today the word communism sets off an automatic feeling of ignorant fear in the hearts of americans. This has caused a great opposition to communist politics and ideals. Ussaly, communism is refered to using examples of the ussr, marx stalin and lenin, russia and china ect. Communism is seen to be "an enemy of democracy" and people ussaly refer it in a way that could be compaired to fascism. I find this ironic and commical due to the fact that communism is typicaly a far leftist view while fascism is on the far right. What many people dont seem to understand, is that communists vary in their views on the exucution of the ideals of communism. State or soviet style communism/socialism are in essence, a restrictive and oppressive type of econamic system. However, anarchists uphold the ideals of communial style living without oppressive leaders, genocidle actions, totaltarian governments ect ect. I think it would be a service and eye opening expierence for many opposers to non-capitalist econamys to study the differences od state and anarcho communism.
In my opinion the closest to the communist ideology, is life lived in the monastery. Try it on. Maybe it's to your liking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs i was right all along! it confirms everything i've thought for a long time including my visions of a better future! everything i suspected would come to pass has and the reason why. i knew this type of economic system would fail or lead to critical mass, it was very obvious by examining it's mechanism and root. most people were laughing at me but i was right and they were the fool.
Monastery life is FAR from PyschoBound's vision of a society without rules. Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Saint_Benedict * Chapter 1 defines four kinds of monks: (1) Cenobites, those "in a monastery, where they serve under a rule and an abbot"; (2) Anchorites, or hermits, who, after long successful training in a monastery, are now coping single-handedly, with only God for their help; (3) Sarabaites, living by twos and threes together or even alone, with no experience, rule and superior, and thus a law unto themselves; and (4) Gyrovagues, wandering from one monastery to another, slaves to their own wills and appetites. It is for the first of these kinds of monks, the cenobites, * Chapter 2 describes the necessary qualifications of an abbot, forbids the abbot to make distinctions between persons in the monastery except for particular merit, and warns him he will be answerable for the salvation of the souls in his care. * Chapter 3 ordains the calling of the brothers to council upon all affairs of importance to the community. * Chapter 4 lists 73 "tools for good work" "tools of the spiritual craft" for the "workshop" that is "the enclosure of the monastery and the stability in the community". These are essentially the duties of every Christian and are mainly Scriptural either in letter or in spirit. * Chapter 5 prescribes prompt, ungrudging, and absolute obedience to the superior in all things lawful, "unhesitating obedience" being called the first degree, or step, of humility. * Chapter 6 recommends moderation in the use of speech, but does not enjoin strict silence, nor prohibit profitable or necessary conversation. * Chapter 7 divides humility into twelve degrees, or steps in the ladder that leads to heavenPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!1) Fear God;(2) Substitute one's will to the will of God;(3) Be obedient to one's superior;(4) Be patient amid hardships;(5) Confess one's sins;(6) Accept oneself as a "worthless workman";(7) Consider oneself "inferior to all";(8) Follow examples set by superiors;(9) Do not speak until spoken to;(10) Do not laugh;(11) Speak simply and modestly; and (12) Be humble in bodily posture. * Chapters 8-19 regulate the Divine Office, the Godly work to which "nothing is to be preferred", namely the eight canonical hours. Detailed arrangements are made for the number of Psalms, etc., to be recited in winter and summer, on Sundays, weekdays, Holy Days, and at other times. * Chapter 19 emphasizes the reverence owed to the omnipresent God. * Chapter 20 directs that prayer be made with heartfelt compunction rather than many words. It should be prolonged only under the inspiration of divine grace, and in community always kept short and terminated at a sign from the superior. * Chapter 21 regulates the appointment of a Dean over every ten monks. * Chapter 22 regulates the dormitory. Each monk is to have a separate bed and is to sleep in his habit, so as to be ready to rise without delay [for early Vigils]; a light shall burn in the dormitory throughout the night. * Chapters 23-29 specify a graduated scale of punishments for contumacy, disobedience, pride, and other grave faults: first, private admonition; next, public reproof; then separation from the brothers at meals and elsewhere; and finally excommunication (or in the case of those lacking understanding of what this means, corporal punishment instead). * Chapter 30 directs that a wayward brother who has left the monastery must be received again, if he promises to make amends; but if he leaves again, and again, after the third time all return is finally barred. * Chapters 31 and 32 order the appointment of officials to take charge of the goods of the monastery. * Chapter 33 forbids the private possession of anything without the leave of the abbot, who is, however, bound to supply all necessities. * Chapter 34 prescribes a just distribution of such things. * Chapter 35 arranges for the service in the kitchen by all monks in turn. * Chapters 36 and 37 address care of the sick, the old, and the young. They are to have certain dispensations from the strict Rule, chiefly in the matter of food. * Chapter 38 prescribes reading aloud during meals, which duty is to be performed by those who can do so with edification to the rest. Signs are to be used for whatever may be wanted at meals, so that no voice interrupts the reading. The reader eats with the servers after the rest have finished, but he is allowed a little food beforehand in order to lessen the fatigue of reading. * Chapters 39 and 40 regulate the quantity and quality of the food. Two meals a day are allowed, with two cooked dishes at each. Each monk is allowed a pound of bread and a hemina (probably about half a pint) of wine. Meat is prohibited except for the sick and the weak. * Chapter 41 prescribes the hours of the meals, which vary with the time of year. * Chapter 42 enjoins the reading an edifying book in the evening, and orders strict silence after Compline. * Chapters 43-46 define penalties for minor faults, such as coming late to prayer or meals. * Chapter 47 requires the abbot to call the brothers to the "world of God" in choir, and to appoint chanters and readers. * Chapter 48 emphasizes the importance of daily manual labour appropriate to the ability of the monk. The hours of labour vary with the season but are never less than five hours a day. * Chapter 49 recommends some voluntary self-denial for Lent, with the abbot's sanction. * Chapters 50 and 51 contain rules for monks working in the fields or travelling. They are directed to join in spirit, as far as possible, with their brothers in the monastery at the regular hours of prayers. * Chapter 52 commands that the oratory be used for purposes of devotion only. * Chapter 53 deals with hospitality. Guests are to be met with due courtesy by the abbot or his deputy; during their stay they are to be under the special protection of an appointed monk; they are not to associate with the rest of the community except by special permission. * Chapter 54 forbids the monks to receive letters or gifts without the abbot's leave. * Chapter 55 says clothing is to be adequate and suited to the climate and locality, at the discretion of the abbot. It must be as plain and cheap as is consistent with due economy. Each monk is to have a change of clothes to allow for washing, and when travelling is to have clothes of better quality. Old clothes are to be given to the poor. * Chapter 56 directs the abbot to eat with the guests. * Chapter 57 enjoins humility on the craftsmen of the monastery, and if their work is for sale, it shall be rather below than above the current trade price. * Chapter 58 lays down rules for the admission of new members, which is not to be made too easy. The postulant first spends a short time as a guest; then he is admitted to the novitiate where his vocation is severely tested; during this time he is always free to leave. If after twelve months' probation he perseveres, he may promise before the whole community stabilitate sua et conversatione morum suorum et oboedientia -- "stability, conversion of manners, and obedience". With this vow he binds himself for life to the monastery of his profession. * Chapter 59 allows the admission of boys to the monastery under certain conditions. * Chapter 60 regulates the position of priests who join the community. They are to set an example of humility, and can only exercise their priestly functions by permission of the abbot. * Chapter 61 provides for the reception of strange monks as guests, and for their admission to the community. * Chapter 62 deals with the ordination of priests from within the monastic community. * Chapter 63 lays down that precedence in the community shall be determined by the date of admission, merit of life, or the appointment of the abbot. * Chapter 64 orders that the abbot be elected by his monks, and that he be chosen for his charity, zeal, and discretion. * Chapter 65 allows the appointment of a provost, or prior, but warns that he is to be entirely subject to the abbot and may be admonished, deposed, or expelled for misconduct. * Chapter 66 appoints a porter, and recommends that each monastery be self-contained and avoid intercourse with the outer world. * Chapter 67 instructs monks how to behave on a journey. * Chapter 68 orders that all cheerfully try to do whatever is commanded, however hard it may seem. * Chapter 69 forbids the monks from defending one another. * Chapter 70 prohibits them from striking one another. * Chapter 71 encourages the brothers to be obedient not only to the abbot and his officials, but also to one another. * Chapter 72 briefly exhorts the monks to zeal and fraternal charity * Chapter 73, an epilogue, declares that the Rule is not offered as an ideal of perfection, but merely as a means towards godliness, intended chiefly for beginners in the spiritual life.
capitalism is evil. it is the greatest hoax that man has pulled off on fellow man since the dawn of society next to religion. it's been able to be pulled off because of one overriding factor: GREED inherent in the majority.
You know why Communism fails? Because under a Communist state, there's only one kind of toilet paper. Something as simple as this is the underlyimg reason why Communism fails. We want more than one kind of toilet paper- we want a whole aisle of different toilet papers to choose from! You can apply this to any other good or service and come up with the same result. In a true Communist state, everyone gets the same choo choo train for Christmas.
and humans are wasteful pieces of crap. they should get their priorities in order. there doesn't need to be too many varieties of toilet paper as only if they are different for a reason and some amount of selection is still doable and fine in communism. people forget that there really hasn't been a communist country, they were all hijacked the term for their tyranny. communism has never truly been tried and it probably won't for a very long time. humans are not ready.
...yet you fail to realize that in a truly Communized nation, 99.5% of their toilet paper is one brand and the other brand is 100 times the cost, which roughly works out to Charmin here in America.
and as i said, i don't see any of these countries today being any type of set in stone model that a communist country must be like. a communist ideology can be tweaked and it can be improvised and changed and accomodated for the best objective or whatever objective just like any ideology or government or policy.
correction, religion is the greatist hoax, capitalism closely follows along with nationalism. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Capitalism is not evil, people are evil. What do you think happens to these people under communism? Since the communist system there is one center of power, is much easier to penetrate, and these people will come to lead. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yes you are right. We humans, we have a competitive spirit highly developed. When we reach, we do not like competitions then maybe we could think about communism. Or at least when we are able to have competitions without referees. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
something id like to point out, you said "communist state." again, communism isnt always based on a state system. As an anarchist, the state is my enemy. Thus, why would i support even a communistic state?
If you replace the religious with communist ideology will very much resemble with communist lifestyle. That's what I want to say.
unfortunately, that's not the issue as much as selfishness. there are capitalists that aren't competitive at all. they just don't want to compete at all either. they just want to do for themself and not think of anyone else or care to look at the bigger picture. this is what americans especially say but the end result would be no different than today. this is starting the same crap in the same way and for the same reasons. this is how insane they are. someone will take power or concentrate power to screw others because it's based on who can take it just like they have. and then who takes the most controls the most. the rest is a foregone conclusion. there actually does need to be more of a central government body to some extent that is more or less unbiased because individuals will not be and can't always act on what is best. for instance, if i wanted to kill homosexuals, without a governing body, i could easily with no one to answer to.
i also think that what the feds did and what corporatism has done could in the end turn out to be alright, not meaning that they will operate as they do now. this on grounds that they also change or are abolished when the time is right or necessary with something better to replace it. but in light of the fact that since it's next to impossible to get people to cooperate without some ruse,force or incentive or dream of riches, it was a start. in essence, the populations do need to be directed and controlled to some extent to have progress. BUT it's just like anything else from technology to philosophy or religion to forms of government and commerce. there is a time when things NEED to improve or change. there will probably be a time when the capitalistic model that we live with will not be the best considering all factors that weigh in at the time and reaching critical mass. essentially, when people realize that it's not the best way after continually trying to cheat or not look at the truth that greed just doesn't work and there are only few winners and the winners will not always be them. then they may see the bigger picture and act accordingly. i think there will be a time that capitalism will be more detrimental (which we already know for various reasons as well even though it works more or less) to further progress. i think a time will come when communism can work and money as well as working soley for profit motive will be more or less secondary or obsolete.
