Sydney, Australia (AHN) - Controversial mufti Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali has again angered both Muslims and Australians by speaking out about his faith and current homeland.

Sheik Hilali participated in an Egyptian television interview where he made claims that his people have more entitlement to Australia than those with a convict heritage and continued to express his disdain towards westerners.

He said, "The Western people are the biggest liars and oppressors and especially the English race."
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006113351

And now he's going to mosey back on in to the country like nothing happened?
He should be shown first hand how many rights he has to australia by never being allowed back in the country. That favour we did of letting him in should be taken back to give him a little reality check.
It turns out many muslims living in australia agree with me, with most of the uproar over the comments coming from the muslim community.

Is this the African American Gay Support Network? Oh I'm sorry. I'm in the wrong room....

It's Snakey Sheik takes the cake, not "Hung like a snake, takes the beefcake", with Jeff Striker. Easy mistake.

I didn't know snakes have penoids.

I think they might have two, actually.

Where are they located?

In their abdomen, they slip throuh a slot near their anus when the snake is aroused.
Or the anus and dual penii might use the same cloacal opening. I'm not sure.

for allah's sake! from the mountains to the lake, we are all for the take.

Muslims 'more Australian than Anglos'
Courier Mail, Australia -
CONTROVERSIAL Islamic cleric Taj al-Din al-Hilali has reportedly claimed Muslims have more right to be in Australia than people of Anglo-Saxon descent ...

Gay snakes who do you know what to themselves?

Sydney, Australia (AHN) - Controversial mufti Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali has again angered both Muslims and Australians by speaking out about his faith and current homeland.

Sheik Hilali participated in an Egyptian television interview where he made claims that his people have more entitlement to Australia than those with a convict heritage and continued to express his disdain towards westerners.

He said, "The Western people are the biggest liars and oppressors and especially the English race."
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And now he's going to mosey back on in to the country like nothing happened?
He should be shown first hand how many rights he has to australia by never being allowed back in the country. That favour we did of letting him in should be taken back to give him a little reality check.
It turns out many muslims living in australia agree with me, with most of the uproar over the comments coming from the muslim community.
Is there a land on the face of the earth that does not belong to Muslims? :mad:
Did you read that Hilai said that Muslims have more claim to the land of Australia than the anglos?

Well, they do say that all the world will submit to Allah.

And now he's going to mosey back on in to the country like nothing happened?

Oh, I doubt that will happen.

It turns out many muslims living in australia agree with me, with most of the uproar over the comments coming from the muslim community.

There's nothing like a nutter to bring out the more reasonable people.

Lets face it. The guy is a buffoon.

You take the comments from the individual making it, not for the whole religion.

His comments about Muslims having more right to Australia than those of Anglo-Saxon descent was said in relation to those of Anglo-Saxon descent having had ancestors who first came to Australia as convicts. Again we are seeing Muslims running in the opposite direction in complete embarrassment. How or why he is still in the position of Mufti, no one actually knows. Muslims I know are also asking the same question. And if comments in the media were any indication, quite a few of the Muslim groups are also demanding how and why this man can still be in the public eye and in the position he is at present.

Link (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21047891-2,00.html)

where is he taking the cake to?
i'd take it to the bakery
to see the other cakes
a cake isnt even that hard to carry
easy as pie :D

Lets face it. The guy is a buffoon.

You take the comments from the individual making it, not for the whole religion.


he is also the Mufti of Australia... i.e. the highest Muslim authority in the entire country
he's not your local convenience store clerk

maybe he should bother to learn better English and be a little more friendly and diplomatic, considering his position.

i wonder how "normal" Australian Muslims feel having this primitive graceless tactless mumbling slackjaw representing them

Who decided he should be Mufti?

he is also the Mufti of Australia... i.e. the highest Muslim authority in the entire country
he's not your local convenience store clerk

maybe he should bother to learn better English and be a little more friendly and diplomatic, considering his position.

i wonder how "normal" Australian Muslims feel having this primitive graceless tactless mumbling slackjaw representing them
Well they are baying for his removal if the media is anything to go by. I think they too are sick and tired of his being seen to be the representative of "all" Muslims in the country. And who can blame them.

Community Relations Commissioner and secretary of the Pakistan Association of Australia Wajiha Ahmed said Sheik Hilaly's claim that gang rapist Bilal Skaf received a tougher sentence because he was a Muslim was an outrage.

"This is completely incorrect and disgusting and offensive to the brave victims," she said.

Ms Ahmed said the sheik should also immediately apologise for and withdraw his claim that Westerners are liars and Muslims have more right to be in Australia than Anglo Saxons.

"Every Muslim and non-Muslim alike I know is outraged and offended by the comments made by the sheik," she said.

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The Muslim Council of NSW expressed its shock and dismay at the Mufti's comments. Other progressive Muslims were also outraged.

"He is a lunatic, we don't listen to what he says because he doesn't represent us," said one Turkish Muslim, who did not want to be named.
Link (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21048573-5001021,00.html)

Lunatic indeed.

After the last debacle with the comments about rape victims, I remember one Muslim community leader saying he was ashamed and embarrassed and was saying the Mufti had to resign or be kicked out. Sadly it did not happen and it has happened again.

I think the only voice of support for the Mufti is from his long time friend and representative and even he looked embarrassed when interviewed by the Australian media. Who can blame him.

The nation's peak Muslim body, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, was refusing to make any comment as it is under administration but fresh elections in February mean there could soon be a change of leadership less supportive of the Mufti.
Hilaly has his supporters in Lakemba, where he preaches. However Muslims around the country are saying he needs to go. As one put it yesterday..

Mr Kerkyasharian said: "To go overseas and say there is no freedom for Muslims in Australia is absolutely outrageous and I'm sure that the vast majority of Muslims in Australia do not agree with him.

"They would rather have him shut his mouth and not say any of these things."
Link (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21047891-2,00.html)

And shut up he should. The Muslims in Lakemba really now need to decide if they want this man to represent them and face the outrage of the rest of the Muslim community and the Australian community as a whole. Because at the moment, the majority of the Australian Muslims want him out. Hopefully the elections in February will have him ousted.

Again:

Why do we let these enemies into our lands?

They are invaders and must be expelled. Every last one of them.

Again:

Why do we let these enemies into our lands?

They are invaders and must be expelled. Every last one of them.But that won't happen. Racist whites will see their race become a minority around the globe. The solution is simple though: Eradicate poverty. With that comes education and a lower birth rate. OR we can just bitch about it and nurture hatred.

Again:

Why do we let these enemies into our lands?

They are invaders and must be expelled. Every last one of them.

Wait a second...Where are you from?...england? america?

England-Norman invaders.

America-English and Spanish invaders.

So really, we can't call them invaders can we?

Your just a racist, white supremist...

and maybe you shouldn't even bother commenting, and leave it too the people who actually have something useful and something that actually contributes to the discussion.

...

NOW

back to the thread...

living in australia, its hard to see why he even said those things...i'm pretty sure muslims and ever other migrant has it pretty good. they shouldn't make it harder for themselves by saying such stupid things that just make people mad...a leader of a religious group especially...

But that won't happen. Racist whites will see their race become a minority around the globe. The solution is simple though: Eradicate poverty. With that comes education and a lower birth rate. OR we can just bitch about it and nurture hatred.

It would be nice to eradicate poverty, but it will never happen...

the human population is like the animal kingdom, and there needs to be a top, and bottom of the food chain...i'm not saying let them starve and die of thirst. i'm just saying we can't all have the luxurys of western society. we would have no natural recources left.

And people just arent natural sharers

Again:

Why do we let these enemies into our lands?

They are invaders and must be expelled. Every last one of them.
Who is "they" exactly?

The majority of Muslims living in Australia are equally outraged by what this twit has said. And they are voicing their opinion that he should go or simply not return to Australia.

I can assure you I have met white Australians who make equally stupid comments as Hilaly. I have met white Australians who's families arrived here after they stopped shipping the convicts over and refers to descendants of those convicts as being criminals and says they don't belong here. It takes all kinds to make a world.

This guy is but one individual. Are there other people that think like he does, Muslim and non-Muslim alike? Definately. If we were to expel 'them', the country would have very few living in it considering we are all either migrants or descendants of migrants in the first place in the last couple of hundred years. So 'them' encompasses every single one of us in Australia who is not of Aboriginal descent.

Hilaly, like Cardinal Pell, are both dills who embarrass worshipers of both their respective faiths. Exhibit A of Pell:

The situation of the United States and Australia is not as dire as this, although there is no cause for complacency. It is not just a question of having more children, but of rediscovering reasons to trust in the future. Some of the hysteric and extreme claims about global warming are also a symptom of pagan emptiness, of Western fear when confronted by the immense and basically uncontrollable forces of nature. Belief in a benign God who is master of the universe has a steadying psychological effect, although it is no guarantee of Utopia, no guarantee that the continuing climate and geographic changes will be benign. In the past pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods. Today they demand a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.
Link (http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/Archbishop/Addresses/200627_681.shtml)


Sorry, off topic but it is one of my favourite idiot quotes by Pell. Idiocy exists in all religions. Hilaly won't be the first or the last to make stupid comments. Neither will Pell.

Now if you'll excuse me, I apparently need to find something to sacrifice to the pagan god of environmental change.;)

Why do we let these enemies into our lands?

Which enemies?

Genji:

But that won't happen. Racist whites will see their race become a minority around the globe. The solution is simple though: Eradicate poverty. With that comes education and a lower birth rate. OR we can just bitch about it and nurture hatred.

Actually, does not prosperity -increase- the birth rate? Prosperous nations have a low birth rate owing to other reasons. Social movements, for instance, as well as the cost of living (it is hard to say one lives in prosperity when it has become very expensive to live).

Free Matt 147:

Wait a second...Where are you from?...england? america?

England-Norman invaders.

America-English and Spanish invaders.

So really, we can't call them invaders can we?

Invaders are bad for indigeneous populations no matter where they are. King Arthur fought against the Saxons. King Harold against the Normans. The American Indians against the White Man. Et cetera, et cetera...

Just because I am a child of conquering people, does not mean I in turn wish to be conquered.

Your just a racist, white supremist...

Where did I mention race?

And it is white supremacist, by the way.

Bells:

This guy is but one individual. Are there other people that think like he does, Muslim and non-Muslim alike? Definately. If we were to expel 'them', the country would have very few living in it considering we are all either migrants or descendants of migrants in the first place in the last couple of hundred years. So 'them' encompasses every single one of us in Australia who is not of Aboriginal descent.

Here we go again with the "nation of immigrants" nonsense, this time used for Australia.

Whether or not Australians were born of immigrants is irrelevant. The inhabitants of Australia today are not immigrants in the majority and have a right to claim who and who cannot come to their nation. They also ought to look out for their country and letting adherents of the Islamic religion come in is bad news.

Now if you'll excuse me, I apparently need to find something to sacrifice to the pagan god of environmental change.

I have a spare farm animal or two. But it'll cost you. I use their entrails for scrying.

James R.:

Which enemies?

Adherents of the Islamic religion, aka, Moslems. Islam is contrary to the principles which serve as the foundation for the West. Specifically those who espouse the radical type, which seems to increasingly be more and more Moslems.

Genji:



Actually, does not prosperity -increase- the birth rate? Prosperous nations have a low birth rate owing to other reasons. Social movements, for instance, as well as the cost of living (it is hard to say one lives in prosperity when it has become very expensive to live).

Free Matt 147:



Invaders are bad for indigeneous populations no matter where they are. King Arthur fought against the Saxons. King Harold against the Normans. The American Indians against the White Man. Et cetera, et cetera...

Just because I am a child of conquering people, does not mean I in turn wish to be conquered.



Where did I mention race?

And it is white supremacist, by the way.

Bells:



Here we go again with the "nation of immigrants" nonsense, this time used for Australia.

Whether or not Australians were born of immigrants is irrelevant. The inhabitants of Australia today are not immigrants in the majority and have a right to claim who and who cannot come to their nation. They also ought to look out for their country and letting adherents of the Islamic religion come in is bad news.



I have a spare farm animal or two. But it'll cost you. I use their entrails for scrying.

James R.:



Adherents of the Islamic religion, aka, Moslems. Islam is contrary to the principles which serve as the foundation for the West. Specifically those who espouse the radical type, which seems to increasingly be more and more Moslems.I disagree. Prosperous and wealthy nations have education to thank for keeping low birth rates. China, Japan, Western Europe, the USA, Israel (dependent on foreigners moving there) and Russia all have low birth rates. Poverty stricken nations with little emphasis on education have huge birthrates; Sub Saharan Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Mexico for example.

James:

I guess your going to tell me that hating muslims (how it's spelt properly) isnt racist? well, i believe it is...not ever muslim is a terrorist or extreamist, just like every christian isnt a member of the KKK...or ever african american is a member of the black panthers.

and about the invaders, i was just stating that you wouldnt be where you were without people invading, and that muslims arent invading...its called migrating you tool. You are not indigeneous.

Prince_James:

Whether or not Australians were born of immigrants is irrelevant. The inhabitants of Australia today are not immigrants in the majority and have a right to claim who and who cannot come to their nation.

From memory, about 25% of Australians are first-generation immigrants. Another significant fraction are 2nd-generation immigrants. You don't have to go back too far to get a majority.

They also ought to look out for their country and letting adherents of the Islamic religion come in is bad news.

Not according to Australians.

You talk about things you know nothing about. I bet you've never even been to Australia.

Adherents of the Islamic religion, aka, Moslems. Islam is contrary to the principles which serve as the foundation for the West.

Which principles would they be? Christianity?

Specifically those who espouse the radical type, which seems to increasingly be more and more Moslems.

And right-wing racists, it seems.

Prince James:
why do you spell muslims, moslems?

Here we go again with the "nation of immigrants" nonsense, this time used for Australia.

Ermmm if you had known anything about Australia, you would realise that quite a huge number are either migrants or the children of migrants one way or another.

Whether or not Australians were born of immigrants is irrelevant. The inhabitants of Australia today are not immigrants in the majority and have a right to claim who and who cannot come to their nation. They also ought to look out for their country and letting adherents of the Islamic religion come in is bad news.
I am an migrant to Australia and have been here for over 27 years after having come here as a small child. I consider this country to be my own as much as any person born here. Hilaly was granted the right to stay in this country by the Australian Government, as are all migrants. It appears to only be of late that he has started coming out with the insane comments that he has been. The majority of the Muslim population in Australia not only disagree with him, some are calling for him to not bother coming back from Egypt.

Would I consider the every day run of the mill Muslim trying to make a life for themself "adherent"? Hardly. Not all Muslims are migrants. Many white Australians have and are converting to Islam. Should they also be thrown out? Where too? They were born here of Anglo-Saxon parents. But by and large, the majority of the Muslims living in Australia are really nice people who work, attend schools and live their lives like everyone else.

Or are you saying you blame the whole for the actions of the few?

Adherents of the Islamic religion, aka, Moslems. Islam is contrary to the principles which serve as the foundation for the West. Specifically those who espouse the radical type, which seems to increasingly be more and more Moslems.
I think most religions are contrary to Western idealogy. Especially of late. Religions like Catholicism for example are still entrenched in the backward paternalistic and sexist ideals of the past. And their influence in the public sector and the Government grows daily. I have a family member who is a religious fundamentalist, only she is a Christian. I consider her to be more dangerous than the majority of the Islamic population in this country. Her views are just as extreme and vile as Hilaly's are. She actively advocates for the mass slaughter of all non-Christian individuals or their expulsion at the very least because they do not believe in her version of 'God'. And she has friends who believe as strongly as she does, all of whom are white Anglo-Saxon Australians who's families have been here for generations. Fundamentalism and its dangers are not only found in Islam. I think you would find that most religions have their extreme sections and all of them pose a danger to our Western way of life, not just Islam.

Fundamentalism and its dangers are not only found in Islam. I think you would find that most religions have their extreme sections and all of them pose a danger to our Western way of life, not just Islam.

Why do people bring up Christianity when Islam is criticized? Islam is a synthesis of Christianity, Judaism and arab pagan traditions. All abrahamic religions are intolerant and evangelistic.

Criticism of Islam does not equate to support of Christianity. I'm not one of the fucking 'people of the book'.

Lets all just agree that fundermentalists are bad...

Racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination are equally bad.

there we go.

Lets all just agree that fundermentalists are bad...

Racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination are equally bad.

there we go.
An extremist view, but a novel one.

Why do people bring up Christianity when Islam is criticized? Islam is a synthesis of Christianity, Judaism and arab pagan traditions. All abrahamic religions are intolerant and evangelistic.

Criticism of Islam does not equate to support of Christianity. I'm not one of the fucking 'people of the book'.
My point was that one can be as bad as the other. PJ said that Muslims were somehow more dangerous, but others can be and are equally as dangerous. As you said yourself, all Abrahamic religions all have their bad sides.

And no where have I said that to criticise Islam, one somehow supports Christianity. I'd suggest you slow down a tad and actually read what was written.:)