What would you like to see in trek next? a movie? series? and what the story should be? :confused:

I'd like to see the Enterprise of the 29th century.

Deep Space 10

What would you like to see in trek next? a movie? series? and what the story should be? :confused:

I would love to see Star Trek as a link between the current space activity...all the probes...ISS...moon project to come, the way this all transforms into resource gathering here in solar system. Like drama of ice overturns on Encelados...the burning in atmosphere of Titan and its huge lakes...beautiful Saturn. Landing on Neptune and Uranus...:cool: :cool: ...sci-fi stuff.

If Star Trek "reenvisions" its going to waste that time...I should let go of it now. That's a huge waste of time. Trek has been about moving forward...Lets move forwards

This show is about exploration about GOING WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE....

Let's Go to an Orbiting globular cluster....
Let's Go to another Galaxy!

I'm mean trek is about gonig out there...I'd like to see the opposite of Battlestar Galactica...I wanna see a Expedition to somewhere else using the best of Trek Tech...

It would be great...The Expedition would be the test of a host of new technology...It'd be an opportunity to explore many different captains that would continue to reoccur in the Series...

Something Like


STAR TREK
DESTINY

I prefer something like:

STAR TREK: The Fall of the Federation.

That would be a different series....and hopefully happen after Destiny was away on its Voyage...

After all...they've said the Federation doesn't exist in the future.

Some pics that Illistrate my Ideas...


I introduce the Engima Class Starship
Classification: Destroyer

Important notes:
Engima is a Stealth Destoyer utillizing several modern aspects in Starship technology. It opperates on a Passive Stealth system which limits the amount signiture engines and power systems produce at the same time reducing it's aspect to subspace sensors. In combat Enigma switches to Active Stealth, termed Peripheral Sub-space Masking

Engima's strongest weapon is the Defiant inspired Main Pulse Phaser Cannon. The weapon opperates at lower power yet at a higher focus and speed than the normal phaser cannon. It's installation on Large starships required a competely different delivery system in the form of an single pivoting node array. It's Arc covers 60 degrees forward the ship.

Enigma would also be the fastest ship pushing warp 9.99 at a sustain time of 5 days. It's engines utilize the Intrepids proven variable field geometry.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8724/enigmadark1mm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Enigma is divisable into Three Parts
Bridge ship: Permanent division
Saucer:
Star Drive:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1379/epicsensorbv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The lighting you see in the pictures would often not be used. The only way to spot the ships would be in an optical capacity.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5285/enigmadark3pw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Of course there would be adversaries aswell.

The Romulan Gun Ship War Glide
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5880/enterepicex1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Although Large the War Glide is the answer to the Federations Defiant Class.
Fast and Agile.


http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6371/epiczy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Enigma was created apart of story line. The ship and story based around the section 31 one and the Federations problems with the organization...but it doesn't always protray them in a negative light.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3432/epicrendevouzxt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WAR GLIDE

For a Darker Star Trek...I wanted darker ships. War Glide is the perfect example. If you find that there are similarities between the War Glide and the Enigma it's not an accident..

Engima was not created in any Federation ship yards.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3937/warglideye8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6124/warglidewingwardmt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

But while I want to change the Mood of Trek...I don't want to change it's purpose...this isn't just another idea about suposing what happens in the Federations...This is about exploration.

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While this looks the same...The USS Epic is a different ship. It is the second in what was to be the only ship in its class. While the Enigma was designed to host all the new tech...It never got it. It was Stolen. Epic was created as a replacement and incorporates all the afore mentioned systems.

Actually I've always been very fond of this episode:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0708691/

I'd like to see a series based off these tiny bugs invading the Federation and surrounding areas. They could even infest the Borg or some advanced species nobody has ever heard of, that would be way cool. Man I loved this episode, they nearly took the Federation over and had immense power. I'd like to see them re-emerge into the story of Star Trek. That would be so neat if they began a new series.

I also loved this episode:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0708770/

They should totally bring back these weird fish aliens and have that probe they sent through in the end be some kinda of homing beacon. They could begin to invade reality and try learning more about species in this universe. What a way cooler thing than the Borg. What would be even neater is if they invaded and the Borg simply couldn't fight them, the Borg fell, the Fish things took over and the Klingons fell, omg yeah.

Those are some funky pictures Saquist. I like the idea of "futuristic" versions that still have a 'shape' that reminds you of current ships. I wonder what a klingon ship or a Cardassian ship could look like.

A Deed Space Nine-esque, long-term plot driven, non-scientific focused, human story would be best for Star Trek.

Like BSG, first mini series or movie then regular series.

I hope they never do a long term plot for Trek...It's the variety that captures the fans...not the thread..

As Lost found...that never ending suspension is just stupid...

I hope they never do a long term plot for Trek...It's the variety that captures the fans...not the thread..
Personally I loved the long story arcs in DS9, becasue you could see how much the characters developed over the years. There was still plenty of room for variety.

I don't know what they're thinking with this "Star Trek: The Teenage Years" thing they have going. I mean they just tried this 'lets go back to the beginning' idea and it didn't go very well for them, now they want to do it again?

I think they should try something new. Say they find a wormhole that leads to another galaxy, so they send a small fleet of starships and colony ships through to establish a base of exploration there. They find a nice habitable planet nearby and colonize it while the starships start looking around. A while into the series the wormhole collapses and they're left to fend for themselves, so they establish a new Federation. The colony starts building shipyards and such, while the ships keep exploring and making friends (and enemies).

If budget isn't a big issue they could even split the show up between different starships, so instead of following just 1 ship and crew the plot moves between them. Each of the ships could have their own role. Some would be versatile like the Enterprises, one could be a real battle hardened warship built specifically for defending the fleet and colony, others could be science and exploration ships etc.

It looks back on how something like the Federation gets started, but at the same time provides some completely new plot/ships/crews.

I don't know what they're thinking with this "Star Trek: The Teenage Years" thing they have going. I mean they just tried this 'lets go back to the beginning' idea and it didn't go very well for them, now they want to do it again?

I think they should try something new. Say they find a wormhole that leads to another galaxy, so they send a small fleet of starships and colony ships through to establish a base of exploration there. They find a nice habitable planet nearby and colonize it while the starships start looking around. A while into the series the wormhole collapses and they're left to fend for themselves, so they establish a new Federation. The colony starts building shipyards and such, while the ships keep exploring and making friends (and enemies).

If budget isn't a big issue they could even split the show up between different starships, so instead of following just 1 ship and crew the plot moves between them. Each of the ships could have their own role. Some would be versatile like the Enterprises, one could be a real battle hardened warship built specifically for defending the fleet and colony, others could be science and exploration ships etc.

It looks back on how something like the Federation gets started, but at the same time provides some completely new plot/ships/crews.

brilliant! i thought of something of that sort myself, only i imagined an artificially made warm hall, that leads to the Andromeda galaxy. then the new starship enterprise would be sent to explore the new frontier, after the establishment of a small base on the other end of the warm hall. this opens up new possibilities, and new alien species.

Sounds very Stargate Atlantis.

And this is in no way a rip-off of SG / SG-Atlantis, right?

It's an old and tired cliche of just pushing an idea that one step too far, IMO.

Star Trek, as a series, should be put to bed - for a long time.
As films there are some interesting places they could go - not least the collapse of the Federation.

ST:TNG suffered hugely due to the lack of any continuing arc through the episodes. DS9 was on the whole better because it DID HAVE such arcs - and Voyager... well, best left alone to drift in space, methinks, alongside Enterprise.

Any decent SF series now MUST HAVE an ongoing arc. It is expected and now more or less demanded.
And there are only so many "plots" you can have for a series of individual episodes - TNG rehashed most of the OS plots, and subsequent Star Trek franchises rehashed TNG plots.

Also - series now-adays need to avoid things such as Character-Shields - where you just know that certain characters won't die because... well... they're the main characters. And that removes any fear or suspense an episode might build up.
I was pleased to see that a main character in SG-Atlantis copped it - as it does show they can still surprise people somewhat.

So no - no new Star Trek series please.
By all means introduce an entirely new series not set in the ST universe - but no more Star Trek series!

Just my 4-cents worth :)

Sounds very Stargate Atlantis.

Stargate Atlantis is about humans who find an old city and fight another race of evil creatures. star trek is not like that at all as the key to the show is exploration. the ideas may sound the same to you, but they are entirely different. dont compare ST to that thing called SG.

Stargate Atlantis is about humans who find an old city and fight another race of evil creatures. star trek is not like that at all as the key to the show is exploration. the ideas may sound the same to you, but they are entirely different. dont compare ST to that thing called SG.I'm sorry - but the entire SG series was based on exploring other worlds - one by one.

The fact that they end up fighting another race is incidental to their purpose there.
It is just like in DS9 where they end up fighting the Dominion.
Ring any bells?

The only real difference is that in SG-1 the "bad guys" are always the same, whereas in ST they are only sometimes the same.


I think you are somewhat biased to ST (not that I want to know why) and you really need to come at these discussions with a tad more objectivity. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry - but the entire SG series was based on exploring other worlds - one by one.
star trek is about exploring different worlds, not encountering enemies every new episode, and seeking allies against the guold, or finding out new humans from other planets. the whole idea of sending military men with guns and a war atmosphere is 180 degrees from star trek.

The fact that they end up fighting another race is incidental to their purpose there.

thats the problem.

It is just like in DS9 where they end up fighting the Dominion.
Ring any bells?
ds9 sucks.

The only real difference is that in SG-1 the "bad guys" are always the same, whereas in ST they are only sometimes the same.
in star trek the bad guys represent something. its not just a story of good versus evil, as often being presented as such.

I think you are somewhat biased to ST (not that I want to know why) and you really need to come at these discussions with a tad more objectivity. :rolleyes:
i should come to a thread i opened about star trek with objectivity? if i liked other shows as much as i like star trek, for my own reasons, i wouldnt have opened it in the first place. you read the headline? star trek, not star wars or stargate.

star trek is about exploring different worlds, not encountering enemies every new episode, and seeking allies against the guold, or finding out new humans from other planets. the whole idea of sending military men with guns and a war atmosphere is 180 degrees from star trek.For Pete's sake - yes it is a more militaristic view - 'cos it's not set in the future where every "scientific exploration vehicle" (i.e. Enterprise) is armed to the teeth!
But at the fundamental level it is the same thing - with the majority of the people in Atlantis being SCIENTISTS!
And bear in mind I am talking about "SG:Atlantis", here, not the SG-1 series - as it was SG:Atlantis that your ideas were compared to.

And as for being 180 degrees from ST - I suggest you revisit your ideas. Voyager was just one long story of running from fight to fight.
Over half of DS9 was based around a WAR with people from the other side of the galaxy!
Star Trek (OS and TNG) both had their fair share of war-mongering / combat etc.
The only difference, as I said, is due to the time-period its set - as well as SG-1 and SG:Atlantis actually having an overriding arc to their episodes.

ds9 sucks.Riiight - so if someone points out a flaw in your argument your only retort is "it sucks"?
Please develop some debating skills!
:rolleyes:

in star trek the bad guys represent something. its not just a story of good versus evil, as often being presented as such. *cough*
WHAT???
"Bad guys" in Trek represent something?
Please tell me what!? And then how it differs from SG-1 / Atlantis - where there is FAR more to the "bad guys" than I think you actually understand.
Maybe you find the simplicity of Star Trek that much more appealing?

i should come to a thread i opened about star trek with objectivity? if i liked other shows as much as i like star trek, for my own reasons, i wouldnt have opened it in the first place. you read the headline? star trek, not star wars or stargate.Irrelevant - the thread is about what would people like to see in a new series / film etc based in the ST universe.
To point out that the ideas being suggested are too much like existing shows (e.g. SG-1 / Atlantis) is a perfectly legitimate position.

And liking other shows or not is irrelevant to the thread you started.
You put forward ideas - and now that those ideas are being objectively appraised your entire argument is "Well I like Star Trek!".
Whoop-di-doo!

If you just wanted to say how wonderful ST is compared to other shows, and how much you liked it, without any objective criticism of your comments, then don't bother putting threads like this on the board - just go and wallow in your own narrow perspective and stop wasting other peoples' time.

:rolleyes:

The legitimate point stands that your ideas are too much like those already done - whether it be "Earth 2", "Stargate / Atlantis" or others - and thus would not be particularly new or interesting to see in another ST series.

So you'll need to come back with more than just "The other series suck!" and actually bother to support your ideas.

instead of responding as if this is the political forum il do the following:
i dont like star trek ds9+voyeger+enterprise. they missed the point of the star trek idea, and sent it to rut in the past.

this thread is about star trek, if someone thinks star trek is no better then stargate, or any other show, fine with me, dont use it to ruin this thread.

ideas done before? its your opinion, i disagree. both are completely different shows. besides, according to southpark dr.chaos episode its ok, "because the simpsons did everything".

the idea of putting trek in a new galaxy is to give it some fresh blood, and to return the show to its original concept, of space exploration in the future by a more peaceful and advanced human society.

I don't think it'd be a ripoff of SGA any more than Stargate was a ripoff of Star Trek when it first came out. The only similarity is that they'd go to a new galaxy, beyond that it's not the same at all. It's only the initial idea to get the concept off the ground, what you do with it from there can be completely different than other shows. A new galaxy gives them a free hand creatively, which should let them attract new audiences with fresh ideas without having to worry about messing up the canon with some stupid retelling of stuff that's already happened.

And it's an idea that's new for Trek. We can see how the idealistic society of the future holds up in the face of disaster. How it rebuilds itself. Will it be the same as the original Federation? Will the circumstances necessitate some differences (like warships for example)? What races will they meet? What things will they find? Will they ever be able to contact the Federation again? The possibilities are endless, and if it ends up ripping off any other show repeatedly then you can chalk that up to lack of imagination on the writer's part.

(like warships for example)?

but on the original series the constitution class was considered to be a warship. so is the defiant, and the sovereign class.

The Sovereign maybe, though it struck me as just another Enterprise with some upgrades, ship of exploration with some new technologies added on. The Defiant was more of a quick little interceptor (even though it could take a beating). I'm thinking of a ship that says to the viewers "If this thing can't outgun a threat we're in serious trouble". The downside being there's only 1 of them with the group, and it can't be everywhere at once (at least for the first while of the show).

I think the closest ship to that was the Prometheus from that crapfest Voyager.

And this is in no way a rip-off of SG / SG-Atlantis, right?

It's an old and tired cliche of just pushing an idea that one step too far, IMO.

Star Trek, as a series, should be put to bed - for a long time.
As films there are some interesting places they could go - not least the collapse of the Federation.

ST:TNG suffered hugely due to the lack of any continuing arc through the episodes. DS9 was on the whole better because it DID HAVE such arcs - and Voyager... well, best left alone to drift in space, methinks, alongside Enterprise.
TNG was hugely popular, so thye couldn't have been doing to much wrong. I lost interest in DS9. I gave Voyager and Enterprise a try, but drifted away( with Enterprise, it was mainly becuase they were re-writing too much Trek history). (Though I admit, I did catch the two-parter at the end of Enterprise, the one that takes place in the "Mirror Mirror" universe, and found it entertaining.)

Any decent SF series now MUST HAVE an ongoing arc. It is expected and now more or less demanded.

That's your opinion, for myself, ongoing story arcs have their own problems: They can be too restricting; good stories sometimes have to be abandoned because they don't fit the arc. Story arcs can become boring, after a while you get tot he point where you think, "Let's resolve this already and move on"

And there are only so many "plots" you can have for a series of individual episodes - TNG rehashed most of the OS plots,
Really? Other than the obivious fact that "The Naked Now" was a rehash of "The Naked Time", What other TNG Plots were rehashes?
and subsequent Star Trek franchises rehashed TNG plots.

Also - series now-adays need to avoid things such as Character-Shields - where you just know that certain characters won't die because... well... they're the main characters. And that removes any fear or suspense an episode might build up.
I was pleased to see that a main character in SG-Atlantis copped it - as it does show they can still surprise people somewhat.

So no - no new Star Trek series please.
By all means introduce an entirely new series not set in the ST universe - but no more Star Trek series!

If there is enough interest in it, and it can get viewers, why not? Nothing says that you have to watch it. Of course, it may be, that for at least the present, ST has run its course.

I lost interest in DS9.
Thats a shame - I lost interest in it too. Several years later I got hold of all 7 seasons and watching them gradually from the beginning I started to realise that its probably the best series of the lot, especially after the second/third season. But because of the long story arcs, you really have to watch the episodes in order, unlike TNG where you could just jump in anytime.

Thats a shame - I lost interest in it too. Several years later I got hold of all 7 seasons and watching them gradually from the beginning I started to realise that its probably the best series of the lot, especially after the second/third season. But because of the long story arcs, you really have to watch the episodes in order, unlike TNG where you could just jump in anytime.

i saw most of ds9. besides some sporadic good episodes, its hardly star trek material though comparing it to today sci fi, imo, its way way better. i even have that game, ds9-harbinger, brings up memories. to sum it up, ds9 is a telenovela(Argentinian soap opera) in space and therefor->ds9 sucks.

DS9 does not suck, some people might think say it sucks but thats just there miss-informed opinion. Basically DS9 has plenty more going for it than any non-trek sci-fi series, and whilst is a different flavour to TNG or Voyager, doesn't suck.

DS9 does not suck

ds9 sucks. end of.

DS9 does not suck, some people might think say it sucks but thats just there miss-informed opinion.
I think people didnt like the "space-politics" part. It seems some people prefered a series where at the end of the episode, everything goes back to normal. But the best dialogue is found in DS9, and it had some of my favourite characters.

TNG was hugely popular, so thye couldn't have been doing to much wrong.Unfortunately the popularity was due to it being the only decent SciFi when it came out - and had the OS's popularity as support.
Then they threw money at it and yes, it was good, for its time.
Maybe it's 'cos I have now grown up and can see how trite and superficial it really was - especially the first 3 series - with no decent characterisation and fairly one-dimensional characters.

That's your opinion, for myself, ongoing story arcs have their own problems: They can be too restricting; good stories sometimes have to be abandoned because they don't fit the arc. Story arcs can become boring, after a while you get tot he point where you think, "Let's resolve this already and move on"Aye - it is MY opinion. But then please look at any critically successful SF in the past fifteen years:
- Babylon 5
- Farscape
- Firefly
- DS9 (seemingly the most critically approved of all SF series).
- BSG
All these have significant story-arcs that transcend the individual episodes.
Yes, the episodes can be about almost anything - but each will form part of a larger plot / story.
ST: OS and TNG never had that.
Voyager barely had it, nor did Enterprise.
Any SF series that does not have some fundamental story arc to continue it through will nearly always suffer as a result.
Please feel free to name a good, successful and critically acclaimed series that goes against this trend - I'm interested as to what you think does.

Furthermore - look at the successful non-SF series that have done well: Lost, and 24 spring to mind almos immediately - and guess what - BIG story-arc throughout the episodes. Even Angel and the latter series of Buffy, when it was at its peak, fit this model - of having a big story-arc flowing through the episodes.
And I'm not just talking people remembering what was said the week before - but that each episode inched forward a larger background plot.

Really? Other than the obivious fact that "The Naked Now" was a rehash of "The Naked Time", What other TNG Plots were rehashes?I'm not talking about direct rehashes of actual plot (same characters / places etc) - I'm talking the basic plot-lines: the "ooh - we've been caught in the web of a far superior alien and must use human ingenuity to escape" sort of thing.

If there is enough interest in it, and it can get viewers, why not? Nothing says that you have to watch it.Of course this is as it should be. But the problem is with these shows - and Enterprise was a reasonable example - the powers that be THINK that there is an audience and so will make and show the series - and then it tanks. They can only really see if it has an audience after the event.

Of course, it may be, that for at least the present, ST has run its course.Maybe not in films. I think there are plenty of avenues they could explore - not least the collapse of the Federation.

But I've heard the next film will be with the young "original crew" - Kirk, Spock et al (with Matt Damon said to be playing Kirk!).

ds9 sucks. I never seen it, but the name sucks already...so yeah...ds9 sucks.

ds9 sucks. I never seen it, but the name sucks already...so yeah...ds9 sucks.

:bravo: