It sucks. BIG! :( My neighborhood was evacuated. Many friends/family are in trouble.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fire23oct23,0,5337099.story?coll=la-home-center

I apologize if there's already a thread on this. I searched and didn't see one.

the night pics, with everything aflame and glowing is what I always thought hell looked like.
I saw the satallite pics and it amazing how much smoke there is.

I heard 200k acres? had burned down

Yep, that's what it looks like. :( Thank God my property is ok. I'm not there right now so I only know what people tell me. Firemen do suspect arson in some of the fires further south. The one in Malibu may have started from a downed power line. These fires are common but never this bad. The Santa Ana's are gusting like crazy! :eek:

It's worse than you can possibly imagine.

I heard 200k acres? had burned down

I think it's more like 300,000, SAM. And it's not over. It's awful. :(

Where are the people going?

To friends, family, etc. There are lots of shelters, stadiums, hotels, etc. People are amazing. Strangers are even opening their homes.:)

When you voluntarily live in a hot, dry, forest-fire, land/mudslide and earthquake prone zone, what do you expect?

Sandy,
We don't care if your house burned down. Did they have to evacuate your ex husband Billy Joel too?
How are those infomercials with Chuck Norris coming along?

...Sandy, We don't care if your house burned down....

that's just mean.

Yep, that's what it looks like. :( Thank God my property is ok. I'm not there right now so I only know what people tell me. Firemen do suspect arson in some of the fires further south. The one in Malibu may have started from a downed power line. These fires are common but never this bad. The Santa Ana's are gusting like crazy! :eek:

It's worse than you can possibly imagine.

It missed your house?? This is irrefutable proof, there is no God.

that's just mean.
It would be if it was towards anyone else, and if I actually believed she/he (whatever the hell it is) lived in that area.

Sandy,why do you live in an area that is prone to fires, winds and earthquakes? I'd think if you were smart you would want to live in a place not so condusive to these destructive forces of nature. It seems that when you knowingly move into areas like this you are just waiting for a major catastrophy to happen. Good luck and I do hope you move soon.

Sandy,why do you live in an area that is prone to fires, winds and earthquakes? I'd think if you were smart you would want to live in a place not so condusive to these destructive forces of nature. It seems that when you knowingly move into areas like this you are just waiting for a major catastrophy to happen. Good luck and I do hope you move soon.
Why wouldn't she CT? She's rich, she's smart, and she looks just like celebrity.

You all already knew one of my places was in paradise on the ocean. My faith protects my stuff. I just feel bad for everyone else.

You all already knew one of my places was in paradise on the ocean. My faith protects my stuff. I just feel bad for everyone else.

But if your God gave you such great intellect then why wouldn't you use it to live by the water that doesn't have all of the problems located there? Does that mean you knowingly want to die and lose all of your posessions? I think that's not what your God intended do you?

Maybe its gods way of reminding people what's important.

Because maybe god will give her the power of devastation over Mexican immigrants. You know she just farts in their general direction and it's all over, the divine wind of HIM.

I don't have any of the problems most other people have. I don't care about possessions. I care about God, getting people to church/saved, and keeping terrorists/criminal aliens out.:)

What started the fires? Heat?

Mexicans of course!

You all already knew one of my places was in paradise on the ocean.
No we didn't. Because we neither pay attention to nor take your posts seriously to believe or even read most of what you say. But thanks for clearing that up for us. :D

I don't care about possessions.
Yet you make a pretty big stink about having a house in 'paradise on the ocean'. Houses in SoCal aren't cheap, especially ones in the SD area on or near the ocean.

For the love of god, does anyone have any 'Sockpuppet Be Gone' spray?

A downed power line in Malibu. Arson for some of the others. Santa Ana wind gusts are keeping them going. :(

No we didn't. Because we neither pay attention to nor take your posts seriously to believe or even read most of what you say. But thanks for clearing that up for us. :D


Yet you make a pretty big stink about having a house in 'paradise on the ocean'. Houses in SoCal aren't cheap, especially ones in the SD area on or near the ocean.

For the love of god, does anyone have any 'Sockpuppet Be Gone' spray?

I don't make a stink about anything except God, terrorists, illegal immigration, crime, and liberals. Everything else, not so much. ;)

No sockpuppet here. Just the real thing, baby. :D

What started the fires? Heat?

Liberals!

Mexican Liberals!

Anyone watch CNN this morning? That poor reporter stood in his yard and reported on his own house burning to the gound in the background. I would have been in tears, but he mostly held it together.

I would bet $100k that the arsonist(s) are liberal. Most criminals list "Democrat" as their political party.

And most Republicans list "crime" as their hobby.

I bet most baby-killers are liberals too.

I bet most baby-killers are liberals too.

well, most liberals are pro-choice.

well, most liberals are pro-choice.
Exactly. Most of them are drug addicts too. Damn hippies.

Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees;

http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/ern/04jan/overview.php

By the 1970s the wisdom of this policy was being questioned. Rather than an unmitigated evil to be destroyed as soon as possible, the ecological community was coming to view fire as part of a natural cycle, cleansing and refurbishing America's forests. Fire may destroy unwanted infestations, restore habitats, and provide conditions for new vegetation to thrive. The major method for prompting these conditions has been prescribed fires, defined in the CRS Report Forest Ecosystem Health: An Overview (February 2001) as "using fire under prescribed weather and fuel conditions to reduce fuel loads."

Prescribed fires remained the singular means of controlling fuel load growth until at least 1988, when an out-of-control prescribed fire contributed to a larger chain of wildfires in Yellowstone National Park. Prescribed fires were then temporarily banned, as environmental managers searched for a comprehensive strategy to balance the positive effects of fires with immediate safety concerns. Nevertheless, the fuel load, and the danger it brings, appears to have been rising steadily ever since, with the number of bad fire seasons increasing in the 1990s.


Fuel load is widely considered to be the major factor increasing the danger of wildfires. Forest Ecosystem Health explains how accumulated biomass--"dead and dying trees, dense undergrowth, and stands of small trees" is a major culprit for the recent increase in wildfires. Interestingly, however, according to the CRS Report Wildfire Protection in the 108th Congress (September 2003) there is no definitive proof of the dangers of fuel load: the evidence is largely anecdotal and based upon surmises from experts.

Still the acreage of dead and dying wood and vegetation is increasing in scope and density. While native biodiversity is decreasing, such imported invasive species as fungi and beetles are adding to the threat. In California, for instance, Pitch Canker Fungus and Oak Mortality Syndrome have been killing numerous trees, likely laying the flammable groundwork for the recent fires. Insect infestations make it easier for fungi to infect already-penetrated trees.

Still the acreage of dead and dying wood and vegetation is increasing in scope and density. While native biodiversity is decreasing, such imported invasive species as fungi and beetles are adding to the threat. In California, for instance, Pitch Canker Fungus and Oak Mortality Syndrome have been killing numerous trees, likely laying the flammable groundwork for the recent fires. Insect infestations make it easier for fungi to infect already-penetrated trees.

Tree disease, then, works in a kind of deadly synergy with insect infestations. Pine bark beetles, which tend to attack stressed and sick trees, are a common source of trouble. True to its name, the Fir Engraver Beetle etches through tree bark, then bores deep within where it can lay its eggs.

And most Republicans list "crime" as their hobby.


Major kudos on the avatar.
:roflmao:
Didn't someone whine about that av when you had it up the last time?
Is that supposed to be a Hilter 'stache or the result of a Dirty Sanchez? LOL

chocolate milk??

Southern California on Fire

Good.

Good.

I agree, Tiassa ....we need more of that smoke and ash pumped up into the atmosphere.

Baron Max

Good.

??? WTHell??? People died and EVERYTHING they had was lost. Good?? :mad:

??? WTHell??? People died and EVERYTHING they had was lost. Good??

Did I say it was good that people are dying?

Besides, Baron and I are having a moment. That's twice in, like, a week. Where are your priorities, woman?

??? WTHell??? People died and EVERYTHING they had was lost. Good?? :mad:

So? Who cares about 'em? I mean, it's not like they're black people and we can all watch the news in horror as the news crews pick out the most sensationalist, racist-type stories they can find. If there were blacks being burned out of their homes, the networks would milk it for all it was worth!

As it is, it's just another bunch of rich white people ....and no one gives a shit about rich white people except for a few other rich white people who know them personally.

Baron Max

....Besides, Baron and I are having a moment. That's twice in, like, a week. Where are your priorities, woman?

<backing slowly out of the room, closing the door> giggle.

Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees;


You make a good point. We had a similar issue here in Australia.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/07/1052280321826.html

Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees;
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hey there smokey buffalo
is that what happened here in socal?

extreme wild eyed left wing loons legislating...drop that twig or i will shoot

oh dear bells
i hope its different over there cos i am gonna rip that soundbite into shreds

Actually much of the fire problems stem from the extreme environmental policies that don't allow for the removal of built up dead brush, and trees; In the US, natural burn programs for fuel load reduction are promoted by the environmentalists, and opposed by corporate interests and owners of scenic estates. The extreme environmentalists would have been burning the canyons and landscapes of SoCal on a schedule, to imitate the natural fire regime - but the kinds of people who own fancy houses in the woods wouldn't have it.

There was an interview on the radio this morning with a guy who was fighting a fire near his brother's house, and had saved it. His own house was nearby, but it was pretty safe - because he had cleared the brush on his property. There is nothing stopping some Californians, at least, from clearing the brush and fuel load from their own yards and neighborhoods. They just don't do it.

You make a good point. We had a similar issue here in Australia. The issue is a bit different in Australia, because essentially the whole landscape has been regularly and deliberately burned by people for more than 20,000 years. The whole place is fire adapted to a greater degree than almost anywhere in the natural North American landscape.

I can recall the comments of an Australian fire official visiting California years ago and seeing the widespread plantings of Eucalyptus trees and other Australian fire-prone vegetation in Californian residential areas - he was trying to be polite, but basically calling the scene idiotic.

well since i've been defanged, i just mention some sociological shit and be on my way

vmp of fire dept. meet neighborhood council
marge to be exact

you wanna do what???

the laws have to be adhered to the letter
all have to cooperate
if process is cumbersome, offer streamlined alternative

uhh what?
whats that smokey?
you wanna set up internment camps...?.

Yeah, crazy fires; I'm smack dab in the middle of it. My favorite castle burned down in Malibu. :( Thank goodness Pepperdine didn't. Dang, and these areas literally look like a warzone. You'd have six or so big rigs all overturned in the streets together from the wind or smashed by a boulder, then a purplish brown dark sky with a red sun and homes burning and flames and ash everywhere. No electricity is a minor inconvenience.

- N

my previous domicile, a homestead in placerita cyn had an extensive sprinkler system...on the roof

dear old pops

/sob

swamp coolers!

yee hasaaah

They're letting prisoners out to help fight the fires.

lordy! have mercy!!!

hey!
hey baby girl

I heard 200k acres? had burned down

latest numbers i heard was 350k acres

hey sandy!!!

whatcha doin, sweet cheeks?

In the US, natural burn programs for fuel load reduction are promoted by the environmentalists, and opposed by corporate interests and owners of scenic estates. The extreme environmentalists would have been burning the canyons and landscapes of SoCal on a schedule, to imitate the natural fire regime - but the kinds of people who own fancy houses in the woods wouldn't have it.

There was an interview on the radio this morning with a guy who was fighting a fire near his brother's house, and had saved it. His own house was nearby, but it was pretty safe - because he had cleared the brush on his property. There is nothing stopping some Californians, at least, from clearing the brush and fuel load from their own yards and neighborhoods. They just don't do it.

Here in lies a major issue. Laziness and the people who own the houses overlooking the hills covered in vegetation do not want to have scheduled burn offs since it will ruin their views (after all, can't have a mansion overlooking burnt out undergrowth at any time) and they simply do not bother to clear out their properties as well. You have one group saying to burn off and another group saying no. The result is what you are now experiencing.

The environmental groups who are protesting against fuel reduction in forested areas because of the wildlife now face the even worse situation of all wildlife being virtually eradicated in a firestorm. Controlled burn offs, as advocated by the opposing environmentalists who understand the dangers and need of ridding the excessive fuel in the underbrush, are done in smaller areas and would, at the end of the day, have a lesser impact on the native wildlife.

The issue is a bit different in Australia, because essentially the whole landscape has been regularly and deliberately burned by people for more than 20,000 years. The whole place is fire adapted to a greater degree than almost anywhere in the natural North American landscape.
Yes it is. But we had a situation where controlled burning was banned, which led to an explosion in combustion fuel building up in forested areas, as well as former timber plantations. When it went up, it went up big and there was absolutely no way to control it (Canberra experienced this first hand). For the most part, most Australians who live near bushland do get into the habit of clearing out their gutters and ensuring the fuel load on their own properties is kept to a minimum, but some do not and when you have those and state land that has become a virtual fire keg, when it does light up, it quickly goes out of control.

They're letting prisoners out to help fight the fires.

You pretty much have no choice at the moment. The only thing that will save you is an abatement in the winds and rain. You basically need as many people helping to clear the land in the fire path in the hope it will lessen its impact and might help in slowing them down.

as the most preeminent rep of the cali inmate defense caucus, sciforums chapter, i hereby file a motion to return my brothers to their cells immediately on the grounds that it violates the principles of cups.
class action lawsuit baby

All of us in California have been holding our breath this year because of the dry conditions. I was sure there would be a catastrophic fire this last summer, but as Fall began, and we had several storms up here, the danger seemed to fade. But southern California hasn't had any storms this Fall, and I forgot about the Santa Ana winds.

Between fires, floods, and earthquakes, there really are no safe places to build in California. But some places are more unsafe than others.

gotta hold your breath
primo strain

Between fires, floods, and earthquakes, there really are no safe places to build in California. But some places are more unsafe than others.
But people still want to be here, for some reason!

Most of us at MCB Camp Pendleton have been mobilized to help with personnel evac and lend the firefighters a hand. The Navy has sent a lot of personnel from 32nd Street too. I'm home for four hours and then back to Del Mar for what looks to be well through the night. This fucking sucks.

Why is no one crying and whinning at the government to do something in California like they did in New Orleans? Is it just because the NO were mostly blacks, while those Californians affected are mostly whites? ...and the news media has nothing on which to hang it's sensationalist stories?

Baron Max

cosmic:

But if your God gave you such great intellect then why wouldn't you use it to live by the water that doesn't have all of the problems located there?


We live near the sea, and were almost cleaned out by a bushfire...

Why is no one crying and whinning at the government to do something in California like they did in New Orleans? Is it just because the NO were mostly blacks, while those Californians affected are mostly whites? ...and the news media has nothing on which to hang it's sensationalist stories?

Baron Max

Could it be because so far the government is helping those affected by the fire when in New Orleans they did not? Funny that eh?

The fire still burns and the way it looks, you have pretty much zero chance to controlling it unless the weather is kind to you.

http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/ENVIRORESOURCESev0312030.pdf


Needed: A Common-Sense Approach
to Protecting Our Nation’s Forests
Executive Summary
• More than 190 million acres of federal forest land are in declining health due to
overgrowth, disease, insect infestation, and weather-related damage and, as a result,
also are susceptible to catastrophic wildfires. The Nation’s forests are among our most
treasured natural resources. The health of those forests is a safety issue for millions of
Americans who live in or near them, but more than that, it is essential to assuring a
diverse ecosystem of plants and animals that can survive for generations to come.1
• The tools are readily available to restore our forests to healthy conditions.
Improving forest health through thinning smaller trees, reduction of overgrowth, removal
of dead and dying trees, and prescribed burning to further reduce unwanted fuels can help
return our forests to “pre-settlement conditions.” This will assure that: a diverse
ecosystem of plants and animals will survive for generations to come; air and water
quality are improved; recreation opportunities and scenic beauty are preserved and
enhanced; and that the threat of catastrophic wildfires is reduced.2
• Obstacles – in the form of environmental extremists – are impeding timely
treatment of our forests. Administrative appeal of restoration projects and litigation to
prevent federal forest managers from conducting forest health projects have drastically
slowed the effort to restore forest health. Policymakers and lawmakers should
concentrate on removing administrative and legal impediments to forest health restoration effort.


Despite the widespread understanding that our forests are at risk, some environmental
groups literally have formed human roadblocks to stop efforts by federal land managers to restore
forest health. Appeals and lawsuits filed by environmental groups for projects throughout the
nation, large and small, now represent the greatest risk to federal forests.

Enhancing Plant, Fish and Animal Habitats and Increasing Diversity
Some observers, claiming to speak in the name of “environmental protection,” advocate
limiting the use of thinning to the so-called Wildland-Urban Interface, where developed
communities abut federal forest lands. Dr. Covington suggests that concentrating on those
regions alone – while useful in protecting homes, farms, ranches, and people – does little to
address the health threat to entire forest ecosystem, including the habitats of birds, fish, and other
animals. Left untreated, the vast interior of our valuable forests will not be a welcoming place
for some of nature’s diverse species:
“Another reason that attention cannot be narrowly focused on a ring around the city is
because it will fail to address one of the most contentious issues of our time, the
protection of endangered species. . . . By not restoring the forest, we contribute to the
decline of habitat and the collision between society and nature.” 8
On the other side of this coin is a critical benefit yielded by forest thinning: a dramatic
increase in species diversity. According to Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton, catastrophic
fires in overly dense forests pose a threat to many threatened and endangered species, and
removal of small trees and undergrowth will benefit ecosystem health: she notes that the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that 46 species of forest birds, including 13 species of great
concern to wildlife biologists, will benefit from better management of the forests.9

CA has a Repub governor. LA had a lib. There's your answer. :)

Why is no one crying and whinning at the government to do something in California like they did in New Orleans? Is it just because the NO were mostly blacks, while those Californians affected are mostly whites? ...and the news media has nothing on which to hang it's sensationalist stories?

When we officially lose a city like San Diego or Los Angeles, ask your question then. We flat-out lost New Orleans. Not so in LoCal.

Isn't the source common knowlege?

the fires have already caused more damage then katrina

The other thing is that the Governor of California did things the right why, he ordered the evacuation, he got the people out, he implemented the disaster plan, and requested help just like he was suppose to, to allow the Federal Government to start the assistance flowing into California, he didn't wait like Ray Nagin with his finger up his ass, doing the democratic press spin, and let his constituents drowned, as was done in New Orleans, in the 9 ward, and Governor Blanco not even knowing what her responsibility was in the Emergency Plan, and how to request aid from the federal government.

For as screwed up as California is it still doesn't hold a candle to the corruption in Louisiana, with the Levee Boards, the sweet heart building contracts, and kick backs that are the heart of the Levee Disaster that came with Hurricane Katrina.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, did a out standing job, and he deserves all the credit in the world for knowing his job and what was required.

Posse Comitatus Act.

Maybe Arnold wants to upstage Juliani?

the fires have already caused more damage then katrina !?

Posse Comitatus Act. Essentially repealed.
Despite the widespread understanding that our forests are at risk, some environmental groups literally have formed human roadblocks to stop efforts by federal land managers to restore forest health. That's because these "land managers" wanted to "restore forest health" by private logging of the forests involved, using government paid roads and government subsidies.

Actual forest health initiatives - natural schedule burns, road removal and restrictions, etc - have not been opposed by most environmentalists.

And these California fires have little to do with that scene anyway.

my thoguhts go out to all the people who live in this area of california and who are affected by the fires... i wish them and their families the best when the fires go out.

I will differ from talking about the politics etc until later on

~~~~~~~~
cheers
zak

While we all run around to blame liberals or conservatives:

Part of the reason Southern California has become such a dangerous place to live is that it's such an attractive place to live. The migration of people drawn to the West by the region's mountains, forests and proximity to the ocean has led to more and more new residents building houses on the shrinking borderlands between edge suburbs and untouched wilderness. More than 8.6 million Western homes have been built within 30 miles (50 km) of national forest since 1982; in California, where the population has more than tripled since 1950, in excess of 50% of new housing has been built in a severe-fire zone. That's risky for obvious reasons: if more people choose to live in areas threatened by fire, more people will be in harm's way when disaster finally strikes. But those houses, especially if owners fail to prioritize fire safety, are often more sensitive to fire than are untouched forests, and just a few scattered houses in the woods can amplify a wildfire. "Isolated homes surrounded by natural vegetation are probably the most dangerous combination for fires," says Jon Keeley, a research ecologist with the U.S. Geographical Survey (USGS). Beyond providing fuel for the flames, new dwellings also concentrate the single biggest cause of wildfires: us. The downed power lines, careless barbecues and abandoned campfires that frequently spark fires don't happen in the absence of people. And then there is the wicked wild card of arson. Perhaps only one person in a community of thousands has a hand in triggering a blaze, but the very presence of those thousands is what turns an otherwise messy event deadly. "The same fires happening wouldn't be anywhere near as serious without this development pattern," says Volker Radeloff, a forest ecologist at the University of Wisconsin.

(Waslh (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1675380,00.html))

And people laughed at Pink Gilmour. It's easy to laugh when we don't want to believe. She will take it back, indeed.

Or should we go with something a little lighter, something we're supposed to laugh at? Robin Williams: "Get those condos off my back!"

You know, when I was working for an insurance company, I was disgusted that they would cite hailstorms as a challenge to revenue while spending excessively on marketing. (The company is hanging tough, its workforce, book, and territory are declining, but at least they have their name on a ballpark.) To the other, though, I don't know what to tell those companies that are currently losing billions, having insured these homes in one of nature's feistier corners of the Americas.

Of course, since the executives will get fat while the companies die, it's the employees who will be hurt. A couple of big disasters like this could really unsettle the way of things in this country.
________________

Notes:

Walsh, Bryan. "The Fire This Time". Time.com. October 25, 2007. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1675380,00.html

I am sure baron blames swarz-a-nigger for these fires, because i noticed he brought up black new orleans.

why dont the fire men get a few 200 miles hoses, i am sure baron has a few in his garage, plug them into the sea & let rip at these fires that way, the sea level will go down & we wont have to worry about the artic melting anymore.
And arnold the gov. is into all themz new fangled green ideas, unlike bush fire at the whitehouse.

What about all these hollywood stars tom cruise, richard gere, haley comet berries, there all saying we got a house there at mala-boo & we are all with our neighbours, trouble is there 3000 miles away hiding in europe, is that just a coincidence?

now there saying the fires were started on purpose, but by who?

How about haley berry she has had a few turkey's at the box office recently, maybe she is doing a insurance job on her mali-boo beach house, that would fit into barons idea of blaming swarz-a-nigger too.

Some of the fires were arson. Many people think they were a terror attempt. Many say they were Biblically prophesied. Liberals are already blaming Bush. And the world goes on...:rolleyes:

The bible did talk about fire somehwere. Cant be a coincidence.......

I heard it was 1 guy starting a fire in his house for insurance and it got waaaay out of hand.

Arsonists started several of the blazes. Police shot one suspected arsonist after he tried to flee. I think police should shoot all arsonists. And all criminals.

Shoot all criminals?

Arsonists started several of the blazes. Police shot one suspected arsonist after he tried to flee. I think police should shoot all arsonists. And all criminals.

HAHA I thought God loves everyone :rolleyes:

He does but I don't.

You disagree with God?

Shoot all criminals?

Yes. Save my country a hell of a lot of money by not housing/feeding/ educating/giving health/dental care etc to these pukes. Shoot them instead--especially when they're caught in the act. No more Mr. Nice Guy. We're tired of this bs. :(

What if I steal an apple?

Arsonists started several of the blazes. Police shot one suspected arsonist after he tried to flee. I think police should shoot all arsonists. And all criminals.

Here's to your being executed next time you are stopped for speeding (or jaywalking, or littering).

Cops flirt, stutter, drool, and then faint when they stop me. They don't have the strength/desire to shoot. I don't litter.

Steal an apple, bam! You lose. :D

It's my Chuck Norris war on crime. :D

"Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship." :D

Cops flirt, stutter, drool, and then faint when they stop me.




Oh PLEASE GOD MAKE THIS END!! :crazy:

Don't you have some puppies to kick? :confused: :(

p.s. I already kicked your @ss long ago:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=sandy&word2=shorty

And don't bother trying to fight. I even kick Chuck Norris's @ss:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=sandy&word2=Chuck+Norris

"Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship." :D

I wanna be the dic 'tater ( it's a spud joke)

yeah, yeah, fuck off, I know.

LOL! :D Cute. I would never to tell you to FO. Unless you said something really retarded. ;)

LOL! :D Cute. I would never to tell you to FO. Unless you said something really retarded. ;)

I guess I can't say you haven't warned me.

Despite the widespread understanding that our forests are at risk, some environmental
groups literally have formed human roadblocks to stop efforts by federal land managers to restore
forest health. Appeals and lawsuits filed by environmental groups for projects throughout the
nation, large and small, now represent the greatest risk to federal forests.

Dude, give the red font a fucking rest.

And you obviously haven't read many of my posts.

Dude, give the red font a fucking rest.

Buffy is right. The envirowhackos are out there. :rolleyes:

The NYT blog "The Lede", is currently covering the California fires. They found this image from NASA:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/194328main_socalfire1-20071025_516px.jpg (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/tracking-the-california-wildfires-thursday/index.html)

Those Santa Ana winds that fanned the flames are the same ones that sent much of the smoke out to sea, away from the lungs of Californians. Now that they’ve moved away, the smoke “will get blown back over land by afternoon sea breezes over the next week,” The Weather Underground predicts.

(The Lede (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/tracking-the-california-wildfires-thursday/index.html))

Pretty impressive.

Guacamole fans can relax; the avocado crop isn't nearly as devastated as first thought.

And a curious issue:

Qualcomm Stadium has received rave reviews as “the Ritz of disaster shelters,” even sending out a call for diet soda for thirsty evacuees. But as Californians return home, another contingent was hoping to take its place: football fans.

In its Sunday game against the Houston Texans, the San Diego Chargers would much prefer to play on its own field, as scheduled. But the N.F.L. commissioner has raised several other options this week, including Phoenix, Los Angeles and, most outrageously, Texas.

The Chargers are unlikely to cede its home-field advantage, especially after a crazy week that left 45 members of the organization, including many players, displaced, according to The Houston Chronicle.

A decision was expected to be announced later today, with one local paper saying it was increasingly likely that everything would proceed as previously scheduled. For now, the Chargers are practicing in Arizona.

(ibid)

I'm going to wait until Saturday and Sunday to see what this actually means. The nearest figure I can find so far is "thousands" of refugees, and since the stadium holds over 71,000 in its seats for events, I'm wondering what that translates to as a refugee camp. How many will be left this weekend? What will the air quality be like?

It seems kind of strange that they're having the discussion at all. As of yesterday (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aO1w3hz3yuLE&refer=home), Houston and Dallas look more likely to host the game than San Diego.

Also, the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-fires-users22oct22-pg,1,1212081.photogallery?coll=la-headlines-pe-california&ctrack=1&cset=true) has some impressive photos coming in from readers.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-10/33403484.jpg ( http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-fires-users22oct22-pg,1,1212081.photogallery?coll=la-headlines-pe-california&ctrack=1&cset=true)
Portola Springs at SR-133 and SR-241
interchange on Sunday evening. (Photo by Gary)

But Baby's on fire!
And all the instruments agree that
Her temperature's rising,
But any idiot would know that.

(Brian Eno)

The nearest figure I can find so far is "thousands" of refugees, and since the stadium holds over 71,000 in its seats for events, I'm wondering what that translates to as a refugee camp.

And no one seems to be screaming and ranting for the government to come in and save them all. Why is that? Why is it so different to what transpired in New Orleans during the hurricane? Oooh, could it be that the refugees in California can take care of themselves? Hmm, why so different?

Baron Max

We are mostly self-reliant. The only problems we've had are the criminal aliens looting and stealing. :(

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html

And no one seems to be screaming and ranting for the government to come in and save them all. Why is that? Why is it so different to what transpired in New Orleans during the hurricane? Oooh, could it be that the refugees in California can take care of themselves? Hmm, why so different?

Baron Max

It would appear even the most obvious things needs to be pointed out to you. Could it possibly be the majority of the people and homes affected in the California fires are in the upper wage bracket? I don't know? Could it? Do you see the connection here? And could it be that they (the people in California) had help right from the start while the people in New Orleans had to beg, wait and then wait some more for the Government to realise the extent of the damage? Could it be that also Baron?

I wonder if the situation would have been the same in New Orleans if there had been a few more celebrities living in the region, as there are in California. What do you think Baron?

It would appear even the most obvious things needs to be pointed out to you. Could it possibly be the majority of the people and homes affected in the California fires are in the upper wage bracket? I don't know? Could it?

So ....only poor people are allowed to cry and whine to the government for help and handouts? And everyone else who've lost everything in a fire, can't whine and cry and ask for government assistance?

Perhaps the poor people are poor because they spend their money on drugs and guns and booze, and can't save any for a rainy day?

Weren't all rich people poor at one time? How'd they get to be rich? I started out as a dirt-poor farmer's son, and I retired at 55 with more than enough money to last several lifetimes. How did I do it? Ohh, wouldn't be all the work I put into it, could it?

Do you see the connection here? And could it be that they (the people in California) had help right from the start while the people in New Orleans had to beg, wait and then wait some more for the Government to realise the extent of the damage? Could it be that also Baron?

Nope, that ain't it. The people in California were told to evacuate and they did. The people in NO were told to evacuate and they didn't!! And yet, when the shit hit the fan, they whined and cried as if it was all someone else's fault that they were in the fix they were in. And then the expected someone else to get them out of the fix that they, themselves, caused.

No, must be something else, Bells, wanna' try again?

Baron Max

The people who evacuated in California must have means or finances, the people in New Orleans were either poor or turned back at gunpoint by their friendly neighboring states.

And no one seems to be screaming and ranting for the government to come in and save them all. Why is that? Why is it so different to what transpired in New Orleans during the hurricane? Oooh, could it be that the refugees in California can take care of themselves? Hmm, why so different?

Maybe because the government hasn't abandoned them yet?

Hmm ... just maybe?

:rolleyes:

Maybe because the government hasn't abandoned them yet?

Hmm ... just maybe?

:rolleyes:

10+ billion dollars spent in the first 8 months after Hurricane Katrina and you say the government abandoned the people of New Orleans?

The government's costliest initiative -- $6.4 billion allocated to place storm survivors in temporary trailers and mobile homes , is abandoning the people of New Orleans?

$114 billion has been spent on the effort to rebuild a large stretch of the Gulf Coast after the storm hit New Orleans in August 2005, this is the government abandoning the people of the Gulf Coast?

:roflmao::roflmao:

NO is a bowl. No one should rebuild.

Much of CA is paradise. People will rebuild.

Well, according to the Rhodes Scholars at Faux News. It was AL-QUEDA! who possibly set the forest fires. Oh, you think I'm kidding? See it for yourselves.

Scroll down to the second video to view the news segment.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_hypes_Qaeda_plotted_fires_theory_1025.html

That was one of several theories. There are plenty more. I think I already posted them earlier.

Environmental policies that prohibit controlled burns and clearing vegetation. Probably true.

Predictable acts of nature made worse by people choosing to live in their paths. Partially true.

The fires are being set by jihadi terrorists. We don't know yet.

It's God's judgment for lawmakers banning 'Mom' and 'Dad' from the classroom. Interesting take...

'Fire-bug' arsonists who get their kicks starting fires. Possibly.

Eco-terrorists seeking to stop suburban sprawl into wildlands. Not impossible.

Divine punishment for San Diego's mayor reversing his position and now endorsing same-sex marriage. Hmmmm.

Global warming. Oh puhleeze. :mad:

I also heard criminal aliens but I don't know yet. :confused:

Oh, I forgot. Many liberals say it's all Bush's fault. Morons....

Oh it gets better! According to Glen Beck:

"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." Beck continued: "There are a few people that hate America.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710220003?f=h_latest

One of the guys arrested for arson is Gorgonio Nava. The other was not identified because he is a juvenile. We're not sure yet if they're criminal aliens.
At least four people have been arrested for investigation of arson since the wildfires broke out over the weekend.:mad:

One of the other guys arrested is Catalino Pineda, 41. Witnesses told police they saw him lighting a fire on a hillside in the West Hills area of San Fernando then walking away. :mad:

Pineda was already on probation for "making excessive false emergency reports" to police at the time of the arrest. :mad:

10+ billion dollars spent in the first 8 months after Hurricane Katrina and you say the government abandoned the people of New Orleans?

That's a separate question, Buff.

Then again, more fool me for expecting you to be smart enough to recognize that.

cali takes care of their own
usually
all take their cues from us
cutting edge first responders and whatnot

statehood, cali style, is an outward flow of cash
a pilfering
thats it

Bizarre behavior. One thing about forests is they grow back better after a fire. Thts mother nature man. Thats why its called Mother Nature.

Cops flirt, stutter, drool, and then faint when they stop me. They don't have the strength/desire to shoot. I don't litter.Any sensible legal system would make it a criminal offense to use your God given beauty to manipulate others. Bamn, your dead. Oh, wait a moment. you live in the US. You don't have a sensible legal system.

The people who evacuated in California must have means or finances, the people in New Orleans were either poor or turned back at gunpoint by their friendly neighboring states.
Not all. The south side of San Diego (Barrio Logan, Chula Vista, National City) are all fairly poor relative to their surrounding areas and populated by a lot of first-generation Pacific rim and Mexican immigrants.

North of the city, you're correct.

Any sensible legal system would make it a criminal offense to use your God given beauty to manipulate others. Bamn, your dead. Oh, wait a moment. you live in the US. You don't have a sensible legal system.

I don't even have to work it. It just happens. :D

I wonder what China does for its people when their property is destroyed by a natural disaster?

They don't have property.

Lovely.

awesome article fffrom a local girl

If you were to write down how many fires are raging in Southern California right now, you would be wrong, because every time you look, a new one springs up between the Mexican border and Ventura. You can’t even keep track of the names: Canyon, Harris, Witch, Buckweed, Magic, Ranch, Sedgewick, Santiago, Little Mountain, Soledad Canyon — the names get less inventive as the process drags on. (Not even Governor Schwarzenegger can keep track — on Monday, he had to count upward during a press conference.) But only the number is unusual: The astonishing thing about Southern California is not that it continues to burn, but that people appear perennially shocked that it does. And that well into the 21st century, nothing — no high-tech helicopter, no flame-retardant-spewing fixed-wing aircraft, no high-powered hose or even responsible brush clearance — seems able to stop it. The governor, who owns property in star-studded and frequently fire-ravaged Malibu, summed it up best: “What we need is the weather to change.”

“What we need is the weather to change.” (http://www.laweekly.com/la-vida/a-considerable-town/the-world-on-fire/17524/)

and across this beloved country of mine we have 97 (http://inciweb.org/3/d/40/) fires with about half fully contained

And the reason many of those tracts burn so readily is that they have roofs made of shake shingles--or as I call them, kindling wood.

There was a photo on the front page of the L.A. Times after the Bradbury fire--I don't know, maybe 25 years ago. What struck me was not that an entire neighborhood had been leveled, but scattered througout the obliteration there were about seven houses still standing. Those were the ones that didn't have wood shingle roofs.

i dont get it then
here is an opportunity to add more regulations
a process that gets local govt salivating

why aint it banned frag?

bah
developer
hm own assc
clout

i dont get it then
here is an opportunity to add more regulations
a process that gets local govt salivating

why aint it banned frag?

bah
developer
hm own assc
clout

Let's see what Zorg has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA

- N

boy! have you lost your mind???

/boxes ears

I don't get it then here is an opportunity to add more regulations, a process that gets local govt salivating. Why ain't it banned frag?

bah developer hm own assc cloutIt's the timber industry. Composition shingles would be made in different factories owned by different companies. Timber is a mighty big and powerful lobby in California; it's the biggest industry in our county. They have so much power that there's quite a damper on information. Most homeowners honestly don't know there is an alternative.

There's no opposition from homeowner's associations because the composition shingles look just about identical, and none from developers because they cost more and the markup would increase their profits.

count me in as one of the ignorant.
pardon the hm assc/blah wasnt seriously proposed.not logical. would have got to industry. not to timber

excellent frag
you rock :)

cant sleep huh frag?


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1837/34404760ml0.jpg


As they fled through smoke and ash to escape the flames, the couple from Poway were optimistic that their new multimillion-dollar home would survive. It had been built to the highest fire standards, with a slate roof and tempered windows. And the Bedells were careful to keep brush cleared to 150 feet.

About 5 a.m., the fire roared up to their property, blew past and moved on, leaving the home intact. But eight hours later, with the wildfire burning miles away, their house caught fire -- the victim of smoldering embers that wafted through the dog door.

Fire officials believe that embers driven by raging winds through small openings or against exposed wood were responsible for igniting a majority of the 1,125 homes leveled by the Witch fire, the most destructive in California this year. In many cases the embers smoldered for hours before causing homes to burn.

Well, according to the Rhodes Scholars at Faux News. It was AL-QUEDA! who possibly set the forest fires. Oh, you think I'm kidding? See it for yourselves.

Scroll down to the second video to view the news segment.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_hypes_Qaeda_plotted_fires_theory_1025.html

OMG thats fucking crazy:eek: