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Jaxom
12-30-02, 09:21 PM
I was surprised in doing a search that the last real discussion of the space elevator was way back in 1999:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204

I bring that thread up because on it Boris asked some good questions and concerns about the space elevator that no one could really answer at that time. Well, finally someone now has the beginnings of those answers. Here's their FAQ page, which at least addresses some of Boris' questions:

http://www.highliftsystems.com/faq.html

I really hope they pull this off. If it works, it's a hell of a investment/profit ratio, compared to current launch costs.

Recent analysis also finds that the first space elevator could be built for $7 to $10 billion total, including launch costs, and a second elevator would cost a small fraction of the first. The first elevators could be financially self-supporting (including recovering the initial construction costs and the cost of borrowing this money) within the first 10 years of operation on the commercial satellite market. The recurring costs are: 1) climbers, 2) power beaming system operation, 3) low-Earth object tracking system operation, and 4) anchor operations. For the initial space elevator these recurring costs combined with repaying the initial capital investment would give us total launch costs of $100/kg ($45/lb or 1/10 to 1/100 of conventional systems).

Perhaps this for more fragile cargo combined with a high g mass driver for heavy materials could break us out into space.

wet1
12-30-02, 10:09 PM
You may have missed these...

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10180

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10397

Jaxom
12-30-02, 10:36 PM
The search function certainly did...oh well.

I'm just glad to see that someone is researching it with the intention to try and build it, and that they have looked into some of the big concerns about it (weather, lightning, orbital debris).

Even if they never get past the first thread, imagine looking up it, and see it disappear into the sky...almost as wild as seeing a Ringworld arch over the sky.

Clockwood
12-30-02, 10:49 PM
As the elevator snaps sending half flying out of the solar system with an orbital colony attatchad never to be seen abain while the rest collides with the earth causing an Extinction Level Event.

Success_Machine
12-31-02, 02:27 AM
I was trying to come up with something to improve my Starship Generations (http://geocities.com/womplex_oo1/StarshipGenerations.html) website, when I thought of doing a Google search for unpiloted supersonic drones: Such a drone would be needed for the Skyhook Launch System that I've envisioned (topic #9, Starship Generations (http://geocities.com/womplex_oo1/StarshipGenerations.html)), which is a more dynamic version of a space elevator. It would provide a powered supersonic descent for the 4000-km long tether through the atmosphere to prevent tether buckling, and subsonic maneuverability for an airborne rendezvous at 10-km altitude, with a Boeing 747-400 Freighter Aircraft carrying the 50-tonne payload on its back.

What I found was pretty cool...

Introducing the declassified Lockheed D21 supersonic spy drone. It is capable of sustained flight at Mach 4 at an altitude of 27 km. This is highly desirable after a Skyhook rendezvous, when during the ascent into space the nose-first airspeeds for the Grappling Pod drone and payload can reach Mach 1 at around 15-km altitude, Mach 2 at around 27-km altitude, Mach 3 at around 50-km altitude, and Mach 4 at around 85-km altitude. It would continue accelerating but the air becomes so thin above 100-km altitude that it probably wouldn't make any difference how much faster it went.

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/an11a.jpg

source (http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/d21~1.htm)