Lately, we've seen a spate of conspiracy theories on sciforums. Several posters have lamented that Israel somehow controls US foreign policy. The "Jewish lobby" has far too much power, they complain. Some of these posters even believe in a global conspiracy of Jewish people to rule the world.

Let's suppose for a minute that every word of this nonsense is true. Then what follows?

Surely somebody has to rule the world. There is always one or another group in power in every country, even in democracies. So, what I am wondering is: if Jews rule the world, why is that a bad thing? Somebody has to do it, and I don't see why they would do a worse job than anybody else.

Surely somebody has to rule the world. There is always one or another group in power in every country, even in democracies. So, what I am wondering is: if Jews rule the world, why is that a bad thing? Somebody has to do it, and I don't see why they would do a worse job than anybody else.

The truth is that Jewish people , on the average, happen to be very smart in almost every area I can think of. The consequence of being talented is that you may work in a job that requires talent. I think many people resent the disproportionate number of any one group in any one field. So it's not hard to understand, but we should recognise why people feel the way they feel.
To some degree I think this may be because of competition. When Jewish people tend to excell, sometimes people assume that somehow they get ahead by trickery, when in reality, they are often just better at giving people what they want or need in exchange for money or goods and services. Look at the entertainment industry. If they were not good at what they did, they wouldn't excell. If this were not true, then it seems very apparent that the oppisite would be true, because they succeed in spite of the prejudice, not because of it.
To me it is really very sad that religion has to be so devisive. It was never meant to be. Religion is supposed to bring people together - and bring harmony. And what I find the hardest to understand is how some Christians can forget the roots of their religion - and not feel a sense of brotherhood with the Jewish people and their faith.
I think the key to peace around the world (and in the middle east) is stop the perversion of religion. When people use religion to spread hate - that's when things go terribly wrong. The spirit of religion is love and harmony, not hate and raceism.

No arguements there.
Just like Americans are good at bullshit.
Kudos.

Lately, we've seen a spate of conspiracy theories on sciforums. Several posters have lamented that Israel somehow controls US foreign policy. The "Jewish lobby" has far too much power, they complain. Some of these posters even believe in a global conspiracy of Jewish people to rule the world.

Let's suppose for a minute that every word of this nonsense is true. Then what follows?

Surely somebody has to rule the world. There is always one or another group in power in every country, even in democracies. So, what I am wondering is: if Jews rule the world, why is that a bad thing? Somebody has to do it, and I don't see why they would do a worse job than anybody else.

Are you drunk or you plain loony? Or wait are you a neocon Zionist?

No nation or ethnic group or race has the right to rule the world!

I think all nations should try and keep as much to themselves as possible, but I am not advocating isolationism either.

For eg: I think ALL non-Africans must get the hell out of Africa. Too much intervention and vested interests have prevented Africa from being fully developed.

For eg: I think ALL non-Africans must get the hell out of Africa. Too much intervention and vested interests have prevented Africa from being fully developed.Africa wasn't exactly 'fully developed' in the absence of intervention and vested interests either.

In fact, sub-saharan Africa on its own did not even develop the most basic foundations of civilizations - systems of writing, mathematics and geometry.

Carcano.
Do you really believe that?

Do you really believe that?At least for now...I'm ready to be surprised at any moment. All the sub-saharan alphabets are modern creations, whereas the alphabets of northern Africa were derived from Semetic or Phoenician sources.

well, ill leave it to the other jewish people to rule the world, i suppose....id rather read a book.

I always wonder why its The Jewish?
Why not the Japanese?
Don’t they meet the “Rule the World” Prerequisite?
They have lent the most money in the world.
Their businesses seem to be conquering our industries.
They own Hawaii.
Their Manga and cute Anime are brainwashing our own.
Ummm .,.,.,.,. they are quite united in this sort of Japanese-i mentality.
Anyone can tell you it is tough cracking the Japanese nut. They don’t just let anyone in.

It like they are one big Japanese Manga Anime money lending cult.

And the other day I was down to the grocery market and bought some funny dead crabs that were like fingure food. Eating them was a treat – although the pinchers are kind of crunchy. Not to mention the horse and whale in the market. Must be part of their World domination plan? Wean us on equestrian sashimi (which is very bland) and soon we’ll all be eating whale…

Oh .,..,.,., and the bowing? Hmmm maybe it’s a signal of some sort?

A “Japanese” signal.

Oh yeah, and did I mention they even have the gall to worship their own Gods and … speak in a different language. Yeah, it’s true. They don’t speak “American”?!?!? Well they do but it’s different. Like good old traditional American Karaoke is …. Well karaoke
:D



Anyway, no one group of people control the world. Jesus, the Chinese make up 1/3 of the world and exactly zero of them are Jewish. The Indians make up another 1/3 and none of them are Jewish either.

Get over it no one controls the world. That’s silly.

Study: U.S. Mideast policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

By Shmuel Rosner

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Middle East policy is not in America's national interest and is motivated primarily by the country's pro-Israel lobby, according to a study published yesterday by researchers from Harvard University and the University of Chicago.

Observers in Washington said yesterday that the study was liable to stir up a tempest and spur renewed debate about the function of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobby. The Fatah office in Washington distributed the article to an extensive mailing list.


"No lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical," write the authors of the study.

John J. Mearsheimer from the University of Chicago's political science department and Stephen M. Walt from Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government do not present new facts. They rely mainly on an analysis of Israeli and American newspaper reports and studies, along with the findings of the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem.

The study also documents accusations that American supporters of Israel pushed the United States into war with Iraq. It lists senior Bush administration officials who supported the war and are also known to support Israel, such as Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and David Wurmser. The authors say the influence of the pro-Israel lobby is a source of serious concern and write that it has even caused damage to Israel by preventing it from reaching a compromise with its neighbors.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/695227.html

The real problem is not some kind of "Jewish conspiracy", but the vulnerability of the American political system to any wealthy and cohesive special interest. Aid to Israel is simply the most egregious example of such a special interest

The whole politics game in the States operates on lobbying - which obviously means that all policies are formulated depending on who can put up the most money. As a result, the Israeli lobby effectively governs the U.S by proxy, in the form of powerful and wealthy groups such as AIPAC. The very notion of lobbying turns the whole 'democracy' and 'politics of morality' thing on its head. Money calls the shots, not the voice of the people - and, most surprisingly of all, absolutely nobody over there seems to have a problem with this.

Perhaps the rest of the world does not wish to be ruled the way the Pals are being ruled as a result of the occupation. I would not tolerate the conditions under which they have been forced to live. The American patriots rebelled against the English for a lot less provocation.

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The problem with Jews ruling the world, is that they are not qualified. Whatever they are known to be good at, surely does not include ruling.

ES

No nation or ethnic group or race has the right to rule the world!
Who has the power, has the right.
And I rule my world.

Surely somebody has to rule the world.
Somebodies, I think. America may be superpower but it doesn't exactly dictate North Korean policy, does it? There should be law and order, but it certainly doesn't have to be provided by a homogenous group.

I always wonder why its The Jewish?
Why not the Japanese?
Because there are fewer Jews - you're less likely to get hurt for saying it. Japanese people know cool martial arts! Don't mess with them! :D [/stereotype]

Ironic, isn't it? The more a group is likely to be able to rule the world, in terms of numbers / military power, the fewer people would be brave enough to accuse them of it. First rule of scapegoating, I guess.

Also, the word 'Jew' has fewer syllables than 'Ja-pa-nese'. Don't overestimate the ability of conspiracy theorists to remember long words :eek:

No nation or ethnic group or race has the right to rule the world!
Agreed. And while nationalism says that ethnic groups should rule themselves, I have my doubts on that too. Multiculturalism does wonders.

well, ill leave it to the other jewish people to rule the world, i suppose....id rather read a book.
I've always wondered why anyone would want to rule the world. One world government? Imagine the bureaucracy! :p

The problem with Jews ruling the world, is that they are not qualified.
Indeed. Israelis can't even vote for a clear majority.

The "Jewish lobby" has far too much power, they complain. Some of these posters even believe in a global conspiracy of Jewish people to rule the world.
Jews have never ran the World , and the evidence of this is if Jews did why didnt they stop the holocaust . That fact is because Jews see themselves as a race and religious group this allows them to concentrate their influence as such in America . As America goes bankrupt along with it goes the Jewish lobby and with that Israel .
So, what I am wondering is: if Jews rule the world, why is that a bad thing?
Bad because Jews see themselves as a Chosen race and Jews see non-Jews as Gentiles , which means unclean . And judging by the human catastrophe Jews have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in Palestine , lets hope Jews never rule the world .

And judging by the human catastrophe Jews have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in Palestine , lets hope Jews never rule the world .

On that note...

"And judging by the human catastrophe Christians have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in colonising America, Australia, Africa and Asia , lets hope Christians never rule the world ."

"And judging by the human catastrophe Muslims have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in conquering pieces of Asia, northern Africa and southern Europe , lets hope Muslims never rule the world ."

"And judging by the human catastrophe Hindus have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in the expelling of Muslims to Pakistan , lets hope Hindus never rule the world ."

"And judging by the human catastrophe Atheists have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , let's just blame them for everything Stalin did , lets hope Atheists never rule the world ."

"And judging by the human catastrophe Greek pagans have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , look at Alexander the Great , lets hope Greek pagans never rule the world ."

"And judging by the human catastrophe Huns have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , by destroying the Roman Empire , lets hope Huns never rule the world ."

Heck with it...

"And judging by the human catastrophe Humans have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , for all of the above and much more , lets hope Humans never rule the world ."

Oh wait ... we knew that already ;)

*wonders whether you can indict humanity for crimes against humanity...*

*starts handing out Cthulhu for President badges*

On that note...
Unbelievable Zephyr displays the same defensive attitude he took on the chosen people thread rather than actually deal with the thread subject head on he must drag in everybody to widen the blame . The thread subject is " If Jews ruled the world would it make any difference , now tackle it .

Jews have never ran the World , and the evidence of this is if Jews did why didnt they stop the holocaust . That fact is because Jews see themselves as a race and religious group this allows them to concentrate their influence as such in America . As America goes bankrupt along with it goes the Jewish lobby and with that Israel .

Good god - first Jews do rule the world, then they don't - which is it you believe, if anything?

Geoff

James R, do you agree that Jews have powerful lobbys in America? Yes/NO answer would do...

The thread subject is " If Jews ruled the world would it make any difference
And the answer ... as ecofascist said ... is
No nation or ethnic group or race has the right to rule the world!

I just gave an extended reason ;)

Also, James your argument is like, so what if Nazis ruled the world. The Problem is not about ruling its about ideologies and what you believe in.

Any organization that bases their way of life on religious beliefs should not be in power. Not only does that not bode well for mankind in general, it is completely unnacceptable to any other religious organization.

And that is most likely the crux of the apostrophe.

Good god - first Jews do rule the world, then they don't - which is it you believe, if anything?

Geoff
Again falsely attributing another statement to me , 2 days ago you falsely applied my name to a quote I never made . Where the FUCK !!! did I say Jews ruled the World , I have never stated anything of the sort you LIAR ! I demand you prove that I said this . Show where on sciforums I made such an allegation , or apologize .

Again falsely attributing another statement to me , 2 days ago you falsely applied my name to a quote I never made . Where the FUCK !!! did I say Jews ruled the World , I have never stated anything of the sort you LIAR ! I demand you prove that I said this . Show where on sciforums I made such an allegation , or apologize .

Oh, please. You infer it all the bloody time by making associations between the US and Israel. Go wash your hood.

Geoff

Also, James your argument is like, so what if Nazis ruled the world. The Problem is not about ruling its about ideologies and what you believe in.

tsk tsk.........are you not yet familiar with the leftist liberal mindset? Fascism is ok as long as they agree with it. Censorship is also ok as long they approve of it, or then in that case it is time to go into apologetic mode.

tsk tsk.........are you not yet familiar with the leftist liberal mindset? Fascism is ok as long as they agree with it. Censorship is also ok as long they approve of it, or then in that case it is time to go into apologetic mode.

Oh I see.

oh i c...this thread is not in cesspool, so either James_R hasnt been here or this thread defends jews and they are not seen controlling the world in any way...

Geoff:

GeoffP
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“ Originally Posted by Brian Foley
Again falsely attributing another statement to me , 2 days ago you falsely applied my name to a quote I never made . Where the FUCK !!! did I say Jews ruled the World , I have never stated anything of the sort you LIAR ! I demand you prove that I said this . Show where on sciforums I made such an allegation , or apologize . ”

Oh, please. You infer it all the bloody time by making associations between the US and Israel. Go wash your hood.

Ahh, I see. So you CAN'T quote Brian making the claim that Jews ruled the world. Quite revealing...

Brian:

Bad because Jews see themselves as a Chosen race and Jews see non-Jews as Gentiles , which means unclean.

So? A lot of Americans think they have the God-given right to rule the world, too, and many of them see Arabs, for example, as inferior to them.

And judging by the human catastrophe Jews have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in Palestine , lets hope Jews never rule the world .

What about the Palestinian role in that "human catastrophe"? Have you overlooked that?

Heh, maybe you're right. Should we let Hamas rule the world, then?


Muslim:

Yes, I agree that there is a pro-Israel lobby group in America, just as there is a pro-Christian lobby group, and a pro-gun lobby group and about a million other lobby groups.

So? A lot of Americans think they have the God-given right to rule the world, too, and many of them see Arabs, for example, as inferior to them.
And this somehow makes it right ?
We have here a very influential religious group which since 1948 has completely displaced an entire nation of Palestinians to realise their belief that this was the prophesised return of their land given unto them by God . A group who have extorted from the American taxpayer some $3 Trillion to fund this experiment . A group that has seen fit to start several murderous wars to weaken its neighbours . A group that has developed an Atomic Weapons arsenal to be used against its neighbours should the day ever come that they may lose their God given land .
What about the Palestinian role in that "human catastrophe"? Have you overlooked that?
What role ? The Palestinians were then and still are a completely powerless victims of Zionism . Palestinians saw their own nation being ripped away from them . Influential British Jewish lobby groups were instrumental in influencing the Goverment of the British Empire into allowing the first settlements into Palestine and to boot the British Army protected these early Zionist settlements. And the mantle after WW2 was picked up by the American Jewish lobby who spearhead this Theocratic/Apartheid nations reign of terror . If I had a choice I would join HAMAS I believe the struggle of HAMAS should be seen as an important cog in the global struggle against racism , oppression and economic depravation .
Attend unto my cry; for I am brought very low: deliver me from my persecutors; for they are stronger than I.
Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.
Psalm 142 6-7
Heh, maybe you're right. Should we let Hamas rule the world, then?
HAMAS is not greedy they would be quite satisfied with the return of Palestine HAMAS .

And I will state it again , a religious sect of people which belives that they are an annointed chosen people of God , and those that are not Jews are simply unclean (Gentiles) . With a special gift of real estate from God known as the Jewish state . A God that tells them that eventually a saviour will rise amongst them and cut down the gentile nations and they themselves will rule the worlds races and nations . The Jews should never be allowed to run any country for their own benefit or have any influence on any nations foreign policy simply for their own selfish means .

My god, Foley, get off the pot!

I believe Israel has no right to historic Palestine, and anyone who supports their right to genocidally murder native Palestine is commiting a large crime against humanity.

The Palestinians have every right to fight back for their land. If Israel is not ready to grant them even their 1967 Internationally recognized borders, I support the right of Hamas to fight if necessary to free their lands of Israeli occupation.

Also, I would like to mention that settlers who colonized Muslim Palestine and made a Zionist state by explelling the native people are all guilty of the crime of genocide against the native people. Those who continue to hold on to land which does not belong to them have no right to be considered victims.

A propose a Jewish state which is not formed by the genocide and explusion of Muslims and the appropriation of Muslim land. I completely reject Israel's right to exist, and believe Palestinians have the right to reclaim their land which was taken by unlawful and unjust means.

Peace.

Yeah, DiamondHearts, because your opinion is sooo important that several million Israelis will evacuate their homes out of fear! Oh no! Hamas!!! Whatever shall the Israelis do?

We know already.. retaliate.. against which will be retaliated in an endless cycle. Because people are too fucking stupid to realize that nobody has a claim to any land, and that the person currently living on some parcel of earth is just as entitled as the next, regardless or their nationality or religion. It gives people some purpose to argue over something as trivial as a political boundary. Makes them feel important and heard as part of a louder voice.

Don't take it personally, DiamondHearts, I despise you equally with zealots of all faiths and non-faiths, including the oh-so dumdum Brian Foley.

I'm glad the tradition of April Fool's Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fool's_Day) is so well recognised...

I'm curious as to how Foley thinks we should prevent world domination by Jews. For example, would he object to someone by the surname of Cohen running in Australian elections? I mean, given the current laws of democracy, there's an infinitesimal chance that Jewish candidates could win landslide elections in democratic states all over the world - and that would be terrible! :eek:

(And Geoff - I think you may be confusing Foley with Happeh. Happeh thinks Jews rule the world; Foley just thinks Australian synagogues should be shut down (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=928658#post928658).)

I'm curious as to how Foley thinks we should prevent world domination by Jews.
Well, there are many ways, like:
> gas chambers
> shooting squads
> prison camps
> forced infertility procedures,
etc.

"Lately, we've seen a spate of conspiracy theories on sciforums." -
James R

Thats because conspiracies: ACTUALLY HAPPEN.... its amazing I know...

Also, I would like to mention that settlers who colonized Muslim Palestine and made a Zionist state by explelling the native people are all guilty of the crime of genocide against the native people. Those who continue to hold on to land which does not belong to them have no right to be considered victims.And what about the Jews that were born there? I mean that land was conquored 30-50 years ago.

I believe Israel has no right to historic Palestine, and anyone who supports their right to genocidally murder native Palestine is commiting a large crime against humanity.

Also, I would like to mention that settlers who colonized Muslim Palestine and made a Zionist state by explelling the native people are all guilty of the crime of genocide against the native people. Those who continue to hold on to land which does not belong to them have no right to be considered victims.

Your Allah is responsible as he controls everything. You should be railing at him.

GeoffP has attributed certain remarks to Brian Foley.
Both Brian Foley and mountainhare have asked GeoffP to cite the examples.
GeoffP has not done so.
I infer that GeoffP can not cite the sources.

Sidenote: Telling someone to "Go wash your hood" could be construed as a personal attack.

I'm curious as to how Foley thinks we should prevent world domination by Jews. For example, would he object to someone by the surname of Cohen running in Australian elections? I mean, given the current laws of democracy, there's an infinitesimal chance that Jewish candidates could win landslide elections in democratic states all over the world - and that would be terrible! :eek:
What the Fuck has this to do with the debate about Jews ruling the world ? I am only concerned about the Jewish apartheid/zionist impact on the Palestinians and from that example Fuck no way should Jews be aloud to run the world .
(And Geoff - I think you may be confusing Foley with Happeh. Happeh thinks Jews rule the world; Foley just thinks Australian synagogues should be shut down (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=928658#post928658).)
I said I would start with the Synagogues first , meaning all churchs and temples would follow . Synagogues should be shut down , I believe the Jewish community here should renounce Zionism because of its apartheid creed and swear an oath of allegiance to Australia because of the Jewish communities allegiance to Israel . Tell me , you being Jewish , do you see yourself as a chosen poerson ?
Well, there are many ways, like:
> gas chambers
> shooting squads
> prison camps
> forced infertility procedures,
etc.
Could we stick to the subject of this debate "what if Jews rule the world? " and stop turning this into a " You are all a bunch Anti-Semites " drama fest ? huh.

Geoff:

Ahh, I see. So you CAN'T quote Brian making the claim that Jews ruled the world. Quite revealing...
What was also very revealing where he contradicted himself on the chosen people thraed and said Jews that were not a race .
GeoffP has attributed certain remarks to Brian Foley.
Both Brian Foley and mountainhare have asked GeoffP to cite the examples.
GeoffP has not done so.
I infer that GeoffP can not cite the sources.

Sidenote: Telling someone to "Go wash your hood" could be construed as a personal attack.
Thank you for pointing that out candy .

Yesterday, after I had found the jewish lobby rummors I went to the old story: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I red some excerbs from these protocols. Some of you have asked how is it possible that so small group of people as Jewish community could be able to rule the world. The protocols give an exact answer - IT IS POSSIBLE!
Some of you can say: protocols are rubish made by Russians to excuse pressing Jews out from XIX century Russia. I don't care your arguments - let's compare what is written in these protocols with what was happened in the world during last 150 years. At nowadays perspective we can easily see that we are facing now the final stage of the agenda written there. So if we treat protocols as an idea almost acomplished we have to agree that we - atomized human beings have no chance to change the process ongoing. Whatever we can say or do will have no impact to the mankind. So please relax yourselves and start to think what we want to do with ourselves because I'm the world I can rule. I write: "I can" because it's not obvious that "I do". Let's try to read some books how far the control of people minds is possible by present media first then consider whether you rule your world or not. I think the personal independence is the best thing which we can do.

Chris

Geoff:

Ahh, I see. So you CAN'T quote Brian making the claim that Jews ruled the world. Quite revealing...

He's alluded to it well enough, without specifically saying it.

Geoff

GeoffP has attributed certain remarks to Brian Foley.
Both Brian Foley and mountainhare have asked GeoffP to cite the examples.
GeoffP has not done so.
I infer that GeoffP can not cite the sources.

Sidenote: Telling someone to "Go wash your hood" could be construed as a personal attack.

I'm unimpressed by your selective inference. He's alluded to collusion of Israel with the US; that's sufficient.

Sidenote: Are you blind, perhaps? Brian's already done far worse.

Go wash your hood too.

Geoff

Yesterday, after I had found the jewish lobby rummors I went to the old story: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I red some excerbs from these protocols. Some of you have asked how is it possible that so small group of people as Jewish community could be able to rule the world. The protocols give an exact answer - IT IS POSSIBLE!

The Protocols have already been proven false.

Geoff

(And Geoff - I think you may be confusing Foley with Happeh. Happeh thinks Jews rule the world; Foley just thinks Australian synagogues should be shut down (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=928658#post928658).)

Hmm...may have a point there. They just seem to agree on so much. Hard to tell people apart when they're all wearing the same monochromatic pointy hat.

Geoff

The Protocols have already been proven false.

Geoff

Hey Geoff,
but what if some greedy and wealthy Jewish group decided to use the fabricated document as a perfect agenda for their "project" ? :D

I'm joking now.

I do not want to discuss weather the protocols are proven false or not. I have just written a reflection that the way world has gone for last 150 years is very similar to the way planned on protocol's pages.

Chris

Surely somebody has to rule the world. There is always one or another group in power in every country, even in democracies. So, what I am wondering is: if Jews rule the world, why is that a bad thing? Somebody has to do it, and I don't see why they would do a worse job than anybody else.

I don't believe Jews rule the world. I think Jews unduly influence US foreign policy, and as is natural, do so selfishly -- e.g. at our expense.

However, the problem here is that "we" (nativist Americans) let them.

As Nick Griffin said, the problem is Anglo-Saxon liberalism, not any of the invading groups that have become parasites among us.

Now I know that the jews did it!
This (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3684) is the short version, just shocking!!

culled from these (http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/yudayasensou.e.htm) pages

Maybe if Jews ruled the world, we could get a good nosh from the local deli, ya know like a good Ruben Sandwich and ege creme.

Geoff:

He's alluded to collusion of Israel with the US; that's sufficient.

Huh?
How the hell does "Israel's collusion with the US = Jews ruling the world"??? They aren't even in the fucking same league. You're reaching, Geoffy, you're reaching. You've attributed a statement to Brian which he didn't make, and now you're trying to cover your ass.

Why can't you just admit that you made a mistake?

Now I know that the jews did it!
This (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3684) is the short version, just shocking!!

culled from these (http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/yudayasensou.e.htm) pages
Fuck look at this guy he was salivating with hate towards moslems on the cartoon thread saying Arabs are the reason for the increase of rapes in droll and dull leggoland Scandanavia , and what else oh yeah Fuck Allah you said . And here he is falling over himself in volunteering sarcastic jibes to mock this thread in defence of Jews . Tell you what how would you like to be living life under Zionism , would want the world run by Zionist Jews ? Answer please , that is what this thread is about
Maybe if Jews ruled the world, we could get a good nosh from the local deli, ya know like a good Ruben Sandwich and ege creme.
Yeah I like that , I think the Jews should run the Worlds delicatessen's nobody does a cornbeef on rye better than a Rosenstein . :)
Geoff:
He's alluded to it well enough, without specifically saying it.
Huh?
How the hell does "Israel's collusion with the US = Jews ruling the world"??? They aren't even in the fucking same league. You're reaching, Geoffy, you're reaching. You've attributed a statement to Brian which he didn't make, and now you're trying to cover your ass.

Why can't you just admit that you made a mistake?
I stated this in a thread in January of this year :
CNN caught Lying and thrown out of Iran (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51540&page=5&pp=20)
Jews dont control the Worlds banks
Jews dont control the Worlds media
Jews dont control the Worlds education
Jews dont control the Worlds food supply
Again this Geoff has been caught out on a LIE again , he has habit of deliberately attributing false statements .

Fuck look at this guy he was salivating with hate towards moslems on the cartoon thread saying Arabs are the reason for the increase of rapes in droll and dull leggoland Scandanavia , and what else oh yeah Fuck Allah you said . And here he is falling over himself in volunteering sarcastic jibes to mock this thread in defence of Jews . Tell you what how would you like to be living life under Zionism , would want the world run by Zionist Jews ? Answer please , that is what this thread is about .

Oh Brian you are a man obsessed, all that venom isn't good for the soul.
Amongst other things I volunteer my time to be a refugee guide for new arrivals to Norway, muslims from the middle east. What are you doing to make this world a better place Brian?

Oh Brian you are a man obsessed, all that venom isn't good for the soul.
Amongst other things I volunteer my time to be a refugee guide for new arrivals to Norway, muslims from the middle east. What are you doing to make this world a better place Brian?
Could you just discuss the subject matter , " if Jews rule the world " ?
I stated that because of the example set by the Jews of of Jewish Apartheid/Zionist rule over Palestine that Jews shoild not be allowed to rule the world . Now obviously you have a different view please share that view with the forum for the sake of continuity of this threads subject .

Again this Geoff has been caught out on a LIE again , he has habit of deliberately attributing false statements .

Being wrong isn't lying Foley. And wow, you actually did say those things. So I guess you don't think Jews actually rule the world. Wow.

You just hate them. That's all. Glad we got that straightened out.

Oh, and I don't have a habit of attributing false statements. I never said you wrote any of that, just that you think it. So your denial was a good idea. So I guess you'll be apologizing now for using bigoted comments against me, or your insults, or all that. Did you ever finally come clean about Iran? Or about the Khazar bit? Fair's fair, now. :D

Geoff

Geoff:

Huh?
How the hell does "Israel's collusion with the US = Jews ruling the world"??? They aren't even in the fucking same league. You're reaching, Geoffy, you're reaching. You've attributed a statement to Brian which he didn't make, and now you're trying to cover your ass.

Why can't you just admit that you made a mistake?

Oh, come on - he's of exactly that type and you know it. He made a smart move by posting early on, but he's cut from the same frigging white hood.

Here you are then: I made a mistake about Brian's stated beliefs.

You want more? OK, then, he has to back down and admit that i) I'm not Jewish, ii) using Jewish as an insult is wrong.

Fair's fair.

Geoff

And while we're at it, you can admit you were wrong about the Khazar hypothesis, and the "genetic right-of-return" argument too.

Geoff

And you were wrong Geoff about women wearing Burkhas at this present time in Palestine,as Palestine nolonger exists! It's been Israel for quite some time!!!

You're wrong about a lot of stuff, too much to comment on, so I won't in future, you enjoy your unfactual, ranting!

Re who rules the world....well that would be the media now would it not?

So WHO are the biggest investors in TV, radio and the newspapers etc?

The media DICTATES what is seen and published, what FACTS come to light, WHICH are hidden, what lies are told. WHO pushes their buttons has the true power. NO one can deny the power of the media. They brain wash everyone who buys into them.

You want to rule the world? Buy up all the media sources!

So I ask you again, who are the biggest names in media?

http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.html

Do your own research.........

And you were wrong Geoff about women wearing Burkhas at this present time in Palestine,as Palestine nolonger exists! It's been Israel for quite some time!!!

You're wrong about a lot of stuff, too much to comment on, so I won't in future, you enjoy your unfactual, ranting!

So you're rebuttal is based on a technicality...that doesn't even exist. Well and good: if you're scared, don't comment, by all means.

Here's a sample of "how wrong I was" regarding the use of burkha in Palestine:

http://www.martinbarofund.org/homepage/special3.htm
http://www.peoplesmarch.com/archives/2004/sept2k4/Tear.htm

Talk about "factless" ranting...why do these gits always assume the "I can never be wrong, it's you, you, you!" position?

Geoff

So you're rebuttal is based on a technicality...that doesn't even exist. Well and good: if you're scared, don't comment, by all means.

Here's a sample of "how wrong I was" regarding the use of burkha in Palestine:

http://www.martinbarofund.org/homepage/special3.htm
http://www.peoplesmarch.com/archives/2004/sept2k4/Tear.htm

Talk about "factless" ranting...why do these gits always assume the "I can never be wrong, it's you, you, you!" position?

Geoff

I'll say it again Geoff, look at a recent atlas or Globe , there is NO Palestine, Palestine is NOW Israel. If you mean they wear burkhas in palestinian refugee camps, say so! Don't say they wear them in Palestine. Anyway I'm ignoring your factless drivel hence forth, final reply!

Re who rules the world....well that would be the media now would it not?

So WHO are the biggest investors in TV, radio and the newspapers etc?

...isn't that the Saudis?

Geoff

I'll say it again Geoff, look at a recent atlas or Globe , there is NO Palestine, Palestine is NOW Israel. If you mean they wear burkhas in palestinian refugee camps, say so! Don't say they wear them in Palestine. Anyway I'm ignoring your factless drivel hence forth, final reply!

But Palestine has its own government, its own elections, its own civil services. How can you say there's no Palestine? Wasn't the whole point to have a Palestine? There most certainly is one.

Thanks for ignoring me. Makes things easier.

Geoff

The Jews barely control Israel, much less the world.

Brian, the Amish also exclude outsiders, are they practicing apartheid, too?

The Israel Lobby

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

...isn't that the Saudis?

Geoff

NO its not, Time Warner is not owned by Saudi.

But Palestine has its own government, its own elections, its own civil services. How can you say there's no Palestine? Wasn't the whole point to have a Palestine? There most certainly is one.

Thanks for ignoring me. Makes things easier.

Geoff

No Geoff there isn't, come on someone, tell this boy!

What, the Palestinian Authority isn't real? News to them, I guess.

Say, aren't you supposed to be ignoring me?

Geoff

I'll say it again Geoff, look at a recent atlas or Globe , there is NO Palestine, Palestine is NOW Israel. If you mean they wear burkhas in palestinian refugee camps, say so! Don't say they wear them in Palestine. Anyway I'm ignoring your factless drivel hence forth, final reply!

Burqa is a black cover only in Afghanistan and Arabs don't wear burqa.

It would be right if you said Arab women wear hijab, which is more correct. Not all Palestinian women wear scarves.

hahaha, I can't believe you said such a thing.

Israel states a unilateral policy with the Palestinian Authority over settlement of peace and negotiations. They do not recognize the sovereignty of the PA over Palestine, hence they do not recognize Palestine for Palestinians.

Peace.

Burqa is a black cover only in Afghanistan and Arabs don't wear burqa.

Burkha is a head-to-toe cover in Afghanistan. If you have seen those without, I have certainly seen those with.

It would be right if you said Arab women wear hijab, which is more correct. Not all Palestinian women wear scarves.

Only in those places where islam is strictly followed - in other words, how you would prefer it to be.

hahaha, I can't believe you said such a thing.

I know - I astonish myself with my own wit and intellect daily.

Israel states a unilateral policy with the Palestinian Authority over settlement of peace and negotiations. They do not recognize the sovereignty of the PA over Palestine, hence they do not recognize Palestine for Palestinians.

So then the PA does not exist? They do not enforce law in Palestine? Hamas does not make law, nor can not do so? That's funny. I'm sure they said themselves that sharia was their first goal on being elected. How strange they think so, when they have no legal power to enact it! :eek:

Geoff

Being wrong isn't lying Foley
Shut up ! you have been caught out in a deliberate LIE .
Oh, and I don't have a habit of attributing false statements. I never said you wrote any of that, just that you think it. So your denial was a good

idea. So I guess you'll be apologizing now for using bigoted comments against me, or your insults, or all that.
See below .
Did you ever finally come clean about Iran? Or about the Khazar bit? Fair's fair, now. :D
What about Iran that I am still waiting for you to provide evidence that it does actually have an Atomic weapons programme ? And the Khazar bit ????
You want more? OK, then, he has to back down and admit that i) I'm not Jewish,
Back down on what ? Straight up and first up you called me an Arab .
CNN caught Lying and thrown out of Iran (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51540&page=2&pp=20)
Brian, I regret to say that I found your meandering post more than a little suspect, as is your atrocious grammar. I believe you stated elsewhere that you were an Australian - unfortunately for your believability, you would almost literally have to be the stupidest Australian in the world to have such little grasp of nuance, diction and spelling. My suspicion is that you are a citizen of a very different country, in a very different timezone, by the tenor of your voice (reflecting a linguistic mindset with which I am much familiar by now) and the timing of your posts.Thankyou for your postings, Brian al-Foley, although I regret to say that they were not terribly helpful to your...cause.
Still, I hope the weather in Iran is condusive to a pleasant day's mosque-going.
And again here .
Al-Foley, since you're probably being paid by Iran,
And I said to you :
Yep , your an Israeli .
ii) using Jewish as an insult is wrong.
First up you insulted me after improperly inferring I was an Arab .

A very merry stone-throwing stampede to you.

Gentile Geoff
I only said to you :
Happy hannukah
Yours sincerly
Brian Foley :)
Hardly an insult .

The Jews barely control Israel, much less the world.
The subject is " So what if Jews rule the world? " and I am saying judging by the treatment of Palestininas and the Apartheid Zionist creed absolutely no way .
Brian, the Amish also exclude outsiders, are they practicing apartheid, too?
Again the subject is " So what if Jews rule the world? " not " So what if the Amish ruled the world? " .

I mean judging by the Jewish experiment in Palestine do you think this would qualify us not to worry if Jews ruled the Earth ? Now remeber the Jews believe they are a chosen people with Gods blessing and that non-Jews are unclean Gentiles .

Re who rules the world....well that would be the media now would it not?

So WHO are the biggest investors in TV, radio and the newspapers etc?

The media DICTATES what is seen and published, what FACTS come to light, WHICH are hidden, what lies are told. WHO pushes their buttons has the true power. NO one can deny the power of the media. They brain wash everyone who buys into them.

You want to rule the world? Buy up all the media sources!

So I ask you again, who are the biggest names in media?

Jews own the biggest media groups, this is your answer, any of you disagree that who ever owns the media rules the world?

And as James asked re his thread question, is this a bad thing?
So now, answers as to why this a bad thing?

Well its NOT been good for Palestinians so far?
Its not good at all for Muslims in general , look at all the propoganda being published by these media groups?

On behalf of:

Kurt Nimmo November 22, 2003


Zionism's Useful Idiots,

That's you and me, taxpaying US citizens. We're useful idiots for
the Zionists in Washington and Tel Aviv. Useful because our
hard-earned paychecks can be harvested to pay for war and mass
murder in the Middle East. Idiots because we dont do anything
about it.

So outraged were the Sons of Liberty over British taxation without
representation, they pitched a whole lot of Darjeeling tea into
the Boston Harbor.

Now?

We're couch potatoes, useful idiots more interested in Bachelor
Bob than the possibility of an apocalyptic war that will consume
the lives of our children & our wealth.

So usefully idiotic are we that treacherous neocons no longer
bother to offer threadbare lies to cover their murderous tracks.

On Thursday, November 20, the former lead conspirator of the
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board and long-time accused Israeli spy,
Richard Perle, proudly admitted Bush's invasion of Iraq was
illegal. "I think international law stood in the way of doing the
right thing," he brazenly told a London audience. In other words,
laws reached by international consensus, agreed upon by the vast
majority of civilized people on the planet for centuries, are
little more than doormats for Zionist gangsters such as Richard
Perle, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, to name but the most
obvious, and their bosses, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Like
their philosophical and spiritual swami, Ariel Sharon, these
criminals not only thumb their noses at their foes, but also
target them for assassination if they get in the way.

It's as if Perle and his ruthless gang have suddenly decided to
dump the philosophy of the neocon cognoscenti of Machiavellian
lying and deception, Leo Strauss.

Instead of telling lies and building half-ass fabrications in
preparation for committing war crimes and crimes against humanity
in the name of a clan of Likudites in Israel and corporate
mobsters close to the Bushites in America, the neocons now seem
more than happy to tell the truth and let the chips fall where
they may.

It's easier, less hassle, and besides Joe Taxpayer doesn't really
seem to care one way or the other if he's lied to, told the truth
straight up, or kept in the dark entirely. He's essentially
imperturbable, or maybe semi-comatose.

So long as the ultimate cost, in lives and hard cash, remains an
abstraction in the short term, well, nobody on Main Street's going
to complain too much.

Maybe a few anti-war types here and there will hoot and holler,
but they can easily be sloughed off -- or ignored entirely -- by
the Bush Ministry of Disinformation (Fox,ABC,CNN,CBS,) as hate
America firsters or a meaningless focus group.

Death on such a magnitude cannot remain an abstraction forever,
especially now with coffins (the Pentagon calls them "transfer
tubes") and wounded coming home in ever-increasing numbers. For
now, however, the wounded piling up at Walter Reed and Fort
Stewart, and the dead arriving daily at Dover, will not make prime
or any other time. "I don't understand why these guys are so
hidden, why there are no pictures of them," Cher lamented
recently.

Well, Cher, that's a no-brainer.

The Bush neocons understand something very essential - people,
that is average, every day people - will do almost anything to
avoid war, mostly because they are the ones to pay the highest
price for it.

Roosevelt understood this -- and that's why he steered the
Japanese into invading Pearl Harbor. Something outrageous has to
push the people into war, be it the prospect of rapacious Japanese
murdering defenseless GIs or Saddam conniving with Osama to murder
Americans with weapons of mass destruction.

Never mind that the Japanese had no intention of killing Americans
until Roosevelt embargoed their oil. Never mind that Osama hates
Saddam and, besides, there were no weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq.

It was, and is, murderous deception.

"Of course the people don't want war," mused a recalcitrant Herman
Goering at the Nuremberg trials. "But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought
to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

If the average American were suddenly exposed to an endless parade
of coffins and the gruesome stories of those seriously wounded in
Iraq, the dreaded Vietnam Syndrome would come screaming back - in
other words, people would demand an end to war, like they did
during the Vietnam war -- and the neocon jihad against the Arab
Third World in the name of Zionism and neoliberal corporate theft
would be throttled in short order.

Obviously, the Perles and the Wolfowitzes and the Cheneys and
Rumsfelds and their ideological bedfellows outside of the White
House and Pentagon are not going to let this happen.

They're going to do whatever it takes to keep the "war on
terrorism" moving forward, even if it means another attack on the
American heartland. Even if it means another slaughtered 3,000
office workers, or a dirty bomb going off during Christmas rush in
the parking lot of the Mall of America.

These people are sincerely immoral, even sociopaths. Their legacy
is Operation Northwoods, the firebombing of Hamburg, Tokyo,
Dresden, Kobe, and the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's the
deliberate murder of 500,000 Iraqi children, the spreading of
depleted uranium across the globe, the methodical serial murder of
nearly 3,000,000 Vietnamese.

Of course, the average American -- the sheepish Untermensch, the
useful idiot for Zionism, the guy who unconsciously donates part
of his paycheck to Israel every year -- he's immersed in an
entertainment fog, the modern equivalent of Roman bread and
circuses, so he's essentially clueless to what's going on.

Since he rarely ventures beyond Fox, the Bush Ministry of
Disinformation, for his "news," he knows nothing about Zionist
control of not only the White House, but also Congress and the
very media he's passively consuming.

He's a blinkered cash cow.

Maybe, as well, his kid's a bullet stopper for a Zionist settler
who thinks Americans should die so he can steal land from
Palestinian Arabs, so no powerful rival will emerge in the Arab
world to challenge Israeli crimes against Arabs.

"An immensely wealthy and powerful republic has been hijacked by a
small cabal of individuals, all of them unelected and therefore
unresponsive to public pressure," explains Edward Said. This
"small cabal," writes Edward Herman, consists of "the powerful
pro-Israel lobby in the United States, which advances Israeli
interests by pushing for U.S. aid and protection to Israel, and,
currently, by pressing for a war against Iran, which again will
serve Israeli interests. This lobby has not only helped control
media debate and made congress into 'Israeli occupied territory',
it has seen to it that numerous officials with 'dual loyalties'
occupy strategic decision-making positions in the Bush
administration."

You can't get much more "strategic" than Dick Cheney, vice
president, the guy right below Bush (or some would say Bush is
below Cheney).

Here's a former advisor for JINSA, short for the Jewish Institute
for National Security Affairs, running the executive branch of the
government. Directly below him are staunch Israeli-firsters,
friends of the war criminal and mass murderer Ariel Sharon and the
criminal, Arab (and British and American) killing machine, also
known as the Likud Party, a gangster organization based on
"revisionist" Zionism, in other words the philosophy of Vladimir
(Zeev) Zabotinsky, a fascist Arab hater who harbored warm and
fuzzy feelings for Benito Mussolini.

The Israel-firsters in the Bush administration, according to Ann
Pettifer, "pursue political power not in order to make the US a
better place, to right wrongs or to fight inequality here, but to
promote Israel's pre-eminence in the Middle East, to confine
Palestinians to a couple of Bantustans or, better still, engineer
their expulsion to Jordan... Wolfowitz and fellow Jewish neo-cons
Richard Perle and Douglas Feith have emerged as the Pentagon's
Paladins, their aim being to subdue the Islamic world through
decisive, pre-emptive use of American military superiority."

In other words, chew up US treasure and kill American kids who
thought they joined the military to defend their country - or,
like the hapless Jessica Lynch, joined up because they couldn't
get a job or an education anywhere else.

The streets of Iraq have become in short order murderous hellholes
designed by malevolent former Ba'athists -- who were brought to
power by the CIA in the 60s -- to kill US soldiers. Bush, of
course, and the Likudite Zionists who run his illegally appointed
administration don't give a rat's ass about the lives of a few
thousand American soldiers or, for that matter, 28 million odd
Iraqis.

Israel, and the racist colonialist mentality of the Zionists, is
all that matters. It's currently what the foreign policy of the
United States is all about.

All of us, especially the Arabs, are expected to pay homage to the
Zionists. Those of us who live in the United States and pay our
(war) taxes, we ante up every week or two weeks, certain our money
will go to build Israel's apartheid wall, pay for new settlements
on Arab land, or grease the gears of bulldozers that smash down
ancient olive trees.

We pay dearly for Israeli ethnic cleansing.

Meanwhile, by default or mere stupidity and ignorance, the
American people remain useful idiots for Zionism.

They may not realize George Bush's so-called "war on terrorism" is
actually, as the neocons deem it, the opening salvos of World War
IV (according to neocon and former CIA director James Woolsey).

It's a war Bush has declared will last a long time, possibly for
the rest of our lives, generations, but few Americans seem to
glimpse the obvious implications - more mass murder, increasing
hardship, loss of constitutional liberties, maybe even nuclear
Armageddon.

Stupid Americans.

As Wilhelm Reich knew, the "little man" will invariably embrace
not only his enslavement, but also revel in his own denigration.
He not only supports dictators such as Hitler, Mussolini, and
Stalin (and now Bush), but admires them as well.

"You give impotent people with evil intentions the power to
represent you," Reich wrote. "Only too late do you realize that
again and again you are being defrauded."

Now is the time to stop the fraud. But I dont know if the useful
idiots of Zionism are up to it.

Given Likud's abyssmal performance in the recent elections (last week), I don't know that that article will reflect the situation for much longer.

Oh, and I don't have a habit of attributing false statements. I never said you wrote any of that, just that you think it.
Geoff

He reads minds!!! :eek: Quick everybody, put on the aluminum cone head hats!!!

Everyone here just needs to sit down and smoke some pot, after that's complete, we will continue this thread.

:m: Thank You. :m:

Shut up ! you have been caught out in a deliberate LIE .

Now prove that it was deliberate. Oh? You can't?

LIAR.

What about Iran that I am still waiting for you to provide evidence that it does actually have an Atomic weapons programme ?

Well the IAEA agrees with me, and you cited them as an absolute authority on the case, so you can impeach them now, if you want to look foolish. As for the comments by Ren and Stimpy about aluminium hats; it's Foley that thinks he's able to see into the minds of the Iranian leadership, not I. :D

And the Khazar bit ????

Where I proved you wrong about genetic origins in the general Judaic population. Can't recall? Maybe your memory is slipping. Best see a doctor.

Back down on what ? Straight up and first up you called me an Arab .

Nope, I assumed you were a fundamenalist muslim. Islamicism and Jew-hatred go hand-in-hand so often, don't they? And my position was that your past experience was colouring present views. Now on the other hand, you used "Jew" as an implied insult to me. That could be construed as racism, if you ever get around to deciding formally on the issue of racism and Judaism. Ah, wait - you have called it racist, haven't you? So your comment was - by your own definition - racist.

Thanks.

Geoff

I mean judging by the Jewish experiment in Palestine do you think this would qualify us not to worry if Jews ruled the Earth ?

Oh? Jewish? Not Israeli?

Then again, if they ruled the world, would everyone be trying to blow them up in suicide attacks? Aside from you, I mean.

Geoff

But Palestine has its own government, its own elections, its own civil services. How can you say there's no Palestine? Wasn't the whole point to have a Palestine? There most certainly is one.
As far as I know there is no independent state called Palestine. I'm not sure how much authority the Palestinian leadership has but it's not a full government - seeing as Israel has enough control of the area to build parts of the security wall across Palestinian land.

Presumably if Kadima manages to withdraw settlements and finalise the Israeli border, a proper, internationally recognised Palestinian state will be declared and the Palestinians will be citizens of a new country instead of refugees. (Although if it's in two separate pieces, I'm not sure how that'll work ... pre-67, one part was under Egyptian control and the other Jordanian. Hopefully they'll work something out.)

As far as I know there is no independent state called Palestine.

Indeed, nor has there ever been. The area has been passed from occupier to occupier for centuries, ever since the Romans showed up. It could be argued that history has left the Palestinian people ill-prepared for independent nationhood.

If you check your old maps you'll find that the area now identified as Israel was identified as Palestine. The end!

Now prove that it was deliberate. Oh? You can't?

LIAR.
LIAR ............

As far as I know there is no independent state called Palestine. I'm not sure how much ..........................
Could we stick to the subject of this thread and that is " So what if Jews rule the world? " . And judging by Zionist barbarity in their promised land experiment towards other human beings I say that Jews should not ever be allowed to rule our world let alone any nation .

And I asked you do you see yourself as a chosen person ? Or are just going to be playing ostrich .

Could we stick to the subject of this thread and that is " So what if Jews rule the world? "
My apologies; I was responding to Geoff who seemed to think that the Palestinians have a state, the lack of which I thought was one of their main protests.

And I asked you do you see yourself as a chosen person ? Or are just going to be playing ostrich .
I don't really mind how other people think of themselves (so long as they act decently) but my personal philosophy is less one of people being chosen, and more that everyone chooses what they do and, to an extent, what they are/become. If that makes any sense.

If you check your old maps you'll find that the area now identified as Israel was identified as Palestine. The end!
Similarly, the area identified now as Pakistan was historically called India (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~poyntz/India/maps.html); Pakistan was partitioned off during independence.

LIAR ............

LIAR ....

Too much fun.

Geoff

My apologies; I was responding to Geoff who seemed to think that the Palestinians have a state, the lack of which I thought was one of their main protests.

It's true that it's not a proper state (although I would have no qualms about recognizing such a state, even if Hamas-led) but you have to admit it has some autonomy. They have elections, separate civil services, their own police and their own army (plus lots of less regular "volunteers"). How could Hamas even be elected head dogcatcher otherwise?

Geoff

LIAR ....

Too much fun.

Geoff
Fun Ill say
Here you are then: I made a mistake about Brian's stated beliefs.
ROFL just admit it you LIED ;)

ROFL just admit it you LIED ;)

Thick like a whale omelet.

Nope, didn't lie - or how would I not have noticed your lucky little denial there?

Gotcha.

Geoff

Thick like a whale omelet.

Nope, didn't lie - or how would I not have noticed your lucky little denial there?

Gotcha.

Geoff

Grow up for goodness sake! You got your name right at least, take pleasure in that!

My apologies; I was responding to Geoff who seemed to think that the Palestinians have a state, the lack of which I thought was one of their main protests.


I don't really mind how other people think of themselves (so long as they act decently) but my personal philosophy is less one of people being chosen, and more that everyone chooses what they do and, to an extent, what they are/become. If that makes any sense.
Just address the subject matter of JamesR thread , please . You defend the Jewish Apartheid/Zionist ideology of manufacturing of Israel simply into being an exclusive Jewish state which is the official title of Israel . You being a religious Jew you also must see yourself as a Chosen person as well as Israel being a divine gift and non-Jews are Gentiles (unclean) . So because of this I do not believe Jews should rule the world as the question of this thread asks , based on the evidence of the Jewish Apartheid/Zionist behaviour in their responsibility for the Human catastrophe the Palestinians suffered .

Grow up for goodness sake! You got your name right at least, take pleasure in that!
What amazes me is he actually claims he is a University Professor , I mean ......I dont know , has education values fallen that low in England :confused:

And judging by the human catastrophe Jews have caused in a small,tiny part of our world , in Palestine , lets hope Jews never rule the world .
Mr. Foley, could you please explain how the Jews caused the 'catastrophe' in what you call Palestine?

I would appreciate if you would include in your answer 1. Who the "Palestinian" people are - that is, from where did they come; and 2. Why those people weren't considered important prior to the 1968 war and Israel's annexation of that property, which previously belonged to Jordan and Syria?

Folks, I think the Jews would do a good job of running the world.

However, as long as we're talking about whack-job conspiricy theories, how about the Masons? I keep hearing about how the Masons have control over lots and lots of governments, corporations and even radio stations.

I've know several Masons; they are all good people. Even the casual acquaintance Masons I've met impress me.

If we're going to have a secret organization take over world dominance, I vote for the Masons.

My second choice would be the Jews. Third would be me. I'd be good at it. But I don't have a worldwide network. How about the NRA? They're good folks too.

I do not want to see the Sierra Club in power. I'm too fat and old to walk everywhere. And bicycle seats hurt my butt.

Mr. Foley, could you please explain how the Jews caused the 'catastrophe' in what you call Palestine?

I am afraid exposition is beyond Mr Foleys mental capabililities. *sigh*

What amazes me is he actually claims he is a University Professor , I mean ......I dont know , has education values fallen that low in England :confused:

Did I say I was in England? Or that I was a prof, for that matter? :D

Uh-oh. Now who's not being truthful?

Geoff

Mr. Foley, could you please explain how the Jews caused the 'catastrophe' in what you call Palestine?
The armed invasion of the Racist ideology of Zionism with the accompanying illegal migration of Jewish squatters what else .
I would appreciate if you would include in your answer 1. Who the "Palestinian" people are - that is, from where did they come;
The original Palestinians were of Caananite and Philistines then came the invasions and the start of its political history . In A.D. 135, the Romans changed the name of the province from Syria Judea to Syria Palaestina, which is the Latin version of the Greek name, and it became an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.

Approximate A.D. 390 Palaestine was organised into three units which constituted the map of Palestine pre 1948 Zionist catastrophe . Roman administration of Palestine ended temporarily during the Persian occupation of 614-28, then permanently after the Arabs conquered the region beginning in 635.

And that is where the Palestinian people came from and are they constitute today the indigenous people of that land .

Money was issued as well with palestine on it

http://www.drberlin.com/palestine/1mil.gif
and 2. Why those people weren't considered important prior to the 1968 war and Israel's annexation of that property, which previously belonged to Jordan and Syria?
Thats your opinion and likewise show me legitimate proof Palestininas did not exist prior to 1967 . And as for that land Syria and Jordan grabbed it to save it from the Zionists who in 1948 immediately advanced on the Palestinian areas .

please ban brian foley.

Why???

read his posts.

please ban brian foley.

read his posts.

please ban brian foley.

Devil give up this childish crusade to get Brian banned, if he was racist he would have been banned, many have recently. If you can't put up a good argument then we have a saying here in Uk...

''put up...or shut up''

Why haven't you called for Xerxes banning? He advocates the killing of Palestinian children, advocates the crucification of Jesus (would have flogged him himself...his words) racist blatant through and through...utter moron. The fact you keep chasing Brian around like this shows you are (even though you deny it) acting on racist motives, its ok to want Palestinian kids dead but not ok to ask questions or question a religion? Questioning and complaining and critisising in iteself is not racist. Post a race hate comment here and show us you know what one is???

There are bad things in every culture, as in every person.

You all do realise that it were the Jews that came up with interest rates and started to implement this into their bussinesses?

And I certainly know that you all know about the Arab womens who are volontierely or not so volontierely being subdued and frankly dominated by their male counterparts.

Did you know that Americans killed more people than Stalin and Hitler thogeter?



See where I'm getting at? It's not for anyone to rule the world, and no-one should,....we ALL rule this world TOGETHER and nothing else.

Devil give up this childish crusade to get Brian banned, if he was racist he would have been banned, many have recently. If you can't put up a good argument then we have a saying here in Uk...

''put up...or shut up''

Why haven't you called for Xerxes banning? He advocates the killing of Palestinian children, advocates the crucification of Jesus (would have flogged him himself...his words) racist blatant through and through...utter moron. The fact you keep chasing Brian around like this shows you are (even though you deny it) acting on racist motives, its ok to want Palestinian kids dead but not ok to ask questions or question a religion? Questioning and complaining and critisising in iteself is not racist. Post a race hate comment here and show us you know what one is???

1. im not interested in your opinion on the matter.
2. shut up.
3. please ban brian foley.

1. im not interested in your opinion on the matter.
2. shut up.
3. please ban brian foley.

racist

How can devil be racist for wanting to ban Foley?

If you were particularly cruel, you could argue Devil's anti-idiotarian. But racist? Come on.

Geoff

How can devil be racist for wanting to ban Foley?

If you were particularly cruel, you could argue Devil's anti-idiotarian. But racist? Come on.

Geoff

EASY, I'm using the same logic Devil uses to deduce Brian is racist to deduce that he is? What's not to understand?

Devil give up this childish crusade to get Brian banned, if he was racist he would have been banned, many have recently. If you can't put up a good argument then we have a saying here in Uk...

''put up...or shut up''

Why haven't you called for Xerxes banning? He advocates the killing of Palestinian children, advocates the crucification of Jesus (would have flogged him himself...his words) racist blatant through and through...utter moron. The fact you keep chasing Brian around like this shows you are (even though you deny it) acting on racist motives, its ok to want Palestinian kids dead but not ok to ask questions or question a religion? Questioning and complaining and critisising in iteself is not racist. Post a race hate comment here and show us you know what one is???

If racism is Devils enemy why isn't he on this guys case?

I'm sure Devil disagrees with Xerxes on that, but as far as I've seen Xerxes hasn't said much on the topic until recently whereas Devil has been reading Brian's posts for a while.

Either way, I don't think a call for banning is much use, especially since, not having had an effect so far, it's unlikely that further calls for banning will achieve anything, and they could be said to clutter the discussion ;)

EASY, I'm using the same logic Devil uses to deduce Brian is racist to deduce that he is? What's not to understand?

Brian's i) first categorized Jewish people as of such mixed heritage as to constitute no genetically independent group, in the face of all weight of evidence, and ii) then turned volte-face and categorized their scriptures as racism, inadvertently categorizing them as a race, and thus his criticisms of them as racist.

Devil...hasn't.

So how's Devil being racist then? (For that matter, how is Xerxes being racist? Palestinians aren't a "race"; or rather, they're the same race as Jews of all kinds. If he's Jewish - and he is - it isn't technically racism either.)

Geoff

Being anti-Palestinian might not be racism, but it's bigotry, and I don't see how that's any better.

Devil give up this childish crusade to get Brian banned, if he was racist he would have been banned, many have recently. If you can't put up a good argument then we have a saying here in Uk...

''put up...or shut up''
He has just made an utter idiot of himself , no one has paid any attention to him he began his campaign to have me banned some weeks back when that failed he shirked off back to his religious forum . Then he got a second wind and attempted to debate me on my “Todays lesson on working together” and prove I was a Jew Hater and as I took him on he ended falling flat on his face again so he ended up putting me on his ignore list .
Brian Foley
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havent read a sweeter thing all day.
That was 2 weeks ago then on my chosen people thread he began to argue me again then he decided that he was going to me banned .
if you persist on spreading lies, i will report you every single time you post, and it wont be long before you are banned, im sure.
*reports this thread as inappropriate to the religion forum, as it relates to not religion, but racism.*
Needless to say no one paid any attention to him .
can we get some moderation over here? if you arent going to ban him for not adding to intelligent discourse, at least delete the posts where he just claims the same thing over and over again.
And later in the thread he makes this plea to be heard LOL .
And believe me this clown has been Pming a lot about me ask JamesR .
He lives in a dream world first he claims he is a Christian then he tells me he is Jewish and then later he reveals he is Turkish but living in Belgium and then he is an American who has lived in most states and then claims he lived in a Black ghetto then tells me he is a Jewish convert . There is only one apt word to describe him F R U I T C A K E
whereas Devil has been reading Brian's posts for a while.
The guy is an Arsehole and you know it , if you try and apologize for him you just end up looking like that other Arsehole Geoff . We never agree but I have respect for you regardless Zephyr I can debate with you , your only downside is you are South African , not your fault though .
Brian's i) first categorized Jewish people as of such mixed heritage as to constitute no genetically independent group, in the face of all weight of evidence,
That is correct Jews are a relgious group not a race whereas you said :
- and one to the existence of Jews, which are a race.
and ii) then turned volte-face and categorized their scriptures as racism, inadvertently categorizing them as a race, and thus his criticisms of them as racist.
I did about face I did a post as I have told you on request from Zephyr on that subject .
Ah Foley, how thou hast fallen. Do some honest research and then try repeating that statement with a straight face. Better yet, start a topic in the religion forum and see how long your assertion stands. :rolleyes: And on that thread you did an about face and contradicted yourself .
Again, Jews are not a race, Foley.

ACTUALLY, i have resisted the urge to pm folks about you being banned.
good try though, liar.

also, everything i have ever said about myself is absolutely true. want directions to my house? ill gladly prove to you that i live in belgium. i can also provide ip addresses for ever place i have lived since 1997. interested in that? i have lived in so many places, you cant even understand.

as for my heritage, i really dont care what you believe and what you dont. i am french/turkish, was raised as a southern baptist, spent some time as a satanist, and then converted to judaism. logical progression, if you know anything about ANY of those religions.

of course, you are just some fucking redneck out in the middle of nowhere in the desert of australia, so i suppose that what you say is correct.

dont forget to go fuck yourself, racist asslicker.

please ban brian foley.

Being anti-Palestinian might not be racism, but it's bigotry, and I don't see how that's any better.

Agreed. There seems to be a recent trend of arguing technicalities though, and a trend is always my friend.

Geoff

I did about face I did a post as I have told you on request from Zephyr on that subject .

You didn't do an "about face" at the behest of anyone, save your own ego. I at least have a reason for changing my bloody stance.

Geoff

OK I think I better bow out this thread , it looks as though Neil & Bob here are determined to turn this into another Fuck Foley debate .

I don't follow your reasoning, yet find it hard to disagree with the sentiment.

Geoff

The Devil Inside:

Please do not insult other posters, or you may be banned from sciforums.

Also, be aware that we have a policy of banning people who call on the banning of others. If you continue in the same vein, I intend to implement that policy.

please leave brian alone his views are quality and interesting regardless of whether i agree with them
Brian, please dont call Geoff an arsehole, his views are also quality and interesting, regardless of wheterh i agree

ban me or him, then.

im fucking tired of having that ass constantly post insulting things about me.
why dont you read any of the posts where he is calling me a liar regarding my life, or calling me..what was it...F R U I T C A K E?

yeah, do something about it or dont. i really dont care. but until administrative action is taken, i dont think i have done anything wrong.

dont bow out Brian

come down devil.

dont get so touchy

calm down i mean

ban me or him, then.

im fucking tired of having that ass constantly post insulting things about me.
why dont you read any of the posts where he is calling me a liar regarding my life, or calling me..what was it...F R U I T C A K E?

yeah, do something about it or dont. i really dont care. but until administrative action is taken, i dont think i have done anything wrong.

Interesting Devil, check out your insult to brian i presume
"of course, you are just some fucking redneck out in the middle of nowhere in the desert of australia, so i suppose that what you say is correct.

dont forget to go fuck yourself, racist asslicker."

is that one aimed at brian?

zak: by your post count, i am assuming that you havent been around for very long. i have been dealing with him for well over six months now. no offense, but ill be as touchy as i like.

and to be perfectly honest, banning me will be banning one of the most outspoken moderates on this forum (which it needs more of, in my opinion)

and yes the insult is directed at him. if one side can play ball, why cant the other?

I never wanted you banned devil, i just dont want brian banned either.

you are right, i have been posting since january, so still a little new.

If you are both insulting each other than their is no problem, as you both give as good as you get. And to be honest i find the banter quite amusing, quality entertainment in parts!! I know a bit sad.

Anyway about the thread.....

If jews ruled the world what would happen to the famous british Pub happy hour!!!! as my friend Darren sontag used to tell me

zak: by your post count, i am assuming that you havent been around for very long. i have been dealing with him for well over six months now. no offense, but ill be as touchy as i like.

and to be perfectly honest, banning me will be banning one of the most outspoken moderates on this forum (which it needs more of, in my opinion)

and yes the insult is directed at him. if one side can play ball, why cant the other?


Actually Devil you're coming across as an obsessive dare I say it ....bakery item. If you carry on this personal vendetta all you will be remembered for is being a 'joke', try to get off personalities and back onto topic.

Actually Devil you're coming across as an obsessive dare I say it ....bakery item. If you carry on this personal vendetta all you will be remembered for is being a 'joke', try to get off personalities and back onto topic.

if i cared what people thought of me, it might matter.

i am sick and tired of logging on here and seeing at least 5 "jews are evil" posts every day.
not all of it comes from brian foley, but enough do.

i will not drop this until he or i are banned. thats all there is to it.

if i cared what people thought of me, it might matter.

i am sick and tired of logging on here and seeing at least 5 "jews are evil" posts every day.
not all of it comes from brian foley, but enough do.

i will not drop this until he or i are banned. thats all there is to it.

i take it you dont look at posts from oliver, visitor, geoff and kiwi to name just 4 off the top of my head bearing in mind i am a newy here

if i cared what people thought of me, it might matter.

i am sick and tired of logging on here and seeing at least 5 "jews are evil" posts every day.
not all of it comes from brian foley, but enough do.

i will not drop this until he or i are banned. thats all there is to it.

looks like you're gonna be banned then, as you have been warned already have you not? only a fool persists with something when they have blatantly
been told it won't work. Your tying your own noose and begging to be hanged?

i take it you dont look at posts from oliver, visitor, geoff and kiwi to name just 4 off the top of my head bearing in mind i am a newy here

geoffp can be reasoned with, and doesnt promote racism of all kinds.
kiwi has already been banned at least once that i know of, and has toned down since then.
oliver can be reasoned with.
visitor can be reasoned with.

only brian foley insists on being belligerent about this subject, and i want him banned for it. doesnt have to be permanent, but he needs to know that hatespeech wont be tolerated here. and if it IS tolerated, then i guess banning me is a better solution, so he can get on with his bigotry.

looks like you're gonna be banned then, as you have been warned already have you not? only a fool persists with something when they have blatantly
been told it won't work. Your tying your own noose and begging to be hanged?

its called standing up for what you think is right.

you should try it sometime.

its called standing up for what you think is right.

you should try it sometime.

I have been doing, or are you so caught up in your own personal drama you are unaware of it?

no drama. just fact.
he is a bigot, and i want him gone.
if you dont like it, suck it up. my opinion or actions arent going to change.

please ban brian foley.

Actually Devil you're coming across as an obsessive dare I say it ....bakery item. If you carry on this personal vendetta all you will be remembered for is being a 'joke', try to get off personalities and back onto topic.
please leave brian alone his views are quality and interesting regardless of whether i agree with them
Brian, please dont call Geoff an arsehole, his views are also quality and interesting, regardless of wheterh i agree
Just for your edification and to clear this up , I had never answered any of Devils posts or threads I was completely unaware of his presence on sciforums as he was 100% involoved on the religious forum . He became fixated on me in January of this year when out of the blue he jumped on one of my thraeds and intoned :
France threatens a nuclear strike if attacked (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51627)
i, for one, am tired of brian foley stinking up the forum with the same topic over and over again, repeated in every single thread.
if he wanted to talk about israel/the nations that hate israel, isnt there a palestine/israel thread sticky?

come on, mods...lets clean this pigsty up.
:m:
Since then it has been a consistent pattern of stalking and provoking . As for his claim of insulting him that is only as you yourselves have witnessed in retaliation for his barbs towards me . 17% of the threads I have constructed have been about Isreal or Palestine I at present do not answer him any longer or respond to his barbs.

1. that wasnt my first post to you.
2. the post you use as an example is taken out of context.
3. you DO stink this forum up with you ignorant bigotry, and you deserve to be banned.
4. you add nothing intellectual to this forum.
5. fuck you.

please ban brian foley.

Utilitarianism -- democracy, consumerism, popularity -- rules this world. And is destroying it. Jews/Masons are at best a symptom of that decline.

17% of the threads I have constructed have been about Isreal or Palestine

and what do you know....100% of it is racist, hitleresque garbage.

I at present do not answer him any longer or respond to his barbs.

this is because i have several times stonewalled you on your points. you even resorted to asking the same question over and over (see his subjects and comments on what "chosen people"), even though i answer you scripturally and culturally as to what the term meant.

you are a troll that masquerades behind a facade of self importance and righteousness. you dont care about anything but yourself, and that is what initially sickened me about your posts. that is why i dont jump on others' cases about their racism. you pretend to be knowledgable on subjects in which you have no background, and that is dangerous. this is because the weak minded or the foolish will read words on an "intelligent" forum, and take opinions as fact. you have no facts regarding the subject of jewish culture, or jewish mindset. all you have is ignorance, and an inability to deal with people calling you out on said idiocy.

i doubt you will be banned, and i am sure that i will be. the difference between you and i is this:
i try to do what is right, and you do what is right for brian foley.

take a seat at the kiddy table, as that is where you belong.


please ban brian foley.

Agreed. Foley stonewalls. Big time.

Geoff

To me big time stonewalling is when you attribute a remark to a person then can not cite the post and instead of expressing regret tell them "to go wash their hood".

To me stonewalling is avoiding response on clearly posed questions.

I've already expressed my regrets to Foley - more, certainly, than he deserves. If you don't know the system, avoid commenting.

Geoff

geoffp can be reasoned with, and doesnt promote racism of all kinds.
kiwi has already been banned at least once that i know of, and has toned down since then.
oliver can be reasoned with.
visitor can be reasoned with.

only brian foley insists on being belligerent about this subject, and i want him banned for it. doesnt have to be permanent, but he needs to know that hatespeech wont be tolerated here. and if it IS tolerated, then i guess banning me is a better solution, so he can get on with his bigotry.
The point was devil is that these forums are not all about jew bashing and that there are a lot of posters who take a good light of israel and jews etc..
Including myself about the Jew and normal israeli bit anyway

only brian foley insists on being belligerent about this subject, and i want him banned for it.

So you want someone banned because they refuse to change their opinions to support your wants and needs? I see. Brian has a right to an opinion, as long as it is identical to yours.


doesnt have to be permanent,

How considerate. You're 'only' demanding a temporary ban against someone who has expressed an opinion that is different from yours.


but he needs to know that hatespeech wont be tolerated here.

I fail to see where Brian has engaged in 'hate speech'. The mere fact that he has offended your tender sensibilities doesn't amount to him having engaged in 'hate speech'.


and if it IS tolerated, then i guess banning me is a better solution, so he can get on with his bigotry.

If you aren't happy with Brian's remarks, then there is one simple option. Ignore him. Sciforums has a function which allows you to ignore a individual's posts.

Oh, but wait. This really has nothing to do with you being offended. In fact, I bet that you LOVE being offended. It gives you an adrenaline rush in your otherwise boring, stale, PoS life. Your real aim is to censor anyone whose opinion differs from yours. So the ignore function probably won't suit your agenda.

Hmm, perhaps you could send the following PM to the admins.
"BAN BRAIN FOLEE, OR I WHILL DOO SUICIDE!!111ONEONE"

If that doesn't frighten them into banning Brian, they will at least realize that you were dropped at birth, and hence will sympathize with you. Perhaps they will ban Brian, out of pity.

if you knew me, mountainhare...i might care that you only posted that to upset me.
as it is, it doesnt upset me, but tells me something about you.

you are a rightist ass that cannot follow a pattern through more than one thread.

suck a dick.

please ban brian foley.

GeoffP
I am unable to find the post where you apologized for attributing remaks to Brian Foley that can not be cited; nor can I find any apology for the "go wash your hood" insults.

Then seek on, gentle stranger, seek on. I recommend starting right from the very first post I ever put on SciForums; be sure to cross-check all the comments and associated threads and get back to me when you're done.

And be sure to use Chlorox. I imagine you really want a really white shine for the headgear; the robe probably only gets dirty around the hem from the midnight walks in deserted mudfields. That and the cinders, maybe?

Geoff

dont forget how dirty you get from all the people that dont think exactly like you do, geoffp. :p

icky fuckers. at least geoffp isnt a psycho right wing nutjob.

Nobody is going to be banned, so you can either go on virtually bashing eachothers head in

OR

You can always leave sciforums if you can't stand other opinions.

Is that how YOU would rule the world? You can't 'rule' sciforums for a bit, let alone this post,...

You actually would try to BAN any person off the 'MAP' (of the world) meaning: dispose of them. I don't see how you people can claim ANY ethics but this seems VERY insulting to me, it does.

What was the subject of this thread again?

Who's "you people"? Are you referring to me? Why would I dispose of bloody anyone?

Except whoever wrote, directed, and starred in "Vendetta". I imagine I'd burn the negatives, too, and fire the ashes out of a cannon into the Chesapeake. Also: soap opera writers. *shudder*

Geoff