I saw some people speak in tongue today. Is it real or superstition? Personally I think they are completely insane.

I saw some people speak in tongue today. Is it real or superstition? Personally I think they are completely insane.

I really don't think you can classify, at all, speaking in tongues, as superstition... I've wondered the same thing myself, tho, and had I not had an experience where the Holy Spirit came upon me and I simply could not stop talking in tongues, I'd still be wondering.

My parents are fanatical christians, and they had some people over to our house to pray for us. When I wandered downstairs to get a drink, they were both speaking in tongues, and it totally freaked me out. I think they were nuts myself.

Total superstition in my book.

altec: My parents are fanatical christians, and they had some people over to our house to pray for us. When I wandered downstairs to get a drink, they were both speaking in tongues, and it totally freaked me out. I think they were nuts myself.

Total superstition in my book.
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M*W: I call it psycho-religious possession.

Doesn't it depend on if the language is real? Ever hear Bob Tilton speak in tongues?

Check it out:

• Speaking in Tongues (http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~ply9686/xtianfun/tilton/tilton.wav)
• Anointing (http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~ply9686/xtianfun/tilton/fart293.wav)

(Thanks to The Blasphemy Network (http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~ply9686/xtianfun/tilton/tilton.html) for the above. Get it while you can. It's a Kansas State University page, and the guy's gotta graduate someday.)

Hmm, there are some people who speak in tongues because emotion, combined with the expectation to. Of course, although I believe there might be a time and place to go on and babble, tv isn't it.

A long time ago, I've also had an occurrence similar but it was private and not audible. Like something spoke in a different language within me and I was somehow able to respond also. It wasn't like my mind comprehended what was said; but that my responce was a heart felt reaction to what was said.

Speaking in tongues is nothing more than giberish!!. a person performing this act is either "faking it" or is undergoing such stress that he's becoming schizophrenic. The psychiatric word for speaing in tongues is "glossolalia".

http://skepdic.com/glossol.html

Godless.

"In Greece, even the priest of Apollo, god of light, engaged in prophetic babbling. The ancient Israelites did it. So did the Jansenists, the Quakers, the Methodists, and the Shakers. " -- from the link.

who are shakers?

Maybe they were some fanatics, who did a whole lot of "shaking"? :D

Or if you want to know of the new "shakers" movement go here (http://www.hancockshakervillage.org/old/shakers.html)

Godless.

Godless: The psychiatric word for speaing in tongues is "glossolalia".

http://skepdic.com/glossol.html
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M*W: You're right. It's observed in paranoid schizophrenics and precedes the state of catatonia.

How could this be a health experience?

I saw this when i was a kid. A friend took me to his assembly of god church and many in the church towards the end were doing it. It freaked me out.

I wasn't freaked because it is scary or the shaking or all that. I was disturbed in that I thought it looked like total bullshit, yet everyone bought into it in that church. It was obviously a sham brought upon by group think and societal pressure. Ridiculus.

sounds like the hawthorne effect. Nathaniel Hawthorne was a sociologist whom ran an experieiment where he had 4 groups.

He told the groups that he was going to brighten the lights in one section of a warehouse because it would improve productivity of the workers if he did.

He had 4 groups

1) was in a section where the light was brightened and told that it was
2) was in a section where the light was brightened and told it was not
3) was in a section where the light was not brightened and told that it was
4) was in a section where the light was not brightened and told it was not.

Two groups over the course of the experiement improved productivity. Those two groups were 1 & 3, the ones who were told the room was brightened. Group two whom had better lighting but was told they did not did not improve.

That is an extremely abbreviated version of it but here are some links with more detail.

http://www.psy.gla.ac.uk/~steve/hawth.html

http://www.accel-team.com/motivation/hawthorne_01.html

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ASC/HAWTHO_EFFEC.html

Two groups over the course of the experiement improved productivity. Those two groups were 1 & 3, the ones who were told the room was brightened. Group two whom had better lighting but was told they did not did not improve.

Ok!! great. what the hell does this have to do with speaking in tongues? can you relate?. :confused:

Godless.

It relates the power of suggestion on a group of ppl....

Ok!! great. what the hell does this have to do with speaking in tongues? can you relate?. :confused:

Godless.


yea sure. I am contending that possibly ( I say possibly because I have never been to a tounges sermon), that the chuches these guys are going to are in fact a living experiement of the Hawthorne Effect. The Hawthorne Effect suggests in a nutshell that indivduals will make decisions that are congurent to the groups (he had a lot of experiements actually--really neat guy) in favor to rational ones.

I am suggesting that the people really feel like they are speaking in tounges (instead of faking it because-hey it is fake), because they are being told by someone they hold as important and reinforced by the others in the group that they are. If this is correct (and I will have to go on faith that it is or is not based on assesments of others on this forum) than the Hawthorne Effect would say that in their own personal reality that they are speaking in tounges but as far as linguistical understanding of language they are not speaking anything.

The Hawthorne Effect (to give you an idea of the magintude of its impact on sociology) has been theoried as justification for the jewish concentration camps in ww2

Analysis of mob and riot behavior like the denver riot after their last win at the superbowl and such.

I am suggesting that the people really feel like they are speaking in tounges (instead of faking it because-hey it is fake), because they are being told by someone they hold as important and reinforced by the others in the group that they are.

You know!? this may be true, in some effect. People want their congregations to grow, so if the ominous deception is planted in some mindless total fundie with a strong zeal in religious devotion the trap is set. the guy/gal start speaking in tongues it's advertised via "word of mouth" by other patrons, and the congression grows, as well as the pocket of the priest.

BTW I've not always been an athiest, I've experienced first hand people "speaking in tongues" in the church I was in, the guy was kind of nerdie, and he didn't seem all there. If you catch my drift?. :cool:

Godless.

im a bit confused as far as i know, speaking in tongue is speaking stupid words but what has it got to do with Christianty?

im a bit confused as far as i know, speaking in tongue is speaking stupid words but what has it got to do with Christianty?

Take your pick on christianity there are many forms and variations, babtists, "christians" catholics, etc.. they are all based on christianity.

Speaking in tongues accurs in some christian churches around the country, it seems like every church has a "nut" either faking it, gullible enough for auto suggestion, or its undergoing through such stress, which makes the person mildly "schizophrenic" thus begins to hear voices in his head, speaking in tongues, etc..

Godless.

im a bit confused as far as i know, speaking in tongue is speaking stupid words but what has it got to do with Christianty?

People speak in tongue in

Pentecostal
Assembly of God
Church of God

They believe only those who can speak in tongue are real Christians.

You should go to one of those churches and see people rolling around on stages. It's hilarious.

hey Joeman

You know...I guess Joeman is right. I dunno

People speak in tongue in

Pentecostal
Assembly of God
Church of God

They believe only those who can speak in tongue are real Christians.



But it is such an easy thing to fake. One simply has to grunt and blather.

It reminds me of New Age Channelling. I once attended a Seminar on Channelling. It was a full Week End Seminar. Now they could not simply take all kinds of money from People only to tell them that they only needed to make things up in their head and that could reasonably pass for Channelling since who could be expected to know the difference. But given 48 hours of instruction, by a roundabout circuitous route with plenty of misdirection and euphemism, the essential teaching was "Make it up and nobody will know the difference".

Go to your Pentacostal or Church of God and listen to the induction briefing. You will be told to let the Spirit of God fill you and just "let it go". Essentially it is the old "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" instruction. New comers are to look around and see what is acceptable behavior and to mimic it.

Studies have been done. In each Region of the Country and denomination the "Speaking in Tongues" has discernable 'dialects' -- more 'grunts' in the South; more rounded vowel sounds in the North; more hard consonants in the West. The congregations tend to copy the dominant Toungsters, and Regional Styles are developed. Does this not prove that it is all a big fake.

You would think that people would have more dignity than to participate in such overt silliness. It is Satan making a joke of Christianity and laughing at it.

tanks for the replies guys but isnt tongue just speaking nonsense and random sounds which anyone can do so what is it to do with the Church

im a bit confused as far as i know, speaking in tongue is speaking stupid words but what has it got to do with Christianty? :

:bugeye: [Mr. Preacher_X, as a preacher you should have a bible right! please kindly open it up and refer .....Acts 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enable them.. & Acts 19:1-6 please refer....TQ & GBU
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tanks for the replies guys but isnt tongue just speaking nonsense and random sounds which anyone can do so what is it to do with the Church



:D Mr. Preacher_X, Refering to Bible again ...1Cor14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirits....The Church obviously a place for us to worship & praise GOD or to communicate with God. :p

Hey! a theist, and not a very bright one at that.

Just kidding! NOT.

Anyhow the thread is about a year old, you must be bored. But you should have read it through, before puting your cent worth.

Speaking in tongues is nothing more than the mind go waco. A few steps from the nut house before the individual gets full blown schizophrenia.

Anyhow the psychological term for speaking in tongues is glossolalia. You can learn a bit of what you preach here. Glossolalia is fabricated, meaningless speech (http://skepdic.com/glossol.html)

Godless

I seriously think you need help, it looks like you're schizophrenic. Are you having some personal problems and need prayer? Your name says it all 'Godless' in my own translation ' lifeless' / aimless / lost ??? :confused:

People speak in tongue in

Pentecostal
Assembly of God
Church of God

They believe only those who can speak in tongue are real Christians.

You should go to one of those churches and see people rolling around on stages. It's hilarious.


I seriously think you need help too. Actually are you lack of attention? Or Love? Knowledge? Or are you looking for an answer? What made you say such things? Have you ever experienced the presence of God? I respect your freedom to talk but i certainly cannot accept that blasphemy! I think you need to experience it for yourself. Have you heard of the Toronto blessing? Now, thats hilarious! ;)

a friend, AB Jadon:any believe in a god, is hilarious, and talking in tongues is just icing on the cake.