Is this the future?

States determining what the individual can and cannot do?

Anyone who is against state control a rebel or a terrorist?

Are we moving inevitably to becoming a state controlled world?

No, the opposite. States are becoming increasingly irrelevent.

I don't understand. Aren't we already in a state controlled world?

What does the Free World stand for today?

What's the "Free World"?

An illusion, apparently.

We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler,
Machine gun hand
We got department stores
and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes
for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people,
says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn,
got roads to drive.

Keep on rockin' in the free world...

Been reading Adbusters much?

No, whats that?

Just been reading the latest issue of global issues. :(

http://www.globalissues.org/whatsnew/2008/february.php

And global policy forum

http://www.globalpolicy.org/

Seems like its all downhill.

Modern life is full of contradictions and comprimises.

Some compromises are inevitable, true, but avoiding the truth is not a compromise, its self delusion. Karma does catch up sooner or later.

Its insane, though, what people are willing to ignore to keep their illusions intact.

Shouldn't civilisation be accompanied by a willingness to be less self centered?

What are our choices? This?

Backing up Globalization with Military Might (http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Articles/Backing.asp)

i think you might want to change state with corporations... :booo:

ignorance is bliss....

but avoiding the truth is not a compromise, its self delusion.
indeed


Karma does catch up sooner or later.
getting kinda spiritual in your old age...

Its insane, though, what people are willing to ignore to keep their illusions intact.
indeed

Shouldn't civilisation be accompanied by a willingness to be less self centered?
it's a paradigm between rights of the individual vs rights of society.
if the paradigm shifts more one way than the other, it's not good:
increase rights of indiv/society suffers
increase rights of society/indiv suffer
balance

Is this the future?

States determining what the individual can and cannot do?

Anyone who is against state control a rebel or a terrorist?

Are we moving inevitably to becoming a state controlled world?

Absolutely.
In the US, both parties are willing to give up certain freedoms to the government for whatever (perceived) protection, and the government happily takes them.

Is this the future?


And present.

States determining what the individual can and cannot do?

Yes. We have a contract with the State to not do things. Some call it the 'law'. For example, the State deems it unacceptable to kill another person (except in situations of self defence). If a person breaches that contract and does murder somebody, the State will imprison them.

Anyone who is against state control a rebel or a terrorist?
In the olden days that individual would have been labeled a 'black sheep' or a criminal (depending on what exactly they have done).

Are we moving inevitably to becoming a state controlled world?
Possibly. We are moving towards more State control over our lives. We are willing to give up a lot of our freedoms for safety, no matter how misguided some of it might be. Fear is one of the greatest tools for control.

bells your ignoring the good that comes out of states and that is the services they provide. Would you give up medicare for anything?

I wouldnt

Would you give up work cover and the protections against companies that only seek to exploit there workers for the profits untill they cant work and throwing them out on the streets?

i wouldnt

Would you give up the social wealfare safty net?

i wouldnt

would you give up fire, police, ambulance, SES, Surf life savers, lifegards, garbage collection ect?

I wouldnt

I think defiance and rebellion can be justified. If the State commits atrocious or harassing acts against its citizens, then it is in fact the obligation of those citizens to defy! Revolution.

bells your ignoring the good that comes out of states and that is the services they provide. Would you give up medicare for anything?

I wouldnt

Would you give up work cover and the protections against companies that only seek to exploit there workers for the profits untill they cant work and throwing them out on the streets?

i wouldnt

Would you give up the social wealfare safty net?

i wouldnt

would you give up fire, police, ambulance, SES, Surf life savers, lifegards, garbage collection ect?

I wouldnt

I am not ignoring it. I am pointing out that our rights are slowly being eroded by the State. AWA's and anti-terror laws is a prime example of the erosion of rights in Australia, at least.

oh i agree, i will be dancing in the streets the day the new legislation passes the house to abolish work choices. Pitty we cant get rid of the "anti terror" laws too but i doubt Rudd would feel politically safe enough to do that. He HAS however started making steps in the dirction of limiting Mick Kelpie's powers. He recently stood against him locking the media out of terrioust investigations which is a start. This is what comes from voting in the Librals. I couldnt belive that people voted for him after the tamper. Just look at his former cabinate, Tony abbot (need i say more), Kevin andrews (the idiot who got rid of the eutanasia legislation) ect