this is my summary of how --even through a change of paradgims --social control and maintanence of Status Quo is achieved.....feel free to challenge o'course: CHRISTIANITY/STATE The 3 Estates: 1. The Church 2. Aristocracy/Warriors/Knights 3. The Peasants/Workers, who feed ,etc., the latter two. Divine Right of Kings, ie., King= 'God'/the patriarchal- hierarchy; 'God'= Creator/Architect ^ of material creation; 'spirit'='God', Church; authority versus 'Flesh' instinct/ feeling ecstatic communion with Nature. Latter is deemed demonic by the Church. Only through its priests can on 'contact' 'God' and the virtual 'sacrament' is tin wafers of white bread and sip of wine - said by Church to be the 'Body and Blood of Christ'. Of bleedin course, it's just bread and wine -if THAT! $CIENCE/$TATE 1. Military Industrial Complex 2. Politics 3. Industrial Fasicism - Workers $cience is 'god' Prime nister/President/Leader/Science = Father; Hierarchy - class system; materialist world view that matter is dead and only bains, especially human brain produces conscousness. 'Mind body/mind/brain problem'/ Scientists are priests of matter/energy'. Authority (based on materialistic science) versus 'spirit' and ecstatic communion with Nature - their war on [some] drugs. Such communion, 'natural' and with psychedelic inspiration is diagnosed as 'mental illness'. The ritual scrament is consumerism/entertainmet. Nature is understood as mechanical and 'mechanial/computer-brain' produces consciousness, which 'MUST' be 'normal' and/or controlled with 'meds'. Mind Control' well?
That's it?? Only two principles all through the many centuries of human existence? Seems like a pretty short list to me. Baron Max
No, I just thought that there might be more and different methods of social control than just two ....especially in light of the fact that humans are widely varied over the Earth AND we've been around for some 12 billion years or so. ....two methods just seems pretty few, that's all. Baron Max
But, bmax, the POINT is is that it is TWO paradigms and ONE method. first paradgim i outlined is Church and State.......the hierarchy is based on biblical scriptures....'God'--church, king, etc.......the carrot is heaven and stick is hell second paradigm...is Science (materialistic science) and State....now hierarchy has dropped 'God' and replaced with matter, and guesswho are the new priests--the mater-ialist scientists. carrot now is consumerism and stick is ghetto and 'mental illness' so what's te prevailing method. it is the miantanence of a psychological split between 'spirit'/mind and Nature/'matter' BOTH paradigms denigrate 'matter'. Christianity divided 'spirit' from matter. Science dispenses WIT that distorted understanding of 'spirit' and kept 'matter' as be all and end all for their ongoing exploitation. we are right in the thick of it!!
Nature wins all arguments in the end, though--look at the experience of the Mayan culture, which collapsed (as Jared Diamond pointed out when he used them as his prime example in the book of that name). He also pointed out that because we've messed up the environment so badly, we're heading that way as a society ourselves, but this time its the whole world that's going to collapse because of the sale of things now. So where's the social control then?
actually their 'social control' is scam too...! they dont REALLY want social control. they want social chaos, MASQUERADING as social control--if this makessense for exmple, they need to maintain the divisions in society. a big reason being they need a secular 'hell' which ats as te 'stick' of meritocratic culture, whereas the 'carot' is success prestige, dosh, fame, power. So they LOVE ghettos, and sociopatic youth ready to kill people they meet on the street, and guns, gangsters, child prositution, homelessness, degradation. LOVE it they do who are 'they' They are both thepower elite and tieir apathetic gullible suppoters who go after their carrot
So what does all this come down to, Duendy? That perhaps as much as 10% of all humanity is setting the direction of the other 90% and all for their own selfish purposes? That means that ALL the scientists, ALL the politicians, ALL the business men and women and ALL of the industrial leaders have joined together in this secret society to benefit only themselves? And I suppose they have secret handshakes so that they can recognize each other? And that they all believe in numerology and use it to announce to the world that they are behind every major event - yet want to remain hidden? And of the 90% that they have deluded and mislead only YOU and a few others can see through to their existence and motives? Hmmmm...
It takes considerably less than that 10 percent to force 10 percent to do their bidding. They do it by deception, the way you treat us, Light. I'm not the only one who notices that you get your way by hurting and humiliating people here, and not by anything but a pretense of actual intellectual superiority.
You really don't pay close attention, do you? Who said anything about "10% forcing 10% to do their bidding????" I clearly said 10% and 90% and also used the word "deceiving" which you used here as if you just thought of it yourself. And I'm making no attempt to deceive anyone - you and Duendy are fooling yourselves through your very own stupidity, ignorance and lack of clear thinking.
The sad thing is that you keep trying the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over....
And what is it I'm doing over and over? Pointing out your childish errors? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Have you ever stopped to think that if you would quit making them that perhaps I - and others- would stop calling your hand?
When living in a fools world serves their purpose, they don't want to come out of it, and man! do they hate it when someone points out that their world is fake!
I'm surprised how Light is trying to make this into a fight between so-called 'homosexuals' and 'heterosexuals' as if all heterosexuals will have nothing against religion or science and all so-called 'homosexuals' will be against it. And he is also trying to substantiate his 10% theory in the process. I hope he has 'external scientific evidence' that proves beyond doubt that the heterosexuals form 90% of the human population.
Excuse me?????????? Just where in the world do you come off interjecting your homosexuals vs heterosexuals crap into this discussion???????? I've said NOTHING about that whatsoever! And you are so stupidly brazen as to introduce your crazy subject here and then CLAIM I DID IT! What an asinine fool you are.
Since I've had not received a response to the last post, I'll assume that I was probably right! Light true to his dishonet image was lying after all.
You assume far too much. Just as you did when you jumped - no, LEAPED! - to that conclusion earlier. I've not been online for some time but am now, so here's your response. :bugeye: If you had simply gone back to the post where I introduced those numbers you would have seen how I used them and what they meant.
O.K, my mistake. I take back my words. I don't know how you got your numbers of 90% and 10% though (funny how everything seems to be divided into 90% and 10%).
