Well, its the 50th anniversary of Sputnik's launch. Where is it? :confused:

burned in atmosphere

Still in Russia. It was all faked.

Is it still orbiting the earth?
And what about Laika? Where is she? Did she rot or is she a mummy?

Is it still orbiting the earth?
And what about Laika? Where is she? Did she rot or is she a mummy?

Laika died in space from overheating cabin and stress. Her corpse along with cabin has burned in atmosphere.

Is it still orbiting the earth?
And what about Laika? Where is she? Did she rot or is she a mummy?

Sputnik 1 remained in orbit until January 4, 1958. It burned up as it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.
http://www.vibrationdata.com/Sputnik.htm

Laika died a few hours after launch from stress and overheating, probably due to a malfunction in the thermal control system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika

Sad stuff.. :(

Laika died a few hours after launch from stress and overheating, probably due to a malfunction in the thermal control system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika

yeah, but where is she now? And did she rot or get mummified?

yeah, but where is she now? And did she rot or get mummified?

Hang on ;)

yeah, but where is she now? And did she rot or get mummified?

when things burn up in atmosphere...it means the pressure is dissintegrated and everything inside is vaporized...laika is dust now

Yes, Draqon is right.
Laika was incinerated upon re-entry.

Yet in 1958, when I was a precocious five-year-old, already devouring newspapers the way other young readers devour picture books, I cried upon reading that Laika the Russian space dog would burn to death during reentry from orbit.
http://www.animalcrusaders.org/ex_focus.html

But what was she like before she burned up?? Was she a mummy or dust or sludge or frozen or...

and Sputnik 1 and Laika burned up the same year?

dragon is correct. Nickelodeon is lying.

But what was she like BEFORE she entered the atmosphere??

But what was she like BEFORE she entered the atmosphere??

Dead :shrug:

Probably decomposition set in. I think the satellite came down after 4 days ?

She was probably just frozen.

From Studio 360: "Sputnik, Fantasy TV, Sharon Jones (http://www.studio360.org/episodes/2007/10/05)" (October 5, 2007)

Segments include:

• Remembering Sputnik
• Get Your Kicks on Sputnik
• Bonus: video footage - 1957 newsreel on launch of Sputnik
• David Hoffman, "In Orbit Over Leavittown"
• John Haskell, "Laika's Dream"

The segment and performance from Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings, while off the subject, is also really good. Give it a listen.

She was probably just frozen.

Howcome Laika froze when it died from overheating ? Maybe I'm missing something though..

since she died from overheating, maybe she was decomposing when she entered the atmosphere???

Really, I recommend Haskell's "Laika's Dream (http://www.studio360.org/episodes/2007/10/05)". It talks a little bit about Laika's fate. And it's just a beautiful segment.

It's only ten minutes of your lives. And it's an enriching ten minutes at that.

Really, I recommend Haskell's "Laika's Dream (http://www.studio360.org/episodes/2007/10/05)".

It talks a little bit about Laika's fate.

And it's just a beautiful segment.



Why send a dog , monkey or any other living thing somewhere that you

know they will die. I don't see anything beautiful with that reasoning

whatsoever. Puting an animal into space where they know it will die

because they made no means of bringing the animal back alive. They didn't

even give the dog a chance with anything to live in space, no water, food

oxygen etc.. :mad:

...They didn't even give the dog a chance with anything to live in space, no water, food oxygen etc.. :mad:


???? why would they?? :confused:

???? why would they?? :confused:

The Americans put monkeys into orbit first but made certain that they

could SURVIVE in space with proper oxygen, and food supply for the

time they were going to be on orbit then return home. Why couldn't the

Russians have done the same with their dog?

The Americans put monkeys into orbit first but made certain that they

could SURVIVE in space with proper oxygen, and food supply for the

time they were going to be on orbit then return home. Why couldn't the

Russians have done the same with their dog?

Because they didn't know how to get her back. Heck, they didn't even know if she would survive going up there to begin with. They made the road, we followed and improved on it.

Because they didn't know how to get her back. Heck, they didn't even know if she would survive going up there to begin with. They made the road, we followed and improved on it.

They only rushed that program up to beat the Americans who took the time

to take care and consideration for their animals. I believe the Russians knew

how close America was in sending up the first satellite and didn't care if the

dog lived or died because they knew that in time they could keep the dog

alive but it would take to long to get that type of technology up and

running. They put it up only to beat the Americans not to insure the dogs

safety.

Why couldn't the Russians have done the same with their dog?

Laika's sacrifice helped us bring those monkeys and, eventually, astronauts home safely.

Laika was put in a hermetically sealed chamber with food and an air-conditioning plant, consisting of a regenerating outfit and a system of heat control, installed. Also installed were instruments to register the dog's pulse, respiration and blood pressure, apparatus to take electro-cardiograms, and sensitive elements to measure the temperature and pressure in the chamber.

The animal's chamber, like the container itself, was made of aluminium alloys, its surface polished and specially treated so as to absorb the right amount of solar radiation.

(Zarya.info (http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Sputnik/Sputnik2.php))

Laika only made it a day seven hours before the heat killed her. Perhaps she would have made it longer had the launch not damaged the craft's thermal insulation. All else considered, I can't be angry at the Soviets for this one.

On April 14, 1958, Sputnik 2 re-entered the planet's atmosphere, and Laika descended as a shooting star over the Caribbean Sea. She stands with the heroes of our human endeavor who strode the abyss between what we could only dream of, and what we could really do. She rests in fine company. She was a good dog.

All else considered, I can't be angry at the Soviets for this one.


Well you weren't Laika but if you were Laika you'd be wishing that the

Russians would have done a better job of engineering and taken a little more

time to insure Laika didn't have to die. I don't think that anything but

wanting to be first was the motive for sending the going up before they had

all the problems solved.

Well you weren't Laika but if you were Laika ....

This is one of the reasons I've neve joined an animal-rights group. She gave us a hell of a lot. She's gone. There's nothing we can do about it. For heaven's sake, it was 1957. (In the 1970s we finished the longest nontheraputic experiment on human test subjects in medical history, approximately forty years.) I cannot believe that for all the things Laika gave, the most important should be how evil the Soviets were.

She did her job. Her death would have been more comfortable if the flight had gone according to plan. But I'm not going to pass over what one super-cute little dog did for the whole of the human species just to drag her into a 21st century argument about animal rights or the evils of the Soviet Union.

I never said that the Russians were evil, I only pointed out that the

engineers weren't given enough time by those in charge of the government

at that time to fix any problems in the environmental areas of the craft.

That time could have saved the dogs life but as usual the leaders of Russia

wanted to blast off ASAP only to beat the Americans.

I remember Sputnik well. I had just started my sophomore year in high school (11th grade) as a science and math major. We were considered freaks. The jocks made fun of us, the pachucos threatened to kill us with knives, and the girls treated us like dirt.

Then in an instant America was in a space race with the Russians. Almost overnight the kids who were studying science and math "for their country" (damn if any of us were ever made to think about it that way until then!) became patriotic heroes! The jocks opened doors for us. The pachucos treated us like patrones. The girls... well there was a limit to their expressions of gratitude back in the 1950s, but at least we were able to easily get dates.

This lasted about twenty years, until the Religious Redneck Retard Revival kicked in, and it became fashionable to know absolutely no science at all. Fortunately by then I was a computer programmer with a good salary so I got dates anyway.

Yes indeed, I remember Sputnik very fondly.

well, I guess Laika was almost as good as she was when she went up (except for the dead part) I mean, how much decomposing happens in 7 hrs. Would he have been frozen?

If Sputnik (and all her generations) are gone, what is the oldest man made thing in orbit now? And why do we feminize the satallites?

Would he have been frozen?

Laika did not freeze. The damage to the thermal insulation raised the cabin temperature to over 100º F.

If Sputnik (and all her generations) are gone, what is the oldest man made thing in orbit now? And why do we feminize the satallites?

According to the U.S. Navy:

Vanguard I was America’s second successful attempt to place an artificial satellite in
earth orbit. The technical program of Project Vanguard was assigned to the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) by President Dwight D. Eisenhower on September 9, 1955. NRL’s many responsibilities in the program included the development of the Vanguard I satellite and the Vanguard three stage launch vehicle, coordinating the launch, and establishing the first satellite tracking facility to conduct the radio tracking of the satellite. The satellite was successfully launched on March 17, 1958.

The satellite measured 6.4 inches in diameter and weighed 3 pounds. This tiny sphere, also known as the “grapefruit satellite” provided scientists with a wealth of information on air density, temperature ranges, and micrometeorite impacts. Data from Vanguard I first illustrated that the earth is slightly “pear-shaped”. Although the satellite’s solar cellpowered voice became silent in 1964, Vanguard I continues to serve the scientific community. Periodic tracking of Vanguard is providing important information on the effects of the sun, moon and atmosphere on satellite orbits. Vanguard I is expected to remain in orbit for nearly 2000 years.

(Naval Research Laboratory (.PDF) (http://www.nrl.navy.mil/techtransfer/Exhibits/pdfs/Info%20Sheet%20pdfs/Space%20Info%20Sheets/Vanguard.pdf))

And why do we feminize the satallites?

Probably the same reason we feminize boats. And that seems a long story.

They should have put a human in there. Someone who was willing to give their life for science or something, or someone already on deathrow.
The only reason they use animals for these kind of things is because they can. Animals don't fight back, hell.. they don't even know what about to happen to them. The arrogance is unbelievable.

....The only reason they use animals for these kind of things is because they can. Animals don't fight back, hell.. they don't even know what about to happen to them. The arrogance is unbelievable.

??? I bet they told Laika and she just wagged her tail at them.
IT WAS A DOG! Some cultures would have eaten her.

And some cultures would respect animals more and try to help them as best

they can. It seems that certain animals were bread for human

companionship thereby rendering their"animal instincts" useless. When

humans use those animals for other purposes other than what they were

bread for is when humans are no longer humans but revert to a lower order

of evolutionary thinking.

she wasn't some poor kids pet, she was a lab animal. If they had sent a person, that person would have died due to the damage the spacecraft received. Animals do not have more value than a human being. Its why we eat them.

she wasn't some poor kids pet, she was a lab animal. If they had sent a person, that person would have died due to the damage the spacecraft received. Animals do not have more value than a human being. Its why we eat them.


Humans have a choice to go or stay. Volunteers are easily found in the

human community why not just ask for one and send them instead of an

animal, at least the human knows what's going on and makes a decision

wherein the animals have none.

Do we ask an animals if its ok if we eat them?

Do we ask an animals if its ok if we eat them?

That is different and you know it. We are talking about the dog being sent

into space for research and now you throw this curve in.

Its no different to me. Its a dog! I don't humanize animals.

Its no different to me. Its a dog! I don't humanize animals.

So you would go out and pick up an animal from the humane society and kill

it because it is fun to kill things?

So you would go out and pick up an animal from the humane society and kill

it because it is fun to kill things?

Fun to kill? I don't think anyone got a bit of enjoyment out of Laika dying. It was a necessary evil because they didn't know how to get her back. Even if they knew how to get her back, the spacecraft was damaged, which is why she overheated and died.
And is that animal at the humane society is a squirrel....maybe :p

Fun to kill? I don't think anyone got a bit of enjoyment out of Laika dying. It was a necessary evil because they didn't know how to get her back. Even if they knew how to get her back, the spacecraft was damaged, which is why she overheated and died.
And is that animal at the humane society is a squirrel....maybe :p

That's why I said if the engineers were given more time they could have

made a better capsule for the dog to live in and come back to earth in. But

the engineers weren't allowed that time because of the leaders desires to

be first in sending up something, whether it lived or died.

she wasn't some poor kids pet, she was a lab animal.

And ? She was still an animal.


If they had sent a person, that person would have died due to the damage the spacecraft received.

Agreed, and so what ? To whoms benefit was that launch again ? I know it wasn't for the dogs...


Animals do not have more value than a human being. Its why we eat them.

Humans do not have more value than animals either.

Do we ask an animals if its ok if we eat them?

Thats a totally different point Orleander.
The nature of things is that animals eat each other, plain and simple.
Humans are unique in that they have outgrown the food chain, but we still have to eat no ?

And by the way, do animals ask us before they eat us ?
Before you think: Do animals put humans into satellites ?

Its no different to me. Its a dog! I don't humanize animals.

Yes, it's a dog; not a human.
So dogs are inferior to humans ?
Are they a lower form of life ?
Is it therefor ok to disrespect their lives ?

Fun to kill? I don't think anyone got a bit of enjoyment out of Laika dying. It was a necessary evil because they didn't know how to get her back. Even if they knew how to get her back, the spacecraft was damaged, which is why she overheated and died.
And is that animal at the humane society is a squirrel....maybe

So now it is evil ? Sadly it was not necessary, it's just that humans rather kill an animal than one of their own. Which is totally indefensible in these kind of matters.
Do you think it's ok what they do to those rabbits they test shampoos, insecticides and whatnot on, after all they are just animals right ?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g137/alanbuttle/vivisection-cat.jpg

http://www.avwa.com.au/rabbit1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b247/brasscatt/cat_in_restraint.jpg

Want more ?

Damn, Orleander I'm dissapointed..

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/125508

A cat with a microchip in its brain?? My Mom has an implant in her brain. Maybe its thanks to that cat that my Mom can now hear. Thanks to Laika we found out humans can survive in space. With her help we entered a whole new era in travel.

There are sensationalist pics like that of abortions as well. That is also a necessary evil. I don't know what they were doing to those animals, nor how old the pics are. They have nothing to do with Laika.
And yes, dogs are a lower life form. That doesn't mean they should be tortured. BUT I have no problem with animals being used for experimentation. ETHICAL experimentation. And what happened to Laika was ethical.

We're just not gonna agree on this. I have no problem with it and you do.

Primarily the only thing I do not like about animal experimentation is the fact that the animals cannot understand or consent. However, in the absence of other choices, sometimes it is a necessary evil, the only way to move forward, even if not foolproof. No one I know refuses a medical procedure or treatment knowing it is derived from animal experimentation.

That said, I will be very glad when we have alternatives.

However, I have no doubt that once we do, animal numbers will diminish, since most of us only care about animals in direct relation to their appeal or usefulness to us or the environment.

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http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/125508

Ah man that is Sad stuff :(

However, I have no doubt that once we do, animal numbers will diminish, since most of us only care about animals in direct relation to their appeal or usefulness to us or the environment.

And that's precisely the problem.

S.A.M. and Orleander, both of you have said the animal experimenting is a 'necessary evil'.
Do we then at least agree on that it is 'evil' ?

Nobody does it as a hobby, though I will say there is a lot of waste. :(

S.A.M. and Orleander, both of you have said the animal experimenting is a 'necessary evil'.
Do we then at least agree on that it is 'evil' ?

Because animal experimentation is a sad thing. In a better world we wouldn't need it. But I like having a polio free world. I like having a Mom who hears. Hopefully some day we will have a world without AIDS. I don't think that's gonna happen without animal experimentation.

We wouldn't be where we are in space exploration if people hadn't sent animals into space first.

Wouldn't it be worth to spend some extra bucks in order to do the experiment without using animals ?
And if one has to experiment for the benefit of humans, why aren't humans the ones experimented on ?
Of course it's not practical, few people would volunteer. But animals don't volunteer either and people have no problem with that..

Because animal experimentation is a sad thing. In a better world we wouldn't need it. But I like having a polio free world. I like having a Mom who hears. Hopefully some day we will have a world without AIDS. I don't think that's gonna happen without animal experimentation.

A lot of research that involves experimenting on animals can actually be done without the experiment nowadays. It's mostly a money issue that animals are still experimented on. Not in all cases of course, but a lot.


We wouldn't be where we are in space exploration if people hadn't sent animals into space first.
Getting there a few years later wouldn't have hurt, would it ?

Enmos, we aren't going to agree on this. I have no problem with animals being used in this way. I do have problems with them being tortured, but this is not what happened with Laika.

And where I live, there are lots and lots of people who make extra money volunteering for clinical trials. But only after animals go through it first.

A lot of research that involves experimenting on animals can actually be done without the experiment nowadays. It's mostly a money issue that animals are still experimented on. Not in all cases of course, but a lot....

Yeah, NOW, not in the late '50s when Laike went up.
And lots of tests usually done on animals aren't anymore. is it the fact that she was a dog that bothers you or do you have a problem with lab rats as well?

Enmos, we aren't going to agree on this. I have no problem with animals being used in this way. I do have problems with them being tortured, but this is not what happened with Laika.

And where I live, there are lots and lots of people who make extra money volunteering for clinical trials. But only after animals go through it first.

Laika died of overheating, that's torture..
In fact, the launch itself can be seen as torture..

Laika died of overheating, that's torture..
In fact, the launch itself can be seen as torture..

OK.

Yeah, NOW, not in the late '50s when Laike went up.
And lots of tests usually done on animals aren't anymore. is it the fact that she was a dog that bothers you or do you have a problem with lab rats as well?

All animals.

Ok.

What if, for example, your kid's friends wanted to know what it's like when you take XTC.
But they think it might be dangerous to take it.
So they force your kid to take to XTC first to see if anything goes wrong.
If your kid turns out to be fine, they will take the XTC as well.
If your kid dies or needs to be rushed to the hospital, they know it's dangerous and don't take it. Or maybe they will test some other drug..

There is not real difference between my example and animal experiments, other than the fact that my example involves testing on a human.

humans vs animal experimentation? There is a huge difference.

humans vs animal experimentation? There is a huge difference.

Why ?
Why is it ok to do something to an animal that you don't want done to humans ?
What is so different about animals ?

Three things:

(1) It was 1957
(2) Get used to it
(3) Get over it

What slays me is how disrespectful these animal-rights people are. They so rabidly pursue their cause that Laika is just a tool to them. They have no idea how much that dog is loved, and they don't care. It's over. It happened. Attitudes and understandings today are different than they were then.

She's the first f@ckin' cosmonaut. The first. I do not accept that what she gave us is worth nothing more than a picket slogan for the PETA crowd. I read an argument the other day about how we should absolve Columbus because he lived in an earlier age. Yeah, we know the Cold War was a deluded era, as well. Yes, we know it was screwed up. But there is apparently nothing sacred we might carry away from that tragedy. Instead, we have to exploit every last detail for cheap radicalism. In other words, make it all for naught and learn nothing.

Accept it. If the only course is to hate the scientists, fine. Some of us love the dog and what her sacrifice represents. Man's best friend, indeed. She led the way into unknown realms, and simply because we asked. Her story is worth more to us than a chance to puff our chests over an an obsolete moral accusation.

She was the one.

S.A.M. and Orleander, both of you have said the animal experimenting is a 'necessary evil'.
Do we then at least agree on that it is 'evil' ?


The evil is that humans believe they can change nature.

Forget all the technology... all the excuses.

What's at stake here is belief itself.

The evil is that humans believe they can change nature.

Forget all the technology... all the excuses.

What's at stake here is belief itself.

Humans can alter nature for a time but eventually nature will regain the

upper hand. It is how that humans alter nature that is important for some

ways nature can handle but other ways it cannot. Humans can cut down

trees to build a home but must replant trees to insure there are enough for

firewood and repairs.

From what I can see the dog in question was a 'Stray' and in most cases strays if not found a home are 'put to sleep'. I'm not sure if that was the same in Russia back then, however it makes sense that a captured stray would be 'chosen' for a science project over someone's pet. The dog in theory had a Chance, albeit a very slim one to survive where as being a stray would of resulted in it's death anyway.

On a slightly off-topic subject, the number of squished pet dogs that were allowed to roam onto the road in GA while I was visiting there was unbelievable, I think it must be the highlight of a truck drivers night to aim for the pooches as they wait for their owners return from work/going out.

On a slightly off-topic subject, the number of squished pet dogs that were allowed to roam onto the road in GA while I was visiting there was unbelievable, I think it must be the highlight of a truck drivers night to aim for the pooches as they wait for their owners return from work/going out.

Where in Georgia was that. I visit my friends that live there every year and

have never seen that happen. True, there are strays once in awhile but the

truck drivers I see try to avoid hitting them.

Near a place called Warrenton a little way up the road from Thompson.

Because they didn't know how to get her back. Heck, they didn't even know if she would survive going up there to begin with. They made the road, we followed and improved on it.

Wrong-oh, the U.S. used none of the soviet technology, we didn't have access to it, we developed a system all on our own, with the proper safe guards, and equipment to bring back the animals and humans, there was no sharing of technology back in those days.

Wrong-oh, the U.S. used none of the soviet technology, we didn't have access to it, we developed a system all on our own, with the proper safe guards, and equipment to bring back the animals and humans, there was no sharing of technology back in those days.

We wouldn't be were we are in the space race without them. They gave us the kick in the pants we needed. And if you thinking we didn't spy on them and learn from their mistakes....well, I'm gonna say your wrong-o.

Is that why the space race slowed down after the cold war?

Is that why the space race slowed down after the cold war?
no siddiqi , the cold war never ended it just cooled down so that we could focus on kicking the pants off fundamentalist moslem scum like you!!!...I meant that in the most nicest way of course:D

We wouldn't be were we are in the space race without them. They gave us the kick in the pants we needed. And if you thinking we didn't spy on them and learn from their mistakes....well, I'm gonna say your wrong-o.

Actually if President Eisenhower had got his way we would not have been in the space race at all, as President he placed a limit on the lift capability of our rockets, which required the development of new technology, called the transistor to get the weight of the systems down to the lift capability of our rocket so we could eventually put a man in space, the Soviet technology at that time was still based on vacuum tube systems.0

If anything we were in a race with our selves.