankind to identify, understand and - to try to - rectify the problem areas.


Your controversial suggestions:


Now this one is going to really make people mad. Really we need something to kill off/sterilize around 1 billion or more people there are just too many of us around. Not form one group or people just at random from around the world. Split by proportion to there ethnicity to world population. So the aborigines would lose next to know one or the Samoans because they are a very small population group. But asian/hispanics/african/whites would take the most loses odds are in that order might switch around Africans and whites. It’s a toss up there I don’t have any figures on total populations in Africa. The drawings would also be a little one sided.

As always, only the first sentence is logically sound. Other than that, very extreme. That's mindless genocide. And gross discrimination.

IQ tests cannot measure the other types of intelligence like artistic talents, music, creativity or even emotional intelligence, and thus cannot qualify as a medium of test. Simply, there's no proper way to define who are the worthy intellectuals who get to skip the culling.

Wait, there's more... Assuming that you get to kill instead of sterilise. Who's gonna do all the culling? One out of every six would have to die. Have you thought if the five billion people would allow the slaying of their family and friends? And what are you gonna do with the one billion or more corpses? No world leader would even want to hear of it, because its not even a logical idea.



Genetic improvements...... yes you know what I'm talking about SUPER HUMANS. Mooohahaha.... Collect the best and brightest of the world and track map them to there genes and put all of the genes together with the above gene alteration to make a super person... skin color/eye color/ hair / bone structure don’t mater its all on the inside. example " there is a boy in Germany that is 5 years old and can hold 70lb bar bells out in front of him as long as he wants he is not fat he is all muscle and he was born that way. There is also a guy in the states who's muscle's are twice as efficient as normal people he can hold back 1400 pounds of force with is 2 arms with no problems he takes 1" open ended wrenches and bends them like play toys and he is 5'5" tall 180 pounds.. He is not ripped he just looks like a normal guy with a little beer gut. There is also a man in the stats that does not get tired like we normally do his hart is 3 times more efficient then ours and so are his lunges and his body removes lactic acid form his body much faster then ours. This trait is found in a lot of world class long distance runners. He jumped rope for like 30 minutes really fast and his heart rate did not go up at all and it beats much shower then normal people when he is doing nothing it is well under 40 beats a min."

So you get the basic idea make people fast/strong/smart/agile take the best traits form around the world to make a super human. Looks don’t mater but let the parent’s use there looks or have them pick them.

If you want to take it up a little you could also add animal dna to people so improved senses and the like. Be able to read the text on a dime at 100meters you get the basic idea.


Superhumans!! Wow... great we'll all enjoy more from watching the Olympics Games! And we'd love to see ALL the world records being broken by genetically-multilated humanoids.

Why bother having superhuman strength when we have the available technology? Let's be practical, would our superhuman abilities matter any more when we're already lazy and pampered by our little technological toys? I don't think Superman or Flash will zip right up to the telly every now and then to switch channels. They'll just sit comfy on their ass and use the remote. :cool:

its kind of funny when people only read the first post and never read any others... as I said these are options to be considered it does not have to be a all or nothing deal...

your also telling me that the world would not be a better place if we did not have stupid people? How do stupid people help the world besides bing cheap manual labor?

if you rased the avarage IQ of the people in the USA up to over 120 do you think that crime would go up or down? I guess there would be a down side not as many darwan award winners. OOOO and maybe they will be a little less PC my god thats killing us. OOO no we lost 878 service men sence going to war with Iraq booo frighing Ohooo... People need to get things in perspective at the battle of stolangrad " misspelled I'm sure" the russians lost over 1 MILLION men.... I have a idea insted of killing/cutting off there balls of the stupid people lets kill/cutoff the balls of all the treehugging hippy PC people in the world.... People need to stop following the every idea they see on tv and think for them selfs.

its kind of funny when people only read the first post and never read any others... as I said these are options to be considered it does not have to be a all or nothing deal...

your also telling me that the world would not be a better place if we did not have stupid people?

We wouldn't have to kill off 1 billion. In fact, you should be first in line to demonstrate your point. ;)


if you rased the avarage IQ of the people in the USA up to over 120 do you think that crime would go up or down? I guess there would be a down side not as many darwan award winners. OOOO and maybe they will be a little less PC my god thats killing us. OOO no we lost 878 service men sence going to war with Iraq booo frighing Ohooo... People need to get things in perspective at the battle of stolangrad " misspelled I'm sure" the russians lost over 1 MILLION men.... I have a idea insted of killing/cutting off there balls of the stupid people lets kill/cutoff the balls of all the treehugging hippy PC people in the world.... People need to stop following the every idea they see on tv and think for them selfs.

For someone who advocates "killing off" stupid people, you sure do know how to spell.. :rolleyes:

never said I did

That's mindless genocide.

Now, I'm not supporting it, however, I can understand where shador is coming from.
A few random thoughts.
What do we do to 'pest' animals who exist in plague proportions? We kill them mercilessly. Because they threaten OUR crops, or OUR fish, or are taking OUR territory.

However, the vast majority of animals actually stop breeding when food stocks are low. The only reason they exist in plague proportions is because food stocks are high.

Yet some humans are quite the opposite. Even when food stocks are low, they continually breed. Selfish individuals bring children into the world who they can't feed, and who must suffer. I have no compassion for these people.
Why do they keep breeding likes rats?

In fact, we could say that animals have more dignity than some humans. They known when to stop breeding. They don't bring children into the world to suffer.

And how do we justify the genocide of rabbits/kangaroos/sheep? It definitely is not their fault that they exist in plague proportions. On the other hand, in places like Africa, it is the humans fault that they continually breed.

Genocide is inhumane. However, forcing the inconsiderate jerks in poor places in Africa to under sterilization seems like the best option.

How can we help someone, if they refuse to help themselves by lowering the population???

Lol. I think this is far too big an issue to try and hurredly devise a plan in order to control the problems on our planet. I know it's just wishful thinking, but it's not very valid, seeing as you have to take into consideration all the millions of factors that are affecting the problems, why those factors are affecting the problems, and see if anything can really be done. Einstein said something along the lines of, "problems made by someone cannot be solved with the same level of intelligence." To fix issues globally, it'd be nice to be all-knowing first. haha. But anyway, even if you were to mass-control humanity's genes, like was mentioned before, you'd still have a million other problems. There are plenty of "intelligent" people out there who are contributing to issues such as high health costs; intelligent people as a whole who are controlling a great deal of stuff yet still don't seem to applying their intelligence.

Haha. Although it's an ambitious idea to just use whatever we can to control nature to fit our idea of what is "good", our idea of what is "smart", our idea of what is "attractive," and etc., it'd probably backfire in a million other ways!

Hi mountainhare,



Yet some humans are quite the opposite. Even when food stocks are low, they continually breed. Selfish individuals bring children into the world who they can't feed, and who must suffer. I have no compassion for these people.
Why do they keep breeding likes rats?


How can we help someone, if they refuse to help themselves by lowering the population???

It's really not their fault. To them, more children is always good. Right from the start, they grow up with the wrong mentality and pass on their flawed ideals to their offsprings. Entire generations are caught in the vicious cycle of poverty, illiteracy and ignorance. And that cycle is a horrific negative loop that only serves to worsen with time.


Genocide is inhumane. However, forcing the inconsiderate jerks in poor places in Africa to under sterilization seems like the best option.

I think education is a better option. I see more hope in cultivation of the young impressionable minds, rather than sterilisation. They're not mindless; they're all capable of thinking but are denied the chance to do so. It's sad to see so many obstacles in having a generation of children growing up properly, into becoming more sensible than their parents.

so here is what we do 8) teach them that having 30 kids is bad and will make them poor and the world a harder place to live... They dont listen and keep having kids staralize them... Or how about after you reach the limit of 2 kids you have to be electricuted for 24 hours and for every kid above that add 24 more hours on so 4 kids would be 48 hours of electro shock... That should help them go out and buy condoms...

so here is what we do 8) teach them that having 30 kids is bad and will make them poor and the world a harder place to live... They dont listen and keep having kids staralize them... Or how about after you reach the limit of 2 kids you have to be electricuted for 24 hours and for every kid above that add 24 more hours on so 4 kids would be 48 hours of electro shock... That should help them go out and buy condoms...

:eek: Electrocution might just increase the production of testosterones!! The males becomes even more horny. :p

Ahhhh this is intelligent :rolleyes:

When you take human lives and scientifically want to make them perfect that is going too far. Where's the value in human life? Most everyone is someone's loved one, everyone feels pain, love, anger, etc. We are dealing with complex beings with emotions, needs, and INTELLIGENCE. Why do we spend so much time raising money for the homeless, disabled, research to heal, etc. ???? Putting ourselves in their situation makes us realize the value of human life. I think it is wrong to see humanity as science, at least in your instance. Maybe I can put a loved one of yours to sleep because their nose is crooked, or they swear, or they are gay, or they have a common cold of which there is no cure, or they are unable to have a job in life because they had been in a serious accident, etc etc etc......wouldn't that be grand?
Also in your "perfect" world what if somone did have an accident, couldn't walk anymore, wasn't able to see or speak, or one of those genetically perfect teeth did get a cavity? Can you prevent imperfection? Accidents? New viruses from arising?
As for population I feel that someday through much research we may be able to live on the moon.....who knows what they will come up with. But as of now, I find issues such as getting rid of the excessive use and need of oil, keeping children safe and off the streets, making our economy strong, etc. Accomplishing these goals are much more rewarding and noble than your making the world perfect bit. Also there will be more uncurable illnesses after a cure for cancer is found, after taking a pill will cure you from aids. So lucky for us huh?
Do you have children? I am VERY curious to hear that because my wild guess is you do not. Unfortunately you want a perfect world, which is your idea of course. I do think you should see the movie Gattica by the way! Ahhhh if only to have the right blood.......is it right to say someone with a billion dollars is greater than a hard working honest 40,000 dollar a year job? Could go on about this all day........all I can say is I would be afraid to cross you in a dark alley![/