Damn

And then are born again child!
well....with any bloody luck.

No you don't. "You" were an illusion that never existed in the first place.

It's not that bad mate, life has been doing for years. Possibly before you and I were ever born (to die of course). smile :)

thats a big possibility yeah,

but its not 100% certain, as a human you shouldent go getting ahead of yourself, we dont really know anything about the universe (no matter howmuch we think we know) we still are pretty much in the dark when it comes down to the universes creation, and things beyond us such as eternal energy sources etc,


but yeah dont believe there will be nothing so hard, because for all you know it might be the thought of non existance that makes you non existant in death, maybe you choose your existance with consciouse thought, and abstract "awareness" who knows,



i dont believe anything really, ile just observe and wait and see, i wont go pretending i know about this 100%, so just be open.


but also accept that its possible for there to be nothing ofcourse,


peace.

No you don't. "You" were an illusion that never existed in the first place.

WINNER: self negating statement award.

I'd congratulate you if you weren't so damned fictitious.

EFOC, yeah, I concur wholeheartedly.

It's silly to me that people tend to presume one way or another. Pretty amusing really.

Ah, the vanity.

I know!

Hehe.

I love that. It's so cute that we think we know! Bold even. I respect the spirit of the proclamation, and the feeling when I think I know about whatever.

Ah so human to know!

Knowing is both empty and full.

It's an illusion.

It's everything you know.

Superposition is too cool.

Meh I'm so sleepy and flaky ATM.

fleh.

I remember waking from a dream once and knowing that dreams are what it's like to be dead.

i have had simular thoughts about that, maybe thats what its like to be dead, just existing in that kind of way, who knows,


logic comes to mind,


claims of logical process of thought, hmm its not very logical to assume about such extream matters that we really dont know about,


the ego gets ahead of itself sometimes dosent it, why do we have to know it all, and even when we dont know it all pretend to know it all, thats the worst of all, "pretending" to know, even pretending to yourself that you know,


when ofcourse when it comes down to the core,

humans dont really know squat about the universe,


we have 5 senses, we dont have all knowing all seeing godlike knowledge. well i might, but none of you do.

peace.

Human can never know a damned thing about the universe... however, we can know a crapload about our model of it, and fairly estimate the effectiveness of the model in terms of satisfying whatever is desired from manipulating it.

A model is all you have to go on if you're thinking.

If you're being there's nothing to think about, so "effectiveness", "knowing", etc... doesn't exist to you then.

Imagine this:

It is VERY possible in the future we will create a life form and then we will give it some place to exist while we observe it. We become fond of our little life forms, and interfere with their existnace from time to tiome, although the big plan is to let them get on with it and see what happens. We may have SOOOOOOO many life forms we have to hire others to do the viewing. They may also interfere in our little life forms lives, even though against the rules!

ok, this is entirely feasible as we are already trying to do it!

So................if its possible then now we must accept its possible its already been done.

Perhaps its already been done and we are THOSE lifeforms.

God, Gods are our scientist creators, sometimes they interfere sometimes they don't, sometimes they answer our prayers sometimes they don't. Just like we sometimes would, sometimes would not, as we have other stuff to do outside of our observational duties! Explains a lot ay? Or not? Who knows. My petri dish needs changing.

That makes great sense, ToR. And it's fuckin' great food for thought.

I'm glad you think so Illuminating one, It would explain a lot and no one can say its not possible as soon we'll make it possible ourselves, so clearly it is! God exists!!!! as do his co-workers!

Oh, gee, I really, really like that thought. What if we are just the biology project of some pre-historic 6th graders. Everyone in the class had to make a universe that is capable of evolving, or else they wouldn't pass.

Or... maybe it's the buddhist-fighter-scifi-monks of Himalaya. :D

Oh, gee, I really, really like that thought. What if we are just the biology project of some pre-historic 6th graders. Everyone in the class had to make a universe that is capable of evolving, or else they wouldn't pass.

Or... maybe it's the buddhist-fighter-scifi-monks of Himalaya. :D

you look at some of the crazy species we have and it is MOST likely a giant school project!!! Take the platepus! What went wrong there? They got a fail for sure!

Or the hippopotamus. :D

I guess the one who invented the human got a gold star and maybe a special certificate, although now we humans are detsroying the whole project (Project Earth)their name is now graffiti in school playground!!!

It's obvious that it's the class bully that created this universe, and he is into religions, empires and armies and such. I don't think he really gives a fuck about the grade, he's doing it for the laughs.

hey there's a thought, just to spice it up a bit, some observers few dicated a few 'rules', little did they know how those rules would turn out hey??? Meanwhile i've now added this idea to religious thread, with 'proof god exists' title! lol so check it out there!!!

Just think, when we create world, and we want to give it religion, how do we do it?
The most creative person in class (doing media studies, perhaps drama class) says, oooh music action, drama, virgin bride, stars, angels, few wise men, animals 9kids like animals) how fabulous! imagine Christianities birth was a musical to the boys upstairs!

Lol :D I'll check out the other thread. Maybe more participants. :D

sometimes i think that would be nice

So much for the meaning of life, though...

well, the meaning of life whatever you feel that is could also be part of the design? Intergration after death into their world?

Well, perhaps. After all, 'they gave us laws', and many, many of the laws are universal, and can be considered like steps of personal evolvement. The Holy writings are wise, if lived and interpreted right.

on a serious note, I KNOW something is interfering in my life (and those around me, I see it all the time) this may be an explanation? maybe not, but there is something illuminated one, of that I can assure you :)

Sci-forums 'nothing exists beyond' group can sod off! Don't be jumping on my bones!

on the intergration into their world theme, maybe thats why we were created, they failed to reproduce and need to repopulate. but as theya re more evolved, so do we need to be, so we keep existing here in diffrent forms (reincarnation etc) until ready to join their world and live among them? Could go on theorising this for hours, once the basic idea is possible its all possible :)

yea who knows right
but i mean unless we have proof we know nothing
not that we shouldn't have theories though don't get me wrong
just from my experience i think unless every possible is covered then anything can still change, whether it is that way or not

When you die you'll know exactly what happens ;)

You know before we discovered America, we may have denied its existance or failed to comprehend its existance, but the fact remains it existed. Yes we found our proof, took a long time though ay?

There are many things outside the realm of sciences ability to prove/disprove, we are limited by our current thinking/techniques and knowledge, science is NOT God? To presume Science has the answers to everything is to make it so!

One can neither prove not disprove God, neither prove nor disporve what happens after death with respect to any 'soul' oif you beleive one exists. We do know however that our body will decompose and break into smaller and smaller parts, those smaller parts will be consumed by other living things and thus become living matter again.

Nothing therefore ever really dies?

That's kind of a hard thing to think about I guess. "when you die you die." I can't get to bothered by it though because I believe in an Afterlife (for better for worse) so I can't exactly see life with an end. It's hard to imagine I mean.

you look at some of the crazy species we have and it is MOST likely a giant school project!!! Take the platepus! What went wrong there? They got a fail for sure!
There was a book called "The Homeward Bounders" where demons controlled the world, but it was more of a wargame than a science project...

To analyse what happens to you when you die, you would have to analyse what "Life is".

Afterall death is life being taken away, so you could say that death is "Oblivion" which to some means nothing, but to others was the birthplace of everything.

When you die, you are still part of the amazing thing that we call nature. You are just no longer you. All of the biological artifacts that make up what you define as you are returned to natures clay. You will never be you again, but nature will live on and therefore you will live on.

Death could actually be life, and this existance we are now experiencing is the pre-birth?

If you believe that the 'dream' of 'self' is reality,
that the 'illusion of life' is reality,
that the 'illusion of existence' is 'reality',
so you'll be likely to believe that the 'illusion of death' is likewise 'real'.
The fear and trepidation thereby produced will certainly seem 'real' to you, too!

'Disilusionment' is forestalled by harboring no 'illusions'.

theoryofrelativity n illuminatingtherapy : these superior beings who created us..who created them? why r they there in the 1st place? what is the meaning of their existence?
or maybe a being superior to them created them..we could go on..thats a flaw there..
but i used to fancy this when i was 10..

dream of what you want your other life to be and that life should be that dream without you remembering it.

Have yourself cryonically frozen at death and there is a chance that you will be revived 50, 100, 200 years from now and will live for eternity. It's possible.

I just heard on the news of a rich man and his wife who had themselves frozen to extend their lives. (God obviously liked them better to have made them rich, and as such, should live longer than the rest of us whom god obviously didnt like as much!). Their son was saddled with the responsibility of maintaining the equipment. He 'oopsed' one day, they melted, and no one ended living forever. Hahahahha...
What kind of person wants to live forever anyway? Most have enough trouble just being 'Here/Now'!

I just heard on the news of a rich man and his wife who had themselves frozen to extend their lives. (God obviously liked them better to have made them rich, and as such, should live longer than the rest of us whom god obviously didnt like as much!). Their son was saddled with the responsibility of maintaining the equipment. He 'oopsed' one day, they melted, and no one ended living forever. Hahahahha...In France. Their system depended on a generator and electricity. Most places in America use liquid nitrogen (which requires no electricity) and are run as non-profit organizations, some of which set up trust funds to ensure you are taken care of. Of course, there is always the risk that ignorant religious idiots will resort to terrorism or legal action to ensure that their rights take precedence over the rights of the logical. At the Cryonics Institute in Michigan, it only costs $28,000 to freeze your whole body until the day you are able to be revived.
What kind of person wants to live forever anyway? Most have enough trouble just being 'Here/Now'!That's why I want to be frozen. I think that in the future, there will be many answers to social and economic problems that we face today. I think life will be much more enjoyable. Trust me, I hate life today.

I think that in the future, there will be many answers to social and economic problems that we face today. I think life will be much more enjoyable. Trust me, I hate life today.
Cottontop, I hear you. But, I think that the saying "no matter where (or 'when') you go, ... there you are!" might be applicable here.
Which also brings "we don't see 'things' (or people!) as they are, we see them as we are!" to mind.
Perhaps the real work, here, now, is to learn to love yourself! To access that which has always been there within, 'compassion', 'beauty', 'elegance', etc...
Standing in the 'place of beauty within', one can see nothing but beauty wherever one sees. Accessing one's inner 'grace', one sees 'grace' everywhere.
Perhaps making a thorough list of all about 'life' that you hate might be wise. Then, look in the mirror and, one at a time, see everything on that list. When the denial mechanism has been reasonably disabled, learn to accept and love 'that' which is also part of you. There is no human ugliness that is not inherent in each of us, nor any human beauty! That is our totality and it can be wholistically loved!
'Gods denied are demons born.'
Don't run, dude, fight the good fight.
A finer truth has not been expressed than, 'heaven is at hand!'

Thanks nameless. I'm working on it. :) I still want to see the year 3000.

Careful what you ask for, my friend.
Namaste'

I'll take the chance at immortality.

You know that it is Loki that 'answers' these 'requests', right?
For instance, imagine 'immortality' with 'irritable bowel syndrome'?
Migraines?
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I'm sure there will be a permanent cure for both of those by the year 2200. Hell, most likely, if I mention either one to anyone, they'll look at me like I'm an alien and say, "What the hell are migraines?" Also, I'm not really a viking.

Some folks just need to learn the hard way. (Hm, I think that applies to me! too! Hahahaha...)
You don't have to be a Viking. The METAPHOR works anyway!
Happy landings...

theoryofrelativity n illuminatingtherapy : these superior beings who created us..who created them? why r they there in the 1st place? what is the meaning of their existence?
or maybe a being superior to them created them..we could go on..thats a flaw there..
but i used to fancy this when i was 10..

where did the first gas that contributed to the big bang come from? And the first atom? and the first and the frist and the first,

if you believe in God

Where did God come from, where did the thing before God come from, where did the ..

whatever your idea of how 'this' all started, we could could go on about it forever, yep, I had these thoughts when I was 10 or so

If you believe that the 'dream' of 'self' is reality,
that the 'illusion of life' is reality,
that the 'illusion of existence' is 'reality',
so you'll be likely to believe that the 'illusion of death' is likewise 'real'.
The fear and trepidation thereby produced will certainly seem 'real' to you, too!

'Disilusionment' is forestalled by harboring no 'illusions'.

I have no fear of death? wonder why that is

I have no fear of death? wonder why that is
I guess that would be for you to answer the 'why', if your statement is true.
I could not speculate on the 'why' as I cannot discern the truthfulness of the initial statement (given).
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It's part of her own personal psychosis.

I find that 'life experience' tends to put the 'lie' to many such bold and brash affirmations.

Ask her what she thinks.

I find that 'life experience' tends to put the 'lie' to many such bold and brash affirmations.

Why is it bold? and no it's no lie, and I do know why it is I do not fear it. It's to do with my belief system, which basically is that 'death' is not the end, rather more the beginning of something else. And even if death were the end, I would be none the wiser (as dead) so again what is to fear?

The question mark is my pondering why not fearing death is questioned.
Just as you don't understand my non fear, I don't understand your fear. It is afterall inevitable.

Why is it bold? and no it's no lie, and I do know why it is I do not fear it. It's to do with my belief system, which basically is that 'death' is not the end, rather more the beginning of something else. And even if death were the end, I would be none the wiser (as dead) so again what is to fear?
OK, that makes sense. You hold religious beliefs. They seem to hold together better when young, though. Again, the only true test is how we ultimately face death. Proof in the puddin'...
I do find, that through the years, as 'death' looms larger, as beliefs are put to the test, often they are found to be built upon the sand...
Again, why I said that only you can ponder that question with any 'knowledge', considering the temporal element..


I don't understand your fear.
I don't recall mentioning any.
You 'presume'...
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OK, that makes sense. You hold religious beliefs. They seem to hold together better when young, though. Again, the only true test is how we ultimately face death. Proof in the puddin'...
I do find, that through the years, as 'death' looms larger, as beliefs are put to the test, often they are found to be built upon the sand...
Again, why I said that only you can ponder that question with any 'knowledge', considering the temporal element..



I don't recall mentioning any.
You 'presume'...
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I hold no religious beliefs.
Meanwhile re test thing, interesting, as I have been put to the test a few times. I fought for my life, not because I feared death but becuase I enjoy life, there is a difference I believe.

I hold no religious beliefs.
Perhaps I was presumptuous with the 'religious' comment, but it is a 'belief', a matter of personal 'faith' nonetheless. Neither you nor anyone has been back from the dead. And 'near death' experiences don't count. So, due to lack of 'evidence', I would qualify it as a 'belief'.
Meanwhile re test thing, interesting, as I have been put to the test a few times. I fought for my life, not because I feared death but becuase I enjoy life, there is a difference I believe.
If you say so...
I enjoy pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't 'fight' for it.

I enjoy pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't 'fight' for it.

I pity you the fact that your life means no more to you than Pumpkin pie.

It is the way of life to avoid death.

It is the way of life to avoid death.
quite!

It is the way of pumpkin pie to eat it!

I pity you the fact that your life means no more to you than Pumpkin pie.
First, this is a poor way to avoid the point I was making.
It is natural to think that the more you speak of valuing 'life', the more distasteful the 'concept of death'. At what point does 'distaste' become full blown 'fear?

Secundus, 'pity' is nothing more than a vain act of ego. 'Pity' says, "too bad that you cant be like I am! I am better than you and its too bad that you can't be like me! As wealthy as me, as healthy as me, as pretty as me, as intelligent, correct, etc...."
To sharpen your 'vanity' on another (the victim of your 'pity') is sadistic and completely self-serving (read; selfish and inconsiderate). Perhaps you are already aware of this?
On the other hand, this sort of 'defensive' behavior is relatively common when the object of denial is brought to 'light'.

It is the way of life to avoid death.
Short and to the point.
And totally incorrect, from my perspective.

A 'life' spent in the avoidance of 'death' is only a 'poor shadow life', 'not-lived' consciously but through a glass darkly.

Is the way of life not to 'live'?

If 'life' is an avoidance of something, then it is not a 'life' but an avoidance, eh? By definition?
Not an act of 'living' but an act of 'avoiding'?
Not living in the reality of the 'Here/Now', but in a 'fantasy concept' of some possible (non-existent) 'future'?
Dreams within dreams....

Short and to the point.
And totally incorrect, from my perspective.

Oh?

A 'life' spent in the avoidance of 'death' is only a 'poor shadow life', 'not-lived' consciously but through a glass darkly.

So you take my words to mean that is all life can be?

One is not necessarily constantly threatened with death. When death knocks however, or if it occurs to one that death may be threatening... it is the way of life to avoid death.

Do you think the "survival instinct" is bullshit or something?

Fear is, IMO, a primal motivator to avoid death. Of course to you it's fantasy - just another part of the dream. As you wish. I personally find your "dream within a dream" stuff generally useless - though occasionally enlightening regarding this or that. Regardless, I said "it is the way of life to avoid death" as it seems nature generally programs life to do so if there is choice involved.

At this moment, I do not at all fear death. That does not at all mean however, that were this moment to involve a near collision with another vehicle at a high rate of speed, I wouldn't have a strong impulse to avoid that vehicle, and the death or severe injury that would likely result. If your point stands, you shouldn't care one way or the other.

I think you do.

Is the way of life not to 'live'?

Avoiding death is to remain alive. If by your standard that doesn't cut it, I'd surmise you're judging what it means to live which IMO, is not at question.

If 'life' is an avoidance of something, then it is not a 'life' but an avoidance, eh? By definition?

If you're dead, you're not alive. Simple. Again, your judgement of what it means to live isn't necessarily pertinent to anyone who isn't you.

Not an act of 'living' but an act of 'avoiding'?

Again, to remain alive, you have to avoid death when it's presented as likely. As one is not necessarily always in such a state, there can be much more to it. If you don't believe me, next time you're about to die in traffic... just die. Then try to come back here and discuss this from your newfound perspective please.

Not living in the reality of the 'Here/Now', but in a 'fantasy concept' of some possible (non-existent) 'future'?

? You're making it complicated because of your apparent need to judge how people live and think.

Dreams within dreams....

As you wish. Why not just die then and spare us from your judgement? I do not wish you dead. But since you don't care to avoid death, why live? Why dream? Why speak? Why anything?

I'm not defending TOR, rather.. trying to make a point about judgement and humility.


Secundus, 'pity' is nothing more than a vain act of ego.

Oh? There is a ring of truth to what you say, but what of this judgement upon it? Is it more than vanity? You're as vain as she in your judgement of her ego. Do you know her heart? Are you sure of her vanity? Are you as you said "seeing her through yourself" and judging her by your standard? In your post here, your vanity is no less than hers.

'Pity' says, "too bad that you cant be like I am! I am better than you and its too bad that you can't be like me! As wealthy as me, as healthy as me, as pretty as me, as intelligent, correct, etc...."

Ah, yes. How greivous it is to pity a man who is starving, or a deer hit by a car. How shameful an act of ego to feel you relate to another and wish to help them. Your condescending judgement about the ego of others is terrifically hypocritical. I salute you. Where the fuck is your humility, oh he who has no name? Do you reserve your name because you lack ego, or because you seek the power you find in anonymity? Only the dead are truly nameless, nameless.

To sharpen your 'vanity' on another (the victim of your 'pity') is sadistic and completely self-serving (read; selfish and inconsiderate). Perhaps you are already aware of this?

Oh what a sin to serve thyself. Oh how he who delivers the message sinned in doing so.

On the other hand, this sort of 'defensive' behavior is relatively common when the object of denial is brought to 'light'.

LOL. Honestly? I took the point to be "I feel pity for an animal that lacks the will to survive". That one might feel such a thing does not characterize one's entire perspective of reality, but can represent that for a moment, they attempted to relate to the position in which they see the object of their comment and did not enjoy the thought. I think your analysis is nothing more than your ego taking a dump after being threated by that to which you've analyzed must be wrong, without ever stopping to consider the possibility you might be wrong. A conceptual knee-jerk reaction, spitting on that which offends you, labelling it something you know to be bad and smiting it with your mind to fit it into your dream.

*sigh*

Vanity? You reek of it.

Of course I might be wrong.

Oh? So you take my words to mean that is all life can be?
I just responded to your words, which were, "It is the way of life to avoid death."
You didn't say 'a way' indicating a 'facet' of the totality, but THE WAY which indicates considerably more than 'a' facet, more in the way of an 'imperative' of the totality. So I responded to your words.
Should you like to re-state them...

One is not necessarily constantly threatened with death. When death knocks however, or if it occurs to one that death may be threatening... it is the way of life to avoid death.
Perspective. The 'way' of 'life' is to 'live'. At any moment, 'living' can be perspectivally interperted as 'avoiding death', but that is one 'interpertation' away from 'living life'. Are you not seeing what I am saying?

Do you think the "survival instinct" is bullshit or something?
It definitely has use, as the sub-program it is, in enabling (at times) 'life' to be 'lived'. And this 'instinct' can be euthanized by 'understanding', by 'knowledge', as can the 'instinct' to 'not suffer an enemy to live'.

Fear is, IMO, a primal motivator to avoid death.
Fear of death. True and fine on an animalistic, atavistic level. Is that level something to strive for as 'a' way of life? It displays no understanding at all of 'life' though. I guess whatever works for one, at whatever level of understanding one 'enjoys'... Ignorance is always painful and generational of fear. I think that the atavistic 'hard wiring' is for those with nothing 'higher' to replace it.

At this moment, I do not at all fear death.
Perhaps because 'at this moment' you do not have to smell it's 'fetid breath' up close?

That does not at all mean however, that were this moment to involve a near collision with another vehicle at a high rate of speed, I wouldn't have a strong impulse to avoid that vehicle, and the death or severe injury that would likely result. If your point stands, you shouldn't care one way or the other.
Right.
The way of 'life' is to 'live'.
A subset of 'living' is the reasonable avoidance of 'death'.

Bye the way, your rant on your 'projected judgementalism' is both spurious and totally irrevelent. Why the emotionally defensive reaction? Whats up with that?

.

cor, I must add myself to your fan list

"Bye the way, your rant on your 'projected judgementalism' is both spurious and totally irrevelent"

How is it less relevant than your own?

How is it less relevant than your own?
Yes dear.
Enjoy your new fan.
She thinks like you do.
Enough.
Bye...
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Nameless is all ego and contrary. If I had said I feared death I guarrantee every response would have been exact opposing to view to that he has presently expressed.

Sausages and bacon Nameless are nice but not worth losing a limb over, you may have my sausages....now ponder on that wise friend.

I just responded to your words, which were, "It is the way of life to avoid death."
You didn't say 'a way' indicating a 'facet' of the totality, but THE WAY which indicates considerably more than 'a' facet, more in the way of an 'imperative' of the totality. So I responded to your words.
Should you like to re-state them...

No, I'll stick with the way it was stated.

If you'd apply your own perspective of time you'd see your incorrect understanding of the statement.

Since there exists no other time than now, one wouldn't have to avoid death if they were not presented with it... no? It IS the way of life to avoid death. Simple. You don't have to bother when you're not faced with it. Hence, overeating and smoking. *shrug*

As such, you simply missapplied the statement.

Yes dear.
Enjoy your new fan.
She thinks like you do.
Enough.
Bye...
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I do I do! I am just much less eloquent, it's a 'Brummy thing' my reply would have much more brief, as in, 'nameless you are talking crap'. :)

"Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle....
twist, twitch and turn,

Oh my."
Bye bye

Yes dear.
Enjoy your new fan.
She thinks like you do.
Enough.
Bye...
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I my message was intended for my "fan", I would have addressed it to her instead of you.

I'm a person. I have a name. When I feel strongly enough to type something, I do. When I read what you wrote, it made me feel strongly that you're terrifically vane, hypocritical and that you completely lack humility or understanding. It made me think you fail to contemplate the possibility of your own misperception or crap for judgment - as all humans seem to experience at least occasionally.

Bah.

Ignore it as you wish. Maintain your anonymity. Deny your humanity and just lose yourself in your dream, dreamer.

Actually, according to your tortured logic, if there were nothing but 'now', you could not avoid death. You live one moment, and do not the next. Death cannot at all be avoided. Life can just be lived. I've said what I have to say and leave this thread to y'all.

'nameless you are talking crap'.
And with THAT thorough refutation...
Hahahahah...
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Actually, according to your tortured logic, if there were nothing but 'now', you could not avoid death. You live one moment, and do not the next. Death cannot at all be avoided. Life can just be lived. I've said what I have to say and leave this thread to y'all.

Thing is Nameless, you and I know that you like to tango with me, especially as I lack your eloquence which of course makes you look good! Now along came Wes, very eloquent, said it all, (unexpected by you!) and thus your battle is lost, both to me, as I did not engage you and to wes, as his is the correct point. You do not mwish to argue with Wes, only moi.
Should I be flattered, no............get off this ego thing, I've heard it to the death now.

Nameless, when ToR gets like this, either ignore her or call her the psycho that she is.

And with THAT thorough refutation...
Hahahahah...
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lol, me laughing too, thorough refutation is not my style, especailly when it's plainly obvious :)

Nameless, when ToR gets like this, either ignore her or call her the psycho that she is.

When ToR gets like what? What is your problem? Have you skipped all the insults to me to the bit whrere I replied with 'crap'? What blindness do you suffer from cotton? Should I be abused and say nothing? Every bit of abuse you've seen me utter has been in reply to abuse.

You make me sick.

That's my objective. To make you sick.

That's my objective. To make you sick.

You have been particularly unpleasant to me cotton in many threads and without any justification or due cause, well I would say gloves off, but I really cannot be bothered. I tried to smooth the waters just for a pleasant ride and here you go again, you just can't put your hostile little self away can you. I shan't be so lame as to add you to ignore, but these are my last words to you. So spout as much as you like, it will fall on deaf ears hence forth, you are just plain nasty.

Actually, according to your tortured logic, if there were nothing but 'now', you could not avoid death. You live one moment, and do not the next. Death cannot at all be avoided. Life can just be lived. I've said what I have to say and leave this thread to y'all.

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Tortured logic eh?

hehe.

In this moment, I might presume there are more moments to come, or less... based on what I see happening in this moment. I might choose to act... in this moment, in a manner that seems will likely lead to more moments, if I see what is happening will lead to less.

Once you're dead, it's certain that death can't be avoided.

Meh.

Have a nice day eh?

On EGO..

I think the ultimate fallacy of ego is the belief, claim or implication that one is lacking thereof.

IMO, there is no greater fool than the one who claims they lack it. The claim is self negating. It is the height of ego to claim it lacking.

Wes, you show that you have no idea what an ego is, healthy or otherwise.
You sit behind your face and call me names and attack me.
Grow the fuck up. Get out some. Get laid.
If you dont like my words, please, feel free to ignore them. Tell you what, I'll not bother you by replying to your posts and you can ignore mine.
Geez.. you need some air dude!
Last words are yours.
God bless..
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Wes, you show that you have no idea what an ego is, healthy or otherwise.

Hehe. You can't be serious. If you are, well.. you're wrong. Cool by me. Think as you wish of course, but the flat statement exposes nothing except contempt. I surmise I've touched a nerve. If you don't like the argument, why not provide a counter instead of just telling me I'm stupid? Eh? Do you think the proclamation establishes itself?

How about this: You've shown that you have no fucking clue about people, life, or anything at all. You come across like an elitist hippy dufous who sucks off whatever swami's in style.

Should you believe me because I said that? Why then, participate in claims with zero analysis to demonstrate a remote point? Are you incapable? I've provided plenty of material for you to rebut, yet you worrry about who is a fan of who and claim you're done here multiple times, each time coming back to check that you've finally won whilst actually digging your own hole deeper. Perhaps you'll fall in if you stay. Perhaps you'll flee and pretend it never happened. It's all part of the dream right? So what does it matter? Have some class and do what you say. Fuck off, stand up for yourself or refute the points. Is this your version of "bowing out gracefully"?

You sit behind your face and call me names and attack me.

:) I attack your bullshit. I don't know of a "you" to attack, oh ye who lacks a name.

Grow the fuck up.

? Can you demonstrate the need, or are you just venting?

Get out some.

The fact is, I'm rarely home. Admittedly though, home is where I'd generally rather be. What do you think this "getting out" will do for me? Do you think if I were to "get out" I'd ignore posts of yours that I find to be full of shit? Do you really, really think so? If so, why?

Get laid.

Does it make you feel smarter or cooler to think that I can't or don't? Are you appealing to my ego to cut you some slack? Are you going to cut some for me? What about the others you attack? Your analysis of pity is fucking sophomoric and well, fucking inhuman. I'd think anyone analyzing the problem with half a brain would eventually reach your conclusion... and I'd think someone who puts on the air of wisdom you attempt to would understand that it's a load of elitist crap, entirely lacking of empathy or understanding. Catch a clue eh?

If you dont like my words, please, feel free to ignore them.

I don't think whether I like them or not has shit to do with whether or not you can defend yourself in this argument. The fact is, I laid out a pretty reasonable analysis of your bullshit and you've responded by evasion. Is that how you define maturity?

Tell you what, I'll not bother you by replying to your posts and you can ignore mine.

LOL. What the fuck is wrong with your brain man? I don't need a deal or to comprimise with you to respond however I feel is appropriate. You already said you were leaving this thread, yet you can't resist trying a petty, irresponsible, idiotic cheap shot like calling me immature and telling me to get laid. You're nameless. Youre' a fucking dream. You're nothing more than a fantasy. Why the hell would I need your permission to ignore you?

Geez.. you need some air dude!

But air is just a dream, dreamer. Why do I need it? If I didn't have any, do you think I'd be dead?

Last words are yours.

More lies?

You already said you were done here like twice.

Is that "grown up" of you?

You don't even realize this isn't personal. You see this as an attack on YOU rather that some stupid words you spewed on a message board.

Is that mature? If so, then I disagree... if not, then how do you expect I'd think you'd recognize maturity if it smacked you in your dream?

lol, last words are mine. liar.

can you resist?

how will you evade this time?

You don't even realize this isn't personal. You see this as an attack on YOU rather that some stupid words you spewed on a message board.

!!!

Such wisdom, oh wise one. I wish more people realized this, or there was a way to differentiate between the personal attacks and the attacks we make at words on a message board. Things might go a little smoother.

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Such wisdom, oh wise one. .

Indeed so wise so wise, where is the bowing, 'I'm not worthy' smiley?