"Star Trek Movie" ***Possible Spoilers***

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by superstring01, May 8, 2009.

  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    Okay... so I'm back from seeing the big movie. I'll refrain from divulging my full thoughts until a bit later.

    There were three pretty annoying plot devices that I did not like, but overall I thought that it was a great movie.

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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I never seen a Star Trek movie, although last night I watched the last 20 minutes of Nemesis. This new prequel actually looks good, good effects and younger dudes, I might even watch it....
     
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  5. Mickmeister Registered Senior Member

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    So my question about this movie is, why did the USS Relativity with Braxton, or Daniels come back to stop Nero? Why was it Spock?
     
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  7. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    This is where the later series "Jumped the Shark" in my opinion. Once you introduce a future Federation with timeships that patrol the timeline, then you have to ask yourself where they were when all those other time travel plots took place.
    Where were they when McCoy jumped through the Guardian of Forever?
    Where were they when the Enterprise jumped to the 1960's in two original series episodes?
    Why wasn't it them that went back and got the Humpback whales or stopped the Borg from interfering with first contact?
     
  8. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    You guys are having exactly the kind of "geeky" arguments Abrams specifically wanted to avoid.
     
  9. superstring01 Moderator

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    You're so pleasant!

    Look, there's no way "geeky" arguments were going to be avoided.

    Some interesting plot holes:
    • So we don't know whether it was Romulus's star or some neighboring star that was going nova/supernova, but here's a fact: no star just suddenly goes "supernova" it takes MILLIONS of years to get to that point. We can, with today's technology, detect when it's nearing the end of its life cycle. Are the Romulans--with 300+ years more advanced technology--incapable of detecting this and evacuating the planet?
    • Let me get this: Vulcan (the second most important planet in the UFP) doesn't have a starbase with ships ready to fight? They are just sitting ducks? They depend on Earth? And what's with the lousy communications? They aren't that far from Earth (obviously), why the cryptic message: "We're in trouble, Obi-Wan... you're our only hope!" IT's a goddamned planet with six billion SMART inhabitants. That's it? No long range sensors. The Narada OBVIOUSLY didn't cloak. They didn't see this gigantic ship coming!? Let's use the UN example: The USA and the Japan are both pretty important members. Japan has a pretty sizeable infrastructure--like Vulcan--why no Starfleet wessles? No orbital platforms? No interceptor drones? No various "other" ships? Don't give me this "The fleet was in the Ionian[?] sectar on maneuvers" shit. No nation sends its entire fleet away from home leaving itself totally unprotected.
    • So, Uhura translates a message that some gigantic Romulan ships just destroys FOURTY Klingon ships (and they aren't weaklings) and the UFP isn't even twitching? Nothing? I mean, they didn't see it coming? At all??!?!?! Ships just prancing about all over, no readiness?
    • Why didn't Enterprise just fire on the drilling platform in Vulcan's orbit when it left warp? It just sat there. Granted, they really didn't know what the Narada was doing, but SHIT, they could have just taken the precaution and destroyed the drilling mechanism. Why send people down? Lame.
    • Speaking of drilling platforms, did they really need to drop the red matter off in the core of the planet? It's a goddmaned black hole! They could have dumped the stuff off in the atmosphere and the gravity well would have been MORE than enough to suck the planet in.
    • The planet Delta Vega is within visual range of Vulcan? There are no Vulcans living there? It wasn't effected by a BLACK HOLE nearby? Really? Lame.
    • Why did Spock find it necessary to eject Kirk and NOT put him in a brig? Is that logical? HELL, is it ethical or even legal? It's a time of war. Shouldn't he just be tossed in the brig?
    • So, Kirk is marooned on this ice planet and he just HAPPENS to land close enough to run into Spock in some random cave? Honestly? We're supposed to buy that?
    • Speaking of Alpha Spock, don't you think that he would NOT have allowed himself to be taken captive with an OBVIOUSLY mega-super-dee-duper-destructive material? Wouldn't the logical thing be to have self destructed before allowing the red matter to fall into a crazed lunatic's hands? That's what the rule is for the US Navy concerning nuke-u-lar weapons. You think the Vulcan High Command would at least be smart enough to have some rule like, "This shit is REALLY powerful, we probably don't want it getting into the wrong hands..." They're supposed to be the intellectual guys within the UFP.
    • Ummm, did they forget to beam onboard the Narada as it passed Saturn? That was the plan, wasn't it? By the time they beamed onboard the Narada, it was already in Earth's orbit. So, why all the hubbub about "When the Narada passes Saturn we'll beam onboard... blah blah blah." Shit, from THAT distance they could have just jumped out of warp and no need to hide. Weapons would have taken a while to get to them.
    • Really? No guards around the Vulcan ship? Honestly? We're supposed to believe that? Garbage. These Romulans DESERVED to lose if they couldn't at least lock the door and set the alarm. Bweep-bweep. Even my car has one of those.

    I still maintain that I enjoyed the movie. But on an intellectual level it had some HUGE gaping holes, which holes, were not even required as plot devices to make the story work.

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  10. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I just saw this, ummm... they wanted to make the universe Rodenberry made into a new Star Trek, and of course they FAILED!!!
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    Well, on my part, I thought that the only good thing Roddenberry did was to create Trek. The rest of his manipulations were moronic. Utopia? NO crew conflicts? Lame.

    Roddenberry and Lucas should have just turned the who shebangs over to more capable people.

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  12. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    I believe the Star Trek universe is a cohesive universe that goes from 2063 up to the 29th century- we just don't have a movie that explains it all. You all know the Law of the Seven P's?
     
  13. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    You're nuts! This movie sucked badly and all the reviewers out there saying it's great will soon find out when the spin off series falls as fast as a hot air balloon that's popped! The reason you didn't like what Rodenberry did was because you can't understand or accept it. He was interested in science and our future in the stars not war and action!
     
  14. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Settle down there- I'll take a hacked Roddenberry story over an Abrams "I never saw all the Star Trek movies" hacked plot any day!

    Problem is that as good as the film may be, it's all set in an alternate universe and therefore is discontinutious.
     
  15. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    No, there is a way.

    Just don't have geeky arguments. The entire purpose of this Trek was to reboot it. I'm fine with that. Abrams said he didn't want all the baggage from the other stuff, and you can see why, when a couple of guys pop on this site and start rambling about something random from a book or comic -- or god knows that -- that nobody who isn't hardcore is familiar with. That's not the way back for this franchise.

    I agreed with all your plot points. Added a few of my own in the other thread. Basically, the movie was contrived from the word "go."
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    What the hell is up with the sidekick?

    I would go so far as to suggest that, well, it is a Star Trek film, after all. I figure gaping plot holes and extraneity are part of the franchise. Although I will echo my brother's sentiment about the sidekick. That one's worrisome.

    All told, the film was better than I expected. Curiously, though, when I stepped out to piss, I witnessed two guys walking out on the film. And their conversation was striking—they were utterly confused.
     
  17. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't enjoy that movie much.
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.
     
  18. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps because history showed those time travel events worked out of their own accord. The interference by the time police only happens in those cases we know nothing about, because (now) they never happened at all in this timeline.

    Or maybe the writers thought it would be less interesting...either way.
     
  19. superstring01 Moderator

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    One of the surest ways to make yourself look like an ass is to tell someone--who you don't know at all--that they don't "understand or accept..."

    Look, darksidzz, I TOTALLY understand and accept Trek. I can quote Trek like a good Muslim can the Koran. I just don't like Roddenberry's utopian nonsense.

    Well, duh. Since I read David Alexander's biography of him (wayyyyy back in the 90's), I'd venture to say that I know a bit more about what Roddenberry was thinking than most people. I won't be so presumptuous as you as to say that I know more than you. Who knows what you've read. Gene fought in WWII and hated war. He wanted peace and prosperity.

    So, don't tell me what I do and do not understand. It's not a matter of understanding or acceptance. It's a matter of him just being a poor story teller. Like Lucas, he created a great universe, but the fleshing out of that universe never worked well. His stories were always a bit on the lame side IMHO.

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  20. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    It is supposed to be a REBOOT:

    "As Wikipedia says, a reboot differs from a remake or a prequel, in that the latter two are generally consistent with the canon (previously established continuity) of the series; with a reboot, the older continuity is largely discarded and replaced with a new canon."
     
  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    Was there some doubt as to that fact?

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  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    shit all they need is to add Q and they'll be able to give doctor who a run for most screwed up timeline.
     
  23. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    It was a good movie, however die hard trekkies of the past may not enjoy the changes.
     

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