For discussion of the on-going speech by president Bush.

I like his anti-deficit talk so far.

pro school vouchers
pro no child left behind

I like his anti-deficit talk so far.

You mean he actually wants to cut our deficit? :eek:

pro helping the elderly but
pitiful tax break on private insurance

After he runs up the biggest deficit in US history with no end in sight, then calling for tax cuts, now he wants to address the deficit. THAT is funny.

I had to stop watching, there is way too much clapping in the beginning

health savings accounts
saving money using computers in administration

Medical liability reform

double border patrol
pro mexican slave labor

I had to stop watching, there is way too much clapping in the beginningThey were bused in and paid. Who else would clap for a prez with lower poll numbers than Nixon at his resignation!!!

I had to stop watching, there is way too much clapping in the beginning

Fuck, am I glad their numbers are dwindling! :)

Who else would clap for a prez with lower poll numbers than Nixon at his resignation!!!

I must regretfully disagree with this comment. His latest approval rating that I'm aware of is 28% (click (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/22/opinion/polls/main2384943.shtml)). Nixon's end-of-presidency approval rating was 24% (click (http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_approval.htm) and click (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicalcommentary/a/historical_prez.htm)).

However, this doesn't make Bush look that much better. :p

Oh, I lost interest, it's just the same stuff as always.

did he say reduce gas consumption by 20% in the next 10 years? yeah right!

Oh, I lost interest, it's just the same stuff as always.

Doesn't surprise me.

I must regretfully disagree with this comment. His latest approval rating is 28% (click (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/22/opinion/polls/main2384943.shtml)). Nixon's end-of-presidency approval rating was 24% (click (http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_approval.htm) and click (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicalcommentary/a/historical_prez.htm)).

However, this doesn't make Bush look that much better. :pI saw a CubaVision poll with different numbers. Clinton's numbers were NEVER that bad. Even after the witch hunts and impeachment! The only people enraged at him were the most disconnected out of touch Washington stuff suits and talk radio zombies. Polls confirmed that.
Poor little George!:p

did he say reduce gas consumption by 20% in the next 10 years? yeah right!
There's a way to do that. Provoke a new wider war with Iran! Gas prices would rocket into the stratusphere.

CubaVision isn't exactly a legitimate source of news, Genji.

CubaVision isn't exactly a legitimate source of news, Genji.Because it isn't news approved by Washington bureaucrats and the Israel Lobby? Besides, the host is hot.

still referring to 9/11 many times.

still referring to 9/11 many times.He HAS to cling to terrorism to justify his wrecking of the country. If we run out of terrorism the rightists will likely plant bombs themselves to justify their New World Order Police State.

I saw a CubaVision poll with different numbers.

Interesting.

I'd like to see Bush's rating after he's done with his speech.

Clinton's numbers were NEVER that bad. Even after the witch hunts and impeachment! The only people enraged at him were the most disconnected out of touch Washington stuff suits and talk radio zombies. Polls confirmed that.

It makes me laugh to see that Clinton's approval jumped from 58% in January 1998, just before the start of the witch hunt, to 72% in February, just after it (source (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005327.shtml)).

Poor little George!:p

Quite.

black and white. good vs evil. Must defeat the enemy!

Oh my God, "we didn't drive out Al Quida from Afghanistan only to have them find a safe haven in a free Iraq"

LOL!!!! That's exactly what you did, fool!

Dsdsds:

Do you not think killing women and children is a "black and white" evil thing to do?

WHat's his new strategy I wonder? Tell the marines to go find the terrorists?

Both sides kill women and children.

I'd rather watch catpoop mold than listen to his rehearsed, phony speech. YUK!

what is sad is that I agree with him. The US can't leave Iraq. Fuckhead Bush destroyed the balance in Middle East by removing saddam.

That's why it's a quagmire.

oh God, Baby Einstein. nothing else going on in the world?

What's he rambling on about? Some African guy that saved a baby? He's really lost it.

what is sad is that I agree with him. The US can't leave Iraq. Fuckhead Bush destroyed the balance in Middle East by removing saddam.
That's why it's a quagmire.

Yup. Now the Democrats and the American people are stuck with the mess the Republicans made. Quite unfair, and positively vile, if you ask me.

useless fuckn speach. waste of time. why the hell do I listen to these pep rallys anyway?

Oh man, look at all those people kissing his ass. (CNN pipeline)

So he wants a balanced budget (which I suppose means he's happy with the Iraq war's funding being in emergency spending bills which are not included in the budget) wants to make health-insurance more attainable but doesn't want to raise taxes at all. . . hmmm.

I also liked that delicious blast from the past, No Child Left Behind, and those school vouchers coming up again. He called them a great success? By what standard of measurement?

He also reiterated that he wants 92,000 new troops over 5 years. If we recall from his last address to the nation just a few weeks ago he's putting Joe Lieberman in charge of that, because certainly if Lieberman can't get dumb kids to sign up to be cannon fodder then no one can. I can't help but wonder how Lieberman reconciles his stance against violent video games in view of the fact that the Army already uses a violent on-line video game (http://www.Americasarmy.com) for recruitment purposes.

It's very much worth noting that the Army and Marines only "exceeded" their recruitment goals (as stated by bush in his last address to the American people" because at the last moment they switched the goal from 7000 new recruits to 700.

Also quite telling is the lack of any mention of New Orleans. I guess he's just glad that the media have forgotten all about it too and doesn't want to remind anyone that one of our major cities was nearly wiped from the map and still hasn't been rebuilt.

I like his anti-deficit talk so far.

Sadly it's just talk, so long as we're stuck in Iraq, and so long as Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy are in effect nothing, certainly not even the slim hope of a balanced budget, will eliminate the deficit.

Oh man, look at all those people kissing his ass. (CNN pipeline)

yeah. "bottom of the nineth, you hit a grand slam mr. president" .. "great speach mr. president". no kidding he's disillusioned and out of touch with reality.

I had to stop watching, there is way too much clapping in the beginning

Actually comparatively (to other State of the Union Addresses) this one was extremely light on clapping, it seemed as if he didn't really please either side of the isle terribly much this time around. He got a very tepid reception this time around.

oh God, Baby Einstein. nothing else going on in the world?

Haha I cracked up at that too. Baby Einstein? This woman is to be commended? She's selling snake-oil to gullible first time parents!

Yes I guess she really does embody the American entrepreneurial spirit, though - figure out any scam you can to fleece your fellow man of their money. Hey it's Capitalism :D

For most there is only the words of the speech.

For others there are the subtle messages delivered through the words, and their future implications.

Politics is as much about science as it is about art or sport.

Too many citizens -- usually with a liberal arts education, at best -- are disappointed by the art of politics, become too invested in the sport and know almost nothing of the science.

Subjectivity exists to give everyone whatever they might personally need to feel good. Feeling good, however, is seldom enough for navigating the real world unscathed.

;)

Feeling good, however, is seldom enough for navigating the real world unscathed.

Precisely why tonight's speech was essentially irrelevant.

I thought the speech was pretty good. I especially liked the bits on the importance of the war with stories of American heros. i think if he'd followed FDR's example and had frequent "fireside chats" to maintain support for the war he wouldn't be sitting at 28% approval right now.

I agree, Madanthonwayne. He doesn't engage us as well as he could and that is part of the reason for his low approval rate.

SDSDSD:

Yeah, you keep on telling yourself that. Americans do nto slaugther women and children purposefully as an ordered action in warfare.

They do.

Precisely why tonight's speech was essentially irrelevant.
Too bad you feel that way. Missing out shouldn't be wished on anyone. ;)

Too bad you feel that way. Missing out shouldn't be wished on anyone. ;)

Well that's all the more Cool-Aid for you to drink, G, be grateful.

Familiar with Relativity theory by any chance?

Reference frames?

Horizons?

How about nutrition?

:D

Americans do nto slaugther women and children purposefully as an ordered action in warfare.

Buh?! :confused:

Yeah, you keep on telling yourself that. Americans do nto slaugther women and children purposefully as an ordered action in warfare.


Well not yet in this war, at least. . . we hope. Lord knows we've got an ugly history of it. Anyone remember The 'nam?

We're already up to torture and suspension of habius corpus on this war, I wonder where else it will take us. Once our nose is officially thumbed at the idea of justice or the moral high ground, as it already is, things can get all kinds of nasty.

You may also want to do a little research about our less than ethical use of White phosphorus in Iraq, as well. Here's a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq#First_major_assault_o n_Fallujah (and don't cry about oh no not a wikipedia link, it's well cited, check out those sources and do some research on your own).

Don't fall prey to the myth that somehow when we do war it's a pretty beautiful loving consensual act between two nations while our enemies are always just raping children, I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. War is ugly no matter who wages it, and we haven't got a legion of Captain-Americas and Boy Scouts to throw at the problem.

Oh yes, or in other words, as Athelwulf expertly put it, "Buh?!"

I thought the speech was pretty good. I especially liked the bits on the importance of the war with stories of American heros. i think if he'd followed FDR's example and had frequent "fireside chats" to maintain support for the war he wouldn't be sitting at 28% approval right now.Though I despise Bush you are right. He's so disconnected and out of touch with the rythym of the country, just like Reagan, that he screwed himself. If he had erased that arrogant smirking, flushed Rummy long ago and had more televised discussions, speeches on his war on Iraq things might be different for him.
But he didn't do those things. Not because he didn't want to but his idiocy would be exposed to all! THAT little fact had to be kept under wraps. He doesn't know what is going on. His handlers are our presidents.

I agree, Madanthonwayne. He doesn't engage us as well as he could and that is part of the reason for his low approval rate.

SDSDSD:

Yeah, you keep on telling yourself that. Americans do nto slaugther women and children purposefully as an ordered action in warfare.

They do.So slaughter is fine if ordered by non communists/socialists. And you declare a whole political philosophy 'immoral?' You certainly do not hold the patent for morality.

Though I despise Bush you are right. He's so disconnected and out of touch with the rythym of the country, just like Reagan, that he screwed himself. If he had erased that arrogant smirking, flushed Rummy long ago and had more televised discussions, speeches on his war on Iraq things might be different for him.
But he didn't do those things. Not because he didn't want to but his idiocy would be exposed to all! THAT little fact had to be kept under wraps. He doesn't know what is going on.
The "Rhythm" method has always only worked for music. I see it's not working for you either.
His handlers are our presidents.
The only thing you've ever said here that most closely approximates reality. A broken clock right twice a day-thing.

Genji:

You misread my post.

Full State Of The Union Transcript Jan. 23 - http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=politics&id=4965263

Me personally I like the ending, of highlighting Americans' compassion.

78% of Americans approved of the speech.

Dems can get away with limited interviews, limited questioning, etc., but Repubs are harangued for doing the exact same thing, because of the pro Dem bias in the media.

78% of Americans approved of the speech.

Now, if only they approved of the president himself, who has historically low poll numbers.

One may lead to the other.

These speeches seem incredibly inane. A bit like the debates.

Turns out Bush beat American Idol in the ratings with 24 share over idol's 19.

Wow, he beat something even more inane.

Hahaha, Mr. Bush beat American Idle!

Goddamn, can you guys not see how well we're strung up? Fuck, it's like I've got a ring in my nose, and I'm being led.

Turns out Bush beat American Idol in the ratings with 24 share over idol's 19.With Bush having killed 3k of our soldiers it tends to draw attention. It wasn't because he's a great orator or had anything interesting or significant to say.
78%? Is that a Cato Institute number? I saw 34% on MSNBC.

Ha ha, someone dragged Cheney out of his bunker to be on CNN. He calls the idea of Iraq failures and mistakes, "hogwash". Could he be any more divorced from reality?

78% of Americans approved of the speech.

Source?

the pro Dem bias in the media.

Did you see my thread concerning that bias?

Oh wait. Sorry. I forgot you were a troll.

Turns out Bush beat American Idol in the ratings with 24 share over idol's 19.

Whew! Gotta hand it to Bush. Being more popular than American Idol really wears a guy out, but he managed it! What an accomplishment!

America is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil. These technologies will help us become better stewards of the environment -- and they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change.

Buh?! :eek:

The president now recognizes the seriousness of global warming? Now that we spent all the money we could have spent on conforming to the Kyoto Protocols on a senseless war? Now?!

:confused:

Anybody notice John McCain catchin some Z's during the speech?:D

I've done some search on a follow-up to the new volunteer-only branch of the military? I actually came in a little late, didn't quite catch the whole thing.. ringin any bells anybody? Ahh, it doesn't make any sense isn't the military voluntary now?

Buh?! :eek:

The president now recognizes the seriousness of global warming? Now that we spent all the money we could have spent on conforming to the Kyoto Protocols on a senseless war? Now?!

If you add up all the money spent in Iraq, it wouldn't hold a candle the true economic cost of actually implementing the Kyoto Protocols. Even the EU, which signed it, has not implemented it.

Way too much applause... got a headache...

Well I think he's just saying what everyone wants to hear. Just bla bla bla like every other speech...

Did he say something about decoupling health insurance from employers? as in providing tax credits for health insurance, so that you could buy whatever insurance you want, and take it out of your taxes, instead of out of your income?

Sweet. That might actually create a healthy market, and allow people in the lower middle class to *have* [health] insurance. Too bad it still won't help those who don't make enough for thier tax contribution to cover the premiums, but it is a start.

Turns out Bush beat American Idol in the ratings with 24 share over idol's 19.

Man, is this administration this PATHETIC?????

They have to get a positive feedback like this, just to feel better about themselves???

So, a political speech was rated better than an entertainment show? Well, I digress, they were both entertainment.

Of course they are uncomparable, because:

1. They were in different timeslots.
2. The speech was on 7 channels, AI only on one.
3. One is a talentshow, the other is a man searching for a talent....