YOU dont LIVE on this PLANET if you need PROOF that WHITE MEN were[b]RESPONSIBLE for the DEATH[/] of many [b]AFRICAN SLAVES.

My god you cannot possibly be this fucking ignorant.You would be jumped,beat up,stabbed,robbed or laughed at if you were in New York City and said this.The entire city would laugh at you.

Were you born in Jena,Louisiana? I always thought people like were all dead until i saw the mentalities of that town.I mean serious do you realllllly think i am unable to prove that your ancestors were responsible for the deaths of millions of african slaves?

OH WOW!.

Kadark if your reading this should i do it? Is it even worth it?

lol.

It really is disgraceful how people can still, to this very day, demand proof for the unparalleled atrocities of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It is the most barbaric crime in the history of mankind, perpetrated by Jews and Whites entirely. You know, when somebody denies certain proponents of the Holocaust, they are labeled as racist maniacs. Yet here we have somebody who has the audacity to ask for proof concerning the crimes of slavery at the hands of White men. I'm not Black myself, but people of any race can recognize the brutality of Black slavery and the people who deserve the blame.

the most barbaric crime in the history of mankind


That was the Holocaust.

Trans-Atlantic slavery didn't even come close.

Transporting people across the Atlantic in boats is not a crime.

Not now, not then.

That was the Holocaust.

Trans-Atlantic slavery didn't even come close.

Transporting people across the Atlantic in boats is not a crime.

Not now, not then.

You're a fucking idiot, just as I had suspected. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade killed over 30 million Africans over a grueling period of slavery. The Holocaust is NOTHING compared to the crimes of slavery. Transporting people in slave ships is not a crime? One-fifth of the slaves died on those ships, you idiot.

You're a fucking idiot, just as I had suspected. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade killed over 30 million Africans over a grueling period of slavery. The Holocaust is NOTHING compared to the crimes of slavery. Transporting people in slave ships is not a crime? One-fifth of the slaves died on those ships, you idiot.

Kadark,

When you leave your mummy and daddies house then you can lecture me.

Until you do, here's a simple lesson in economics: no merchant throws his own cargo away, whether that be humans, livestock, vegetable or mineral. When was the last time you heard of a businessman destroying his own stock?

For that simple reason every slave was valued.

Any losses incurred during trade would certainly have not been malicious on the part of the trader as he would suffer as a result. He would have worked hard to ensure safe transportation of 100% of his cargo. Getting his cargo to its destination enabled him to get paid.

So if you are trying to represent this as some kind of malicious act similar to the Holocaust you are way off base. Once you've got a job you'll understand what I'm talking about. The Nazis set out to kill the Jews, but the Europeans, Jews and Arabs were involved in a business which required them to maintain the health of the cargo (people) they were transporting.

Kadark,

When you leave your mummy and daddies house then you can lecture me.

Until you do, here's a simple lesson in economics: no merchant throws his own cargo away, whether that be humans, livestock, vegetable or mineral. When was the last time you heard of a businessman destroying his own stock?

For that simple reason every slave was valued.

Any losses incurred during trade would certainly have not been malicious on the part of the trader as he would suffer as a result. He would have worked hard to ensure safe transportation of 100% of his cargo. Getting his cargo to its destination enabled him to get paid.

So if you are trying to represent this as some kind of malicious act similar to the Holocaust you are way off base. Once you've got a job you'll understand what I'm talking about. The Nazis set out to kill the Jews, but the Europeans, Jews and Arabs were involved in a business which required them to maintain the health of the cargo (people) they were transporting.

Way to sugar-coat slavery there, asshole. Maintaining the health is such an arbitrary excuse, considering any and all slaves who were past their prime were ruthlessly butchered. Yeah, you're fed and clothed minimally if you can work; however, the moment you get sick, or the moment aging catches up with your sorry ass, they kill you like you're a worthless animal. The owners of the slaves couldn't have cared too fervently for their unfortunate slaves, considering up to 20% of them died on those ships due to malnutrition. If they didn't die from a lack of resources, they killed themselves because the treatment was unbearable. Your "business" analogy holds no ground with me. What I see is how 30 million Africans were shipped to different parts of the world to be slaves, and how they all died from substandard conditions, or were purposely killed because the food they were fed outweighed their labor contributions.

Were the Jews killed systematically and targeted by the Nazis? Sure. So were asocials, homosexuals, gypsies, Poles, etc. How many Jews died? Somewhere around five million is the official recording. Now, compare this to how well over 30 million Africans were killed enduring a lifetime of slavery. You cannot possibly compare any event in history to the Black Holocaust, except possibly the Native American Holocaust.

Oh, and I'm not sure how any of your baseless speculations contribute to this thread; namely, saying I "live with my parents", and I "don't have a job". Not only are you wrong, but you're aggressively stupid and misinformed, too. If you're making the outrageous claims, then I'm going to demand the evidence. Right now, your true colours are showing: a racist, cowardly person.

That was the Holocaust.

Trans-Atlantic slavery didn't even come close.

Transporting people across the Atlantic in boats is not a crime.

Not now, not then.

Involuntarily. Under horrible conditions in which a vast number died and were dumped overboard. With no consideration of family structure. Or nutrition. Or treating disease. To be sold like a machine for farm work. Jesus, what's wrong with you.

30 million? That was the number of Indians who died in famines under the British rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India). They preferred feeding their armies (which march on their stomachs, as everyone knows).

Reacting against calls for relief during the 1877-79 famine, Lytton replied, "Let the British public foot the bill for its 'cheap sentiment,' if it wished to save life at a cost that would bankrupt India," substantively ordering "there is to be no interference of any kind on the part of Government with the object of reducing the price of food," and instructing district officers to "discourage relief works in every possible way.... Mere distress is not a sufficient reason for opening a relief work." (quoted in Davis 2001:31, 52) The Famine Commission of 1880 observed that each province in British India, including Burma, had a surplus of foodgrains, and the annual surplus amounted to 5.16 million tons (Bhatia, 1970). At that time, annual export of rice and other grains from India was approximately one million tons

Not very different from the structural adjustment policies (http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/SAP.asp) that western society is currently imposing on the Third World.

30 million? That was the number of Indians who died in famines under the British rule. They preferred feeding their armies (which march on their stomachs, as everyone knows).

The Raj is incomparable to the Black Holocaust. Looking beyond the death tolls, just take a gander at the conditions of life. Indians lived frugal lives, whereas Black people were slaves. The Black Holocaust is on a completely different level than the Raj.

The Raj is incomparable to the Black Holocaust. Looking beyond the death tolls, just take a gander at the conditions of life. Indians lived frugal lives, whereas Black people were slaves. The Black Holocaust is on a completely different level than the Raj.

Yeah dying of starvation is so much more preferable to being slaves. :rolleyes:

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

It is the most barbaric crime in the history of mankind, perpetrated by Jews and Whites entirely...

Whoops I missed that one. Actually, blacks and arabs were first in the slave trade, not whites. Not that whites aren't responsible too, just get the facts straight.

Is someone here trying to make the point that being a slave is worse then being killed ?

Yeah dying of starvation is so much more preferable to being slaves. :rolleyes:

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

The slaves died of starvation, too. They died of illnesses that were ignored. They were killed when they couldn't work efficiently. Stop being such a dumbass.

That's debatable, enmos, but the slave trade involved many black deaths.

That's debatable, enmos, but the slave trade involved many black deaths.

Of course, but the premise seems to be "Slavery is worse than the Holocaust".

The slaves died of starvation, too. They died of illnesses that were ignored. They were killed when they couldn't work efficiently. Stop being such a dumbass.

Ah I see, while the Indians merely died of starvation under surplus grain production. Of course.

30 million slaves killed?
do you have a source to back this up?

also by solely blaming it on "thewhites and jews" you are being misleading.

Of course, but the premise seems to be "Slavery is worse than the Holocaust".

I didn't start this thread - a moderator took these posts out of a different thread, because people were going off topic, I guess. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade, which included the shipping of 30 million Africans to different places to work and die as slaves is undeniably the worst crime in history.

Of course the people who sold their own kind into slavery were really nice people to do so and yet no one criticizes them for being the instigators and perpetuaters of the slave business to begin with.

undeniably?
in history?!?!
apparently you dont fully understand what humans are capable of.
if i could be bothered and if i had the resources i could prepare an encyclopedia of more heinous crimes against humanity that have happened.

I didn't start this thread - a moderator took these posts out of a different thread, because people were going off topic, I guess. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade, which included the shipping of 30 million Africans to different places to work and die as slaves is undeniably the worst crime in history.

Maybe by today's standards, it wasn't illegal then though..

Ah I see, while the Indians merely died of starvation under surplus grain production. Of course.

So your argument is, around the same number of people died. So, who had better living conditions: the Indians, or the subhuman African slaves?

That was the Holocaust.

Trans-Atlantic slavery didn't even come close.

Transporting people across the Atlantic in boats is not a crime.

Not now, not then.

I can't believe you really think that. If slavery wasn't that bad then why did so many Africans or blacks runaway. Just like the Jews who ran away during the Holocaust. The Holocaust was terrible and I am in no way condoning it at all, but it isn't special when it comes to atrocities commited by men. I'm assuming it was a terrible time to be Jewish in Germany and I'm not an expert but I believed it lasted about 10 years or so and many lives were lost. But the Trans-Atlantic slave trade goes beyond that of the Holocaust. I mean it lasted for about 200 years so it affected more than just one generation. Then even after it ended entire communities of blacks were slaughtered in the South. I'm not Jewish so I could be wrong, but I haven't heard of many being afraid of going to Germany because they might be killed by the natives, but I know of many black people who are afraid to just go on a leisurely walk in the deep south even today.

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Cutsie, what kind are those ? --> http://www.sciforums.com/avatars/avatar32403_2.gif

Maybe by today's standards, it wasn't illegal then though..

Did not matter if it was

How do you think Indians ended up in places like Mauritius and South Africa? The British supplied cheap indentured labor after "abolishing" slavery and the Dutch sold them as slaves. [the Dutch never took them to the Netherlands, because slavery was forbidden there, but they sold them in South Africa (http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/solidarity/indiasa3.html)]

Did not matter if it was

How do you think Indians ended up in places like Mauritius and South Africa? The British supplied cheap indentured labor after "abolishing" slavery and the Dutch sold them as slaves. [the Dutch never took them to the Netherlands, because slavery was forbidden there, but they sold them in South Africa (http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/solidarity/indiasa3.html)]

It's only a crime if it's forbidden by the law. That's all I'm saying.
Kadark said that the slave trade of African slaves was that biggest crime in the history of mankind. It's not true, because it wasn't a crime.
If it happened now, it would very possibly be the biggest crime in the history of mankind indeed.

Did not matter if it was

How do you think Indians ended up in places like Mauritius and South Africa? The British supplied cheap indentured labor after "abolishing" slavery and the Dutch sold them as slaves. [the Dutch never took them to the Netherlands, because slavery was forbidden there, but they sold them in South Africa (http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/solidarity/indiasa3.html)]

Take your bullshit regarding the Raj into another thread. The length and brutality of the Black Holocaust, and the 30 million deaths resulting from it, put it on a whole other level. I'd like to feel sorry for the Indians, but something tells me that they were in a much better position to fight back than the poor, impoverished Africans.

Its kind of funny how so many people defend Slavery. Maybe it really wasn't that big of a deal. :rolleyes: Regardless of who started it, caused it, or whatever. I used to be brainwashed like that, but the atrocities of the Jim Crow Laws is enough to make me sick, if these were better times I can't even begin to imagine what slavery must have been like. I think the Jewish people have done a better job of making the world recognize their grievances so more people understand their plight, but black people are still faced with comments like these. It wasn't that bad so buck up and stop talking about it. I think they might still be waiting for an apology thats never going to come because people refuse to see the issue at face value.

Take your bullshit regarding the Raj into another thread. The length and brutality of the Black Holocaust, and the 30 million deaths resulting from it, put it on a whole other level. I'd like to feel sorry for the Indians, but something tells me that they were in a much better position to fight back than the poor, impoverished Africans.

please can i see some sources for the 30 million.i am genuinely astonished by that number

Its kind of funny how so many people defend Slavery. Maybe it really wasn't that big of a deal. :rolleyes: Regardless of who started it, caused it, or whatever. I used to be brainwashed like that, but the atrocities of the Jim Crow Laws is enough to make me sick, if these were better times I can't even begin to imagine what slavery must have been like. I think the Jewish people have done a better job of making the world recognize their grievances so more people understand their plight, but black people are still faced with comments like these. It wasn't that bad so buck up and stop talking about it. I think they might still be waiting for an apology thats never going to come because people refuse to see the issue at face value.

I agree. It really does make me sick how people understate the events of Black slavery, or say "haven't we heard enough about this already?"

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Cutsie, what kind are those ? --> http://www.sciforums.com/avatars/avatar32403_2.gif

My computer says they are Frangapani flowers.

It's only a crime if it's forbidden by the law. That's all I'm saying..

That principle was not applied at Nuremberg. The principles were indicted and tried for crimes that were retroactively defined.

Its kind of funny how so many people defend Slavery. Maybe it really wasn't that big of a deal. :rolleyes: Regardless of who started it, caused it, or whatever. I used to be brainwashed like that, but the atrocities of the Jim Crow Laws is enough to make me sick, if these were better times I can't even begin to imagine what slavery must have been like. I think the Jewish people have done a better job of making the world recognize their grievances so more people understand their plight, but black people are still faced with comments like these. It wasn't that bad so buck up and stop talking about it. I think they might still be waiting for an apology thats never going to come because people refuse to see the issue at face value.

who is defending slavery?

My computer says they are Frangapani flowers.

Thanks :)

please can i see some sources for the 30 million.i am genuinely astonished by that number

The numbers vary, because the Trans-Atlantic slave was such a bounteous and large-scale event over such a long period of time. The most conservative estimates say about 24 million, but generally, at least 30 million Africans were shipped to different continents over the slave period. Look it up.

That principle was not applied at Nuremberg. The principles were indicted and tried for crimes that were retroactively defined.

Really ? :confused:
I would think all the war crimes committed were already considered crimes before the war.

The numbers vary, because the Trans-Atlantic slave was such a bounteous and large-scale event over such a long period of time. The most conservative estimates say about 24 million, but generally, at least 30 million Africans were shipped to different continents over the slave period. Look it up.

dude,u put the number up.,id like to see your source.
u said 30 million died..now ur saying 30 million were shipped which is it?

Really ? :confused:
I would think all the war crimes committed were already crimes before the war.

Nope, they were defined at Nuremberg. Don't you know that? All the actions were legal under German law and disobedience was punishable by death. Besides, the tribunal had no legal standing to try the defendants, much like Americans would not accept being tried by the ICC for Abu Ghraib and in fact, have rejected it's jurisdiction once (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States)

dude,u put the number up.,id like to see your source.
u said 30 million died..now ur saying 30 million were shipped which is it?

Everybody who was shipped out of Africa as a slave eventually died (malnutrition, inability to work efficiently, suicide, attempting to escape, illnesses that weren't taken care of, etc).

There aren't many records to help us explain how many slaves were taken during the 1600s. However, taking into consideration the amount of slaves in later periods (increasing due to labor demands), the time period, and African communities in different places worldwide today, 30 million is a reasonable estimate. Give or take a few million, does it really matter?

who is defending slavery?

Maybe not defend exactly, but they do quite a bit to discredit it. I always hear the same excuses whenever the topic comes up... "It happened forever ago, so it doesn't matter", or my favorite, "Africans did it to their own people" thus removing some of the blame. No one ever brings up the point that some Jewish people turned others in to the Nazis, because it doesn't matter what happened in Germany was terrible regardless of who did what. Thats how I feel people treat slavery anyway. There aren't any Slavery survivors nowadays so you don't get to hear their voices, but hearing the experiences of people who lived through the Jim Crow laws is really sickening just as much so as hearing Holocaust stories. for me anyway.

Info I found:

Trans-Atlantic imports by region (1450-1900): 11,328,000

"Conditions on the slave ships were terrible, but the estimated death rate of around 13% is lower than the mortality rate for seamen, officers and passengers on the same voyages."
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm

Nope, they were defined at Nuremberg. Don't you know that? All the actions were legal under German law and disobedience was punishable by death. Besides, the tribunal had no legal standing to try the defendants, much like Americans would not accept being tried by the ICC for Abu Ghraib and in fact, have rejected it's jurisdiction once (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States)

Ah, of course you are right.. my apologies.

Everybody who was shipped out of Africa as a slave eventually died (malnutrition, inability to work efficiently, suicide, attempting to escape, illnesses that weren't taken care of, etc).

There aren't many records to help us explain how many slaves were taken during the 1600s. However, taking into consideration the amount of slaves in later periods (increasing due to labor demands), the time period, and African communities in different places worldwide today, 30 million is a reasonable estimate. Give or take a few million, does it really matter?

for someone who is meant to be arguing compassionately about slavery i would say a few million matters quite a lot.

everybody who was shipped out of africa eventually died.........wow.
do you think that a fair few slaves may have died of...............old age?diseases that were untreatable at the time?injuries etc.
if that is the criteria that u are using to define deaths then the nazis are probably responsible for close to 100million deaths.

Enmos,

Those numbers seem wrong. Read the Black Holocaust. I have it at home, and its estimates start at 20m.

Also:

"Slave traders acquired slaves by purchasing them from numerous ports in Africa. They were able to pack nearly 300 slaves and approximately 35 crew into most slave ships. The men were normally chained together in pairs to save space - right leg to the next man's left leg - while the women and children may have had a little more room. The captives were fed very small portions of corn, yams, rice, and palm oil which normally was just enough to sustain them. Sometimes, during the day captives were allowed to move around, but many ships kept the shackles on throughout the journey.

It is estimated that 13% of the captured slaves did not survive the journey before the 18th century. Diseases, starvation, and the length of passage were the main contributors to the death toll. Many believe that overcrowding caused this outrageously high deathrate, but amebic dysentery and scurvy were the main problems. Additionally, outbreaks of smallpox, measles, and other diseases spread rapidly in the close-quarter compartments. Slave ships might take anywhere from one to six months to cross the Atlantic depending on the weather conditions at sea. The deathrate rose steadily with the length of voyage, as the risk of dysentery increased with longer stints at sea, and the quality and amount of food and water diminished with every passing day.

The Europeans realized how expensive slaves were and made drastic changes to help more captives survive the passage after 1750. Sick and dead slaves could not be sold in the new world. With advances in technology and an emphasis on nutrition and hygiene, the approximate deathtoll decreased from 20% to 5%. Traders used faster ships and started using preliminary forms of vaccinations for diseases.

Precise records are not available to provide an actual death toll, but it is estimated that as many as 8 million slaves may have perished to bring 4 million to the Caribbean islands. This number doesn't even include the slaves brought to North or South America. "
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Middle:Passage.htm

Enmos,

Those numbers seem wrong. Read the Black Holocaust. I have it at home, and its estimates start at 20m.

Maybe that book is biased ? Do you have a link as well ?

for someone who is meant to be arguing compassionately about slavery i would say a few million matters quite a lot.

everybody who was shipped out of africa eventually died.........wow.
do you think that a fair few slaves may have died of...............old age?diseases that were untreatable at the time?injuries etc.
if that is the criteria that u are using to define deaths then the nazis are probably responsible for close to 100million deaths.

If they died of old age, then slavery would have played a role in that as well. You don't live as long if you're forced to work day and night and aren't fed properly. If you suffer an injury, then chances are you suffered it doing something you were forced to do as a slave. Catch my drift?

The criteria isn't just the death toll. The criteria includes living conditions (nobody under the Nazis lived in worse conditions than the slaves), time length (hundreds of years, many generations), and lasting impact (most Nazi victims have recovered by now). In totality, the Black Holocaust is the worst crime, taking into account the different and unique aspects of it.

Maybe not defend exactly, but they do quite a bit to discredit it. I always hear the same excuses whenever the topic comes up... "It happened forever ago, so it doesn't matter", or my favorite, "Africans did it to their own people" thus removing some of the blame. No one ever brings up the point that some Jewish people turned others in to the Nazis, because it doesn't matter what happened in Germany was terrible regardless of who did what. Thats how I feel people treat slavery anyway. There aren't any Slavery survivors nowadays so you don't get to hear their voices, but hearing the experiences of people who lived through the Jim Crow laws is really sickening just as much so as hearing Holocaust stories. for me anyway.

there are a lot of slaves still alive in the world today.its nothin new and its never going away.
the very fact that when you say "slavery" it refers to a short period of time with a certain group of people should give you an idea of why people take exception to it.
like i said,its happened for millenia and its never going away.
just because african slavery is the most documented doesnt make it the worst.and i find it very insulting to compare atrocities anyway,seeing as noone nowadays can claim in anyway to identify with the hardships their ancestors have gone through.

Maybe that book is biased ? Do you have a link as well ?

Well, I'm a little skeptical of your link, because it includes the 1400s, even though proper records weren't available until the late 1600s/1700s. They're all estimates, right? Some say higher than, and some say lower than, 30 million.

Kadark, Kardak, Kardak ..........

This is so tragic ...... the muslim slavetrade from Africa is estimated from concerning just less than 20 millions up to 180 millions black slaves ............ I remember last time I went to Zanzibar .......the muslims proudly presented me of slavecaves , where they kept the poor bastards untill shipped to Yemen, Saudi Arabia .... and further up ....

Last time I went to Ethiopia I visited tribes , who told me , that the tradition of lip plates were to stop muslim slave traders to capture them ........

Muslim slavetrade from Africa , did not stop until the 1940´s ........


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1761/lipplateut3.jpg

Low estimate .... but also much lower estimate for the transatlantic slave trade....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

High estimate ....probably biased .... he, he ...

http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-TheScourgeofSlavery.htm

Anyway , I am not here to defend transatlantic slave trade ...... I´ll only say, that many people world wide were into slave trade .... and the muslims kept the tradition until some 60 years ago ...... :rolleyes:

If they died of old age, then slavery would have played a role in that as well. You don't live as long if you're forced to work day and night and aren't fed properly. If you suffer an injury, then chances are you suffered it doing something you were forced to do as a slave. Catch my drift?

The criteria isn't just the death toll. The criteria includes living conditions (nobody under the Nazis lived in worse conditions than the slaves), time length (hundreds of years, many generations), and lasting impact (most Nazi victims have recovered by now). In totality, the Black Holocaust is the worst crime, taking into account the different and unique aspects of it.

i am trying very hard not to descend into direct insults......

slavery played a role?
if you are going to take into account indirect causes of death most nations have millions of deaths on their hands.

as for you second paragraph.........
1.what do you know about living conditions under the nazis?are you f-ing kidding me?
2.most nazi victims have recovered by now?!?!?!?!based on what?!
i know this is just the internet,but that made me genuinely angry.think about what they have been through and how you are talking about it.having a number tattoed on you and seeing your friends and family EXTERMINATED...
not for any reason,not to any end.just exterminated for being of a kind.


"the Black Holocaust is the worst crime, taking into account the different and unique aspects of it."

basically,you have just read a book and now think you have opinions.

think about it.
there is nothing much unique about black slavery except the scale.

i am trying very hard not to descend into direct insults......

As am I, dickhead.

slavery played a role?
if you are going to take into account indirect causes of death most nations have millions of deaths on their hands.

I wouldn't call being a slave an indirect cause of early death. It pretty much is the reason why so many Africans died young.

1.what do you know about living conditions under the nazis?are you f-ing kidding me?

By reading about it. How else would I know? For fuck's sake...

2.most nazi victims have recovered by now?!?!?!?!based on what?!

Based on the fact that the territories the Nazis controlled are practically flourishing today. The fact that the victims of the Nazis are not the most impoverished people in the world, and enjoy living in first-world nations.

i know this is just the internet,but that made me genuinely angry.think about what they have been through and how you are talking about it.having a number tattoed on you and seeing your friends and family EXTERMINATED...
not for any reason,not to any end.just exterminated for being of a kind.

Think about what the tens of millions of slaves, separated from their family and homeland, went through for generation after generation. The Holocaust is nothing in comparison.

basically,you have just read a book and now think you have opinions.

And what have you done better than I? :rolleyes:

As am I, dickhead.



I wouldn't call being a slave an indirect cause of early death. It pretty much is the reason why so many Africans died young.



By reading about it. How else would I know? For fuck's sake...



Based on the fact that the territories the Nazis controlled are practically flourishing today. The fact that the victims of the Nazis are not the most impoverished people in the world, and enjoy living in first-world nations.



Think about what the tens of millions of slaves, separated from their family and homeland, went through for generation after generation. The Holocaust is nothing in comparison.



And what have you done better than I? :rolleyes:

do you have the average life expectancy of a slave and the average life expectancy of a person living in africa 200-400 years ago?

you say recovered?what do you mean by that?is the majority population of these "flourishing" countries you are talking about jewish/gypsy?

i am definately not arguing that slavery was in anyway acceptable,but i think it is incomparable to the holocaust.

thanks for calling me dickhead by the way,makes me take your debating skills all the more seriously.

do you have the average life expectancy of a slave and the average life expectancy of a person living in africa 200-400 years ago?

you say recovered?what do you mean by that?is the majority population of these "flourishing" countries you are talking about jewish/gypsy?

i am definately not arguing that slavery was in anyway acceptable,but i think it is incomparable to the holocaust.

thanks for calling me dickhead by the way,makes me take your debating skills all the more seriously.

Sorry, I can't take somebody seriously when they compare five and a half million deaths to about thirty million deaths in the span of centuries of brutal slavery. As I said, the only thing comparable to the Black Holocaust is the Native American Holocaust. What happened to the Jews doesn't even measure on this scale.

Sorry, I can't take somebody seriously when they compare five and a half million deaths to about thirty million deaths in the span of centuries of brutal slavery. As I said, the only thing comparable to the Black Holocaust is the Native American Holocaust. What happened to the Jews doesn't even measure on this scale.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

its not 30 million deaths though,you said that yourself.you said that 30 million slaves were taken from africa.that does not equal 30 million deaths.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

its not 30 million deaths though,you said that yourself.you said that 30 million slaves were taken from africa.that does not equal 30 million deaths.

Eventually they will die ..... from old age, if nothing else ........

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

its not 30 million deaths though,you said that yourself.you said that 30 million slaves were taken from africa.that does not equal 30 million deaths.

And those people died as slaves, you inbred moron. Last time I checked, every single estimate for the deaths resulting from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was higher than the Holocaust estimates. It pisses me off that people have little to no knowledge when it comes to Black slavery. In so many countries, Black kids aren't allowed to learn about their history, yet things like The Diary of Anne Frank are mandatory reading.

And those people died as slaves, you inbred moron. Last time I checked, every single estimate for the deaths resulting from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was higher than the Holocaust estimates. It pisses me off that people have little to no knowledge when it comes to Black slavery. In so many countries, Black kids aren't allowed to learn about their history, yet things like The Diary of Anne Frank are mandatory reading.

inbred moron...again,nice.my mum is from canada and my dad is from england so the chances of inbreeding are fairly slim.but thanks for your concern.


can you please address the point of average life expectancy?

what do you mean people have little to no knowledge of black slavery?!if you asked anyone in the developed world i would place a bet that 80-90% would be at least aware of the african slave trade.
and also,what do you mean by "arent allowed to learn"?are the books censored?are they banned?
i went to school in england and when i was 13 i was given a project about slavery in a music lesson.(about blues etc)

can you please address the point of average life expectancy?

People who are slaves living under substandard conditions will die sooner than an average person. If you're a slave, you're going to die sooner in all likelihood, due to the conditions. Either that, or once you outlive your usefulness on the fields, you're disposed of like dirty laundry.

what do you mean people have little to no knowledge of black slavery?!if you asked anyone in the developed world i would place a bet that 80-90% would be at least aware of the african slave trade.

Knowing that it happened isn't good enough. The average knowledge of the Jewish Holocaust (perpetrators, duration, geographical setting, causation, etc) is much greater than the average knowledge of the Black Holocaust. Proof? Just read this thread!

and also,what do you mean by "arent allowed to learn"?are the books censored?are they banned?
i went to school in england and when i was 13 i was given a project about slavery in a music lesson.(about blues etc)

The books aren't banned, but the discrepancy between mandatory studies concerning the Holocaust far outweighs the mandatory studies dedicated to the Black Holocaust. All the tributes to the Holocaust victims, the memorials, the museums, the books (mandatory for classroom studies), etc. Holocaust victims even get reparations for what their families suffered. What the fuck do Black people get?

People who are slaves living under substandard conditions will die sooner than an average person. If you're a slave, you're going to die sooner in all likelihood, due to the conditions. Either that, or once you outlive your usefulness on the fields, you're disposed of like dirty laundry.


ok.,ill bite and play devils advocate.
die sooner than an average person in africa?
what were the conditions in africa at that time?prosperous?hardly...
disposed of like dirty laundry...in how many cases?
in how many cases were slaves executed when they could no longer work?



Knowing that it happened isn't good enough. The average knowledge of the Jewish Holocaust (perpetrators, duration, geographical setting, causation, etc) is much greater than the average knowledge of the Black Holocaust. Proof? Just read this thread!

so what?!those are only two events in the history of the world.i dont know that much about the armenian genocide.do you?




The books aren't banned, but the discrepancy between mandatory studies concerning the Holocaust far outweighs the mandatory studies dedicated to the Black Holocaust. All the tributes to the Holocaust victims, the memorials, the museums, the books (mandatory for classroom studies), etc. Holocaust victims even get reparations for what their families suffered. What the fuck do Black people get?

ok.,im guessing you are from america,in which case you have a point.here in europe the holocaust is more relevant as the history of that war is all around us,also most people are very aware of which people/cities were involved in the slave trade here.actually,maybe i should change most to"most people i know",but then outside of about 2% of the population no one gives a flying fuck what happened more than 3 weeks ago.

i would be with you if you were campaigning to make it madatory to study the civil rights movement/jim crow laws.as they are recent history and relevant to todays society.(in america)

ok.,ill bite and play devils advocate.
die sooner than an average person in africa?
what were the conditions in africa at that time?prosperous?hardly...

They weren't very good, but it doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer to recognize that they were observably better.

disposed of like dirty laundry...in how many cases?
in how many cases were slaves executed when they could no longer work?

In all cases. Slaves were used to make their masters money. If feeding you outweights (financially) your labour contributions, then you're going to be disposed of. Simple as that.

so what?!those are only two events in the history of the world.i dont know that much about the armenian genocide.do you?

Of course I do. I am Turkish, after all.

ok.,im guessing you are from america,in which case you have a point.here in europe the holocaust is more relevant as the history of that war is all around us,also most people are very aware of which people/cities were involved in the slave trade here.actually,maybe i should change most to"most people i know",but then outside of about 2% of the population no one gives a flying fuck what happened more than 3 weeks ago.

Fair enough.

considering any and all slaves who were past their prime were ruthlessly butchered. Yeah, you're fed and clothed minimally if you can work; however, the moment you get sick, or the moment aging catches up with your sorry ass, they kill you like you're a worthless animal.

This is over emotive hyperbole. Slaves who were past their prime or sick were looked after by the other slaves, who all lived together on the plantation. The plantation owner certainly wouldn't have just killed sick slaves, he'd have been doing himself out of money.

They got well, they worked again.

The owners of the slaves couldn't have cared too fervently for their unfortunate slaves, considering up to 20% of them died on those ships due to malnutrition.

The traders would certainly have tried to minimize their losses and would have taken action to do so. Why blame the losses on them?

Your "business" analogy holds no ground with me.

It's not an analogy,it really was a business:

The trade represented a profitable enterprise for merchants. The business was risky, competitive, and severe, but enslaved Africans fetched a high price at auctions, making the trade in human cargo a lucrative business.
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_Trade)

The papers... reveal that sailors often died during the transatlantic journeys. Their deaths were recorded in a special column of the ships' papers. Members of one African tribe actually joined the slave ships' crews as free men - replacing those that had died.
Link (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/slavery/etraders.asp)

Do you think they did it for fun? European deck hands spent six months living in much the same conditions as the slaves, and that wasn't just one journey across the Atlantic, but three.

or were purposely killed because the food they were fed outweighed their labor contributions.

Impossible idoit. If this were true we wouldn't be able to feed our unskilled workers today.

You cannot possibly compare any event in history to the Black Holocaust, except possibly the Native American Holocaust.

How about the Armenian Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide)?

Isn't that, monsieur Turk, one of yours?

Right now, your true colours are showing: a racist, cowardly person.

I'm mortally wounded.

I've seen it all before though. People emigrate to the West from the Middle East/Asia, they start on the bottom rung of the economic ladder, where they befriend blacks and have 'deep empathy' for their problems (because they're shit scared of being stabbed or shot by them). Then within a generation they vanish into highly paid jobs and are never seen again.

That's what so terribly hypocritical about you little Kadark.

You came here for the wealth all that 'orrible slavery helped create, yet your own opinion of yourself is so pathetically over inflated to compensate for the fact your really a groveling little coward trying to placate the 'niggers' who front you out on the street.

30 million is a reasonable estimate. Give or take a few million, does it really matter?

Wow.

That's compassion.

They weren't very good, but it doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer to recognize that they were observably better.


i think its very hard to say that with certainty.iim putting forward an arguement but at the same time i would be very interested to see the actual life expectancy comparison.
im not saying slaves had a happy go lucky super life at all,but i would be interested to see the comparison.



In all cases. Slaves were used to make their masters money. If feeding you outweights (financially) your labour contributions, then you're going to be disposed of. Simple as that.


in all cases?i was under the impression that in many cases slaves had a small piece of their own land on which they would grow crops so as to be self sufficient.
are you saying that all slaves who couldnt work any more were executed?


Of course I do. I am Turkish, after all.



k,but u understand my point.

substitute in,japanese occupation of manchuria,the highland clearances etc etc

DeepThought,

This is over emotive hyperbole. Slaves who were past their prime or sick were looked after by the other slaves, who all lived together on the plantation. The plantation owner certainly wouldn't have just killed sick slaves, he'd have been doing himself out of money.

You're ignoring the plethora of slaves who suffered illnesses that weren't even attempted to be treated. Sure, there were no concrete cures back then, but ignoring the situation certainly doesn't help matters, nor does enforcing them to work under those health hazards. And yes, slaves that were of no use to their master were killed. Using your example of "business", no slaveowner would keep a slave that drained his pocket, considering the fact that expanding that man's pocket is the slave's only purpose. If a slave is doing the reverse of his or her purpose, then he or she is most definitely liquidated. Don't you hate when your own logic comes back to bite you in the ass, DeepThroat? Sorry! I meant DeepThought.

The traders would certainly have tried to minimize their losses and would have taken action to do so. Why blame the losses on them?

Why blame the losses on them? Because they are the ones transporting humans like they're lifeless materials. Africans were bunched together like chickens in a coop to travel entire oceans. Add the improper feeding practices and suicides, and you've got a lot of deaths resulting from slaveships. That's why the losses are blamed on the slaveowners.

Do you think they did it for fun? European deck hands spent six months living in much the same conditions as the slaves, and that wasn't just one journey across the Atlantic, but three.

With one minor detail omission: they weren't actually slaves. Their job was to bring slaves from Point A to Point B - a lifestyle they chose to practice, and an occupation they were paid for. How somebody can compare the conditions of the two boggles my mind, until I realize the person I'm arguing.

Impossible idoit. If this were true we wouldn't be able to feed our unskilled workers today.

First of all, I suggest you learn how to spell the word "idiot" before calling me one, you idiot. Second, it's not a matter of "being able to", but rather, "wanting to". Of course slaveowners could have fed all of their worthless, non-active slaves, but why would they? It simply cost them money.

How about the Armenian Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide)?

Isn't that, monsieur Turk, one of yours?

If you want your ass pounded (don't get excited, I mean that in a verbal sense), then PM me and we can discuss long and hard the Armenian "genocide".

I'm mortally wounded.

No, you're just extremely stupid.

I've seen it all before though. People emigrate to the West from the Middle East/Asia, they start on the bottom rung of the economic ladder, where they befriend blacks and have 'deep empathy' for their problems (because they're shit scared of being stabbed or shot by them).

Scared of being stabbed or shot by them? Any and all problems I had growing up were with white kids - not Black kids. I have great Black friends, although that's not why I feel empathy for their problems. I feel empathy for them because people like you consider them as less than human. I feel empathy for them because of what their people have gone through - not because they're my friends.

Then within a generation they vanish into highly paid jobs and are never seen again.

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Clearly, you know nothing about me. Besides, most of my Black friends have more money than me.

You came here for the wealth all that 'orrible slavery helped create, yet your own opinion of yourself is so pathetically over inflated to compensate for the fact your really a groveling little coward trying to placate the 'niggers' who front you out on the street.

Actually, I was born here - coming here was never an option of mine. Most of my friends are Black, so I don't take kindly to racist cowards like you who call them niggers behind a monitor. What I truly find funny, though, is how people like you are virtually non-existent in reality. You're just a lonely, pussy-deprived, unattractive individual who takes his anger out on people who are already impoverished. People like you are cowards - you talk big game over a computer, yet you're silent in public. If you want to get to know me and my Black friends better, come to Halifax, Canada. We'll teach you a thing or two.

dude,u put the number up.,id like to see your source.
u said 30 million died..now ur saying 30 million were shipped which is it?

That is insane and an impossible number. If he said a few thousand who died i would agree but this guy is just:crazy:

The thing is that America was hardly even\barely established then and slavery effected nearly every race of people too, as a matter of fact it is still happening to today.

Slavery worse than Holocaust? What is this the special ed. thread? They were both bad but at least with slavery you had a chance.

Who opened the asylum gates?

DeepThought,

If you want to get to know me and my Black friends better, come to Halifax, Canada. We'll teach you a thing or two.

ur from halifax?which part?
a lot of my family live there.i went there a few years ago.
really nice place.although there was a 50 year old man in assless leather chaps which ruined it a bit.
liked the canadian navy too.funny stuff.

Who opened the asylum gates?

You did, who else?:shrug:

You know that as far as slavery in U.S there were relatively few slave owners compared to the general population. And not all slaves were treated badly, many had good lives. I am not saying that it was an not an assanine way of doing things but man i would have hated to have been one of those people in a Nazi concentration camp. I get chills thinking about that.

I am surprised you would start a thread like this Kadark.

ur from halifax?which part?
a lot of my family live there.i went there a few years ago.
really nice place.although there was a 50 year old man in assless leather chaps which ruined it a bit.
liked the canadian navy too.funny stuff.

I live in Uniacke Square. Not a good place to live, but whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniacke_Square

I am surprised you would start a thread like this Kadark.

I didn't start it. A moderator did.

Seriously, what is WRONG with you people? We have a thread here discussing how African American Holocaust (yes, it was a Holocaust) is one of the worst, is not THE worst genocide in human history. Kadark is trying to educate people on forum about this issue and what is he encountering, racist bigots who are attempting to question that such a Holocaust even existed, even minimizing the damage done to African-Americans over 200 years.

It's a crime to steal people from their lands, ship them many miles to another continent in abismal conditions (see movie Amistad to see how it was really like), force them to work for no benefit for themselves, murder them in tens of millions, erase their past culture, history, and religion.

There is no excuse for this crime, its a black spot on White European and American history, just accept it. Majority of the sensible people among us have realized it was a horrendous crime (for documentation, there are literally thousands of sources). Why are you people questioning it? This was one of the worst and most vile calamities to ever be perpetuated by humans upon other humans.

This is over emotive hyperbole. Slaves who were past their prime or sick were looked after by the other slaves, who all lived together on the plantation. The plantation owner certainly wouldn't have just killed sick slaves, he'd have been doing himself out of money.

Are you denying it happened? White slave owners were some of the most brutal and ruthless (and hypocritical) tyrants that ever lived. Ask the African-American community today, whose ancestors only a few generations ago were in slavery.


Do you think they did it for fun? European deck hands spent six months living in much the same conditions as the slaves, and that wasn't just one journey across the Atlantic, but three.

They had a choice though, Africans were brought by force, treated as subhumans, barely fed, and hurled off the ship if they got sick. Black Men, Women, and Children, no one was given special treatment, all were treated like animals.


I've seen it all before though. People emigrate to the West from the Middle East/Asia, they start on the bottom rung of the economic ladder, where they befriend blacks and have 'deep empathy' for their problems (because they're shit scared of being stabbed or shot by them). Then within a generation they vanish into highly paid jobs and are never seen again.

You are really ridiculous. The fact that you attribute sensible people's support of minority rights and recognition of past injustices by the American government against innocents to a racist stereotype of African-Americans being inherently violent as the source shows that you are a BIGOT and a RACIST.

If you called Jews as inherently violent, this would get you banned by now. It seems some of the moderators in this forum classify racism as freedom of speech. If this thread has shown us anything, then I hope it is the hypocrisy of society whereby asking questions relating to the Jewish Holocaust is taboo, but asking about the African Holocaust is not.


That's what so terribly hypocritical about you little Kadark.

Kadark is a sensible person, it is you who is not sensible, which is obvious by your racist comments relating to African-Americans. I'm surprised only Kadark has spoken out for truth, and he is bombarded by bigots. Where is the rest of the forum to voice their condemnation of this bigotry?


You came here for the wealth all that 'orrible slavery helped create, yet your own opinion of yourself is so pathetically over inflated to compensate for the fact your really a groveling little coward trying to placate the 'niggers' who front you out on the street.


MODERATORS BAN THIS MEMBER NOW!



in all cases?i was under the impression that in many cases slaves had a small piece of their own land on which they would grow crops so as to be self sufficient.
are you saying that all slaves who couldnt work any more were executed?



This was not always the case, yet it was perfectly legal under the law of the time. This is why it was an injustice, no human being has the right to control another's life.

You know that as far as slavery in U.S there were relatively few slave owners compared to the general population. And not all slaves were treated badly, many had good lives. I am not saying that it was an not an assanine way of doing things but man i would have hated to have been one of those people in a Nazi concentration camp. I get chills thinking about that.

Its the truth, and you should get chills. Slavery was a crime which far exceeded any concentration camps or death camps (those crimes were also indefensible, however). More than 200 years of slavery, fear, and subhuman living will have detrimental effects on a people. Majority of the slaves lived horrible lives, and those slaves who lived "well" lived only slightly better than their fellow slaves but far below the the average white man.

I hope that we as human being can look back and recognize slavery was one of the worst things in the world. I take solace in the fact that there is a God who will ask these people about the vile crimes they committed to fellow human beings and punish them accordingly.

Kadark, keep up the good work.

Man, it's great to see you here again, DH! Great points as always. Welcome back.

It takes a lot of courageous to speak the truth in forums with so many bigots. Keep up great work. You are an inspiration.

It's a crime to steal people from their lands, ship them many miles to another continent in abismal conditions (see movie Amistad to see how it was really like), force them to work for no benefit for themselves, murder them in tens of millions, erase their past culture, history, and religion.

Trans-Atlantic slavery was a TRADE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

If this thread has shown us anything, then I hope it is the hypocrisy of society whereby asking questions relating to the Jewish Holocaust is taboo, but asking about the African Holocaust is not.

What a little slime ball you are.

Kadark is a sensible person, it is you who is not sensible,

I am not sensible?

:(

MODERATORS BAN THIS MEMBER NOW!

Another hysterical child.

Take your Islamic propaganda elsewhere.

Bit off more than you could chew, eh, DeepThroat?

Bit off more than you could chew, eh, DeepThroat?

Why are you making sexual innuendos towards me?

Look, I'm going to side with negroes over jews every time, but for the most part slavery wasn't that bad, there were certainly many crimes committed against slaves, but to counter that there were many happy plump satisfied slaves in america living in mansions on huge country estates, working for the privaledge, but treated quite well. Certainly living better lives than their relatives in africa, and better healthier lives than many african americans live today. It goes without saying they lived better lives than jews in concentration camps.

Why don't you look up the testimonies of the last surviving ex-slaves, there's a big collection of them on the internet somewhere. About 9 out of 10 said they had kind "massahs", and most of them at some point would comment on how they wish they could go back rather than live in independent and "free" poverty.
Most saw the civil war as an unwanted irritance, interupting the enjoyable life they were accustommed to. Union soldiers were scary bad guys in their eyes out to destroy their lives. And realistically that is what they did.

Then, ofcourse, many slaves were mistreated horribly by horrible people, and were ecstatic to be free.
But the widespread belief that across the southern states slaves lived in shackles being whipped every day and weeping every night just isn't accurate.
For the most part they lived submissive but happy lives. There's not really a huge line to be drawn between slavery and working for money, especially when you consider what it would cost today to live the lives slaves lived. You simply can't do manual labour and live on a luxurious elegant expansive country estate eating roast turkey "with all the fixins" today. It's impossible, you'd litterally need to be a multi-millionaire to live in the environment they lived.
Today people study hard for years to submissively work in an office under a dominant manager and live in small apartments eating fucking noodles for dinner. That's not even the bottom of this highly touted "living free and working for a wage" ladder we look up to as some shining example of human success.

The issue with slavery is it wasn't seriously regulated and slaves weren't necessarrily treated very well. It entirely depended on how much of an asshole their master was. Ofcourse this was a flawed system, the human ratio of asshole to nice guy would have stayed true and assholes really got the opportunity to show their asshole colours without consequence.

Even then, the really unreasonably cruel assholes would have been few and far between, most of the negative testimonies only have like 1 or 2 memorable incidents where a slave did something bad and then the punishment was a bit over the top. And then they'd go back to being pretty happy, gorging themselves on cornbread and deep fried catfish.

Interestingly the worst testimony I read was about a slave who worked up to being the overseer of other slaves on the cotton fields, when the master wasn't around he'd take great pleasure in being especially cruel, and, to paraphrase, "cuz he wuz such a big strong nigga he'd whoop ya harder'n you cud tek it!". I think he might have ended up killing someone from whoop'n em too hard, but overall with these testimonies what's much more prevalent is kind reasonable slave masters, who'd throw slaves parties and give them gifts, like I said most of them seem to look back on their times as slaves rather fondly. That's from the horses mouth. The most reliable evidence we have for the reality of slave living conditions.
Alot of the fiction around is based on isolated incidents of attrocity, and we've come to see that as the 24/7 reality of slavery, but it wasn't like that.

I'm pretty sure the holocaust really was jews and gypsies being mistreated horribly while they waited to be slaughtered, so no comparison really.

Why are you making sexual innuendos towards me?

Because it's funny. Well, to me it is, anyway. Still waiting for a response from you, although something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath. I think you should leave this thread now. Save the little pride you have left.

Pleasure talking,

Kadark

there are a lot of slaves still alive in the world today.its nothin new and its never going away.
the very fact that when you say "slavery" it refers to a short period of time with a certain group of people should give you an idea of why people take exception to it.
like i said,its happened for millenia and its never going away.
just because african slavery is the most documented doesnt make it the worst.and i find it very insulting to compare atrocities anyway,seeing as noone nowadays can claim in anyway to identify with the hardships their ancestors have gone through.

Sorry I meant the people who were broght over here due to the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. I'm not saying it was the worse thing that ever happened in history of mankind because I know humans are always finding ways to out do each other (in the most morbid sense). I don't claim to know what my ancestors went through as slaves nor do I claim to know what my grandparents went through growing up during the 1940s and 50s in the American South. I can only try to gain better understanding by hearing their stories. I think its the same with Holocaust survivors or the suvivors of Rwanda, Armenia, and victims of war, ...etc. I'm fortunate enough that I don't really understand what their talking about, but it does help me understand where they're coming from and why they may act the way they do. Listening to my professor and grandmother makes me really greatful for what I have now because the things that I take for granted like going to the hospital or staying in a hotel are luxuries they did not have.

Because it's funny. Well, to me it is, anyway. Still waiting for a response from you, although something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath. I think you should leave this thread now. Save the little pride you have left.

Pleasure talking,

Kadark


When Kenworth showed you up for the ridiculous figures you were quoting it became obvious to me you didn't know what you were talking about.

Debating with a troll is futile.

When Kenworth showed you up for the ridiculous figures you were quoting it became obvious to me you didn't know what you were talking about.

Debating with a troll is futile.

Debating with a racist, even more so. Hey, you got yourself into this mess. Don't blame me just because I wiped the floor with your face. Why the jealousy? Oh come on, man ... is that a ... tear? Look, I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but when you decide to fight, it's my job to throw some fucking putasos, you know? If you get hit, you get hit.

And boy did you get hit hard.

Why don't you look up the testimonies of the last surviving ex-slaves, there's a big collection of them on the internet somewhere. About 9 out of 10 said they had kind "massahs", and most of them at some point would comment on how they wish they could go back rather than live in independent and "free" poverty.
Most saw the civil war as an unwanted irritance, interupting the enjoyable life they were accustommed to. Union soldiers were scary bad guys in their eyes out to destroy their lives. And realistically that is what they did.

For the most part they lived submissive but happy lives. There's not really a huge line to be drawn between slavery and working for money, especially when you consider what it would cost today to live the lives slaves lived. You simply can't do manual labour and live on a luxurious elegant expansive country estate eating roast turkey "with all the fixins" today. It's impossible, you'd litterally need to be a multi-millionaire to live in the environment they lived.





There are still alive today? From the Antebellum South? Wouldn't they be like 140 years old if they were born the day before slavery ended. But if there are people from that era I love to speak with them, my culture really fascinates me. And maybe you were exaggerating when you mentioned roast turkey dinners, but I'm fairly certain that the slaves were not fed what their owners were eating they got the left over stuff. Thats were soul food favorites such as chitlins and pig feet came from, if they were always eating roast turkey dinners then chitlins would have never came into existence. I imagine the food they were given is similar to what people feed their dogs, left over stuff that you don't really want.

Calling me a nincompoop when you can't even spell a simple word like "borrowed" correctly??????? And I DID openly say "stole" - though you obviously chose to ignore it.

The only things you've actually proven here are your own ignorance, illiteracy, anger and racial hatred.

You've also shown yourself unworthy of carrying on a reasonable conversation. This world will become a far better place when both you and your hero Wright are long gone.

With that, I leave you to squirm in your own deluded anger and hope that you are forever as miserable because of it as you are now.

You're a fucking idiot, just as I had suspected. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade killed over 30 million Africans over a grueling period of slavery. The Holocaust is NOTHING compared to the crimes of slavery. Transporting people in slave ships is not a crime? One-fifth of the slaves died on those ships, you idiot.



LMFAOOOOOOO REDNECK IGNORANCE.AINT IT SO FUNNY?.AND I REALLY THOUGHT PEOPLE LIKE HIM AND READ-ONLY WERE EXTINCT.LOL


(PREPARES TO HANDLE THIS ASHURA BUM BITCH)

Slavery has orgins almost as old as man. And slavery was not confined only to the black race. Peoples of all races have been enslaved for thousands of years. The very word slave is not derived from Africa. It is a term derived from southern Europe where the Roman Empire sourced most of its slaves.

Get real, no one race and no one group and no one period of time has not been plagued by slavery.

There are still alive today? From the Antebellum South? Wouldn't they be like 140 years old if they were born the day before slavery ended.
The last surviving ex-slaves were interviewed around 1940 or 1950 or so, and those interviews are on the internet somewhere. I can't be fucked finding them.

Debating with a racist, even more so. Hey, you got yourself into this mess. Don't blame me just because I wiped the floor with your face. Why the jealousy? Oh come on, man ... is that a ... tear? Look, I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but when you decide to fight, it's my job to throw some fucking putasos, you know? If you get hit, you get hit.

And boy did you get hit hard.


You couldn't take me down in debate so you try this?

Oh, but I enjoy watching an impotent clown strut his stuff.

Ataturk X. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxYuZDyNHj4)

It's a crime to steal people from their lands, ship them many miles to another continent in abismal conditions (see movie Amistad to see how it was really like), force them to work for no benefit for themselves, murder them in tens of millions, erase their past culture, history, and religion.

There is no excuse for this crime, its a black spot on White European and American history, just accept it. Majority of the sensible people among us have realized it was a horrendous crime (for documentation, there are literally thousands of sources). Why are you people questioning it? This was one of the worst and most vile calamities to ever be perpetuated by humans upon other humans.Look slavery is bad. It's very, very bad. BUT, it wasn't invented by Europeans or Americans. It has been practiced throughout human history. So I can't see how this particular instance is the worst and most vile calamities to ever be perpetuated by humans upon other humans..

Get real, no one race and no one group and no one period of time has not been plagued by slavery.

In the the imperial period, it had a race based connotation. It was prohibited to keep a white person as a slave, whereas for a black person it was natural. Why didn't Europeans bring boats filled with European whites? The white establishment at the time viewed black people as inferior and heathen, hence it was justified.

In the the imperial period, it had a race based connotation. It was prohibited to keep a white person as a slave, whereas for a black person it was natural. Why didn't Europeans bring boats filled with European whites? The white establishment at the time viewed black people as inferior and heathen, hence it was justified.

Diamond, have you not heard of indentured servitude? Have you not heard of serfdom? Are you not familar with the economic system of Russia durring the period you mentioned? Are you not familar with the fuedal system?

Look slavery is bad. It's very, very bad. BUT, it wasn't invented by Europeans or Americans. It has been practiced throughout human history. So I can't see how this particular instance is the worst and most vile calamities to ever be perpetuated by humans upon other humans..

The worst perhaps not, but it is one of them. Its just plain denial to say that it was not.

You couldn't take me down in debate so you try this?

Oh, but I enjoy watching an impotent clown strut his stuff.

Ataturk X. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxYuZDyNHj4)

Great link. It is so relevant to this discussion. It's interesting, you know, because I was just thinking about Ataturk's sexuality! I mean, it certainly does have a lot to do with African slavery.

Oh, and I couldn't take you down in this debate? My word, my post is still sitting pages back, ever so lonely. Give it some attention, will ya? I wonder if you can read my posts through all of your tears. Not those "That was a sad movie" type tears, but those big fat ones that mix with your snot as it runs out your nose and kinda hardens on your lips sorta tears.

Diamond, have you not heard of indentured servitude? Have you not heard of serfdom? Are you not familar with the economic system of Russia durring the period you mentioned? Are you not familar with the fuedal system?

We are not discussing others forms of oppression and slavery, if you wish to sideline the issue, start another thread.

Don't sideline the issue. Black Holocaust was one of the worst disasters in history and was perpetuated by so-called 'civilized west' against 'heathen africa'.

Black Holocaust was one of the worst disasters in history and was perpetuated by so-called 'civilized west' against 'heathen africa'.


'Black Holocaust' is a racist term invented by Black Supremacists.

Please discontinue using it in this thread.

Do doubt it was tragic. But if this thread is just about Black slavery durring a certian period of time, then it should be so stated in the OP. And in that case, you also need to include black slavery abuse by the Arabs. Arabs enslaved blacks for a much longer period that the West ever did.
And the period in which you want to limit this discussion only lasted a about two hundred years. Whereas slavery as a whole has a history which greatly exceeds that period. So you are limiting this discussion to just a small portion of the whole topic.
Poor whites and serfs were also considered inferior and looked down upon by the ruling class. No one race, no one class is completly innocent as some would have us believe.
In the case of black slavery durring the colonial period it was often black enslaving and selling other blacks.

'Black Holocaust' is a racist term invented by Black Supremacists.

Please discontinue using it in this thread.

No, it's called the "Black Holocaust" so we can differentiate it from all of the other Holocausts. Simply calling it the "Holocaust" is not practical, as people will always ask, "which one?" Has nothing to do with supremacism. Oh, and stop ignoring my posts, you coward. Time to invest in Kleenex, one would imagine. Life ain't treatin' you good, man.

'Black Holocaust' is a racist term invented by Black Supremacists.

Please discontinue using it in this thread.

Dictionary.com
Holocaust 4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

If you want to minimize this discussion into hurling insults and use meaningless terms, you may do so. I made my point.


In the case of black slavery durring the colonial period it was often black enslaving and selling other blacks.

Africans have historically enslaved other Africans of enemy tribes, as did the native Americans. Slavery in Africa and Asia, however, is not comparable to the slavery practiced by the Europeans in the new world. Slaves could still buy their freedom, and in many society to kill a slave was a crime,yet in white societies, the master had COMPLETE control of the persons, or persons in bondage, a baby if having the misfortune of being born black, was a slave merely because of the color of his skin. European slavery took the captive taking and slavery practiced in Africa to ridiculous levels and fused with with a white supremacist world-view, whereby white people were the masters and blacks and lesser people were slaves.

Captive taking, also prominent in Native American cultures, was encouraged and flourished because of white settlers and traders, to the extent that many times the main commodity whites would accept would be captives to use as slaves or slave-wives. This also featured prominently in the African slave trade. The whites used the already existed custom of taking captives to profit by buying slaves and brutally abusing them, using them as labor, and even breeding them like animals (sick).

God made Hell for a reason.

No, it's called the "Black Holocaust" so we can differentiate it from all of the other Holocausts.

I sympathize, there's so many these days it's hard to remember which is which.

But since the main goal of slavery was economic, attaching a racial connotation gives a false impression.

Hence, the term Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade is more appropriate.

Oh, and stop ignoring my posts, you coward. Time to invest in Kleenex, one would imagine. Life ain't treatin' you good, man.

Yes, tears are streaming down my face, tears of joy, I'm nine hours ahead of you and it's time for sleep.

Adios.

I sympathize, there's so many these days it's hard to remember which is which.

But since the main goal of slavery was economic, attaching a racial connotation gives a false impression.

Hence, the term Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade is more appropriate.

Considering it was Blacks who were targeted, and it was Blacks who felt the brunt of slavery, I'd say attaching a racial connotation is perfectly justified.

Yes, tears are streaming down my face, tears of joy, I'm nine hours ahead of you and it's time for sleep.

Adios.

Sweet dreams, puddin'.

I made my point.

You did no such thing.

You mouthed off in a cowardly fashion instead of joining in the discussion and demanded I was banned. Then you ran off. I can only assume you were too scared.

Never mind, maybe next time.

Goodnight.

You did no such thing.

You mouthed off in a cowardly fashion instead of joining in the discussion and demanded I was banned. Then you ran off. I can only assume you were too scared.

Never mind, maybe next time.

Goodnight.

You should be banned for saying racist things against African-Americans, using N-word in derogatory fashion, and furthering stereotype of African-Americans as violent.

We will see what the moderators do about this.

Dictionary.com
Holocaust 4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

If you want to minimize this discussion into hurling insults and use meaningless terms, you may do so. I made my point.



Africans have historically enslaved other Africans of enemy tribes, as did the native Americans. Slavery in Africa and Asia, however, is not comparable to the slavery practiced by the Europeans in the new world. Slaves could still buy their freedom, and in many society to kill a slave was a crime,yet in white societies, the master had COMPLETE control of the persons, or persons in bondage, a baby if having the misfortune of being born black, was a slave merely because of the color of his skin. European slavery took the captive taking and slavery practiced in Africa to ridiculous levels and fused with with a white supremacist world-view, whereby white people were the masters and blacks and lesser people were slaves.

Captive taking, also prominent in Native American cultures, was encouraged and flourished because of white settlers and traders, to the extent that many times the main commodity whites would accept would be captives to use as slaves or slave-wives. This also featured prominently in the African slave trade. The whites used the already existed custom of taking captives to profit by buying slaves and brutally abusing them, using them as labor, and even breeding them like animals (sick).

God made Hell for a reason.


Were blacks abused, certianly. Were they the only ones abused, certianly not. If you want to say that somehow that slavery as practiced by whites was worse than elsewhere, then you need to prove it. Do you have the numbers and proof? It does not pass my smell test. I don't recall anything of a humanitarian form of enslavement that you claim that was practiced by other races. I don't think you can say with an open and honest heart that one form of enslavement is better or worse than another.

In the case of European enslavement of blacks, the object was not to kill them. There was no profit in a dead slave. I want to also point out that the reason Whites viewed themselves as superior was because of they were technologically more advanced. And what happened is what has always happened when a more technologically advanced civiliation collides with a less advanced civilization...note that does not justify what happened. But it does help us understand what happened. The Europeans saw themselves as technologically more advanced and they were. Where they went wrong is using that to justify slavery and the abuse of others. But it is no different than what they did to other Europeans.
But also note that more than a half million whites died and many more suffered grevious injuries to end the practice of slavery in the United States. A very bloody civil war was fought to free the slaves and uphold the intrinsic value of the human spirit.

The slave trade was a terrible thing, but during the time it was carried out (over a century ago) it was widely accepted, even among Africans (the ones doing the selling, of course, not the ones being sold). Claiming it was
perpetrated by Jews and Whites entirely
is a lie. The slave trade could never have happened without the participation of African nations which enslaved and sold other Africans:

King Gezo of Dahomey said in 1840's:

The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery…[60]

In 1807, the UK Parliament passed the Bill that abolished the trading of slaves. The King of Bonny (now in Nigeria) was horrified at the conclusion of the practice:

We think this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God himself.[61]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#African_conflicts

And there were plenty of Arab traders profiteering off it too:

The Arab or Middle Eastern slave trade continued into the early 1900s,[129] and by some accounts continues to this day. As recently as the 1950s, Saudi Arabia had an estimated 450,000 slaves, 20% of the population.[130][131]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Modern_times_2

Saudi Arabia didn't outlaw slavery until 1962 (compared to the entire British Empire in 1833 and USA in 1865)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism#National_abolition_dates

The Janissaries were European slaves forced to fight for the Ottoman Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary#Recruitment.2C_training_and_status

most Nazi victims have recovered by now
I doubt it, unless they've invented a way to recover from death. Have they?

If you mean those that weren't killed, you could say that the descendants of the victims of slavery have also recovered. Most of them are much better off in post-slavery America than their distant relatives are back in Africa. The freed African-American slaves were given their own country (Liberia) but unsurprisingly most preferred to stay in the USA.

Kadark,

When you leave your mummy and daddies house then you can lecture me.

Until you do, here's a simple lesson in economics: no merchant throws his own cargo away, whether that be humans, livestock, vegetable or mineral. When was the last time you heard of a businessman destroying his own stock?


I should probably read on, since I assume someone made thos point, but the estimated mortality rate in the Middle Passage for slaves were quite high. They packed them in like cord wood, in fact, because they knew so many would die. Even in later centuries when they knew better the rate was above 10%, much of the time it was above 30% (though exact numbers are hard to come by). Sick slaves (and the rate of illness was much higher than the rate of death) were often thrown overboard to delay the onset of sickness generally.

I am not saying that it was worse than the Holocaust, as I don't think there is an answer to "which was worse." It's like choosing between two very gruesome ways to commit suicide, neither one is good and different people would vary if forced to actually select a "somewhat less horrible" one.

Sorry I meant the people who were broght over here due to the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. I'm not saying it was the worse thing that ever happened in history of mankind because I know humans are always finding ways to out do each other (in the most morbid sense). I don't claim to know what my ancestors went through as slaves nor do I claim to know what my grandparents went through growing up during the 1940s and 50s in the American South. I can only try to gain better understanding by hearing their stories. I think its the same with Holocaust survivors or the suvivors of Rwanda, Armenia, and victims of war, ...etc. I'm fortunate enough that I don't really understand what their talking about, but it does help me understand where they're coming from and why they may act the way they do. Listening to my professor and grandmother makes me really greatful for what I have now because the things that I take for granted like going to the hospital or staying in a hotel are luxuries they did not have.

sorry./,that wasnt particularly directed at you,just giving my reasons for responding to this thread.

You should be banned for saying racist things against African-Americans, using N-word in derogatory fashion, and furthering stereotype of African-Americans as violent.

We will see what the moderators do about this.


I clearly used the word in apostrophes, indicating I alluded to it, rather than used it directly. You choose to overreact in an effort to get me banned, demonstrating you are a cowardly debater.

I expect the reaction was involuntary, suggesting you are cowardly full stop. Hence, you call on the mods to silence what terrifies you, like a child calls for his parents at night to banish the monster in the closet. The monster is, of course, a projection of the child's own fears.

Time to grow up eh?

Hence, you call on the mods to silence what terrifies you, Don't put on airs. As monsters go, you aren't that scary.

I bet China was just as bad. China did not do much external cargo, but internally dynastys probably had their huge collections of slaves. There may not be enough statistical proof at the moment, BUT that is because China is still antisocial when it comes to the rest of the world.


Slavery still goes on in Africa between the tribes and did so for 1,000s of years. I wonder what the body count of those were?

Interesting history of abolishing slavery.

Early timelinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

It should be noted that many of these changes were reversed in practice over the succeeding centuries.

1102 Trade in slaves and serfdom ruled illegal in London: Council of Westminster
1117 Slavery abolished in Iceland
1215 Magna Carta recognizes the right to liberty in England
1274 Landslova (Land's Law) in Norway mentions only former slaves, which indicates that slavery was abolished in Norway
1335 Sweden and Finland make slavery illegal

[edit] Modern timeline
1588 Lithuania and Japan abolish slavery
1600 Last villein dies in England
1723 Russia abolishes slavery[1]
1761 Portugal abolishes slavery[2]
1772 Slavery declared illegal in England, including overseas slaves living in England. Lord Chief Justice Mansfield rules that English law does not support slavery.[3]
1777 Slavery abolished in Madeira[3]
1777 Slavery abolished in Vermont, USA[3]
1778 Slavery illegal in Scotland[4][5]
1783 Russia abolishes slavery in Crimean Khanate[6]
1783 Massachusetts rules slavery illegal based on 1780 constitution[3]
1783 Bukovina: Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz.[7]
1787 Sierra Leone founded by British as state for emancipated slaves
1787 Society for the Abolition of the Slave Trade founded in Britain[3]
1788 Sir William Dolben's Act regulating the conditions on British slave ships enacted
1791 Haiti gains independence and emancipation
1792 Slave trading abolished in Denmark (though slavery continues to 1847).
1794 French First Republic abolishes slavery[3] (re-established by Napoleon in 1802)
1793 Upper Canada, by Act Against Slavery
1799 New York State introduces gradual emancipation
1802 Denmark abolish slave trade in Danish colonies
1802 Slavery re-introduced in France[2]
1803 Lower Canada abolishes slavery
1804 Haiti abolishes slavery[3]
1807 Abolition of the Slave Trade Act: slave trading abolished in British Empire. Captains fined £100 per slave transported.
1807 British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[8]
1807 Abolition in Prussia, Germany The Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.
1808 United States -- importation of slaves into the US prohibited after Jan. 1.[9]
1811 Slave trading made a felony in the British Empire punishable by transportation for British subjects and Foreigners.
1811 Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,[2] Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo
1814 Dutch outlaw slave trade
1815 British pay Portuguese £750,000 (several hundred million dollars in current values) to cease their trade[10]
1815 Congress of Vienna. 8 Victorious powers declared their opposition to slavery
1817 Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo[10]
1818 Treaty between Britain and Spain to abolish slave trade [11]
1818 Treaty between Britain and Portugal to abolish slave trade [11]
1818 France and Holland abolish slave trading
1819 Treaty between Britain and Netherlands to abolish slave trade [11]
1821 Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela abolish slavery
1821 Liberia founded by USA as state for emancipated slaves.
1822 Greece abolishes slavery.
1823 Chile abolishes slavery[3]
1827 Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade [11]
1829 Mexico abolishes slavery[3]
1831 Bolivia abolishes slavery[3]
1834 Jamaica abolishes slavery[3]
1835 Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade [11]
1835 Treaty between Britain and French and Danish to abolish slave trade [11]
1836 Portugal abolishes transatlantic slave trade
1838 Slavery abolished throughout the British empire
1839 British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society founded, now called Anti-Slavery International
1839 Indian indenture system made illegal
1840 Treaty between Britain and Venezuela to abolish slave trade [11]
1841 Quintuple Treaty is signed; England, France, Russia, Prussia, and Austria agree to suppress slave trade[3]
1842 Webster-Ashburton Treaty between Britain and USA
1842 Uruguay abolishes slavery[3]
1843 Honourable East India Company becomes increasingly controlled by Britain and abolishes slavery in India by the Indian Slavery Act V. of 1843.
1843 Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade [11]
1843 Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade [11]
1843 Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade [11]
1843 Argentina abolishes slavery[2]
1843 Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade [11]
1845 36 British Navy ships are assigned to the Anti-Slavery Squadron, making it one of the largest fleets in the world.
1846 Tunisia abolishes slavery
1847 Sweden abolishes slavery[12]
1848 Denmark abolishes slavery[12]
1848 Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies[3]
1848 France founds Gabon for settlement of emancipated slaves.
1848 Treaty between Britain and Muscat to suppress slave trade [11]
1849 Treaty between Britain and Persian Gulf states to suppress slave trade [11]
1850 United States: Fugitive Slave Law of 1850
1851 Brazil ends slave trade[3]
1854 Peru abolishes slavery[3]
1854 Venezuela abolishes slavery[3]
1855 Moldavia abolishes slavery.[13]
1856 Wallachia abolishes slavery.[13]
1860 Indenture system abolished in British occupied India.
1861 Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[14][2]
1862 Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act)[11].
1862 Cuba abolishes slave trade[3]
1863 Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies[3]
1863 United States: Emancipation Proclamation declares those slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed.
1865 United States abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[3]
1869 Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871 Brazil declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after September 28, 1871.
1873 Puerto Rico abolishes slavery
1873 Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade [11]
1874 Britain abolishes slavery in Ghana (the Gold Coast) (after Third Anglo-Asante War and British annexation of the Gold Coast in 1874).
1886 Cuba abolishes slavery[3]
1888 Brazil abolishes slavery[3]
1890 Brussels Act - Treaty granting anti-slavery powers the right to stop and search ships for slaves
1894 Korea abolishes slavery[15]
1896 France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897 Zanzibar abolishes slavery[16]
1905 Siam (Thailand) abolishes slavery[17]
1910 China abolishes slavery[18]
1923 Afghanistan abolishes slavery[19]
1924 Iraq abolishes slavery
1924 League of Nations Temporary Slavery Commission
1926 Slavery Convention. Bound all signatories to end slavery CONVENTION TO SUPPRESS THE SLAVE TRADE AND SLAVERY (25 Sep 1926)
1926 Nepal abolishes slavery[20][21]
1928 Iran abolishes slavery[22]
1928 Domestic slavery practised by local African elites abolished in Sierra Leone[23] (paradoxically established as a place for freed slaves). A study found practices of domestic slavery still widespread in rural areas in the 1970s.
1936 Britain abolishes slavery in Northern Nigeria[24]
1942 Ethiopia abolishes slavery
1948 UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally[25]
1952 Qatar abolishes slavery
1962 Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery
1962 Yemen abolishes slavery
1963 United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery
1970 Oman abolishes slavery
1980 Mauritania abolishes slavery[26] (Mauritania has repeatedly abolished slavery. It is the last country to still have chattel slavery.)[27]
Slavery continues today with illegal human trafficking[28]

Originally Posted by DeepThought
You came here for the wealth all that 'orrible slavery helped create, yet your own opinion of yourself is so pathetically over inflated to compensate for the fact your really a groveling little coward trying to placate the 'niggers' who front you out on the street.

WOW.............Moderators, why isn't this guy permanently banned? I mean how many times do you have to suspend this guy? He has said things like this to many times to ignore.

WOW.............Moderators, why isn't this guy permanently banned? I mean how many times do you have to suspend this guy? He has said things like this to many times to ignore.

does it goes for calling jews parasites?

WOW.............Moderators, why isn't this guy permanently banned? I mean how many times do you have to suspend this guy? He has said things like this to many times to ignore.

You never win an argument with me Ganymede. I always show you up for the liberal hypocrite you are.

And that annoys the hell out of you.

Keep calling for mummy .

Don't put on airs. As monsters go, you aren't that scary.

I said the monster is a projection of our own fears.

If the title of the thread was "Slavery. As bad as holocaust?"
I would agree with it.

Human beings packed like sardines in a slaver ship rife with typhoid.
If they survive the journey, they are treated like beasts and worked to death.

Human beings packed like sardines in a mock shower room being gassed. If they are not chosen for this fate, then they are treated like beasts and worked to death.

Yes, they are roughly equivalent.

You never win an argument with me Ganymede. I always show you up for the liberal hypocrite you are.

And that annoys the hell out of you.

Keep calling for mummy .


You must be a family member of one the moderators. Someone really, really likes you here. Because you break the forum rules with impunity, and If you do get punished, it's a mere slap on the wrist.

You must be a family member of one the moderators. Someone really, really likes you here. Because you break the forum rules with impunity, and If you do get punished, it's a mere slap on the wrist.


Disagreeing with ultra-left leaning liberals, black supremacists and Islamic fundies is not breaking the forum rules.

I only throw back as good as I get.

Disagreeing with ultra-left leaning liberals, black supremacists and Islamic fundies is not breaking the forum rules.

I only throw back as good as I get.

Please, I challenge you to find any statement made by anyone on this forum that insinuated that Blacks are Superior, or anyone that preached Black supremacy. Anytime race is brought up, you come storming in pontificating White Supremacy, and Black Inferiority.

You'll be banned trust me, you're to filled with hate, and you can only suppress it for so long before it materializes in a debate. One thing is for sure. If the tables were turned, and you were talking about Whites the way you did Blacks, you would of been banned eons ago.

Please, I challenge you to find any statement made by anyone on this forum that insinuated that Blacks are Superior, or anyone that preached Black supremacy. Anytime race is brought up, you come storming in pontificating White Supremacy, and Black Inferiority.

You'll be banned trust me, you're to filled with hate, and you can only suppress it for so long before it materializes in a debate. One thing is for sure. If the tables were turned, and you were talking about Whites the way you did Blacks, you would of been banned eons ago.

how about saying a race of people are parasites?

Please, I challenge you to find any statement made by anyone on this forum that insinuated that Blacks are Superior, or anyone that preached Black supremacy. Anytime race is brought up, you come storming in pontificating White Supremacy, and Black Inferiority.

You'll be banned trust me, you're to filled with hate, and you can only suppress it for so long before it materializes in a debate. One thing is for sure. If the tables were turned, and you were talking about Whites the way you did Blacks, you would of been banned eons ago.

No he does not come in pontificating white supremacy. Stop lying long enough to remember your own bullshit.

Just ignore the person with the fucking ignore function and quit trying to get people banned. Did you want a blog for your propaganda then start one.

Holocaust and slavery both were using people against their will to work because of their race. However, the holocaust also killed people because of their race, so I'd say holocaust is slightly worse than just slavery alone.

No he does not come in pontificating white supremacy. Stop lying long enough to remember your own bullshit.

Just ignore the person with the fucking ignore function and quit trying to get people banned. Did you want a blog for your propaganda then start one.


How many times do I have to tell you that you're out of your league whenever you attempt to call me out. Now I will proceed to illustrate that you're the one misrepresenting the facts, and sticking up for a known White supremacist.


Quotes from Mr. Deepthought on the subject of race

Wow.... now I see why Harvard is America's top university.

In a nation where blacks are over represented in prisons, achieve lower educational attainment, commit more crime, earn less, suffer worse health, live in run down neighborhoods, are victims of crime, produce violent music and violent culture, have very few positive role models, and are given to spending what little money they have on bling, Harvard geniuses suggest that equating negative words with black faces is an expression of subconscious racism.

LOL.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1613808#post1613808


Desi,

Racial mixing is wrong.

In nature black and white people don't live together.

Whites come from Europe, Blacks come from Africa.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1488139#post1488139

Spurious,

Now that we have recorded the African genome...what further use can Africans be to us?

Moderator note:
Inaccurate, racist post: infraction for trolling 3 points

Africans are not put on earth for your personal use

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1568568#post1568568

Whats wrong with the liberals on here... can't blacks be more intelligent than whites?

Nope!

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1585364#post1585364


You must be joking.

People who think that races should live separate existences are not racists. They