So you wake up one day and you realize that you need someone to understand you. To understand and to care for you as you are...in all your perfection in and your imperfection, all your self destructiveness and self- . Then you realize that you cannot really ever have that kind of person for you will manipulate them, for you will use them, for you cannot ever allow yurself to be that weak. And that this is your weakness and that it can never be seen and thus, you will always control and manipulate to no end, those around you. That you thirst for power and will get power for it is the one thing that is pure, that is indestructible. But then, from somewhere, a voice calls and says you cannot and must not follow such a path. As you a result you seep further into self destruction, but not completely, for you know who will win. Your thirst for power will overpower you and destroy that little voice for it is what you are and you cannot chnage what you are. And you cannot voice this except on a forum for it serves two purposes, equally important and diabolic.

*So Fountain wakes up one day and he realizes that he needs someone to understand him. To understand and to care for him as he is...in all his perfection and his imperfection, all his self destructiveness and self- . Then he realizes that he cannot really ever have that kind of person for himself,because he will manipulate them, for he will use them, for he cannot ever allow himself to be that weak. And that this is his weakness and that it can never be seen and thus, he will always control and manipulate to no end, those around him. That he thirsts for power and will get power for it is the one thing that is pure, that is indestructible. But then, from somewhere, a voice calls and says he cannot and must not follow such a path. As a result he seeps further into self destruction, but not completely, for he knows who will win. His thirst for power will overpower him and destroy that little voice, for it is what he is and he cannot change what he is. And he cannot voice this except on a forum for it serves two purposes, equally important and diabolic.

There,now I understand what you are saying.:)

But then, from somewhere, a voice calls and says you cannot and must not follow such a path.

[subtle Joan of Arc innuendo]That's when it's time to draw your sword from its scabbard and lead the French to victory![/subtle Joan of Arc innuendo]

I've been looking for an attractive, female version of myself for quite some time and I think that in a way I have actually found her. As such I have elevated her to goddess level. I asked her out about a year ago and she said no, so for now she's just a figment of my daydreams, a reason to keep my eyes open when conscious. I guess, in a way, she isn't even that incredible in her looks, so I'm hoping that my incredible male shallowness has taken a kind of a break and instead focused my attention to who she is on the inside rather than the outside. How sweet.

Uhh...now...what were we talking about....

Originally posted by thefountainhed
So you wake up one day and you realize that you need someone to understand you. To understand and to care for you as you are...in all your perfection in and your imperfection, all your self destructiveness and self-

Perfection? i thought such didn't exist. What you ask for can not be given to you or anyone else. Unconditional love is only a story left for movies and TV.

Then you realize that you cannot really ever have that kind of person for you will manipulate them, for you will use them, for you cannot ever allow yurself to be that weak. And that this is your weakness and that it can never be seen and thus, you will always control and manipulate to no end, those around you.

If you cannot overcome this attitude then you don't deserved to be loved. Hurting others to console your and preserve your own ego is harmful to you and the victim.

That you thirst for power and will get power for it is the one thing that is pure, that is indestructible.

You forgot shallow Ceaser Augustus. Power, in the end, is very isolating no matter how far it's reaches.

But then, from somewhere, a voice calls and says you cannot and must not follow such a path. As you a result you seep further into self destruction, but not completely, for you know who will win.

Why seep into destruction? One must be very power hungry to have such moral dilemmas when venturing forth into something good.

Your thirst for power will overpower you and destroy that little voice for it is what you are and you cannot chnage what you are. And you cannot voice this except on a forum for it serves two purposes, equally important and diabolic.

It also make quite evident the fact you haven't found an equal of the opposite sex. If you have then may god bless your soul because you'll be forever lonely.

fountainhed:
So you wake up one day and you realize that you need someone to understand you. To understand and to care for you as you are...in all your perfection in and your imperfection, all your self destructiveness and self- .

It's not a need. It's a desire and it will kill you if you indulge in it.

Acceptance is a myth. It's something we try to believe in because those warm homones are swimming in our blood telling us how much we love this person. But ultimately, you cannot reveal yourself so fully to a person without being despised by them.

Then you realize that you cannot really ever have that kind of person for you will manipulate them, for you will use them, for you cannot ever allow yurself to be that weak.

Or they will use you, and you in your passion will not only allow but welcome it.

And that this is your weakness and that it can never be seen and thus, you will always control and manipulate to no end, those around you.

Now this is bullshit and you know it. There is no dichotomy between wanting to love and wanting to control - it is merely that those who would control us would find us more docile if we believed that they loved us.

Your thirst for power will overpower you and destroy that little voice for it is what you are and you cannot chnage what you are.

Break the windows and leap to freedom.

sargentlard:
If you cannot overcome this attitude then you don't deserved to be loved. Hurting others to console your and preserve your own ego is harmful to you and the victim.

Fine, take the high, moral road and crucify yourself upon self-rightousness.
You hurt others. You do this because you can be damned sure that they'll rip you to shreds if you ever gave them half the chance.
But you don't want to hurt others? That's why there is solitude, sargentlard. Life and love are nothing but ripping and tearing - one can run to solitude and woo freedom back, but that's it.

Fountainhed:
Then you realize that you cannot really ever have that kind of person for you will manipulate them, for you will use them, for you cannot ever allow yurself to be that weak.
Power secularizes the ideal. And the ideal is sham. So you're damning your cause from the first by idealizing.

And that this is your weakness and that it can never be seen and thus, you will always control and manipulate to no end, those around you
Why is this a weakness?
If 'love' is denied in the name of power, can the idea of love not be understood in the absence of power?

Your thirst for power will overpower you and destroy that little voice for it is what you are and you cannot chnage what you are. And you cannot voice this except on a forum for it serves two purposes, equally important and diabolic.
Diabolical? Destruction implies that the thirst to empower, overpower, or power is a wrong becuase of the moral connotation. There is nothing bad in not wanting to get trampled in mud.

There's nothing desctructive in not wanting to get fucked. Especially by an inferior.

Sarge:
Power, in the end, is very isolating no matter how far it's reaches.

"Fortune favors the bold". Your isolate holds little water in the face of that.

Xev:
There is no dichotomy between wanting to love and wanting to control - it is merely that those who would control us would find us more docile if we believed that they loved us.

Totally disagreed. Going to sound terribly utopian, but dystopia is not everything. And this includes what the laity calls a 'relationship'. Those loving in the guise of 'control' and finding you docile for it only do so because you replaced the 'need' with a fucking surrogate.

Someone worthy of that place would be my equal in all ways. I think it possible.

Mind you I use the words........"relationship" (blah) and "love (moo).....loosely.

gendanken:
There is no dichotomy between wanting to love and wanting to control - it is merely that those
who would control us would find us more docile if we believed that they loved us.
Totally disagreed. Going to sound terribly utopian, but dystopia is not everything. And this includes what the laity calls a 'relationship'. Those loving in the guise of 'control' and finding you docile for it only do so because you replaced the 'need' with a fucking surrogate.

Nein, gendanken. It's simple deception - I wuuuuv you. Even more insidiously, "I understand you".

Someone worthy of that place would be my equal in all ways. I think it possible.

Do elaborate.

Mind you I use the words........"relationship" (blah) and "love (moo).....loosely.

"Power" is being tossed around like a fucking salad here, may as well use other terms loosely.

Xev Says

Fine, take the high, moral road and crucify yourself upon self-rightousness. You hurt others. You do this because you can be damned sure that they'll rip you to shreds if you ever gave them half the chance. But you don't want to hurt others? That's why there is solitude, sargentlard. Life and love are nothing but ripping and tearing - one can run to solitude and woo freedom back, but that's it.

Lately i have found that to be all too true. But every damn time i can not bring myself to even backtalk, or even let myself the freedom to formulate venegful thoughts because the moment i do i am disgusted at myself. Being the bigger person is very quickly taking it's toll.

I really can not be alone in this dilemma can I?
Gendy says

"Fortune favors the bold". Your isolate holds little water in the face of that.

But do the bold not fall? Fortune also brings hatred in it's cradle, no?

***interesting***

moe...
I sue you for plagiarism

Sarge..
Forever the optimistic bastard, eh? Why I love and kick your butt.

Xev...
It's not a need. It's a desire and it will kill you if you indulge in it.
A desire? Nah. It is a need; one that simply cannot be achieved for that who understands me can understand me to not want to be manipulated

Acceptance is a myth. It's something we try to believe in because those warm homones are swimming in our blood telling us how much we love this person. But ultimately, you cannot reveal yourself so fully to a person without being despised by them.
I care not for acceptance.

Or they will use you, and you in your passion will not only allow but welcome it.
True statement to an extent. Passion is wonderful and exciting but I inevitably get bored.

Now this is bullshit and you know it. There is no dichotomy between wanting to love and wanting to control - it is merely that those who would control us would find us more docile if we believed that they loved us.
I donot understand this. To love someone who controls you will mean that they controlling you is part of the reason why the love you. Your docility is part of the attraction.

Break the windows and leap to freedom.
Not so easy nor do I wnat to try. Sure you know this: "Two faces of the same coin. I am the metal in between." 'cept there is no fucking metal.

Gendy....
Power secularizes the ideal. And the ideal is sham. So you're damning your cause from the first by idealizing.
**interesting. **

If 'love' is denied in the name of power, can the idea of love not be understood in the absence of power?QUOTE]
No

[QUOTE]There is nothing bad in not wanting to get trampled in mud.
Either this is an assumption or a misunderstanding. I will not get trampled in the mud nor I am scared of that; in fact, subconsciously I may welcome they who can just to test my limititations. I want to trample. Well actually no. Trample has such bad connotations, plus I do not believe I have seeped that far yet. Word was mainpulate. Not to the point of inducing insecurities and the like.

fountainhed:
I care not for acceptance.

"Understood and cared for". Perhaps it's semantics - I feel the same need or desire, only I verbalize it as someone whom I can walk with.

I donot understand this. To love someone who controls you will mean that they controlling you is part of the reason why the love you. Your docility is part of the attraction.

I don't understand the objection. One wishes for the person who could force you to your knees so that you didn't have to simply wander off. It's not a matter of docility. It's a matter of being stupid enough to think that they're worth it and self-hating enough to think that you deserve it.
Nobility sees love as humiliation and confuses humiliation with love. Freedom is still innate.

I want to trample. Well actually no. Trample has such bad connotations, plus I do not believe I have seeped that far yet. Word was mainpulate. Not to the point of inducing insecurities and the like.

Is it that you want to be needed? I always was curious about that. It's goddamned frightening to think that they might, and yet it does sound so good.

sargentlard:
Lately i have found that to be all too true. But every damn time i can not bring myself to even backtalk, or even let myself the freedom to formulate venegful thoughts because the moment i do i am disgusted at myself. Being the bigger person is very quickly taking it's toll.

Wrong. You're not "being the bigger person" by refusing to retaliate. We think revenge is low because we think being decieved is low, and we'd rather not admit it. Taking revenge admits that one has been hurt. It's not something we like because we don't like admitting that we lost.

And yeah, you're always more angry at yourself than you are at anyone else.

Xev

you're always more angry at yourself than you are at anyone else.

Taking revenge is suppose to be a recourse for this anger? It is very true that after being decieved or being wrongfully neglected one feels more foolish inside for letting themselves get engaged in this deciet. Taking revenge is really suppose to relieve some of this?

I rather opt for zero chance of fogiveness and indefinet abandonment. This is where one's definition of what is morally acceptable as justification of this wrongful act kicks in no? This is where you and i differ. I guess relieving myself of any and all connections with the liar is my form of revenge.

Taking revenge admits that one has been hurt.

The opposite being supression of the fact? Does that make the impressor a weak individual then? I have always found that to be false.

You're not "being the bigger person" by refusing to retaliate.

Forever the weak, never the wise
The liar or the reflection
which he should more despise?

fountain please try to be less confusing.

i do understand bits and pieces of your seemingly incomprehensible babble however. like not being able to find an equal, or atleast suitable, member of the oposite sex. or of the same sex for that mater.
and the whole destructive and power hungry thing. but everyone is like that to an extent. you want power, perhaps because you have so little, or simply to spite those who already have it, but yo also want some one to understand you, likly because you yourself dont or just because your sick of being so incredibly isolated.

but whenever thoughts like these fill my head i come to one conclusion. just end the world and it will all be beter. go find that big red button and push it. show god whos boss. as long as their is life their will be the torturose questions and these sinister thoughts.
or you could take the easier aproache and slit your wrist after downing a bottle of sleeping pills.

cthulhu's slave:
Now that's overkill.
A nice overdose of barbituates and just swim out to sea. That's how I've always wanted to go.
Actually I want to die in battle, but that's not going to happen.

ou want power, perhaps because you have so little, or simply to spite those who already have it, but yo also want some one to understand you, likly because you yourself dont or just because your sick of being so incredibly isolated.

This is true. Power-hunger is a sure sign of not having it. There's something about the greedy that implies lack. But I made it this far without quoting Nietzsche and I'm not going to start now.

sargentlard:
The opposite being supression of the fact? Does that make the impressor a weak individual then? I have always found that to be false.

Yup. Suck it up, you big dummy! Never, ever give an enemy the satisfaction of knowing that they hurt you

[quote]

Sarge:
I guess relieving myself of any and all connections with the liar is my form of revenge.

There's something very pussy in that.

Xev:
"Power" is being tossed around like a fucking salad here, may as well use other terms loosely
Sure enough, but do remember this is a measly forum. How else to go about it? Pronouns?

Gendy said:
Someone worthy of that place would be my equal in all ways. I think it possible.

Xev: Do elaborate


Certainly.
Assuming that my lover is a 'placeholder' that makes me a fucking backup plan. An expendible.

The 'need' for love is a selfish joke. That's neither need nor passion. Its onanism.

But a ........'lover' that is an equal:

I'm not talking the Hallmark bullshit of Valentine's day.
I'm not talking power hungry escapades.

I'm talking about letting someone in in spite of a thirst for freedom. Someone that touches you and you can't do shit about it.

I'm hopelessly secular. But Handel speaks to me.
I'm a cold 'bitch'. But I thaw to Rembrandt and Bach and Dvorak.
I'm angsty. But nature is beautiful.
I'm a bit callous. But Shakespeare touches me.
I'm a calculating little hellion, but I'm a pussy in an art museum.

Someone that touches me in that way will defy all my histories. Magic. I think it possible.

On a sidenote, I'd rather tie all the men up in a sac and beat the lies out of them......but I'm mostly saying that one or two in the bunch don't deserve it. Maybe.

Xev:
Never, ever give an enemy the satisfaction of knowing that they hurt you

Hear, hear.
Sing it! SING IT!!

And never ever let them know they were underestimated. Ever.
Docility is rudely mistaken for love and that is weakness.

Merc73:
Sounds like the ramblings of young Ted Bundy
Sounds like the ramblings of a newbie.

Have you a seat, spark up some neurons and read a thread past the first fucking post. Then reply.

Threadflirting is noxious.

So you wake up one day and you realize that you need your head examined.

What if you don't even understand yourself?
What if you don't even accept yourself?
Do you expect others to?

What's with this preoccupation with power?
Do you feel inferior?
Do people want to feel common?
Or do people want to feel significant?
Does it really make a difference?

Merc73:
I read the entire thread of comments.....

Nothing but a bunch of pseudo intellectual bantering back and forth.....much like most of what I've read here at Sciforums in my short stay....

The only thing worse than crunchy insults is a crunchy liar.
Your predictable rushing to misplace your 'psudos'........that's what's obnoxious.

You've been here so short of time but can see what is happening to those here easier than they can see themselves. Most talk allot but actualy say very little. I'm including myself with them also. To bad they can't have more constructive things to talk about but themselves........

Anyone ever heard of posting shit for the discussion it may generate? If you feel a thread is beneath you for it is inane or littered with "pseudo-intellectuals", simply avoid it. A comparison to Ted Bundy? Simply because you say I thirst for power and cannot have it?and companionship.... Normally I would dismiss your post, but I hate generalizations and sensasionalistic compares just for the sake controversy and the like.

It all boils down to this: the hed loves politics. The hed thinks there are morons running his country. The hed is good at politics to an extent-- behind the scenes or in front. The hed seeks isolation from those who can really know him for he does not want them to know that side-- just yet. The hed can love and has loved but has up to now placed always a barrier. The hed is thinking whether to break the barrier. The hed posts this shit on the net for to see how people will respond for two reasons. Reasons the hed does not present for it is irrelevant to reader of the thread.

The hed does not care for posts on his thread that are inane. The hed is getting bored typing this shit for it is annoying for the hed to always have to explain shit that should be evident. The hed also sees nothing here that implies pseudo intellectualism for the content of the thread does not encourage it. The hed cordially beseech you to leave childish banter to other threads.

I read the first 4 or 5 posts, skimmed past the last two noting that they were flames. And am now going to post what I was going to post anyway after reading the first post.

I'm in love. This, for me, is a terrible situation. For it is in my blood to manipulate, to control. I play humans like puppets and I use emotion to cloud my hands as they pull the strings. Now I find myself actually caring about someone. I want to be close to this person, for she's the most beautiful and intelligent girl I've ever met. And yet I know that if I get close I won't be able to help but manipulate her like I do everyone else in my life. And now I even tried to push her away, to tell her what a lying manipulative bastard I am. I told her how I've manipulated her already. How I lied and hid things from her. And she forgave me. She won't let me save her from me, and I can't even save me from myself. This is my hell.

Angelus:
How I lied and hid things from her. And she forgave me. She won't let me save her from me, and I can't even save me from myself. This is my hell.

*Pulls out a hankie and sobs theatrically*
Sorry dude, but your type annoys me to no end. You make other's lives a living hell, and then complain that nobody wuuuuvs you.
Well gee, why could that be?

This isn't really the place to pretend to be Wotan in "Das Rheingold", mmkay?

gendanken:
Sure enough, but do remember this is a measly forum. How else to go about it? Pronouns?

Interpretive dance using ascii.

But a ........'lover' that is an equal:

Then you fuck yourself over trying to let them in.
I understand what you're saying - one does occasionally meet people who seem worth it.

On a sidenote, I'd rather tie all the men up in a sac and beat the lies out of them......but I'm mostly saying that one or two in the bunch don't deserve it. Maybe.

I'll second this.

And never ever let them know they were underestimated. Ever.
Docility is rudely mistaken for love and that is weakness.

Ach, you mistake me. It's not true docility, but the willingness to "go so far".

I do not make other's lives living hells. I'm not complaining no one "wuuuuvs" me. I'm complaining that they care too much about me to leave my life. Even when I assert it would be better for them if they do. Don't mistake me, I crave love. But I've decided that I can never be with someone I love, because I will manipulate them before even thinking about it, and I don't want to do that to someone I love. Mayhaps your bitter there is no one in your life that would stay if you told them to go?

Angelus:
And I'm calling it bullshit. Either you are the person you described, in which case you are a hypocrite (as nobody needs to manipulate others - unless they are astonishingly weak) or you are simply posing as such a person because you would like to be the sort of callous, Machiavellian type that is sucessful in the world.

And nah, I'm bitter because as I said, I've experienced the type. "Please don't get to close to me" is a tease.

Ultimately, we do not want to manipulate those we care about. Manipulatating them is a sign of indifference, not a dilemna between being a natural manipulater and loving such and such a person.

That said, the subject is fascinating. As Ted Kaczynski noted, the fact that manipulating others is seen as a power process shows just how oversocialized we've become.

-Edit-
Kaczynski.

Originally posted by Xev
(as nobody needs to manipulate others - unless they are astonishingly weak)

You hit the head on the nail my dear. I am astonishingly weak. When your father beats you until you confess to something you never did, you learn very early in life that truth holds little value for survival. When by ten you realize there is no god, but still kneel in the pew at church, you learn that intellectual values hold little value for survival. I manipulate because I have been taught that to survive I must. And unfourtanately I'm as victim to the evolutionary urge of survival as the next being.

Originally posted by merc73
Never underestimate yourself!

I try not to. And when I see your posts it makes it very easy to overestimate myself.

Originally posted by merc73
That is some ego you're sportin' there!

Merely stating fact.

Originally posted by merc73
Besides the tax collector you mean?

Sure there is, but your question is based on the false premise that I would willingly do harm to those I love.....I wouldn't.....you would....

You are lucky top have anyone that cares.

That question was not directed at you.

Angelus:
You hit the head on the nail my dear. I am astonishingly weak. When your father beats you until you confess to something you never did, you learn very early in life that truth holds little value for survival. When by ten you realize there is no god, but still kneel in the pew at church, you learn that intellectual values hold little value for survival. I manipulate because I have been taught that to survive I must. And unfourtanately I'm as victim to the evolutionary urge of survival as the next being.

Okay, we've firmly established that you're a victim.
One doesn't manipulate because it's second nature. Second nature can be overcome in one blinding, hellish flash of honesty. You tell them everything and for a little while, you can be sure that they're safe.

But no sane person would ever take that risk. So you may well be in hell, but you're in a hell that you chose.

One manipulates because it's safer.

It's not simply that she won't go away. You don't want her to go away. And dollars to dimes if you can't keep yourself from hurting her, you'll have yourself convinced that it's really the best thing for her. I think I know you.

Originally posted by Xev
I think I know you.

At least one of us does. You're right though, I don't want her to go away. And I'm going to do everything in my power to never lie to her again. As one scorpio to another, I'd like to say this was an enlightening argument. I'll see you elsewhere. But I think I'll withdraw from this thread.

And nah, I'm bitter because as I said, I've experienced the type. "Please don't get to close to me" is a tease.
I had gathered this about you from earlier posts. But you see, you will always--unless you change, attract that type. This is because you seem like a challenge, and this trust me is very very attractive to those fucked up like me. The inherent problem is that you aren't really a challenge and that under the harderned facade, you are weak and I want to be loved. It is fucked up but that is how it works, and your tormenter knows this too.

Three ways to counter really:
1. be a challenge by placing a barrier, which kills a part of you and thus is unadvisable.

2. Take the next bumbling fool who is intelligent and mold him. After three or two tries,you may get a life partner. But this will never satisfy you, for you ultimately control. You may even start to manipulate... This isnot good

3. Shoot the next fucker

But really, accept things as they are and hope the next one will understand their perversed nature and always check themselves.


And no, wanting to manipulate or control has at times nothing to do with weakness. Some are just born that way or other social factors contribute.

Don't mind me my dears, but what I wrote was an epiphany. For myself only. Allow me another post to make love to my psyche by posting it again. You don't have to respond.



I'm not talking the Hallmark bullshit of Valentine's day.
I'm not talking power hungry escapades.

I'm talking about letting someone in in spite of a thirst for freedom. Someone that touches you and you can't do shit about it.

I'm hopelessly secular. But Handel speaks to me.
I'm a cold 'bitch'. But I thaw to Rembrandt and Bach and Dvorak.
I'm angsty. But nature is beautiful.
I'm a bit callous. But Shakespeare touches me.
I'm a calculating little hellion, but I'm a pussy in an art museum.

Someone that touches me in that way will defy all my histories. Magic. I think it possible.



(shivering)

Angelus:
I even tried to push her away, to tell her what a lying manipulative bastard I am. I told her how I've manipulated her already. How I lied and hid things from her. And she forgave me. She won't let me save her from me, and I can't even save me from myself. This is my hell.
I've got an itch to call you an asshole and since you'll be withdrawing from this thread I'll indulge.

asshole

But you've called out your faults on your own. Good luck in your blooming- here's hoping your girly can stomach a whino.

Xev:
And dollars to dimes if you can't keep yourself from hurting her, you'll have yourself convinced that it's really the best thing for her. I think I know you.
I think you do. I think I do too. Had a few in my stash before.

And they're the ugliest brand, yes?

Merc:
Crunchy underwear is worse than a crunchy liar. What about that.....
Hmmmm..............

Fountainboy:
Take the next bumbling fool who is intelligent and mold him. After three or two tries,you may get a life partner. But this will never satisfy you, for you ultimately control. You may even start to manipulate... This isnot good

"Molding" is your folly.

The wanting in wanting to manipulate implies a lack somewhere. The power hungry have holes they're rather you not know are there.

Self imposed anything, barriers or arrogance, is posing. And if that is your only means to another this path is a road to nowhere.

Come now. I withdrew from my discussion with Xev, but this is a whole new challenge. First off, the whino bit. If you mean whino in the conventional sense your sadly mistaken. I rarely partake in alcohol, occasionally partake in marijuana, and am only a casual smoker(of cigarrettes). If you meant whino as in whining, you may have something, sometimes I do consider myself overly emotional with a tendency maybe not to whine, but to use my behavior to draw pity or sympathy. I try to keep this in check as much as possible however.

Now my dear fellow poet,
you hurt me and I think you know it.
I leave this thread, a fond ado.
I'd never of entered if only I'd knew.

gendy...
"wanting"...I think I already discussed this with Xev. It is a need and want. Something lacking? Who knows, maybe subconsciuosly, but consciously, no. An again do not generalize so much. The barrier mentioned is not way to get to someone, but rather as protection for the other. This has been mentioned more than once.

Angelus:
At least one of us does. You're right though, I don't want her to go away. And I'm going to do everything in my power to never lie to her again. As one scorpio to another, I'd like to say this was an enlightening argument. I'll see you elsewhere. But I think I'll withdraw from this thread.

Bah, you almost were interesting.
See you around.

fountainhed:
Hence I say to break the windows. I grew up spending hours with my hands balled into fists and telling myself that I could not, under any circumstances, cry or be weak.
One learns to be the ice, but ice isn't my nature.

This is because you seem like a challenge, and this trust me is very very attractive to those fucked up like me. The inherent problem is that you aren't really a challenge and that under the harderned facade, you are weak and I want to be loved. It is fucked up but that is how it works, and your tormenter knows this too.

You really do want to be loved, don't you? It sounds so trite to say - but I think we all do. Is it simply that we're bred on romantic love or is it something more profound?

God, let's fucking hope it's the former.

But don't you see that we're doing the same thing, more or less? You've embraced your nature as a manipulator - even exaggerated it. Why? Because not manipulating means you're weak.

You have the same dilemna as I.

But really, accept things as they are and hope the next one will understand their perversed nature and always check themselves.

*Smiles ruefully*
If I ever found out that I'd been accorded mercy, I'd rip my erstwhile benefactor's throat out.

gendanken:
I think you do. I think I do too. Had a few in my stash before.

And they're the ugliest brand, yes?

I accept certain things, provided I understand them. It's dishonesty that I can't stand.
Information is god.

Angelus:
If you meant whino as in whining, you may have something, sometimes I do consider myself overly emotional with a tendency maybe not to whine, but to use my behavior to draw pity or sympathy. I try to keep this in check as much as possible however.


Yes, I meant 'whine' as in a dying cat. And your emotional quirks are very Protestant. Something to do with suburbanite-in-love-and-a-tortured-artist kind of shindig. Please keep it in check.


And nice, entwined this here we meet
hast parted once, this poet Angelus, but twice more sweet.

Farewell.

Xev:
If I ever found out that I'd been accorded mercy, I'd rip my erstwhile benefactor's throat out.

"Pity" love, so cheap. Cut the throat and then rip out his balls through his abdomen. And yes 'balls' because its always going to be a fucking male on his high horse thinking he's good enough to show clemency. Whatever.

Information is god.
Nope. Its a godess. With claws. Ha.

gendanken:
Yes, I meant 'whine' as in a dying cat. And your emotional quirks are very Protestant. Something to do with suburbanite-in-love-and-a-tortured-artist kind of shindig. Please keep it in check.

Be nice, he's doing a decent impression of a sadistic Andrew Eldritch.

Sing dream child
And do you hear at all?
Hey now, hey now now now...

"Pity" love, so cheap. Cut the throat and then rip out his balls through his abdomen. And yes 'balls' because its always going to be a fucking male on his high horse thinking he's good enough to show clemency. Whatever.

You've got it down. Mercy is the lie of those too weak to actually try to hurt someone.
Bah.
Fucking.
Humbug.
Being patronized only raises instinctive hackles, yes? Ultimately, you know *why* they're feigning compassion.

Xev:
Andrew Eldritch

hahahah...........HA motherfucking Ha. Wheeze.

Thank you.
Mercy is the lie of those too weak to actually try to hurt someone.

Sing it.

Being patronized only raises instinctive hackles, yes?
Yes. And getting called out so automatically makes you a bitch in their book. That word, oh that word, how easy these pukes are with that 'b' word when up against a volcano. Yes?

In a word: debil
In another: perros

gendanken:
Yes. And getting called out so automatically makes you a bitch in their book. That word, oh that word, how easy these pukes are with that 'b' word when up against a volcano. Yes?

'Course. Insecurity reigns. Drag one of those macho types that open doors and do annoying shit on a real date, and watch him run screaming from the hint of any conflict. That's some funny shit right there.

But complain about what fucking morons they are and you're a feminazi bitch.

*Xev nods sleepily, murmering "kill them all" at intervals*