Say 100,000 random people are plucked from civilization. You are placed in a random earth environment. Everything is completely removed from Earth. No manmade objects.

The planet is completely empty with nothing but nature all around. And 100,000 people standing there wondering what the hell happened. All each person has are the clothes they are wearing.

All the people are of various ages and genders.

I knew this would eventually come.

Is there a question? Are there cameras involved?

My first agenda would be an announcement.

I have a plan. I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration. I will describe my plan of action for all of us. The first thing we need to do is get organized.

1. We all need food and water.
2. We all need an organized area to sleep.
3. We all need places to bathe and use the bathroom.
4. We all need supplies for cleaning ourselves.
5. We all need clothes.

I will describe how we can get organized to accomodate everybody. Before I describe this, I will address 2 things first. First, taking care of the children. Second, remaining at peace.

I knew this would eventually come.
How the hell did you know that?

I'd say have a nice day to the assembly and walk off into the wilderness. Hey, I'm not going to make the same mistake twice.

What exactly is the challenge when we already know how civilisation can be achieved and how basically to knock about 10,000 years off achieving it?

Here goes cool skill with his uniform fetish shit again....

My first agenda would be an announcement.

I have a plan. I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration. I will describe my plan of action for all of us. The first thing we need to do is get organized.
My first step would be to rebel. Who put you in charge?

My first step would be to lynch the pretentious idiot in the all-in-one stupid looking overalls and hang him from a very tall tree.

How the hell did you know that?

Elementary, dear Watson. You're a closet survivalist who ostensibly hates civilization. At some point, you just can't keep the masturbatory fantasies of starting over from scratch to yourself. I've been anticipating this day since your first rant about capitalism.

EDIT: I'm not joking. I have actually been expecting this for months.

My first agenda would be an announcement.

I have a plan. I am an expert in breeding. I will describe my plan of action for all the woman. The first thing we need to do is get organized.

1. Men should go look for food and water.
2. Woman should sleep with me to keep me warm.
3. Bathrooms are anywhere, just pick a place.
4. Woman need linguire.
5. Men need to be entirely clothed, even their faces.

I will describe how we can get organized to accomodate me. Before I describe this, I will address 2 things first. First, woman are here to act as pleasure toys. Second, remaining at peace.

My first step would be to lynch the pretentious idiot in the all-in-one stupid looking overalls and hang him from a very tall tree.
You'd kill yourself? Oh.

Well obviously this new civilization would need pointy-headed managers, lawyers, telephone sanitizers, management consultants. And someone good at marketing - asking what do people want from fire? Does it have to be orange? HHGTTG I love it.

You'd kill yourself? Oh.

Was there a more obvious retort than that? Why even bother? I mean that's like the "automatic retort" that no one else made because it was too lame. You have made a fool of yourself, Nickelodeon.

Not everybody can survive on their own. Those that feel they can, are welcome to depart. Or they may volunteer to help us all to survive.

First, we require a group of people in charge of looking after all children from 0-13 years old. These "Chaperones" will make sure the children are cared for, and kept organized. When ready, I will ask adults who feel they can handle this task to volunteer. We will need one adult per 20 children.

Second, I am proclaiming my goal ensure that our society has not a single incident of human on human violence. We all need to ensure that not a single one of us here ever attacks another person violently or harrasses another person. We will prosper as long as we commit to this goal of a perfect track record for no incidents of human on human violence. There are various ways we can all work together to keep the peace.

We will all get together each day to vow that we will not commit a violent act on another no matter what, and that we will not harrass another no matter what.

We all need to work together to be alert of any potentially violent situations, and step in to make sure nothing happens. If you see anybody harrassing anybody, please try to safely diffuse the situation. If you feel you are being harrassed or threatened by anybody in any slightest form, please let us know about it.

If you have a dispute with anybody or have a complaint about anybody, we will all work together to come to a peaceful resolution that is satisfactory to all. We can satisfy everybody.

Start with the essentials: Set up a bureacracy.

Well obviously this new civilization would need pointy-headed managers, lawyers, telephone sanitizers, management consultants. And someone good at marketing - asking what do people want from fire? Does it have to be orange? HHGTTG I love it.

Start with the essentials: Set up a bureacracy.

It is essential.

Was there a more obvious retort than that? Why even bother? I mean that's like the "automatic retort" that no one else made because it was too lame. You have made a fool of yourself, Nickelodeon.
If your judging fools, I have no worries.

My first step would be to rebel. Who put you in charge?
Well unless you can do a better job, I suggest you assist my plans. I have plans to deal with this emergency situation, and expertise in organizing everybody peacefully, smoothly, and effectively. Nobody else around here seems to be able to do a better job at facilitating and organizing this situation, so I suggest I remain in charge based on my expertise.
If anybody wants to run against me, we will both present our plans to the population, and have them vote on who the best person for thsi job is.

Well unless you can do a better job, I suggest you assist my plans. I have plans to deal with this emergency situation, and expertise in organizing everybody peacefully, smoothly, and effectively. Nobody else around here seems to be able to do a better job at facilitating and organizing this situation, so I suggest I remain in charge based on my expertise.
If anybody wants to run against me, we will both present our plans to the population, and have them vote on who the best person for thsi job is.

I'll do no such thing. I have a gun, and you'll listen to me or you'll die.

I will now describe each phase of my plan. After this description, we will move on to implementation.


The first phase is the chaperone phase. I will have a brief meeting of each potential chaperone. I will be needing a single assistant to help me with all of the phases. The chaperones will be chosen. They will be listed, and accounted for as the official chaperones. A temporary area will be perimitered where they can gather the children, and look after them while phase 2 is conducted.


Phase 2 is the head count. A group of head counters will be assigned to keep track of all the Male adults, Female adults, Male children, and Female children. This will be accomplished by creating a dividing area. The Chaperones will be in charge of conducting the head count for their area. They will count the total amount of children and chaperones.

The assigned head counters will cound the rest. We will draw a dividing line accross the ground. All people start out on one side of the line. The head counters will facilitate each person crossing to the other side of the line. As they do so, they will be counted. Once everybody is on the other side of the line, and accounted for, we will continue to phase 3.

Okay. You're a bad listener, so you're dead now. I put Nickelodeon in charge on the grounds that he will be my political puppet.

I'll do no such thing. I have a gun, and you'll listen to me or you'll die.
Nobody has a gun. I will ask the population to please listen to the assessment, and plans, and assist me to carry them out into phase 3.

I will be The Man.

Nobody has a gun. I will ask the population to please listen to the assessment, and plans, and assist me to carry them out into phase 3.

Do try to keep up.

I will be The Man.

Very well. Your coronation will be now.

http://www.nautiboats.com/images/BudSelect.jpg

Wear it with pride, my Man.

We will not move on to agricultural farming until we conclude emergency functioning.

The next few phases will involve setting up our current tribal village by dividing up the land area for different purposes. Sleeping area, eating area, bathroom area, bathing area.

The next few phases after that will involve distributing chores and tasks. This will include gathering food, rationing food, distributing rations, gathering materials, producing clothes, producing beds, producing personal care items, creating methods for bathing and using the bathroom, etc.

So who gets the rubbish tasks?

So who gets the rubbish tasks?

Jay-Z

I would find a little group of bon ami's and leave the rest to sort themselves out. I'd go live like the wild woman I am and survive. I would NOT entertain the idea of being dictated to by any mutha fucka. Having dictators banished to oblivion has got to be one of the benefits of this 'new world'. I would certainly not adopt a new one!

Lixluke would be banished if he presumed to dictate anything to moi, as I would welcome the lack of law and order and do what the heck I liked really.

Note: The bon ami's I would select would comprise of the following:

Herbalist and or Homeopathic Doctor (not much use relying on modern medicine with the jungle as your pharmacist)
Builder (to build me a hut or decorate my cave)
soldier (survival and protection )
Boy scout (to light the fire)
engineer (to devise great water filteration system etc)
Farmer (to grwo some veggies)
Hunter (obvious)
Comedian/singer for entertainment
Chef
Historian (to keep us in touch with our heritage and to record our new 'stuff')
Cleaner upa's
physical and manual labour force (to build the palace)

Myself I would contribute the 'egg's (assuming I was younger in this new world ;) ) and the moral and the glue that holds it all together

I would be named Princess Rosebud

Each head will have a roughly 8ft X 8ft parcel of ground. This ground is their own personal sleeping quarters. Nobody will be allowed to step into another person's area without permission.

The areas will be divided into 3 sections:
Male Adults
Female Adults
Children and Chaperones

Each section will be divided in multiple square areas that represent the sleeping quarters for each individual. There are no longer any rulers. We will find an object of length of about a foot. This object will represent the new standard of measurement. We will use this new standard to create qual sized parcels for each individual.

So who gets the rubbish tasks?
We are not at that part yet. We are still in the process of describing the area divisions.

So while lixluke talks to himself, I will be appointing my minions.

Each head will have a roughly 8ft X 8ft parcel of ground.

You'd have us live in closets! Good thing I killed you.

We have the entire planet and we only get 8x8?

Follow me Princess Rosebud and leave that Nazi to himself

I will give you cake!

Cake? Nigga plz. Nickelodeon is the King of Beers.

Cake? Nigga plz. Nickelodeon is the King of Beers.


shit you're right! I need to up the anti

I will give you an egg!

OR

a virgin!

(think about it :bugeye: )

I order you all to be quiet!!!

All the women to the left. All men to the right.

Proclamation One!
- all women are required to turn hot lesbian!

Proclamation Two!

- all men are required to report to the task center. Here you will be given your daily worktask!

Proclamation Three!

- He wouldeth not listeneth to me! shall perish under the foot of my elephant!!! Women left foot! Men right foot!

Proceed!!!

I will call an election. Lixluke will offer you a grave, I will offer you 1,490 square km each. Spurious will be taken back to the lunatic cave.

I will call an election. Lixluke will offer you a grave, I will offer you 1,490 square km each. Spurious will be taken back to the lunatic cave.
Ok we have a few wannabee rulers here lets vote!


Nickleodian (cheap beer)
Lixluke (NAZI rules)

ME (with me you get cake, a virgin, eggs And BEER)

Spurious (lesbians and lots of work)

who else?

Start voting

I would find a little group of bon ami's and leave the rest to sort themselves out. I'd go live like the wild woman I am and survive. I would NOT entertain the idea of being dictated to by any mutha fucka. Having dictators banished to oblivion has got to be one of the benefits of this 'new world'. I would certainly not adopt a new one!

Lixluke would be banished if he presumed to dictate anything to moi, as I would welcome the lack of law and order and do what the heck I liked really.

Note: The bon ami's I would select would comprise of the following:

Herbalist and or Homeopathic Doctor (not much use relying on modern medicine with the jungle as your pharmacist)
Builder (to build me a hut or decorate my cave)
soldier (survival and protection )
Boy scout (to light the fire)
engineer (to devise great water filteration system etc)
Farmer (to grwo some veggies)
Hunter (obvious)
Comedian/singer for entertainment
Chef
Historian (to keep us in touch with our heritage and to record our new 'stuff')
Cleaner upa's
physical and manual labour force (to build the palace)

Myself I would contribute the 'egg's (assuming I was younger in this new world ;) ) and the moral and the glue that holds it all together

I would be named Princess Rosebud
Anybody that does not want to participate in helping organize New Colony can leave our land area with Princess Rosebud's congregation, and go off to establish their own tribe.

We don't really care about the comedians and singers. Take them all if you want. I encourage anybody with any actual real expertise to remain to help with the survival and establishment of New Colony. A colony of unending peace and happiness.

Anybody that does not want to participate in helping organize New Colony can leave our land area with Princess Rosebud's congregation, and go off to establish their own tribe.

We don't really care about the comedians and singers. Take them all if you want. I encourage anybody with any actual real expertise to remain to help with the survival and establishment of New Colony. A colony of unending peace and happiness.


War it is then!

In my group I shall also have a military strategist

A vote for myself = 100,000. Even though there are only 99,998 people left after lixluke was mysteriously shot in the back and Tor was found drowned in a pool of pink champagne.

A vote for myself = 100,000. Even though there are only 99,998 people left after lixluke was mysteriously shot in the back and Tor was found drowned in a pool of pink champagne.

hic hic hic

I survived apparantly

Announcement from his royal heininess!!

ToR failed to turn into a hot lesbian and shall be trampled underneath the left foot of the royal Elephant!!!

So be it!!

Coolskill is to report to the shit detail!!!

carry on!

OK, who let the monkey out? Those who break the rules are to be judged and executed. I suspect licksluts.

I will call an election. Lixluke will offer you a grave, I will offer you 1,490 square km each. Spurious will be taken back to the lunatic cave.
This is an emergency temp situation. It would not be practical under our current circumstances to divide the lands up for personal property beyond a simple sleeping quarters. I encourage all members of the population to consider the remainder of the plans. For now we will use these small quarters to sleep in. As we get organized and established, we will move on to agricultire, and urban development with larger monolithic domes for each individual.

While living in our monolithic domes in this agricultural society, we can look forward to developing a next set of land for even better facilities. Progress is inevitable.

Whicever person is promising you kilometers of land cannot possibly keep track of it all under our current conditions. We cannot possibliy function under such separation.

Announcement from his royal heininess!!

ToR failed to turn into a hot lesbian and shall be trampled underneath the left foot of the royal Elephant!!!

So be it!!

Coolskill is to report to the shit detail!!!

carry on!

you are assuming I am not already a hot lesbian

you assume too much, I am very adaptable in this new world, depending on what's on offer.

Start voting folks

This is an emergency temp situation. It would not be practical under our current circumstances to divide the lands up for personal property beyond a simple sleeping quarters. I encourage all members of the population to consider the remainder of the plans. For now we will use these small quarters to sleep in. As we get organized and established, we will move on to agricultire, and urban development with larger monolithic domes for each individual.

While living in our monolithic domes in this agricultural society, we can look forward to developing a next set of land for even better facilities. Progress is inevitable.

Whicever person is promising you kilometers of land cannot possibly keep track of it all under our current conditions. We cannot possibliy function under such separation.


I offer warmth and shelter and a 'maternal' huggy when you feel lonely and sad :(

I offer you as much land as you need and fluffy feather nest or straw if you prefer

Whicever person is promising you kilometers of land cannot possibly keep track of it all under our current conditions. We cannot possibliy function under such separation.

Separation is inevitable. There are too many people. No-one is going to suddenly follow one person only.

Announcement from his royal heininess!!

ToR screamed for lesbian mercy when the royal foot was about to stamp her very lesbians breasts flat! She proclaimed she could be a loyal lesbian after all.

In his mercy his royal Heininess has decided to show mercy to this creature of the night swamp. He orders her to provide evidence of sexy lesbianism forthwith.

Coolskill is to report to the flushing master, the newly appointed Nickelodon, to be flushed down the toilet!!!

carry on!

The elections will proceed as follows.
Each individual 14 years old or above will have one vote.
A group of vote counters will be appointed to count the votes.
Each delegate to lead New Colony will provide their ideas to the population. The winner becomes the leader of New Colony, with custody over this particular area of land.

The leader will dedide how to establish emergency accomodations for everybody, and at the same time create plans for the evential migration of New Colony to a better area.

I could always poison the wells with arsenic, and save the world from the threat of civilization.

Separation is inevitable. There are too many people. No-one is going to suddenly follow one person only.
This is not for you to decide. This is for the population to decide. New Colony will vote for the leader. They will have custody over the current territory. Anybody that is not happy with the establishment according to the freely elected leader, can migrate at their own perogative.

I could always poison the wells with arsenic, and save the world from the threat of civilization.
If you are not happy with my current plan of massive action to assess the emergency needs of our current population, and have some actual serious suggestions, I suggest your present them. We are all listening.

This is not for you to decide. This is for the population to decide. New Colony will vote for the leader. They will have custody over the current territory. Anybody that is not happy with the establishment according to the freely elected leader, can migrate at their own perogative.
Pointless. Anyone whose candidate doesnt not win will simply go away and form their own colony. Therefore voting is pointless.

Announcement from his royal heininess!!

In his divine wisdom his royal Kingness has decided to hold elections with electronic voting machines bought from his good friend, king Bush!

His Royal Godness is please to announce that 120% of the population casted a vote to make his Royal Heininess the supreme leader of this divine civilization!

Coolskill is to report to the elephant cage to be trampled by the Royal elephant. Please shower before reporting. We do not want to Royal elephant to trample a dirty man.

carry on!

Pointless. Anyone whose candidate doesnt not win will simply go away and form their own colony. Therefore voting is pointless.
This is not for you to decide. This is the decision of each person who's candidate did not win if they wish to depart or not. Stop deciding for others. this is like the second or third time you have done this. You do not decide what other people do or do not. It is their decision.

It doesn't matter if you win the election or not. If an individual's candidate did not win that individual may choose to either stay with New Colony or to leave to survive on his own.

Stop deciding for others. this is like the second or third time you have done this. You do not decide what other people do or do not. It is their decision.
Sorry, we should decide for ourselves to do everything you tell us. ;)

Sorry, we should decide for ourselves to do everything you tell us. ;)
All people decide for themselves what they wish to do. This is not for anybody to decide as stated.

This is the decision of each person who's candidate did not win if they wish to depart or not. Stop deciding for others. This is like the second or third time you have done this. You do not decide what other people do or do not. It is their decision.

It doesn't matter if you win the election or not. If an individual's candidate did not win that individual may choose to either stay with New Colony or to leave to survive on his own.

If you are not happy with my current plan of massive action to assess the emergency needs of our current population, and have some actual serious suggestions, I suggest your present them. We are all listening.

I suggest everyone punch a grizzly bear in the face to prove their worthiness to the tribe.

I suggest everyone puch themselves repeatedly in the face until they have killed so many brain cells, they vote for Spurious.

Announcement from his royal heininess!!

The votes have already been cast on this royal voting machines purchased in Christian America, a country that cannot produce lies and neither can their voting machines!!!

His Royal Godness is please to repeat his announcement that 120% of the population casted a vote to make his Royal Heininess the supreme leader of this divine civilization!

Coolskill is to report to the Royal jumping tower where he will jump off the top floor to prove he loves his King Spuriousmonkey the Great

I suggest everyone punch a grizzly bear in the face to prove their worthiness to the tribe.
Why not try presenting actual plans for addressing the needs of 100,000 people?

Either that, or show some flaws in the plans I have presented thus far if you are not happy with them.

Here's a flaw, there's a plan. If there is only 100K people, then what are we worried about? Do your own thing, build a hut if you want, start a cult, basically enjoy the fruits of the Earth. Plans are so "old Earth" thinking.

Why do people always assume that there has to be one glorified leader to lead them where ever they are suppose to go?

I'm sure it would be possible for people as a whole to make there own decisions on what they would be happy doing, and work out some rotational system should any want to only do one particular job while leaving other necessary jobs unattended.

Perhaps it would be best breaking the number of people down into groups and letting them create smaller camps that can attempt to produce not just what that camp needs but Excess. Excess can then be traded (I'm sure Lixluke would love the Capitalistic feel of a monetary system establishing a fair commitment to the labour pool.)

Trading between camps might seem materialistic but it develops a concept of worth and keeps people from being devoured by the imfamous "Red Dwarf" despair squid.

ToR, I luVvvv to hug!

checklist for civilization:

1. bureacracy
2. organized religion
3. Ministry of 'defense'.
4. a zoo


thank you for your attention.

5. Television.

There would be no enemies, no need for agriculture, no need for money or public works, or government at all, it would be paradise. The salmon would come back, there would be orchards and gardens. Civilization was a mistake, it made people work more and enjoy life less. People with children would probably want to build a cabin. Some enterprising people would start working on flint or obsidian tools, maybe find some iron ore, kill deer for meat and skins...

5. Television.

That's funny. I had typed that as No.5 but then deleted it.

You must have been externalising your internal thoughts.

The biggest problem will be food. A hundred thousand people can't survive on the nuts and berries they will find within walking distance. It will take a generation to identify, gather and cultivate grains that will support even a fraction of that population. Even if every one of them is a skilled hunter who can find and knap his own flint and make his own spear, there aren't enough game animals within walking distance to feed 100,000 people.

The problem needs to be scaled back or it has no solution. People will die of starvation until there is a more manageable number. If they are truly chosen at random from the earth's current population, the chances of someone knowing how to build hunting weapons from scratch and how to hunt--or how to build traps for smaller animals without metal--are slim. I wonder if anyone reading this forum could do it?

You'd probably be limited to something like twenty people if they had to survive by gathering nuts and berries from the area they can cover on foot.

Step one:
Kill Cool Skill and eat his brains.

Everything is in walking distance if you have the time. Last one to Hawaii is a rotten egg!

Why do people always assume that there has to be one glorified leader to lead them where ever they are suppose to go?

I'm sure it would be possible for people as a whole to make there own decisions on what they would be happy doing, and work out some rotational system should any want to only do one particular job while leaving other necessary jobs unattended.

Perhaps it would be best breaking the number of people down into groups and letting them create smaller camps that can attempt to produce not just what that camp needs but Excess. Excess can then be traded (I'm sure Lixluke would love the Capitalistic feel of a monetary system establishing a fair commitment to the labour pool.)

Trading between camps might seem materialistic but it develops a concept of worth and keeps people from being devoured by the imfamous "Red Dwarf" despair squid.
I like the idea of breaking the population of New Colony down into groups for the reason that in terms.

100,000 people is simply too large a population to address. Best if we divide into 5 major sectors of 20,000 people each. Then each sector then divided into 5 tribes of 4,000 people each.

Each tribe can accomplish the exact same thing for their particular tribe. Each tribe gets an area, and conducts activities among themselves.


Phase 3 was where we left off. So each tribe has a particular area which is divided into parcels for each member of the 4,000 person tribe.

Each tribe has the following areas. This is the first day, so everything is still outdoors. HERE:

Residential area. (Parcels where everybody sleeps.)
Food area. (Area where everybody eats.)
Bathing area.
Bathroom area.
Childcare area.
Tribe center.


Phase 4 is the design of bathroom and bathing area. We need somebody knowledgable to plan a method in which we can use the bathroom and bathe. Does anybody have any good ideas for this?

Hey guys, let's simulate what would really happen if cool skill started barking orders. Let's out him on ignore.

Then continue with the thread.
Except that instead of 100,000 people, it's only sciforums members.

THEN we kill cool skill and eat his brains.

So basically what we have learned from this thread is that lixluke would like to take our affluent space-age society and convert it into a primitive tribal society.

THEN we kill cool skill and eat his brains.


Anyone else see the problem with this idea?

Phase 4 is the design of bathroom and bathing area. We need somebody knowledgable to plan a method in which we can use the bathroom and bathe. Does anybody have any good ideas for this?
Bathroom - a hole in the ground and some leaves.

Bathe - a river.

That'll be fun until one of those spring-loaded spiney cockfish swims up your Jap's eye.

Only if you piss.

I'm for burning all the clothing, make a clean break.

Even the fat people's clothing?

They won't stay that way for long.

What about the old people?

What about the ugly people?

What about the old people?

What about the ugly people?

With 100,000 people in one area, what do you think you'll be eating?

Roots and berries?

What about old fat ugly people?

With 100,000 people in one area, what do you think you'll be eating?

Roots and berries?

We could just eat the fat people.

We could just eat the fat people.

Let's eat the ugly ones, too.

Just remember, Drinking water "Upstream", Clothing and utensil cleaning mid-stream and bathing down stream. No peeing in the stream.

(The placement of bathing is for accidents, I doubt anyone would want to drink yellow water or have a brown lump for a cruton)

Historically poor management of sewerage systems in regards to rivers and wells was the main cause for many outbreaks of disease including the Bubonic plague. Always boil the water up before drinking (assuming you understand to let it cool before guzzling it)

As for the feed problem as mentioned by Fraggle Rocker, Other than teaching everyone how to play basket ball before devouring everyone for the lack of food, the obvious splitting of the number of people into small groups would allow groups to wander further from the base point so there is more flora and fauna that might hide berries and game animals.

If push comes to shove, everybody would be living on Moss stew.

Originally in up and coming civilizations "Food" was actually used instead of a coined monetary system, the more work you did the more food you aquired. You could then have other people work for you in turn for being fed.

I would state that to suddenly have 100,000 people all dumped in one spot with no provisions or Red Cross aid would be ludicrous.

I say we all shit in Scotland.

How about some mandatory breeding rules? Everyone gets a 1,2 or 3 tattooed on their arm according to their beauty: 1 is fucking perfect, 2 is not bad, and 3 is get the fuck away from me. No one can breed with a different number. Exceptional intelligence may well knock you up one category, but of course there is the problem of lack of things to demonstrate intelligence at, what with the lack of mathematics etc.

I say we all shit in Scotland.

Sure, you can wipe your ass on my claymore.

Here's a flaw, there's a plan. If there is only 100K people, then what are we worried about? Do your own thing, build a hut if you want, start a cult, basically enjoy the fruits of the Earth. Plans are so "old Earth" thinking.
That sounds nice for some, but not everybody wants an anarchy life. Not everybody can handle such life. For those who wish to do so, they can move away from New Colony, and go about their anarchy. Everybody is welcome to stay in New Colony. If you do not want to do so, you may depart.

This is what is flawed about your situation is what you attack my situation which at least gives people options. You simply would have everybody abide by anarchy. I say we let the people decide what they want. Those who wish to stay may participate in civilization. Just because you personally think civilization is bad does not mean that everybody has the same opinion.

My plan is not flawed because it is a plan for a civilization. There is nothing wrong with that, and there is nothing wrong with those that do not want any part of it to migrate, and establish a civilization free society.

Sure, you can wipe your ass on my claymore.
Scotland sucks big donkey dicks.

Poeple would have to have a reason to want your way, Lixluke.

Scotland sucks big donkey dicks.

Be more creative.

It's also a festering stink-hole full of drunks.

Poeple would have to have a reason to want your way, Lixluke.
Wow really?

"whoever holds the conch shell can speak" (Adapted from "Lord of the Flies" - William Golding [imdb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0057261/)][Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies)])

"whoever holds the conch shell can speak" (Adapted from "Lord of the Flies" - William Golding [imdb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0057261/)][Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies)])
Yeah and look what happened to him! (Ralph)

How about some mandatory breeding rules? Everyone gets a 1,2 or 3 tattooed on their arm according to their beauty: 1 is fucking perfect, 2 is not bad, and 3 is get the fuck away from me. No one can breed with a different number. Exceptional intelligence may well knock you up one category, but of course there is the problem of lack of things to demonstrate intelligence at, what with the lack of mathematics etc.

Erm, why would we need numbers to tell us who is attractive or not? Is not beauty skin deep and readily apparent?

I'm suggesting there is. All the problems of the world can be traced to someone's idea of a solution.

Wow really?
In the end it'll just be a big popularity contest. Not necesarily the guy with the best ideas.

In the end it'll just be a big popularity contest. Not necesarily the guy with the best ideas.
Again, you dictate people's opinions like you own them. In the end, it will be whatever people choose it to be. Refrain from dictating nonsense. If you are not happy with the ideas that I have presented so far to the population, YOU do not have to participate. All you have to do is STOP claiming that others are the same as you, and let them decide for themselves.

All you seem to do in this thread is dictate the opinions of others. Pathetic.

I'm just saying what I think some of those in the 100,000 will be like. Jesus, you really are irascible!

The only reason you are saying that is to dictate to others. I am stating what I feel is a great way to deal with the situation. At least I am stating MY opinion on dealing with things.
I respect anybody that at least gives some ideas. Not going around telling people to punch themselves or kill eachother because they are too dumb to come up with some decent solutions.

Erm, why would we need numbers to tell us who is attractive or not? Is not beauty skin deep and readily apparent?

Well we are assuming that people will take all that "It's what's inside that counts" bullshit with them, so no. People will need to be told who to breed with in order for things not to go to shit.

Well we are assuming that people will take all that "It's what's inside that counts" bullshit with them, so no. People will need to be told who to breed with in order for things not to go to shit.

What is on the inside of a sheep, scotsman?

Your cock?

Your cock?

That's not what you said

Us scots can't get enough of that tight ewe pussy.

Quit trolling, little boy.

Well obviously this new civilization would need pointy-headed managers, lawyers, telephone sanitizers, management consultants. And someone good at marketing - asking what do people want from fire? Does it have to be orange? HHGTTG I love it.

We all need towels! and lets hope some beasts or a chesterfield sofa materialize from nowhere:bugeye:

No one would "decide" to follow you cool skill. No one is here, and none of any given 100K would either.
I would honestly decide to kill you with a sharp stone within minutes, I wouldn't walk away from your new colony, no. It would bother me that you were trying to organise others and not hiding, and I would murder you.
Deal with it, you're dead.

As for eating people, I don't know if I could eat the ugly ones (like cool skill for example). It would be gross. I know we don't want to lose attractive people but I think we have to lose some for a while untill the population is down to a manageable level.
You can always find annoying attractive people, and they will taste delicious.
Use the ugly corpses to lure wild boar into areas where we can ambush them with sharp sticks.

Also, we will be able to marry our cousins in this new world... right?

No one would "decide" to follow you cool skill. No one is here, and none of any given 100K would either.
I would honestly decide to kill you with a sharp stone within minutes
Stop dictating to others. Either you would agree or not. Refrain from speaking for other people. That is not part of the discussion. Therefore, completely irrelevant.

The only person you can speak for is yourself. Either get with the program or get a life.

Either get with the program or get a life.

And you call what you do here at sciforums "a life"????

Lixluke, I gotta' hand it to you ......everyone here has the idea "I'm right, you're wrong!", but you take it to extremes that I've never dreamed were possible!

Baron Max

Starting over? Ban religion, science, philosophy, and governments for the good of the human race. When people start thinking about things, or orginize theirselves, bad things happen.

I'm terribly sorry. I feel like a right dolt.
Let me start again.
I would persuade others to join me in killing you, then with or without help I would kill you.
As such, your plans DEFINATELY would not come into fruition even though I hadn't broken lord cool skill's strict rule of not dictating to others.

To take this question seriously, the first thing I would do is make friends with the roughest toughest bastards I could find. That would be of primary importance. Anyone who doesn't do this is an idiot who deserves to die.
Cool skill would hop straight to telling people they have 8ft x 8ft sleeping quarters, and obviously as sure as the earth turns he would be killed.
There's no doubt about it.

You're a bad example of a human being. An argument for eugenics. It's obvious you shouldn't be alive because you have no grasp on how to survive without an established government protecting you.

You're a bad example of a human being. An argument for eugenics. It's obvious you shouldn't be alive because you have no grasp on how to survive without an established government protecting you.

Hell, as far as I can tell, he ain't got no grasp of anything!

But he's sure got the idea of "I'm right, you're wrong!" down to an artform! :)

Baron Max

Get real. It will not happen as long as the masses agree that human on human violence will not be tolerated.

Stop dictating to other people.
You can only speak for yourself.
And your personal oath of non-violence will only make it easier to kill you.

No it will not. I am speaking for myself. It is you who try to dictate the society. In a society that has never had an incident of human on human violence, there is chance for a clean slate.
You will ruin your chances of survival when you attempt to commit human on human violence for no reason.

Ruining things is man's specialty.

You're still dead, by the way.

In a society that has never had an incident of human on human violence, there is chance for a clean slate.
Not in reality. Instead of 100 000 people you should have made it 4 or 5 pussies. Then, maybe, but still probably not.

You will ruin your chances of survival when you attempt to commit human on human violence for no reason.
Are you going to kill me personally? If not you're dictating others again.
Chances are (highly likely) people will applaud my killing of you.
Indeed, I'm not only doing it to be rid of you, it's a tactic to endear myself to others.

Someone already mentioned it, but you really do need to read/watch "lord of the flies".
You are piggy.
At best ralph, and he was screwed before the army guys showed up.

I never seen it.

Either way, WRONG.
FACT: In a society that has never had an incident of human on human violence, there is chance for a clean slate.

You wish to cause human on human violence for no reason in New Colony which has never been exposed to human on human violence.

Violence is like death. You can try to put it off, but at some point you'll be forced into it.

One demographic you simply cannot stop from fighting is children. So we're already screwed. Risk violence, or go extinct. (Not to mention all the animal rights violations we'll be forced to perpetrate in order to eat!)

No it will not. I am speaking for myself. It is you who try to dictate the society.
Isn't creating a society that functions on specific pre-set rules dictating society?
In a society that has never had an incident of human on human violence, there is chance for a clean slate.
Are you crazy? In a society where there are no institutions powers, violence is the first thing that is a necessity.

Violence is like death. You can try to put it off, but at some point you'll be forced into it.
Wrong. Not if we put a stop to human on human violence.

Isn't creating a society that functions on specific pre-set rules dictating society?

Are you crazy? In a society where there are no institutions powers, violence is the first thing that is a necessity.
1. No dictating to a society is what you are doing. Telling people how they will orwill not respond to the ideas presented.

2. Violence is the first thing that is NOT necessary.

Wrong. Not if we put a stop to human on human violence.

With what? Violence? Make them stop. Try it. I dare you.

Get real I dare you to go get a brain. The objective is to put a stop on human on human violence.
The fact that you complain about something good goes to show what a brainwashed slave you are.
Anybody that wants to perpetuate violence is a brainwashed slave.

Slaves are programmed to keep shackles on their own wrists. Offers of freedom mean they put a fight against you in order to perpetuate their own slavery. They will go to any extent to keep their shackles on.

Slaves are conditioned to view freedom as slavery and slavery as freedom.

1. No dictating to a society is what you are doing. Telling people how they will orwill not respond to the ideas presented.
I'm not telling peope how they'll do anything, but I can guess pretty accurately. Anyway, any government that can be established will dictate society.
2. Violence is the first thing that is NOT necessary.
How would you decide who's ideas are the best?

I created plans that I began describing in this thread.
Not a single person adressed the plans or provided their own plans.
Most of the posts in this thread by others either involved killing people or some other form of nonsense.

There are 100,000 people to accommodate, and plans to accomodate them.
If you do not like the plans, you can state what you do not like about them. The objective is to accommodate everybody peacefully.

Get real I dare you to go get a brain. The objective is to put a stop on human on human violence.
The fact that you complain about something good goes to show what a brainwashed slave you are.
Anybody that wants to perpetuate violence is a brainwashed slave.

Oh well. I'm a brainwashed slave, and among your hundred thousand there are literally hundreds more like me. We'll kill and mutilate your innocent Nietzschean pacifist übermenchen out of sheer spite.

Yes. Slaves programmed to kill for no reason.

It's a good question, how will you stop people from being violent?
The chance of no one out of 100 000 people ever getting violent is a big fat zero%. Do you have any understanding of people whatsoever?
Even if everyone wanted to be peaceful (which wouldn't be the case with 100 000 people, but hypothetically) they couldn't help themselves.
They need to live lives and interact with one another.
In reality 100k people in a space too small to adequately provide for them all means there will be excessively heightened savage violence all the time. That's the natural way of things, and no number of hissy fits from a big pussy demanding people abide by his program and sit in their cubicles will curb the violence. It will instead make the big pussy an obvious target. Chances are I couldn't get in soon enough to be the one to kill you, and that bothers me. That's a blow to my plan.

I created plans that I began describing in this thread.
Not a single person adressed the plans or provided their own plans.
Most of the posts in this thread by others either involved killing people or some other form of nonsense.
A taste of reality for you then.
People aren't going to behave how you'd like them to, and your plan in no way compensated for this inevitability.
Big mistake. Now you're dead. Nice going genius. Nice plans, haha, dead moron.

Everything is in walking distance if you have the time. Last one to Hawaii is a rotten egg!But you don't have the time. You've got to find food before you starve. If a hundred thousand people start eating and walking, they will clear the forest of nuts and berries faster than they can walk. By the third day they will have walked 60 miles and completely stripped a circle 120 miles in diameter of everything edible. There isn't enough wild food in an area that size to sustain anywhere near 100,000 people, so most of them will be starving.

With the best Stone Age weaponry, very well-honed hunting skills, and a region teeming with game, I would estimate that 100,000 people might be able to subsist in an area roughly the size of Texas... just long enough to develop an agricultural economy before all the game animals become extinct. But if they all start out in one place they will not be able to walk far enough fast enough to spread out to where all the food is.

Like I say, you'd have to start out with no more than about twenty people so they can subsist on wild plant food. Then you have no problem with organization. Your only problem is that they won't have enough knowledge and skills in the whole group to recreate the technology of the Neolithic Era, much less civilization.

If you choose maybe a few hundred people carefully for health and attitude and train them for a couple of years in survival techniques plus Stone Age tool-making before you set them down, then they might have a chance to create an old-fashioned village lifestyle for their grandchildren's generation.

Do you have any understanding of people whatsoever?
It is obvious that you do not.
You cannot dictate people's choices either, so do not attempt any brainwashed statistics about what people will or will not do.
We have already discussed that this is irrelevant. You do not decide what people will or will not do.
The fact that you do shows you have no understanding of people.

The fact that you wish to perpetuate violence shows that you are a brainwashed slave.

Slaves are programmed to keep shackles on their own wrists. Offers of freedom mean they put a fight against you in order to perpetuate their own slavery. They will go to any extent to keep their shackles on.

Slaves are conditioned to view freedom as slavery and slavery as freedom.


The objective is for New Colony to be free from violence. Either provide solutions on how you think this can be accomplished, or go get a life. Unless you are providing solutions on how we can have a good track record for no human on human violence, there is nothing for you to input. Anything claiming that this is not possible is not solution oriented input. It is slave minded worship of shackles, and the belief that a society free from violence is bad. Shackles are good. The removal of shackles is bad. So brainwashed slaves do whatever they can to keep their shackles.

You either have input on positive ways to prevent violence if you really are the expert on humans that you claim to be or you are incapable of such intelligence.

A taste of reality for you then.
People aren't going to behave how you'd like them to, and your plan in no way compensated for this inevitability.
A taste of reality for you.

STOP DICTATING WHAT PEOPLE WILL AND WILL NOT DO.

Any such stupidity will be ignored as irrelevant. It is not your decision, it is the decision of the individual. Either provide your plans or do not. Notice how the dumbest people in this thread focus totally on speculation what other people will do instead of what they will do. This does not only go for this thread. This is how stupid people in real life think. Try focusing 100% on what YOU and you alone will do. Don't provide any crap about what others will do.

This thread is not about dictating what people will or will not do. It is about describing what YOU will do. Try rereading the first post. Stop posting here if you continue trying to tell me what other people will or will not do. The question is about what you will or will not do. Not everybody else. Describe what you want to do. Describe what you want to tell the people. Describe how you will handle this situation. DO NOT PROJECT YOUR PERSONAL IDEAS AND ACTIONS ON OTHERS.

What if your ideals aren't of a peaceful nature? Then accommedating everyone peacefully may not be in your criteria. A good policy would be to create multiple different kinds of society that are fit to ALL the different types of people, and kept out of poverty by a central government with no legal obligation except to maintain trade and prevent the societies from imposing their will on the other societies, and to orginize armies in the event that part of the population will become resource hungy in the future. Rather than prison, those who disobey the rules of local society could simply be transfered to another society, that better fits their living style.

What if your ideals aren't of a peaceful nature? Then accommedating everyone peacefully may not be in your criteria. A good policy would be to create multiple different kinds of society that are fit to ALL the different types of people, and kept out of poverty by a central government with no legal obligation except to maintain trade and prevent the societies from imposing their will on the other societies, and to orginize armies in the event that part of the population will become resource hungy in the future. Rather than prison, those who disobey the rules of local society could simply be transfered to another society, that better fits their living style.
This seems more like a better solution than telling everybody to leave and go fend for themselves if they are not happy with the majority situation.
Any person that leaves New Colony can potentially establish an evil society to threaten New Colony. Although I would contend that we can handle them if that were the case.

The solution was to create 5 divisions of 20,000 each. But they would still be under the same structure as one another. Then each division would be divided into 5 tribes of 4,000. This means that there will be 5 division leaders in charge of 5 tribe leaders each.

The land will then be distributed accordingly to each tribe. 25 tribes in total means 25 areas. Each structured in according to the same format. But as each tribe leader meets, we can learn from eachother.

But you don't have the time. You've got to find food before you starve. If a hundred thousand people start eating and walking, they will clear the forest of nuts and berries faster than they can walk. By the third day they will have walked 60 miles and completely stripped a circle 120 miles in diameter of everything edible. ...
Quite. The logistics of the problem are most vexing. If they were distributed evenly across the world, then it would be a different problem, harder to get a civilization going. I'm afraid with no supplies and only their clothes, the result will be like the first british colony in Jamestown.

Where are they? Can they find and kill a herd of cattle? 100,000 people could grab spears and form a huge circle across the landscape. Then they could walk inward and flush out whatever game was present.

Organization of the colony depends on how they are going to make a living.

PLAN SO FAR


ANNOUNCEMENT
My first agenda would be an announcement.

I have a plan. I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration. I will describe my plan of action for all of us. The first thing we need to do is get organized.

1. We all need food and water.
2. We all need an organized area to sleep.
3. We all need places to bathe and use the bathroom.
4. We all need supplies for cleaning ourselves.
5. We all need clothes.

I will describe how we can get organized to accomodate everybody. Before I describe this, I will address 2 things first. First, taking care of the children. Second, remaining at peace.


1. CHILDREN
First, we require a group of people in charge of looking after all children from 0-13 years old. These "Chaperones" will make sure the children are cared for, and kept organized. When ready, I will ask adults who feel they can handle this task to volunteer. We will need one adult per 20 children.


2. PEACE
Second, I am proclaiming my goal ensure that our society has not a single incident of human on human violence. We all need to ensure that not a single one of us here ever attacks another person violently or harrasses another person. We will prosper as long as we commit to this goal of a perfect track record for no incidents of human on human violence. There are various ways we can all work together to keep the peace.

We will all get together each day to vow that we will not commit a violent act on another no matter what, and that we will not harrass another no matter what.

We all need to work together to be alert of any potentially violent situations, and step in to make sure nothing happens. If you see anybody harrassing anybody, please try to safely diffuse the situation. If you feel you are being harrassed or threatened by anybody in any slightest form, please let us know about it.

If you have a dispute with anybody or have a complaint about anybody, we will all work together to come to a peaceful resolution that is satisfactory to all. We can satisfy everybody.


I will now describe each phase of my plan. After this description, we will move on to implementation.


PHASE 1
The first phase is the chaperone phase. I will have a brief meeting of each potential chaperone. I will be needing a single assistant to help me with all of the phases. The chaperones will be chosen. They will be listed, and accounted for as the official chaperones. A temporary area will be perimitered where they can gather the children, and look after them while phase 2 is conducted.


PHASE 2
Phase 2 is the head count. A group of head counters will be assigned to keep track of all the Male adults, Female adults, Male children, and Female children. This will be accomplished by creating a dividing area. The Chaperones will be in charge of conducting the head count for their area. They will count the total amount of children and chaperones.

The assigned head counters will cound the rest. We will draw a dividing line accross the ground. All people start out on one side of the line. The head counters will facilitate each person crossing to the other side of the line. As they do so, they will be counted. Once everybody is on the other side of the line, and accounted for, we will continue to phase 3.


DESCRIPTION OF NEXT PHASES
We will not move on to agricultural farming until we conclude emergency functioning.

The next few phases will involve setting up our current tribal village by dividing up the land area for different purposes. Sleeping area, eating area, bathroom area, bathing area.

The next few phases after that will involve distributing chores and tasks. This will include gathering food, rationing food, distributing rations, gathering materials, producing clothes, producing beds, producing personal care items, creating methods for bathing and using the bathroom, etc.


PHASE 3 TRIBAL DIVISIONS
Create 5 divisions of 20,000 people each. But they would all have the same organizational structure as defined within these designs. Then each division would be divided into 5 tribes of 4,000. This means that there will be 5 division leaders in charge of 5 tribe leaders each.

The land will then be distributed accordingly to each tribe. 25 tribes in total means 25 areas. Each structured in according to the same organizational format. Tribe leaders periodically meet with eachother to learn more and give advice.

Each tribe has the following area format. This is the first day, so everything is still outdoors. HERE:
Residential area. (Parcels where everybody sleeps.)
Food area. (Area where everybody eats.)
Bathing area.
Bathroom area.
Childcare area.
Tribe center.


PHASE 3
Each head will have a roughly 8ft X 8ft parcel of ground. This ground is their own personal sleeping quarters. Nobody will be allowed to step into another person's area without permission.

The areas will be divided into 3 sections:
Male Adults
Female Adults
Children and Chaperones

Each section will be divided in multiple square areas that represent the sleeping quarters for each individual.

There are no longer any rulers. We will find an object of length of about a foot. This object will represent the new standard of measurement. We will use this new standard to create qual sized parcels for each individual.


PHASE 4
Phase 4 is the design of bathroom and bathing area. We need somebody knowledgable to plan a method in which we can use the bathroom and bathe. Does anybody have any good ideas for this?

How did you write this down without any paper or pen? Surely thou canst work miracles!

How far would he have gotten into that speech before someone rolled a boulder on to his head?

My bet is here
I am an expert in social design, facilitation...
*clunk*

1. We all need food and water.
2. We all need an organized area to sleep.
3. We all need places to bathe and use the bathroom.
4. We all need supplies for cleaning ourselves.
5. We all need clothes.

I think these two would be our LAST concerns. Skinny dipping in a lake is fine for as long as we have to.

What exactly is so amazing about this plan of his anyway? Who is going to accept an 8ftx8ft "parcel" of land to live in if they have the whole world?

I am an expert in social design, facilitation, and arbitration.
You appreciate that anyone at all can declare themselves expert in anything at all, yes?

So: what are your qualifications? And, if you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you say.

Step 1: Establish your credentials. If they're convincing I guarantee that we will all follow you.

How far would he have gotten into that speech before someone rolled a boulder on to his head?

Probably about halfway through it. Someone would would be asking why we should listen to him, why he is always right and we are wrong, and probably a good handful would start their own society.

Ilogical.

Probably about halfway through it. Someone would would be asking why we should listen to him, why he is always right and we are wrong, and probably a good handful would start their own society.

Ilogical.
Ahh yes I didn't factor in the period of confusion and dumbfounded disbelief over his audacity.
He might have even got up to his ridiculous trivial bathing arrangements before someone said "wait a second, wtf?" and rolled the boulder.
But I can't imagine him getting further than that. That calibre of insane stupidity will snap you out of a bewildered daze quick smart.

Each tribe has the following area format. This is the first day, so everything is still outdoors. HERE:
Residential area. (Parcels where everybody sleeps.)
Food area. (Area where everybody eats.)
Bathing area.
Bathroom area.
Childcare area.
Tribe center.

Imagine 20,000 people shifting between these areas at the exact same time of day....cool skill's ideal tribal society is one gigantic crowd disaster waiting to happen.

That's if he can find 20,000 people stupid enough to listen to him.

Sounds like Glastonbury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glastofriday2003.jpg)

There, the drugs help to block out the madness. Will there be drugs available?

Actually I think I'll post that image so that people can more readily visualise where we've got to so far:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Glastofriday2003.jpg
"Calling all bureaucrats! Please make your way to central planning!"

Yeah even if his plans were really rational and logical he'd still be a huge fucking moron if he tried to announce them to a large crowd.
Hilariously, it happens to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.

On what grounds did he decide to himself that these were good ideas?
"first we'd need like kindergarten teachers and soap and shit"
It's mindblowingly beautifully stupid on so many levels.
Can anyone genuinely be this unintelligent? Is lixluke a joke character by a comedic genius?
I'll pay that if he is, and concede to being duped, good show.

This seems more like a better solution than telling everybody to leave and go fend for themselves if they are not happy with the majority situation.
Any person that leaves New Colony can potentially establish an evil society to threaten New Colony. Although I would contend that we can handle them if that were the case.

The solution was to create 5 divisions of 20,000 each. But they would still be under the same structure as one another. Then each division would be divided into 5 tribes of 4,000. This means that there will be 5 division leaders in charge of 5 tribe leaders each.

The land will then be distributed accordingly to each tribe. 25 tribes in total means 25 areas. Each structured in according to the same format. But as each tribe leader meets, we can learn from eachother.
If you use the same outline for a system of laws in each society, how will you be able to create societies without revolts within them for everyone?What I was saying is that each "tribe" as ou've labled them would have a seperate set of rules and a seperate government system that fit the members of that tribe the best. With each society having the same structure and rules as the others, there's no way that you can have a society that most of the people aren't mad(and likely violent) about.

The form of writing that has been used is using sticks to draw on dirt to draw up examples. Other than that, paper, pencil, etc has to wait until the 25 tribes of New Colony are settled.

The purpose of the organizational structure is to give tribe leaders a format to follow. As they implement them, they also meet often to discuss the different reactions and situations that occur within their tribes, and come up with methods for dealing with situations.

I have to include the major projects into my description.
1. Establish current settlement.
2. Scout for a better land and land for cultivation.
3. Migrate the 25 tribes of New Colony to the new land.
4. Establish settlement in new land.
5. Set up farms.

Again: what are your qualifications in social design and your credentials for leadership? If you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you're saying?

What makes you an authority? It's a serious question, which must be answered or there's no point in you proceeding any further.

I think these two would be our LAST concerns. Skinny dipping in a lake is fine for as long as we have to.
They are the 2 last next to clothes.

1. Food and water.
2. Organized area to sleep.
3. Clothes.
4. Place to bathe and use the bathroom.
5. Soap and other personal cleaning supplies.
(Another issue is potential insects.)

I assure you that all 5 of these are very necessary. We need a good method of creating bathroom area where human waste can be dealt with efficiently.

Each tribe should get one.

PHASE 4
Each tribe shall have bathroom sections to accommodate the tribe population. I suggest creating sort of stalls. People can sit on toilets all connected together, but with separations between eachother. There will be leaves for wiping, and water for flusing.

I'm not sure how all this work, so I can only speculate a design for this. A person goes to the toilet. Water is poured into the toilet, and the running water carries the waste along a path to a tank at the bottom of a hill. This is where all the waste contents will be.

The logistics of the problem are most vexing. If they were distributed evenly across the world, then it would be a different problem, harder to get a civilization going. I'm afraid with no supplies and only their clothes, the result will be like the first british colony in Jamestown. Where are they? Can they find and kill a herd of cattle? 100,000 people could grab spears and form a huge circle across the landscape. Then they could walk inward and flush out whatever game was present.It's just not that easy. We still get thwarted by sheer arithmetic and logistics. Let's be optimistic and say that a healthy person can walk sixty miles in three days without food before he becomes too weak with hunger to continue. Obviously we can't all radiate uniformly in all directions from our starting point to form a circle with a sixty-mile radius, or we'll be flushing the game ahead of us and there will be none left inside our circle.

So we walk in a straight line for twenty miles, then send half the group to the right and half to the left, to form two semicircles that close in on each other. Not back around our original position but ahead of us, where the game hopefully hasn't been alerted to the sounds and smells of 100,000 people twenty miles away. The weakest people get to stop first and conserve their energy while the most vigorous (and this is a good deployment for those with the largest reserves of fat) walk the farthest and complete the circle. The vanguard will have walked 83 miles, creating a circle with a diameter of 40 miles and an area of 1,256 square miles.

How many game animals will we have surrounded in an area that size? Our best luck would be to land in the right place in South Dakota in 1800, and find a herd of thousands of American Bison ("buffalo") inside our circle. We'll just gloss over the fact that an entire pack of wolves can barely kill one frail elderly bison, losing several of their members in the process, and also the fact that very few of us can make or wield a spear. We'll butcher several hundred pounds of meat per animal which will feed our tribe of 100,000... for just a few weeks. There won't be many nuts and berries to augment that carnivorous diet because huge herds of herbivores live on grassy plains, not in the forest. We'll start to suffer vitamin and mineral deficiencies very quickly. And what do we do once we've eaten all that meat? We'll never use that trick again because the neighboring bison herds will have stampeded away in panic and gotten far beyond our walking range.

Now what do we do?Organization of the colony depends on how they are going to make a living.You talk as if we're going to be able create something worthy of being called an "economy." Subsistence will be our only focus, until we become adept enough at producing food that we can think beyond our aching bellies and tomorrow's breakfast. No one will be "making a living." We will all be lucky to be simply "living" at all.

If we somehow survive the first few weeks, we'll be forced to spread out as quickly as possible until the density of the population is low enough that the land will support us without agriculture. As I estimated in an earlier post, I think that means spreading our hundred thousand people across an area no smaller than Texas, so each little family group has a hunting and gathering area with sustainable animal and plant food resources for long-term survival.

Only then will we have enough spare time and energy to concentrate on reinventing Stone Age technology. Knapped flint for firestarters and cutting tools, lean-tos for shelter, tanned hides for clothing and blankets, woven reeds for baskets.

With no surplus labor and no infrastructure, we'll be incapable of building anything but the simplest Stone Age artifacts. With no efficient travel or communication, we'll be incapable of functioning as one large community. The resources and organization necessary to jump-start the reestablishment of civilization will not exist. We'll have to rediscover agriculture and it takes several generations to cultivate and hybridize food crops from which we can reap a surplus. We'll have to capture and tame wild animals to reinvent animal husbandry. We'll have to solve the nutritional problems inherent in a diet with little variety that resulted in the adult human life expectancy falling from 53 years to 23 years after the spread of farming. Then we'll be able to build permanent settlements rather than each family roaming over its entire hunting and gathering region all year round.

At this point we will have progressed to the Neolithic Era, from which it took our ancestors about 1,500 years to build the first city.

All of the original colonists will be long dead by the time any of this happens. We hope our descendants will keep the art of reading and writing alive so they can read everything we wrote (in our spare time with no writing materials) about how to improve their lives.

If we even survive long enough to breed. We all think we're pretty savvy about survival. We can fix a flat tire, reset a circuit breaker, unclog a toilet, open a can of sardines by candlelight. Uh huh. Can any of us recognize a source of flint? Thatch a roof? Track an animal? Turn a young tree into a shaft straight enough to use as a spear... with a flint blade?

Read Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean Auel, one of my favorite books. She learned how to do all of these things, and then spent a winter living alone in the arctic wilderness putting that learning into practice. Then she wrote about life in the Mesolithic Era with great authority and in great detail.

I don't know about you, but I doubt that I would survive those first three days.

Again: what are your qualifications in social design and your credentials for leadership? If you have none, why should anyone take any notice of what you're saying?

What makes you an authority? It's a serious question, which must be answered or there's no point in you proceeding any further.
My credentials have been established.
What are you looking for?

I have yet to meet a challenger that can top me when it comes organizational design, social functioning, system design, facilitation, arbitration, and all the things involved in dealing with mass organization.

I do not do it for any other reason like others have shown to want to be worshiped. I do it because I am the best, and none have come close to my prowess. Any challenger has provent to be flawed or buckled under the pressure. Meanwhile, I conduct the symphony smoothly and soundly for all to be happy and satisfied.

Pretty impressive for a 101 year old man.

Well unless you can do a better job, I suggest you assist my plans. I have plans to deal with this emergency situation, and expertise in organizing everybody peacefully, smoothly, and effectively.

But your plans are stupid, and everyone agreed on it. We suggest you shut the fuck up and do as we say or suffer the consequences.

Nobody else around here seems to be able to do a better job at facilitating and organizing this situation, so I suggest I remain in charge based on my expertise.

How things "seem to you" are of no concern to us. You are an idiot. We suggest that you shut the fuck up and do as we say or suffer the consequences.

If anybody wants to run against me, we will both present our plans to the population, and have them vote on who the best person for thsi job is.

You are not qualified to run. You are an idiot. You are excluded from consideration. So sayeth the coalition of everyone who isn't you.

My credentials have been established.

Only in your mind. Please find 5 people on this site to corroborate your "credentials" and it might be worth considering.


I have yet to meet a challenger that can top me when it comes organizational design, social functioning, system design, facilitation, arbitration, and all the things involved in dealing with mass organization.

Yes, but you don't have a clue what is said to you and call everyone who points out the flaws in your posts as "truly idiotic" etc. You're a pathetic self-absorbed slug of a moron with nothing to offer anyone but your psychotic, megalomaniacal rants about how you are blah blah whatever shut the fuck up.

You are deluded.

I do not do it for any other reason like others have shown to want to be worshiped. I do it because I am the best, and none have come close to my prowess. Any challenger has provent to be flawed or buckled under the pressure. Meanwhile, I conduct the symphony smoothly and soundly for all to be happy and satisfied.

You pile of delusion is disgusting and kind of smelly.

Please, demonstrate your "prowess" you utter fool.

Lol. In reading your comments, lixdix, it's obvious you'd be beaten to death within the hour of trying to organize a damn thing. An alpha of greater stature and his mates would beat you down and take control. The "colony" would probably splinter almost immediately, if faced with a fool like yourself trying to tell them what to do.

It's funny that this is the fantasy you've been running in your head for who knows how many years, basing all your ideas on what is or isn't possible in your fantasy world, and proclaiming yourself some sort of expert in reality. RICH, that is - in delusion. Zactly all you have to offer.

My credentials have been established.
What are you looking for?

I have yet to meet a challenger that can top me when it comes organizational design, social functioning, system design, facilitation, arbitration, and all the things involved in dealing with mass organization.

I do not do it for any other reason like others have shown to want to be worshiped. I do it because I am the best, and none have come close to my prowess. Any challenger has provent to be flawed or buckled under the pressure. Meanwhile, I conduct the symphony smoothly and soundly for all to be happy and satisfied.

Then why is your plan so completely stupid and flawed? Thousands of people would be trampled to death every day in your settlement. That's if they didn't lynch you after that initial pompous torrent of crap that came out your mouth on the first minute of the exercise.

Actually I'd vote to put fraggle in charge and move that we isolate lixdix such that he presents no danger to our fledgling society.

But that is far too indulgant of lixdix's silly fantasy. There would be no "society", as fraggle has made exceedingly clear.

What's funny to me is that fraggle's point about the 100,000 haveing to spread out over an area the size of texas and basically isolate, is that this isolation would breed strange habits, etc that would be a basis for xenophobia in at least some cases that our new tribes encountered each other.. and this growing difference, would become at least slightly more pronounced over time, leading to a sharp difference of values, leading to conflict, leading right back to where the 100,000 were before they left modern society... at least after a very long time.

The lunatic cave is empty, now that Spurious has escaped.

How the hell do you get 100,000 people to shut the fuck up and listen to you?

There'd probably be around 10,000, or one in every ten people, saying "hey! listen to my great idea!"

That's a lot of noise.

Please find 5 people on this site to corroborate your "credentials" and it might be worth considering.
This seems reasonable. Can 5 lixluke supporters please step forward - ie, make yourselves known - before we proceed.

I am the first. I have complete faith in this man. 4 more, please.

Come on, it's a thought experiment. Go easy on the lixluke.

3 more, please.

You are not qualified to run.
Speak for yourself. All are qualified to run that are actually participating in the scenario experiment, and not proclaiming that all women are required to turn into hot lesbians or other jokes.

My plans are specifically meant to organize New Colony productively so that every head is accounted for and accomodated. While at the same time taking steps to collectively come up with ideas on how we all can work together to uphold our perfect track record of zero human on human violence. Especially against those are plotting to commit human on human violence for whatever justification they are trying to impose.


In reading your comments, lixdix, it's obvious you'd be
Imposing speculations as certainty and dictating the opinions of New Colony are ignored. I already stated that stupid people consider speculations to be equal to certainty, and that this should be avioded. This thread is not about dictating what people will or will not do. It is about describing what YOU will do.

I already stated that stupid people consider speculations to be equal to certainty, and that this should be avioded.
That's pure speculation.

That's pure speculation.
No it is not. Speculations are statements of probability. Such as those that use "will" and "would" likely/unlikely.
Speculation is about "probably". It is not about definitely.

Stupid people such as wesmoron use speculations as "definitely".
Doing so is a violation of the rules of logic.

It was a statement of probability. It was an assumption presented as a fact.

You've violated your own rules.

It was a statement of probability. It was an assumption presented as a fact.
WRONG


A presumptuous statement in which jackasses such as wesmoron makes all the time. I will weed them out whenever he makes one as he does so often.

A persumptuous statement cannot be debated. It is a product of circular reasoning. It is about how people "would" so this and that as if imposing and dictating actions upon them. Presumptuous people speak in presumptions. They write in presumptions. That is because they think in presumptions. They do not think in logic.


WITNESS:
this isolation would breed strange habits, etc that would be a basis for xenophobia in at least some cases that our new tribes encountered each other.. and this growing difference, would become. . . bla bla bla.


Someone would would be. . . bla bla bla, and probably a good handful would. . . bla bla bla.


A taste of reality for you then.
People aren't going to. . . bla bla bla.

No one would "decide" to. . . bla bla bla


This is the sign of illogical brainwashed box thinking. Imposing any presumptuous projection upon others to continue their shackles. Unfortunately when thoughts are shackled to presumption, there is no access to actual logic.

Funny, here's a hypothetical situation that can only be speculated upon, but don't speculate, but I'm going to. Fraggle nailed it, anything else is just trying to pry lixdix's ridiculously bloated self-image from his compensatory ego.

Come on, it's a thought experiment. Go easy on the lixluke.

No.

The idiot speaks:

"This is the sign of illogical brainwashed box thinking. Imposing any presumptuous projection upon others to continue their shackles. Unfortunately when thoughts are shackled to presumption, there is no access to actual logic."

In all violation of anything reasonable and decent, so fuck him. He is the farthest from "actual logic" that I could possibly imagine.

Again, Fraggle nailed it and there's not much else to be done besides as I specified before.

Presumptuous projections do tend to continue shackles of logical access from the brainbox, especially when perception proves illogical.

Spidergoat you're skating on thin ice in this new world, defending the lowest moron is a good way to make sure you're the second one to die.
It's really a critical mistake to make, and I think we're all a little disappointed with your decision making skills, but also kind of hungry so...

That's the thing with eating lixluke, you're hungry again in like 20 minutes.

Funny, here's a hypothetical situation that can only be speculated upon, but don't speculate.
Only a moron such as yourself would consider not equating speculation to certainty to mean don't speculate.

Another clear example of how utterly dumb you are. Low evolved individuals do not interpret reality according to reality. They interpret reality according to their weak brain projections of what they want reality to be. Instead of reading something as it actually is, you read it as how you want it to be.

Another characteristic of primitive people is equating human on human violence as natural human characteristic. Primitives consider violence as an aspect of human nature because it is an aspect of their own primitive nature. Higher evolutionary humans consider violence not an aspect of human nature, but an unnatural phenomenon of disfunctional behavior. All primitives can cry about is how various humans for thousands of years have committed violent acts, and boo hoo. Get real.

Multiply these exchanges by 30,000 and this is where we're at. And we haven't even invented fire yet. You're all useless, I despair of humanity, I really do. I'm taking the 50 most buxom women and going off to found my own tribe. ToR, are you coming or not?

Presumptuous projections do tend to continue shackles of logical access from the brainbox, especially when perception proves illogical.

What is the basis of this thread but presumptuous projection masquerading as "free thought"?

Logic is baseless with no presumption, you fool. See the incompleteness theorum. Baseless logic is utterly useless.

Perception is neither illogical or logical by its very nature. It is the basis for the framework thereof. Logic is based on perception.

Lixdix demostrates clearly and repeatedly that his perception is skewed to the the dangerous and non-productive. His entire premise is a rationalization constructed to support his ego with continually defies the reality that he's a loser and a failure, socio-economically. Rather than correct and try again - he "rages against the machine" so to speak, with the specific purpose of gathering support for his hatred of the evil monsters that made him that way. He wants recognition for the brilliance that doesn't exist except in a fantasy he created, and demands the world capitulate to his childish, ignorant, immature, baseless... etc. etc. etc. whinings. I say the little bitch deserves ten kinds of spankings. Fuck him, and fuck you if you indulge his sorry excuse for a mind.

Your comment is psychobabblish, self-indulgant gibberish.

What is the basis of this thread but presumptuous projection masquerading as "free thought"?

Logic is baseless with no presumption, you fool. See the incompleteness theorum. Baseless logic is utterly useless.

Perception is neither illogical or logical by its very nature. It is the basis for the framework thereof. Logic is based on perception.

Lixdix demostrates clearly and repeatedly that his perception is skewed to the the dangerous and non-productive. His entire premise is a rationalization constructed to support his ego with continually defies the reality that he's a loser and a failure, socio-economically. Rather than correct and try again - he "rages against the machine" so to speak, with the specific purpose of gathering support for his hatred of the evil monsters that made him that way. He wants recognition for the brilliance that doesn't exist except in a fantasy he created, and demands the world capitulate to his childish, ignorant, immature, baseless... etc. etc. etc. whinings. I say the little bitch deserves ten kinds of spankings. Fuck him, and fuck you if you indulge his sorry excuse for a mind.

Your comment is psychobabblish, self-indulgant gibberish.
Pathetic rant.
It is not my fault that you are a wesmoron that cannot compare to real logic of true high evolutions. Your motto is "there is nothing I can doabout it."

Unfortunately when there is nothing we can do about it, there is nothing we can do about it.

Pathetic Aplogism: "There will always be violence. There is nothing we can do about it."

Pathetic Apologism: "There will always be poverty. There is nothing we can do about it."

Pathetic Apologism: "All humans are violent and greedy by nature. Nature is something nobody can do anything about."

Pathetic Apologism: "I don't believe that human nature is the ability of humans take control of their thoughts, feelings, and actions, and intentionally do something about any person deficit they may have. Human nature is not that. Human nature is personality deficits that the human can do nothing about. Therefore, they are not really deficits, but excusable."

Pathetic rant.
It is not my fault that you are a wesmoron that cannot compare to real logic of true high evolutions. Your motto is "there is nothing I can doabout it."

Unfortunately when there is nothing we can do about it, there is nothing we can do about it.

Pathetic Aplogism: "There will always be violence. There is nothing we can do about it."

Pathetic Apologism: "There will always be poverty. There is nothing we can do about it."

Pathetic Apologism: "All humans are violent and greedy by nature. Nature is something nobody can do anything about."

Pathetic Apologism: "I don't believe that human nature is the ability of humans take control of their thoughts, feelings, and actions, and intentionally do something about any person deficit they may have. Human nature is not that. Human nature is personality deficits that the human can do nothing about. Therefore, they are not really deficits, but excusable."

Out of the what, 20 or so people who have posted in this thread? two have already decided to kill and eat you.

Extrapolate that to 100,000 and, well, there's not much of you to go around.

Unless of course you presume that 100,000 people randomly selected from the entire population won't actually behave like the majority of people.

Which is a bit presumptuous.

Can I change my answer?

Low evolved individuals do not interpret reality according to reality.

Unbelievably arrogant and unfounded. Wow, an "expert". *yawn*

They interpret reality according to their weak brain projections of what they want reality to be.

Lol. "weak brain projections"? Is that what the "high evolved individuals" call it? Funny that you find yourself above it when you're the prime example - as are all humans. You see, one's experience in the basis of their "reality". The only means by which one has to relate to the world is through that reality, as such - your statement is true for all humans and beyond that, all possible conscious beings that I could imagine. It's more of a geometry thing than anything else really... as something that is itself has only itself to be, and that which isn't it must be related through it, as there is nothing else through which it could relate, by definition...

But for you, it justifies your feigned superiority to pretend there is some sort of superiorty in genetics.... as if one this is somehow better than the other, and you've identified the differences by the resultant behavior and stratified the species, naturally falling to your place at the "high table". You pathetic, disgusting little egotist, every table is the "high table" for those egotists who sit at it. (and note that it's only the egotists who find their table to be so, the rest are just sitting at some tables with a bunch of people) Yet somehow you find yours "special". Very, very telling... but it's not like you're pretending you don't, so the telling had been done and done and done from you. Your credentials are established. You're the elite. Your "skill is cool". You are "christ like". You are the only one who really gets it.

The catch-22 of the megalomaniac, like that of many others, is that admitting to one's self the possibility of the problem invokes a survivalist reaction from the condition that rejects it and anything along its lines with a vehement reaction as has be