So called american freedom!

Discussion in 'World Events' started by skywalker, Feb 10, 2003.

  1. skywalker 3 @ T M 3 Registered Senior Member

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  3. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "In the Turkish context, concerns about the direct effects of isolation are augmented by a suspicion that the closed environment of an isolation unit may facilitate torture, ill-treatment, and other cruel, inhuman or degrading abuses. Torture is a long-standing problem in Turkish police stations and gendarmeries. Most observers, including the U.N. special rapporteur on torture and the U.N. Committee for the Prevention of Torture agree that incommunicado detention—the lack of access to family, independent medical care, and legal counsel—is the single most important factor in the persistence of torture. Turkish prisons do not have a good reputation, but it is nevertheless true that detainees blindfolded and tortured under police interrogation are frequently relieved when a court formally commits them to prison—because only then will they be able to reestablish contact with the outside world. Families, well aware of the history of death and "disappearance" in Turkish police stations, are often similarly relieved when their relative arrives safely in prison."
    - http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/turkey/prison/


    http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/mena/

    It happens all over the world. The fact that you single out the U.S. seems to suggest you have some huge hatred for the United States for other reasons.

    On top of which, this seems to not be a matter of ethics or justice - though you appear to wish to make it so. Saying "The U.S. does bad things!" is not a matter of ethics of justice. If it was, I could start a thread about nearly every nation out there.

    It's times like this I think we should all sit down and think through the purpose of starting a thread before we post. If the purpose is something along the lines of; "(Insert country/person here - though likely it'll be America/Bush) is/are evil and I have proof!" - it should be sent to Free Thoughts. Unless, of course, it is actually a debate thread with proper function.
     
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    "So it is ok if it happens here too?. You assume that I hate USA? Why do u go to extreme? Is it in your nature? or is it patriotism? HUGE HATRED? wow... you sound like GW right now. So you concluded it from my single link that i have HUGE HATE?. LOL
    Pathetic."

    Why do you care so much to inform the world that the U.S. has used torture methods?


    "Please do that. It would be nice to show the world that since every one is doing it, we should do it too. SO you are advocating that if US does something bad don't tell and don't say, since the whole world does it too and it makes it all good?"

    I never said it made it good. Stop putting words in my mouth.


    "Move it where ever you like."

    Can't.


    "People came to usa from all over the world to be safe and be secured and now they are getting same torture they could have got in third world country. Sad and pathetic. Now, if one tried to post it on the forum, it suddenly became issue of patriotism and hate against one country. Very good thiking you are doing a good job. Keep up the good work"

    This one link you gave is like torture in a third world country? Sky, it's not even like torture in most of the Middle East let alone places in Africa.



    Oh, yeah....
    I'm Canadian. Not American.
     
  8. spookz Banned Banned

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    skywalker

    when usa attacks iraq, india will fry pakistan! your ass is toast boy!
     
  9. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    ATTACK CANADA! They have nukes, and are dissing Amerika! If that isn't enough the bastards think they are better hockey players, eh?
     
  10. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, okay. I know I've long spoken up against improper thread hijacking and teh such, but it's my duty!


    "the bastards think they are better hockey players, eh?"

    Think? Think?
    Who won the Olympics?
    How'd your boys do at the World Juniors?
    How'd your women do at the Olympics?
    How many Americans have won the Conn Smythe for leading their team to the Cup?
    How many Americans have captained a team to the Cup?
    How many Americans have won the scoring title?

    Mike Modano just became the second U.S. player to hit 400 goals and 600 assists in a career. Over fifteen Canadians have done it.
     
  11. spookz Banned Banned

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    didnt mama tell ya there is no honor in an ugly win?
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    ATTACK CANADA NOW!!! SEE HOW TOUCHY THEY ARE!

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  13. man_of_jade Psychic person Registered Senior Member

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    O yeah?! well we have better beer!

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    (and the city i live in is bustling in the :m: trade apparently, but aint Canada great?

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  14. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Save me a spot up there, will ya? Hope you don't mind if I bring a few hundred thousand friends when the big Freakout begins down here.

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    Mention hockey to a Canadian and they suddenly want equal air time. What's that all aboot?

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    Some dreams are half a century old but they never materialized. You can add this one to your wish list. Trust me on this one. By the way good search. ha.

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  17. skywalker 3 @ T M 3 Registered Senior Member

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    Taste of your own medicine sir. Enjoy.

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    That's what makes me sad...

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    But fortunatly, most Canadians are not worshipers of US...

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    Canucks just won 2 vs 1 against Chicago!!

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  19. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    after reading the article, i would have been suspicious too.
     
  20. Gifted World Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    The problem is, it's not suposed to happen, it's against the constitution.
     
  21. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Yes Gifted! And when enough Americans finally realize that their Constitution and basic American-ness are being obliterated by the Busheviks, then: Americans (republican, democrat, former republican, democrat) are going to make some heads roll in Washington.

    I want my country back, and I can promise this: I will live in a civilised, democratic, and prosperous United States- Or I will be killed in the struggle to make it so.
     
  22. Gifted World Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    The guns are on me.

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  23. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "But fortunatly, most Canadians are not worshipers of US..."

    Actually, Nelson, I'm quite against the vast majority of things the current U.S. government does. Fortunatly, however, I am quite capable of thinking for myself. A rather large number of members of this site happen to be anti-U.S. and aren't able to think. So anything the U.S. does is bad to them.

    You can find these people all over the place. They usually are spouting bullshit like "HOW DO WE KNOW SADDAM HAS WEAPONS?"

    It's the same people who questioned going to war with the Nazis.
     

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