Cut down on energy use!

Stuff four people in your car instead of driving around town all day by yourself. Or ride a bus. Don't buy a huge SUV unless you know you are going to be carrying a lot of stuff all the time (not just once or twice). Prius' (despite recent badmouthing) are actually a hell of a lot more energy efficient than pretty much anything that affordable and practical today. Replace your lightbulbs with fluorescent ones (if you havent already). Make sure your house is sealed properly to cut down on heating or AC use.

If you don't have the money for a prius then buy an old diesel and run it on straight vegetable oil that you can get for free from your local restaurants. It only costs a few hundred dollars to convert, pretty simple. If you want to make actual fuel, then read about how to process the free vegetable oil with lye and ethanol to create biodiesel. You don't have to be a chemist (but it helps). You'll probably spend a bit more than what you need to run off of straight veg oil, but you can make an ASTM standard fuel (that you could even sell) that will run in any standard, unaltered diesel engine.

If that isn't enough, you can take the byproduct of biodiesel, glycerine, and either make soap, or ferment it and make a natural gas with which you can power cooking ovens, water heaters, or other heating devices.

Buy solar panels! After the initial expense, its free energy! Connect the panels to a network of batteries to store the excess energy (if there is any) so that it can be used at night.

And on top of it all, urge your government representatives that this is one of, if not the most important issue facing our country, as well as the world, today.

Here are some useful links:
University of Florida (where my dad works as a professor) on energy use. Includes guides for easy home conservation of energy that will both greatly reduce the money you spend and the energy you use up:
http://search.ufl.edu/web?query=energy

Appalachian State University's Biodiesel operation:
http://www.biodiesel.appstate.edu/

Methods of running on straight vegetable oil:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html

Power scorecard, another site telling you easy ways you can reduce your energy impact:
http://powerscorecard.org/reduce_energy.cfm

Cut down on energy use!

No, thank you ...I'm doin' just fine the way I live now.

But I do wish that you idealists would do as you want others to do ...that would free up some energy that I could use.

Baron Max

I, a single chick, am supposed to cut back on energy use? I hardly use any as it is. I don't have a house full of kids so I seldom run the heat or a/c. My utility bills are miniscule. I drive a small car that gets great mpg. What more am I supposed to do? Turn off the computer:confused:

When those who preach about energy consumption start practicing what they preach, I may be impressed. Then again, maybe not.:rolleyes:

And if anyone in my neighborhood ever starts running a vehicle on vegetable oil, I would faint from shock.

I disagree that "...And on top of it all, urge your government representatives that this is one of, if not the most important issue facing our country, as well as the world, today."-- Are you serious? We have MUCH bigger problems than energy use. We're trying to stay alive from evil terrorist threats and away from criminal aliens.:(

This message was intended for all those who actually give a shit, Baron. And how exactly do you know I'm not taking my own advice? Or would you rather inaccurately lump all people you don't like into one ill-fitting stereotype just so you can belch out some more hot air simply because the world never went the way you wanted it to from the get-go. You don't have to take out all your regrets on others, just go out and do something so you can stop complaining.

And if anyone in my neighborhood ever starts running a vehicle on vegetable oil, I would faint from shock.


Why? Because you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you can't imagine anyone actually reusing something instead of just wasting more resources they can't make anymore of? Tell me this, what are you gonna do when you don't have anymore oil? We use fossil fuels to run the generators that create electricity to power electric cars. We use them to create hydrogen fuel.

Tell me, why exactly would you faint from shock if anyone around you showed enough intelligence and ingenuity to slightly modify their engine so they could reuse a very common substance as fuel and not even have to pay for it? Where is the absurdity in that?

This message was intended for all those who actually give a shit, Baron.

I do give a shit! I want everyone else to stop using so damned much energy, and especially energy that they don't absolutely have to use. People should never go to the movies, because that's not necessary to survival. And people shouldn't use computers unless it's absolutely necessary to survival.

Hey, wait a minute ...why are you using a computer? Is it necessary?? Or are you just proving that you're like everyone else ....a hippo-critter?

Baron Max

I do give a shit! I want everyone else to stop using so damned much energy, and especially energy that they don't absolutely have to use. People should never go to the movies, because that's not necessary to survival. And people shouldn't use computers unless it's absolutely necessary to survival.

Hey, wait a minute ...why are you using a computer? Is it necessary?? Or are you just proving that you're like everyone else ....a hippo-critter?

Baron Max

Did I say anything about not using a computer? No... Why don't you check out the last time I even posted here besides today. Because I really am fed up with this place and the hypocrisy here. I don't use the computer that much at all, in fact this one isn't even mine and it would be on regardless of my presence here. And I am using to post this message aren't I? So if it even gets one person to heed my advice, then I'd say the cost of the energy for me to use it is worth the energy not used because of it.

I am, at the moment, involved the process of fitting a van with the heating and filtering equipment needed for it to run on vegetable oil. This van will be driven with at least 3 people in it. I've talked to professors and researches at the university of florida about the process of making biodiesel. My dad is an engineering researcher/teacher there and has been gradually but steadily modifying our house to be more energy efficient. I drive a '92 honda civic that gets ~30mpg but I'd say I only drive 4 or 5 miles a day on average and I try to ride with people or have them ride with me as much as possible. I turn off anything I am not using (and sometimes for other people who leave them on). I don't use the AC. I still live with my parents even though I am 21.

Baron, the reason I haven't been here in a while and will continue to not come here is because of people like you. You would rather be the cynic and disagree or bring someone down than just do your own thing. It seems like most people here end up doing that. Try not to be such a grumpy old man, at least for your own sake.

Being green is expensive.

If everyone tells their MP to do something, everything will no doubt become more expensive. Be arsed.

The world isn't going to implode. It isn't going to do anything very much different from what it would naturally, if us humans weren't here.

We're all going to be dead by the next ice-age. Tough luck for the generation that get it, but would it be any less of a hardship for the next generation, or the generation 100 years from then? Probably not.

As for the Maldives going underwater. Unlucky. Get the fuck out of there before it does.

In short, though, doing all of this environmentally friendly stuff is expensive and will change my (and most peoples) way of life. I don't really relish the thought.

If I lived in a city centre, rode a bike everywhere and was a vegan, maybe I wouldn't really care, because it wouldn't affect me that much.

That's just the thing.... its not expensive. Maybe the initial costs seem a little daunting the the average joe, but in a few years time you'll get all that money back because you won't be wasting nearly as much as you would with 'conventional' use. And a few years after that you'll actually have more money in your pocket than you would if you hadn't spent the initial money to become efficient.

So its not just because I want to "save the world." I am by no means the eco-friendly hippie that you seem to want to make me out as. I just see it as stupid and wasteful to be using so much energy and spending so much of your own money doing it when you could just upgrade and make things both efficient as well as less expensive. Your just kicking yourself in the ass at the moment and its not just your kids that will regret it. You will too, somewhere down the line, unless you aren't aware enough to figure it out.

In short, though, doing all of this environmentally friendly stuff is expensive and will change my (and most peoples) way of life. I don't really relish the thought.


Does using a different lightbulb change your life? Does using a different fuel change your life? Does changing your AC filter every now and then change your life? Does sealing up your house so that your energy bill doesn't go through your roof change your life (other than saving you money). Would carpooling or riding the bus really change your life enough to make you more uncomfortable than you already are? Would doing things like being more moderate with your usage of hot water, AC and heat, filling your dishwasher and clothes washer to full capacity for every load, replacing inefficient appliances, replacing your shower and faucet heads with more efficient ones, really change your way of life enough for you to just not care that you are wasting so much as it is?

If you did these things, you would be saving a lot more money in the longer run that if you didn't. Of course, if you live in an apartment, I guess it would not be feasible to do it yourself, but you could always try to persuade the owner that doing these things would save them a lot of money later on (and it very well does).

Money saving tips for energy efficiency:
http://livinggreen.ifas.ufl.edu/energy/money_saving_tips.html

That's just the thing.... its not expensive. Maybe the initial costs seem a little daunting the the average joe, but in a few years time you'll get all that money back because you won't be wasting nearly as much as you would with 'conventional' use. And a few years after that you'll actually have more money in your pocket than you would if you hadn't spent the initial money to become efficient.

So its not just because I want to "save the world." I am by no means the eco-friendly hippie that you seem to want to make me out as. I just see it as stupid and wasteful to be using so much energy and spending so much of your own money doing it when you could just upgrade and make things both efficient as well as less expensive. Your just kicking yourself in the ass at the moment and its not just your kids that will regret it. You will too, somewhere down the line, unless you aren't aware enough to figure it out.

To do things by halfs it might not be expensive, but when you fully consider everything you do and approach each area of your life with the same enviro-friendly frameset, it will be expensive.

Solar panels are expensive just now and depending on where you live, aren't all that great. For about 8 months of the year, they'd be pretty much redundant where I am. I would love some solar panels, wind turbines and a battery farm to run my little hideout in the woods, but in a normal house, in a normal street, these things aren't that easy. I know they sound like excuses, and they are to an extent, but things like planning permission, neighbour's consent, cost of alteration to your house, hiring of a qualified electrician - these things all add up.

I like to go the whole-hog when I do something, and I suppose that's why I'm a little hung up on it. I do agree with what you're saying, honest. :)

To change an inefficient house into a very efficient house is no mean feat. Decent windows, new and more efficient insulation, possible rewiring, draught excluders, energy efficient appliances, new water tank, solar panels, wind turbines, rain collection system with purification and so on. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

But I am only asking to do what you can without really changing how you live. If you follow just those tips on what you can do in your own home to make what you already do more efficient, then you are basically living just the same as you always have been, but you aren't wasting so much and you have some more money to spend on what you really want.

If you were to go all out, then you would likely never have to pay for energy again. There are more ways than just windmills and solar panels to create power. But at least here in florida, those solar panels are really useful. And in Kansas, those windmills can pump out a lot of energy.

If you can or want to do more, then all the power to you. I know a retired professor from the university that collects all his biodegradable waste and composts it to create methane; he can make natural gas from the leaves he rakes up in his yard. He says it isn't very useful for one home to do (because of the small amount) but if a whole community were to do this, then it they could basically use it to run all the heat they needed. But I am not asking you to do this, I'm just throwing it out there as an example.

To change an inefficient house into a very efficient house is no mean feat. Decent windows, new and more efficient insulation, possible rewiring, draught excluders, energy efficient appliances, new water tank, solar panels, wind turbines, rain collection system with purification and so on. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

Take a look at the site, its not as hard as it seems. And again, I'm not asking for everyone to put solar panels on their roofs and collect rainwater.

Roy, modern society depends on alot of energy use. Unless you have a cheap alternative fuel to offer the world you just make yourself an annoyance by fussing about this. Nobody will listen because most people are just trying to survive the best way they can. Like me, its probably not practical for them to ride a bike 20 miles each way to word each day. Their neighbors probably don't go to the same job in the same part of town so...

Add to that the real problem of the industrializing third world which has no environmental standards for manufacturing and I hope you get the picture. Stop wasting everyones time with your errant finger pointing.

Who cares about wasting energy....instead of figuring out ways to save energy we should find alternative energy sources...

Roy, modern society depends on alot of energy use. Unless you have a cheap alternative fuel to offer the world you just make yourself an annoyance by fussing about this. Nobody will listen because most people are just trying to survive the best way they can. Like me, its probably not practical for them to ride a bike 20 miles each way to word each day. Their neighbors probably don't go to the same job in the same part of town so...

Add to that the real problem of the industrializing third world which has no environmental standards for manufacturing and I hope you get the picture. Stop wasting everyones time with your errant finger pointing.

Did you even read the post? Even with an alternative energy source, its not gonna last long unless you are efficient with it. Most people in the world are trying to survive the best they can. Most people in the U.S. are trying to make the most money they can while trying to care about as little as possible. I am not talking about riding your bike 20 miles every day (though I know some people who do it just for fun). I am not talking about riding with your neighbors. I am saying 'do what you can', and then listing what can help.

If you have your own home, then making it efficient will help you even more than it helps the energy problem.

Who cares about wasting energy....instead of figuring out ways to save energy we should find alternative energy sources...

Again, even with alternate energy sources, its not gonna last long unless you're efficient with it.

This message was intended for all those who actually give a shit, Baron.
when will solar power become widely available?
when some greedy asshole figures out how to charge you for sunlight.

so, why is oil so outrageously high priced?
because mr. oilman knows there are no widely available alternatives.

P.s.
i can remember gasoline being sold for 25 cents a gallon.

Why? Because you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you can't imagine anyone actually reusing something instead of just wasting more resources they can't make anymore of? Tell me this, what are you gonna do when you don't have anymore oil? We use fossil fuels to run the generators that create electricity to power electric cars. We use them to create hydrogen fuel.
Tell me, why exactly would you faint from shock if anyone around you showed enough intelligence and ingenuity to slightly modify their engine so they could reuse a very common substance as fuel and not even have to pay for it? Where is the absurdity in that?

You know, that was really uncalled for. It makes me want to go out and tell the world not to do anything you say. You're a 21 year old kid who lives at home with Mommy and Daddy. Come back when you grow up.:rolleyes:

p.s. The people in my neighborhood are jillionaires. They will burn bio when hell freezes over.

when will solar power become widely available?
when some greedy asshole figures out how to charge you for sunlight.

Solar power is not economical right now because solar cells are still quite inefficient and quite expensive. So three cheers for the greedy asshole who figures out how to overcome these problems.

I suppose you have a better idea? Let me guess. The company that spends billions in corporate R&D and the people in those corporate R&D labs who gave up years of their lives to make an solar power economical should just forego all profits. Anything else would be evil.

so, why is oil so outrageously high priced?
because mr. oilman knows there are no widely available alternatives.

Oil is expensive because it is a precious resource and because you want it.

Solar power is not economical right now... So three cheers for the greedy asshole who figures out how to overcome these problems.

He's gonna' want a lot more than three lousy cheers if he overcomes all of those problems!

And are you gonna' be willing to pay it? Or will it be just like now ....where everyone complains and whines and cries?

Like Leopold, I remember when gasoline was 25 cents per gallon ...and people bitched and moaned and whined and cried when it rose to 35 cents per gallon. And then, yep, you guessed it, when it rose to 45 cents per gallon, everyone bitched and moaned and whined and cried.

You don't suppose our whole purpose in life is to ...bitch and moan, whine and cry, do ya'? I mean, it is what we humans do best, ain't it? :D

Baron Max

As long as somebody has the proper patents and rights, if or when they manage to perfect (relatively) solar panels, they're going to be raking the cash in no matter how much they sell them for.

Think of Windows. Cisco. Other companies that have the product that the world uses.

I dare say it would be a complete mess, legally and for the inventor/R+D guy.

You know, that was really uncalled for. It makes me want to go out and tell the world not to do anything you say. You're a 21 year old kid who lives at home with Mommy and Daddy. Come back when you grow up.:rolleyes:

p.s. The people in my neighborhood are jillionaires. They will burn bio when hell freezes over.

Then it would have to be money that they didn't have to earn.

No new technology helped to "save" resources on the global scale, au countre. Why one would think that "green technologies" are going to be different?

First, industrial-capitalist system, commodifying everything and everybody in the search for profit, must be destroyed. Saving energy within that system is as efficient and useful as teaching a monkey to read.

I, a single chick, am supposed to cut back on energy use?
For some reason when I read your posts I imagine you as a middle aged, bolding male with well defined belly and breasts, possibly, oriented not quite conservatively in the certain areas of life. Damn associations, can't help them.

He's gonna' want a lot more than three lousy cheers if he overcomes all of those problems!
Yes, he will, and he will deserve it.
And are you gonna' be willing to pay it?
If its cheaper than current technology, yes.

We don't actually know how much we're paying for current technology.

For some reason when I read your posts I imagine you as a middle aged, bolding male with well defined belly and breasts, possibly, oriented not quite conservatively in the certain areas of life. Damn associations, can't help them.

Well, you're wrong. Just like every other brat here who calls me a man. I'm guessing no single hot chicks have ever been here before? Other than sam.:confused:

Come back when you grow up.:rolleyes:

If you're what people turn into when they "grow up", then I hope I never do.

If you're what people turn into when they "grow up", then I hope I never do.

Are you still on your computer, and back here on the Internet? ...and wasting energy???

Baron Max

Are you still on your computer, and back here on the Internet? ...and wasting energy???

Baron Max

LOL!!:D
Yeah, and he's attacking the successful too.:rolleyes:

Did you even read the post? Even with an alternative energy source, its not gonna last long unless you are efficient with it. Most people in the world are trying to survive the best they can. Most people in the U.S. are trying to make the most money they can while trying to care about as little as possible. I am not talking about riding your bike 20 miles every day (though I know some people who do it just for fun). I am not talking about riding with your neighbors. I am saying 'do what you can', and then listing what can help.

If you have your own home, then making it efficient will help you even more than it helps the energy problem.

I agree with you here. Doing what we can is all we can really do.

http://homepages.tesco.net/houseofsteel/images/roadster-bicycle.jpg

http://www.72seconds.com/mt/archives/Sailboat%20in%20front%20of%20Golden%20Gate%20Bridg e%20-%20(c)%202005%20Rod%20Boothby.JPG

http://www.rittech.ch/photos/trains.jpg

http://www.skyjacker.com/image/new_products/hummer-header.jpg

Nothing wrong with that!

Why? Because you have your head stuck so far up your ass that you can't imagine anyone actually reusing something instead of just wasting more resources they can't make anymore of? Tell me this, what are you gonna do when you don't have anymore oil? We use fossil fuels to run the generators that create electricity to power electric cars. We use them to create hydrogen fuel.

Tell me, why exactly would you faint from shock if anyone around you showed enough intelligence and ingenuity to slightly modify their engine so they could reuse a very common substance as fuel and not even have to pay for it? Where is the absurdity in that?

Now I see it. Biodiesel is an ego trip and has nothing to do with saving nonrenewable resources.

Biodiesel is a nice little idea whose concept will never catch on.

Biodiesel is a nice little idea whose concept will never catch on.

Oh my dearest sandy!

How wonderful to see you also in this thread. I do enjoy your lovely avatar. Indeed biodiesel will never catch on.

That's why you can get biodiesel in 1700 gas stations in Germany. And in france biodiesel mixed with regular diesel is available in many places. And the European Union insists that in 2010 5.75% of all fuel is biofuel. Which includes biodiesel and ethanol.

Most countries in the European Union aim for this target by mixing regular fuel with biofuel and steadily increasing the percentage.

I do enjoy your wonderful contributions to our problem free forum.

Sincerly yours (and Jesus' of course;) )

your monkey

Stuff four people in your car instead of driving around town all day by yourself. Or ride a bus.

You got great sentimants mon, but what if your home towns got no buses - o r theyr so crap its never reliable? And what if you dont have friendly neighbors who travel the same times of day as you? And cycling can get TIRING if you have dozens of miles to go every day, whateva the weather... Some places the taxes dont go on anything of much use to the public, so any car you get is a godsend. Be real, cars have done more good than bad.:m:

Replace your lightbulbs with fluorescent ones (if you havent already). Make sure your house is sealed properly to cut down on heating or AC use.

Try living in a hot climate Roy. Seal the house and you just sweat more. Air con is craved and loved, even if it ups the electric bill some. The fluoro lightbulbs might help cut it down again, I ges. So I'm all for those... if youve got anywhere that sells them.

Its amazing how politicians talk a lot about global warming while they live in opulent mansions that use up half the towns electricity. Just a thought. Me personally, I don't give a fuck about global warming, this is not the first time the Earth is warming up, in fact the Earth used to be mercury hot. Some say global warming speeds up the process, I say "forward without fear".

Its amazing how politicians talk a lot about global warming while they live in opulent mansions that use up half the towns electricity.

ANIMAL FARM...

Me personally, I don't give a fuck about global warming, this is not the first time the Earth is warming up, in fact the Earth used to be mercury hot.

Ah but nobody & nothin was living here then. Dont think anything could, somehow.

Its amazing how politicians talk a lot about global warming while they live in opulent mansions that use up half the towns electricity. Just a thought. Me personally, I don't give a fuck about global warming, this is not the first time the Earth is warming up, in fact the Earth used to be mercury hot. Some say global warming speeds up the process, I say "forward without fear".

Well said. Global warming a result of "consuming" the planet? Perhaps, but the only thing that will stop it is to stop the "consumer". How to do that? Kill them. Expecting a turnaround in human behaviour I have personally concluded, is as unrealistic as any animal...we are no different. Only a "lesson"(not from Al Gore and his mansions), an experience will make people fed up with consumer capitalism. People are WAY too plugged into their Ipods, their computers(myself here), their Flatscreens, their vehicles, their HUGE fucking houses with the AC BLASTING when it's 19C outside. Here's the bad news people, all of that SHIT contributes to consuming the planet and the great big plastic machine rolling over the planet that gives us our home in this very hostile universe. Trying to get politicians to fix it is the biggest laugh these days, they can't even balance the stupid fucking budget.

I am somewhat looking forward to the ant hill getting kicked over...

Well said. Global warming a result of "consuming" the planet? Perhaps, but the only thing that will stop it is to stop the "consumer".

How do we know what it'll be like when "global warming" has run it's course? I mean, maybe it'll be a paradise or even better? But why do we think it's gonna' be so terrible and horrible?

And I mean that sincerely, by the way.

Baron Max

How do we know what it'll be like when "global warming" has run it's course? I mean, maybe it'll be a paradise or even better? But why do we think it's gonna' be so terrible and horrible?

And I mean that sincerely, by the way.

Baron Max

Yea I agree, for anyone who is still alive anyway.

Yea I agree, for anyone who is still alive anyway.

But we also don't know what it's going to be like after the "globe" has been warmed up. It just might be the most luxurious the planet has been in eons. We tend to see things from the perspective of 'now', versus what changes might occur between now and then. Things might truly be paradise.

Try to look on the bright side of things, rather than always being like Baron Max, that old pessistic fart who post here sometimes. ...ooops?? :)

Baron Max

But we also don't know what it's going to be like after the "globe" has been warmed up. It just might be the most luxurious the planet has been in eons. We tend to see things from the perspective of 'now', versus what changes might occur between now and then. Things might truly be paradise.

Try to look on the bright side of things, rather than always being like Baron Max, that old pessistic fart who post here sometimes. ...ooops?? :)

Baron Max

So you figure no one is going to die is the sea level raises 20 feet? 50 feet? And there would be no resulting war, famine, calamity from people freaking out? This is very unlike you...

So you figure no one is going to die is the sea level raises 20 feet? 50 feet? And there would be no resulting war, famine, calamity from people freaking out?

No, not any more than is dying like that now. You must remember, the rise in water ain't gonna' happen overnight while you're in bed sleeping!! It'll take decades, perhaps centuries for it to happen. I think we can walk faster than that, don't you think?

This is very unlike you...

How so?

Ya' mean that I haven't posted that I want it to happen and kill off gazillions of humans? Sorry, I can't say things like that because I keep getting infractions when I do! :D

Baron Max

Oh my dearest sandy!
How wonderful to see you also in this thread. I do enjoy your lovely avatar. Indeed biodiesel will never catch on.
That's why you can get biodiesel in 1700 gas stations in Germany. And in france biodiesel mixed with regular diesel is available in many places. And the European Union insists that in 2010 5.75% of all fuel is biofuel. Which includes biodiesel and ethanol.
Most countries in the European Union aim for this target by mixing regular fuel with biofuel and steadily increasing the percentage.
I do enjoy your wonderful contributions to our problem free forum.
Sincerly yours (and Jesus' of course;) )
your monkey

Dear wonderful monkey,
I should have clarified 'in the USA.' I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. I sure do like the new you.;) And I love reading all your perfectly composed, mild-mannered posts. What a good little monkey you are. :D

Dear wonderful monkey,
I should have clarified 'in the USA.' I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. I sure do like the new you.;) And I love reading all your perfectly composed, mild-mannered posts. What a good little monkey you are. :D

Oh dear sandy,

I find much joy in my new way of approaching you. It is much more pleasurable and I find that maybe it is more Christian to behave towards other people in a polite manner.

Forgive me for focusing on Europe. I am from Europe and I didn't incorporate the USA in my immediate thoughts. Indeed I do agree with you that biodiesel will not take off in the near future in the USA. I cannot make predictions in the long run of course and hence I would like to refrain from saying the word never.

You never now what the evil terrorists will do in the middle east. They might cut the western world off from the supply of oil. But honestly I don't see how these people would get away with that. Because it would be unfair.

regards,

your special monkey

My darling monkey,
I too, delight in our new special relationship. You are so attractive this way. How awesome that Jesus has opened your eyes and heart. God bless you.
Yours in Him,
sandy

Oh dear sandy,

I find much joy in my new way of approaching you. It is much more pleasurable and I find that maybe it is more Christian to behave towards other people in a polite manner.

Forgive me for focusing on Europe. I am from Europe and I didn't incorporate the USA in my immediate thoughts. Indeed I do agree with you that biodiesel will not take off in the near future in the USA. I cannot make predictions in the long run of course and hence I would like to refrain from saying the word never.

You never now what the evil terrorists will do in the middle east. They might cut the western world off from the supply of oil. But honestly I don't see how these people would get away with that. Because it would be unfair.

regards,

your special monkey

LOL

When you can get a gallon or so of oil per each hemp plant, then biodiesel is definitely a viable technology. It actually doesn't have to be reprocessed, either, just filtered so it's clean. Reprocessing it by adding chemicals is just a way to suck up to the chemical companies.

I'm just amazed that they ever sold the idea of jailing people for producing hemp that can't be used to get high.

No, thank you ...I'm doin' just fine the way I live now.

But I do wish that you idealists would do as you want others to do ...that would free up some energy that I could use.

Baron Max
No, you'd have to pay for it.

Its amazing how politicians talk a lot about global warming while they live in opulent mansions that use up half the towns electricity. Just a thought. Me personally, I don't give a fuck about global warming, this is not the first time the Earth is warming up, in fact the Earth used to be mercury hot. Some say global warming speeds up the process, I say "forward without fear".
lemming

Is it true that it takes thousands of liters of water to produce one liter of milk?

My darling monkey,
I too, delight in our new special relationship. You are so attractive this way. How awesome that Jesus has opened your eyes and heart. God bless you.
Yours in Him,
sandy

*barf*

Is it true that it takes thousands of liters of water to produce one liter of milk?

No. You're forgetting that most of the water goes into other parts of the cow ....like meat, hide, which is useful for other things ...like seats for gas guzzling cars and meat for the rich men and women to eat. No, we must save the cows at all cost!

Baron Max

No, you'd have to pay for it.

Oh, I'm perfectly happy to pay for it. But y'all are the ones complaining about the cost, not me! I don't care if I use up all the energy in the whole fuckin' planet just for myself ...you don't hear me whinin' and cryin' like some little crybaby weakling.

Baron Max

i leave all of my electrical things on all day every day, i never turn off my lights, i only use 400/600 watt mercury light bulbs, i leave my hose-pipe on all day running directly into the drains, i drive a challenger tank just to knock next door, i put plastic metal and paper in the same bags,


and i dump uranium in the regular garbage.

peace.

i leave all of my electrical things on all day every day, i never turn off my lights, i only use 400/600 watt mercury light bulbs, i leave my hose-pipe on all day running directly into the drains, i drive a challenger tank just to knock next door, i put plastic metal and paper in the same bags, ...

Well, you should be more energy conscious ....turn out one of those lights once a week or so ..show the neighbors and the world that you're consciencious about saving energy!

and i dump uranium in the regular garbage.

that's okay, just don't sell it to a guy who looks like a Muslim terrorist. He's one of the guys in black hats, remember?

Baron Max

Well, you should be more energy conscious ....turn out one of those lights once a week or so ..show the neighbors and the world that you're consciencious about saving energy!



that's okay, just don't sell it to a guy who looks like a Muslim terrorist. He's one of the guys in black hats, remember?

Baron Max

no thats a jew.

i will leave my lights on during a summer day when im not even home, witht he TV and stereo on,


peace.

i will leave my lights on during a summer day when im not even home, witht he TV and stereo on,...

Well, okay. But when you leave, be sure to use the big gas-guzzlin' car, not one of those wimpy, fuel-efficent things.

We're never gonna' get to the alternative energy until we use up all that filthy oil and gas. Do your part for alternative fuels ....use more gas and oil!

Baron Max

No. You're forgetting that most of the water goes into other parts of the cow ....like meat, hide, which is useful for other things ...like seats for gas guzzling cars and meat for the rich men and women to eat. No, we must save the cows at all cost!

Baron Max

I am not sure to address you sir. Since I have never met a baron before. My friend told me it is thousands of liters of water for 1 liter of milk because land needs to be irrigated and such. Cows need to drink. In your humble royal opinion could this be true? You seem like the right person to guide me here.

My friend told me it is thousands of liters of water for 1 liter of milk because land needs to be irrigated and such. Cows need to drink. In your humble royal opinion could this be true? You seem like the right person to guide me here.

Well, think about it some! The cow is growing, the cow needs to have energy to move around, to graze, to digest the grass and grain, etc. ...all of that requires water. Now ...which part of all that water consumed goes into making the milk? See? You can't divide it up like that, can you?

Baron Max

no?

I am not sure to address you sir. Since I have never met a baron before. My friend told me it is thousands of liters of water for 1 liter of milk because land needs to be irrigated and such. Cows need to drink. In your humble royal opinion could this be true? You seem like the right person to guide me here.


Well, not sure about the thousands of liters of water vs 1 liter milk,
but speaking of irrigation, worldwidely, 70% of all water use is agricultural
irrigation (source (http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004787.html)). So, efficient irrigation could save significant amount of water.

Again, even with alternate energy sources, its not gonna last long unless you're efficient with it.

Yeah it will, alternative energy sources can last thousands of years....I don't know why people enjoy wasting time saving energy....it's still all going to run out soon...which is why finding alternative energy sources is a lot better......I'll waste as much energy as I want....I should make another thread "stop living in the past, yo"