All right, just read another members post, and watched the news this morning, so I feel the need to state the obvious.

This upcoming war, is just like every other war. Troops go off to war, and the media over plays it. They show crying mothers/daughters/sons/fathers. People need to wake up to the fact that there soldiers! I have three friends right now who have been called up, and another one who will probably be called up.

These things are always going to happen during a war. People are going to miss people, its inevitable. The media, and some members of this forum, need to get over it.

I hope your friends come out ok i really do.
I myself have family going to this war in the RAF so I'm hoping for them too.

However i think to say this is just like every other war (If there is such a thing) i dont think is very accurate, more a sign that we have surrendered to the inevitable fact that this is going to happen.

This seems different to me not only because of the Criminal and totally undemocratic way it is being waged (In our name)
But the devestating effect it will have on the population of IRAQ and the massive poential consequences for which those waging this war seem wilfuly ignorant and threaten to effect us all in drastic ways for many many years to come.

yes it will happen and we all know we can't stop it now, we couldn't of stopped it at the beggining i dont think.

I've said everything about it i can say in my own, illiterate, covorted way and though i came across badly in many posts, at the end of the day i am now going to just have to sit back and watch what we are "fed" about this war to see if i was right or wrong.

Whilst my heart goes out to the thousands on both sides of this one sided war about to have their lives destoryed, I fear more for what is going to come after, and where the next war will be and how much further our rights are going to be trammpled over to facilitate the ongoing "War against terror".

Cannon, I know your feelings on this. All I can say is support your friends, family, and the troops that are over there. Just because you think that this war is wrong, doesn't mean that you shouldn't support them, that goes for everyone. Just because some of yall feel that this war is wrong, it doesn't mean that you can't wish the troops well.

Psycho-Cannon, it would be funny indeed if they took over Baghdad and found 20 nukes, anthrax, and a plan to blow up a few major cities all over the planet.

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
All right, just read another members post, and watched the news this morning, so I feel the need to state the obvious.

This upcoming war, is just like every other war. Troops go off to war, and the media over plays it. They show crying mothers/daughters/sons/fathers. People need to wake up to the fact that there soldiers! I have three friends right now who have been called up, and another one who will probably be called up.

These things are always going to happen during a war. People are going to miss people, its inevitable. The media, and some members of this forum, need to get over it.

Are you talking about Americans or Iraqis?

You'd have to have a funny sense of humour but i suppose its possable.
You'd have the usual (It's fake / planted) etc but it would still be very worrying and unfortunatly would inflate the wrong egos and make the rest of the events that will take place all the more difficult to halt.

I doubt it will happen though but hey, if there is, the war camp will be telling us "we told you so, we are going to do what we want now your all stupid", if there isn't anything found no doubt there will be a small article in the back end of a news report somewhere in 10 years time whilst the front pages are filled with more hypotheticals and pictures of huge shows of American "Shock and Awe" firepower 0_o

ps: your profile webby "Don't make me tounge you", i was truely ROFL.
I haven't seen that since the end of the 1st series :eek: I saw the new series a week or two ago and I'm so f00king confused...nothings the same...whats going on...I want to watch back from where i left of but thats weeks of non stop video....
I don't have that much alchole / popcorn and Nachos...

Counsler,
Well said. I am not attempting humor when I state that I hope we see a massive surrender from the people of Iraq never before seen since the French in WW2.

Originally posted by dsdsds
Are you talking about Americans or Iraqis?

I think he's refering to all parties to accept the inevitable war.
I still say we need to aknowledge just what this means for the world though especially once it starts I hope people here will be keeping a good eye on the events *Looking past the CNN coverage and accounting for the Embedded media* and judge this for themselves, after all, very soon i think we are all going to be dealing with the backlash from this.

Originally posted by immane1
Counsler,
Well said. I am not attempting humor when I state that I hope we see a massive surrender from the people of Iraq never before seen since the French in WW2.

You mean the Iraqi milittary right...whilst im sure the tactics being employed are to try to ensure the Iraqi "people" also are so thourougly destroyed mentally and physically that they also dont resist but....
Will it even help....the bombing campaing that starts the war..with armed forces they "could" surrender..when the bomb falls and they scream at the sky they surrender...the bombs won't care they will keep on falling for 2 days and 2 nights non stop.

Yes i think that they many may very well surrender or be in no state to fight but the survivors are either going to be, if things go the way GWB hopes, so distrought they wont fight back or maybe they will be so pissed off at the slaughter they will attack (civillians and all) any american etc soldier on sight suicide or not....that kind of punishment does funny things to people.

More worrying that the surrender or not of the Iraqi side...as that seems kind of mute looking at the level of firepower being thrown at them...is how the rest of the Middle east is going to take what they see being done to the Iraqi population and how the Subsequent "invaders / liberators" act on taking Iraq and dealing with its survivors and Infrastructure.
They are the ones who you will have to worry about most.

Well said. I am not attempting humor when I state that I hope we see a massive surrender from the people of Iraq never before seen since the French in WW2.

I would like to see that to. I think everyone would like to see that. I think that its very possible to. If the American's and British go over there with enough force (Not firing a shot, just big guns), then the Iraqi soldiers are going to say "Okay, screw this. I ain't gonna hop in front of any bullets for that wacko."

Yes I am talking about both parties of this war. Iraqis and Americans, and anyone else who may be in this war.

Cannon, Im PMing you some farscape stuff.

I wonder.

Where is the official UN/SC Iraq-Peacekeeping/human shield force, and why aren't they flying into Iraq to protect Saddam and his willing subjects from the evil aggressions of the rogue states USA, Britain, Kuwait, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Spain, and some others, ahead of the start of the bombing?

What's up with the UN/SC? Where's the strength of its convictions?

In GWB's pocket.
But i still have some hope when this all blows up some shred of dignity will be left in the UN / SC or International movement so that we will be able to bring about some structure that will be more effective in dealing with this stuff, starting with GWB and co.

i still have some hope when this all blows up some shred of dignity will be left in the UN / SC or International movement so that we will be able to bring about some structure that will be more effective in dealing with this stuff, starting with GWB and co.
Therein lies the reason certain SC permanent members and their partners are losing the UNSC its relevence: France, Russia and China are attempting to use the resolutions on Iraq to mitigate the disproportionate abilities of the US to influence and project power.

The Iraq resolutions say nothing about the US, as they're all about Iraq. Any attempts to use them beyond their intent and scope (to control Iraq), as for the purpose instead of attempting to control the US and its ability to act in its own interest, is to earn irrelevence points for the SC.

You see, the US still has a veto even the UN can't grant it, nor take away.

2 groups of 2 words to ponder, G:

Common Enemy
United Nations

As the US isolates and expends itself in selfish conflict, the UN (or its successor) will start to resemble its name as never before.

its natural to worry. Some people do blow it out of perspective. The media goes after emotion because that takes up airtime and they get paid by the commercial. Who would watch a show that was 30 straight minutes of old geezers bitching at each other over policy? It's called cspan and I don't know many people that can sit down and watch it. In all likelyhood they will be alright. Nato is second to none. Members of nato are going to be the ones fighting this war so there is nothing to worry about. Maybe afew fumes from all the oil wells but no biggy.

I think you are correct. Could a facist America be the down fall of the un as it would try to reshape the world in its own image? I could see the world devided up into 10 countries like the us. These countries being sub-countries in a federation with a elected assembly. It would be interesting how colonial assets are admitted into the assembly. Will we repeat the same mistakes or will we get it right and have a thousand years of peace?