This report goes back to 2001, but I believe that the basic issues still hold true.

"Britain on Monday stood by its refusal to apologise for its part in the transatlantic slave trade at a highly charged UN racism summit, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair said.
Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands are believed to be in sympathy with British fears that an apology would add legal momentum to demands that those countries which traded in slaves pay reparations. "


Question: Should Britain, the rest of Europe and the US make reparations for the profits made by slavery, and the consequent degradation of African states?

About $ 3 Trillion would cover it.

no one will pay it.

everyone is dead.

Who do we make the check out to?

The one reason I can find that such a payment is a bad idea is that it would not be given in good faith, and thus would only irritate old wounds that need to heal.

Of course, if the South decided to secede again over something like that, I would be happy to let them, and the U.S. would probably be better off.

This report goes back to 2001, but I believe that the basic issues still hold true.

"Britain on Monday stood by its refusal to apologise for its part in the transatlantic slave trade at a highly charged UN racism summit, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair said.
Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands are believed to be in sympathy with British fears that an apology would add legal momentum to demands that those countries which traded in slaves pay reparations. "


Question: Should Britain, the rest of Europe and the US make reparations for the profits made by slavery, and the consequent degradation of African states?

About $ 3 Trillion would cover it.

no we shouldnt say sorry for the slave trade!! what about all the whites that were also slaves?? i want an apologie for that!!

When did the UK outlaw slavery?

When did the UK outlaw slavery?

Look it up and tell us.

The one reason I can find that such a payment is a bad idea is that it would not be given in good faith, and thus would only irritate old wounds that need to heal.

Of course, if the South decided to secede again over something like that, I would be happy to let them, and the U.S. would probably be better off.

Yes, the fact that it was not given in good faith might hurt a bit, but $3 Trillion is a wonderful healer.

no we shouldnt say sorry for the slave trade!! what about all the whites that were also slaves?? i want an apologie for that!!

Yes that should all be put in the calculation.

Yes that should all be put in the calculation.

you dont see white people still crying over somthing that was abolished years ago. so why should people be compensated for they're relatives being slaves?

you dont see white people still crying over somthing that was abolished years ago. so why should people be compensated for they're relatives being slaves?

It's a legal matter. Look, there is no way we will ever pay back the debt for the damage that we owe to these countries. I accept that. But we are in a position today which is still benefitting from the riches we gained, and the countries we exploited are still suffering from those same acts.

Oh, and Dragon, Post #2. You are correct.

I've always wondered...
If their ancestors hadn't been slaves, doesn't that mean they would still be living in Africa? Is that better?

Chris:

But we are in a position today which is still benefitting from the riches we gained, and the countries we exploited are still suffering from those same acts.


Oh, well that's just tough shit, isn't it!? If they want 'compensation', they can invade and take it from our cold dead hands.

To the whingers who want compo, I've got this to say: "Quit your bitchin', nigger!"

Chris:


Oh, well that's just tough shit, isn't it!? If they want 'compensation', they can invade and take it from our cold dead hands.

To the whingers who want compo, I've got this to say: "Quit your bitchin', nigger!"

........

I've always wondered...
If their ancestors hadn't been slaves, doesn't that mean they would still be living in Africa? Is that better?

If they had been living in the Africa that would have resulted from free trade and enterprise with Europe instead of bloodsucking exploitation, yes probably.
Look what happened with Ireland as a nation once they became part of Europe instead of a backwater of the British Isles.

It's a legal matter. Look, there is no way we will ever pay back the debt for the damage that we owe to these countries. I accept that. But we are in a position today which is still benefitting from the riches we gained, and the countries we exploited are still suffering from those same acts.

Oh, and Dragon, Post #2. You are correct.

oh and the families of the slaves arent gaining??

oh and the families of the slaves arent gaining??

How? Most of them died of intensive labour and had no descendents. What was the average life of a slave? Was it 10 years? 15 years? While some of the slaveowners were unquestionably decent people, others saw slaves as a replaceable commodity.

How?

well majority of the families of people who were slaves are now working and are doing well, (ok i understand not all of them are) if they let go of this "you enslaved my great great great uncle" they might get on with life and have the privalges that we do!!

not all slaves were black and quite frankly you dont see relatives of white slaves demanding compensation!

It's not individuals that would ask for compensation, it's countries.

They can ask all they like. They ain't getting it!

3 Trillion...what? Dollars? Bank notes?

Sure why not? I'm all for anything that will accelerate the current system collapse...

Plus it would be funny to see that Dave Chappele skit come to reality.

Um, as for the black slaves, didn't their own tribal leaders/cheifs sell them to white people back in the day to begin with? If so, then they need to go back to Africa and take any issues up with their ancestors' chiefs' descendants.

Are you kidding me, money for slavery? Might as well pay for everyone who has been to the war and suffered.

Are you kidding me, money for slavery? Might as well pay for everyone who has been to the war and suffered.

He's back!

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He's back!

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It is a dragon of illusions

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He deserves an infraction for returning. Lousy mofo.

He deserves an infraction for returning. Lousy mofo.

That would be evil.

It is a dragon of illusions


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spurious_monkey
Create, Undo, Degrade (50 posts)

:bawl:

cry rivers, cry mansoons, cry....but silence is the reality. cold and pitiful.

cry rivers, cry mansoons, cry....but silence is the reality. cold and pitiful.

fall through abyss, fall through limitless clouds, fall....but silence is the reality. cold and pitiful.

spurious:

Are you kidding me, money for slavery? Might as well pay for everyone who has been to the war and suffered.


Precisely.

What race/ethnicity/country has not experienced hardship, injustice, suffering and exploitation at the hands of another foreign group? And who knows how successful said country would be if they hadn't suffered such exploitation. Perhaps Poland would be the centre of today's civilization if it had not been screwed over by its neighbours. We just don't know.

Are we all going to start keeping 'tabs' on the harm that certain groups inflicted on our ancestors? "Your Ottoman forefathers kidnapped by great great grandmother and enslaved her! I want compensation!"

"Your Jewish grandfather dobbed my Polish grandmother into the Soviets, resulting her in being sent to work to death in the Gulags. I want compensation!"

"Your English great great great great great Grandaddy stole my a house in York which belonged to my Jewish relative in 1405. I want compensation!"

Such absurdity comes close to the vendettas practiced by the Sicilians.

They can ask all they like. They ain't getting it!

i want compensation when my uncle was mining years ago and the mine collapsed on him and his work mates!!

wander if i talk to tony blair i'll get it??

i want compensation when my uncle was mining years ago and the mine collapsed on him and his work mates!!

wander if i talk to tony blair i'll get it??

well actually...sue the government/mining corporation.

I've always wondered...
If their ancestors hadn't been slaves, doesn't that mean they would still be living in Africa? Is that better?Yes

Yes

why is it better? is it better for you? or for them?

Both

you live in a white majority city (89% or so) so why does that bother you?

why is it better? Are you really asking me why it would be better if people had never been inslaved?

you live in a white majority city (89% or so) so why does that bother you?It is more like 97%, what does that have to do with this?

Are you really asking me why it would be better if people had never been inslaved?

no i meant to ask, do you think people should stay in africa, or wherever they were taken from? if so, why?

Ethnic groups: white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)

no i meant to ask, do you think people should stay in africa,If "people" want to stay in "Africa" I don't care. or wherever they were taken from? People should never be "taken" from anywhere.if so, why?
Are you really asking me why it would be better if people had never been inslaved?

It is more like 97%, what does that have to do with this?

So why do the 3% bother you?

I am bothered that the 3% commits alot of crime here.

The other 97% dont commit crime?

So what of all the times that the native peoples of Great Britain have been captured or enslaved by other countries. I mean we've had the French Ruling, The Vikings and The Romans. All involving persecution to an extent, should those people of England that are the descendants of raped slave girls and fearing clans also ask for money for what history has thrown at them?

In essense those that live today do not agree with those policies of old, this is proven by not just the abolishment of the slave trade but the continued policing of such trades being commited illegally. The Universal Declaration of Humans Rights was also founded to maintain that such slavery will never occur again, of course all this cost, it cost the lives of those that were slaves and that is where you should look to for remembering, to repay would mean that nothing would have been achieved.

The other 97% dont commit crime?

In Washington State, blacks make up 23 percent of the inmate population in the state Department of Corrections, while constituting just 3.4 percent of the state population, state officials say.

http://members.tripod.com/~ronmull/racism.html

Nick:

The other 97% dont commit crime?


Come now, Nick. It's not like you to feign obtuseness. Of course whites commit crime. But non-whites seem to commit a larger, disproportionate amount of the crime.

In Washington State, blacks make up 23 percent of the inmate population in the state Department of Corrections, while constituting just 3.4 percent of the state population, state officials say.

Racial profiling is a serious issue in the United States.

But non-whites seem to commit a larger, disproportionate amount of the crime.

How do you know?

It's a legal matter. Look, there is no way we will ever pay back the debt for the damage that we owe to these countries. I accept that. But we are in a position today which is still benefitting from the riches we gained, and the countries we exploited are still suffering from those same acts.

Oh, and Dragon, Post #2. You are correct.

Actually since it is not like Europeans or Americans went over and captured slaves, I say tough shit. The African tribes were preying on each other for slaves LONG before Europeans and Americans entered the scene. Hell, they still have slavery. We did not prey on them one damn bit. Slaves were offered freely as part of trade for Rum among other things. Those nations that sold slaves already had their recompense and since EVERY tribe did it at some point, none of them have the right to be boitching.

TW Scott:

Actually since it is not like Europeans or Americans went over and captured slaves, I say tough shit.

It is like that, actually. Partially, anyway.

The African tribes were preying on each other for slaves LONG before Europeans and Americans entered the scene. Hell, they still have slavery. We did not prey on them one damn bit.

While you naivette is endearing, you really ought to research a little and inform yourself. Otherwise, you risk looking silly.

Slaves were offered freely as part of trade for Rum among other things. Those nations that sold slaves already had their recompense and since EVERY tribe did it at some point, none of them have the right to be boitching.

Exactly how much rum is a person worth, according to you?

Actually, even if we assume you're correct, I wasn't aware that the Europeans and Americans who traded rum for slaves then set all the slaves free as a matter of principle. I was under the impression that they willingly shipped the slaves off to work on their plantations. But I'm sure I must be wrong, since all Europeans and Americas were fine upstanding supporters of human rights for all. Right?

And no slave trading ever happened in Europe or America, did it, once the African slaves arrives there? There was no on-trading going on in markets in the US, for example. Was there?

TW Scott:It is like that, actually. Partially, anyway.

Pay attention next time in Wolrd historyy class, I know you have the brain to absorb the knowledge. Slavery existed in Africa before there were Romons. Hell even before their were Pharoahs. And the best rule of thumb in business is minimize expenditures. trading lives for slaves is expensive, trading baubles and liquor...much cheaper.


While you naivette is endearing, you really ought to research a little and inform yourself. Otherwise, you risk looking silly.

Are you kidding me? Your the one looking a bit silly to the world. Those tribes captured slaves and SOLD them for goods. Even if the traders had not bought them the people still would have been slaves. Quite a bit of Africa still does this. yes we took advantage of the goods offered,

Exactly how much rum is a person worth, according to you?

Me personally, I would never trade a person for rum, but that is besides the point, someone did and they weren't forced to.


I'm not defending the actions of anyone in the situation. I'm just saying that there is no reason to punish people today for what wasn't even a crime when it happened. Yes it was morally wrong, but it wasn't illegal.

Actually, even if we assume you're correct, I wasn't aware that the Europeans and Americans who traded rum for slaves then set all the slaves free as a matter of principle. I was under the impression that they willingly shipped the slaves off to work on their plantations. But I'm sure I must be wrong, since all Europeans and Americas were fine upstanding supporters of human rights for all. Right?

And no slave trading ever happened in Europe or America, did it, once the African slaves arrives there? There was no on-trading going on in markets in the US, for example. Was there?

Oy vey, the stupidity of your comments is astounding.. Actually the traders in question took the slaves and sold them on market. I would suppose a few buyers set the slaves free, but it matters little at this point. For the slaves it was slavery in that tribe or slavery in another country. Once they were captured by the slave trading tribe they were pretty much screwed.

As for the trading that happened in this country, yes, in our infancy we had slave trading. However that was abolished long ago. Same cannot be said for a good deal of Africa and the Middle East.

TW Scott:

Slavery existed in Africa before there were Romons.

And that is relevant because...?

Those tribes captured slaves and SOLD them for goods. Even if the traders had not bought them the people still would have been slaves. Quite a bit of Africa still does this. yes we took advantage of the goods offered...

So, there was no fault on the part of the buyers; only the sellers. Interesting willful blindness on your part.

Me personally, I would never trade a person for rum, but that is besides the point, someone did and they weren't forced to.

Every transaction involves supply and demand. No demand - no market. Get it?

I'm not defending the actions of anyone in the situation. I'm just saying that there is no reason to punish people today for what wasn't even a crime when it happened.

No worries about that. The people who did that trading are not alive today.

Yes it was morally wrong, but it wasn't illegal.

So, it was ok then. Interesting.

Oy vey, the stupidity of your comments is astounding.. Actually the traders in question took the slaves and sold them on market. I would suppose a few buyers set the slaves free, but it matters little at this point. For the slaves it was slavery in that tribe or slavery in another country.

It didn't need to be. Americans and Europeans condoned slavery and made many slavers rich. So, your point that "We did not prey on them one damn bit" is just a little stupid, wouldn't you say?

As for the trading that happened in this country, yes, in our infancy we had slave trading. However that was abolished long ago. Same cannot be said for a good deal of Africa and the Middle East.

Try to stay on topic.

I may have been a bit out in my estimation that the money owing is $3 Trillion. In 2001 it was estimated at $8 Trillion. Human beings were the oil of their day. Their muscle strength powered everything.

James:

Racial profiling is a serious issue in the United States.


Can you demonstrate that the crime rate disparity between blacks and non-blacks is solely due to 'racial profiling'?

Maybe someone has already said this:

Britain gained from slavery, but so has almost every country in the world.

However, Britain was almost singularly responsible (directly and indirectly) for ending slavery around the world.

Perhaps someone can actually give a decent reason why slavery is wrong.

Maybe even tell us whose fault slavery is?

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/concise.jpg

Perhaps someone can actually give a decent reason why slavery is wrong.

Maybe even tell us whose fault slavery is?

Think of it as working all day every day and being taxed a 100% of your income.

Any takers?

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/concise.jpg

Any takers?

people are not guinea pigs, they are not trees in the forest, nor are people mindless dogs pissing on each other in the park. people have a mind and are intelligent.

Why, did blacks sell themselves to slavery in the first place? Why has everyone forgotten that blacks came from Africa and sold themselves to slavery because they wanted to leave Africa which was in its worst economic state.

And now that they come here...why couldn't they organize themselves properly? Why didn't they fight for their rights? because of low power of will and self esteem. Well, their problem.

people are not guinea pigs, they are not trees in the forest, nor are people mindless dogs pissing on each other in the park. people have a mind and are intelligent.

Why, did blacks sell themselves to slavery in the first place? Why has everyone forgotten that blacks came from Africa and sold themselves to slavery because they wanted to leave Africa which was in its worst economic state.

And now that they come here...why couldn't they organize themselves properly? Why didn't they fight for their rights? because of low power of will and self esteem. Well, their problem.

Get an education

http://afroamhistory.about.com/od/slavery/a/slavery.htm

This report goes back to 2001, but I believe that the basic issues still hold true.

"Britain on Monday stood by its refusal to apologise for its part in the transatlantic slave trade at a highly charged UN racism summit, a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair said.
Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands are believed to be in sympathy with British fears that an apology would add legal momentum to demands that those countries which traded in slaves pay reparations. "


Question: Should Britain, the rest of Europe and the US make reparations for the profits made by slavery, and the consequent degradation of African states?

About $ 3 Trillion would cover it.


Should we though? i mean what about white slavery....and islamic slavery...whites enslaved whites and islamics enslaved islamics..slavery happend but as for africa their contries goverments borrowed money off of our goverments...so ya know its their own fault

Should we though? i mean what about white slavery....and islamic slavery...whites enslaved whites and islamics enslaved islamics..slavery happend but as for africa their contries goverments borrowed money off of our goverments...so ya know its their own fault

if i borrow money i have to pay it back why should it be any differant for countries?

if i borrow money i have to pay it back why should it be any differant for countries?


reread please mother :D

reread please mother :D

oh yeah sorry!! :o

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Think of it as working all day every day and being taxed a 100% of your income.

Any takers?

That's nothing to do with the question I asked.

That's nothing to do with the question I asked.

It'sa good answer though.

No it isn't.

If you were taxed 100% of your income where would you sleep? How would you eat?

It doesn't even make sense.

Back to the original question, then.

jesus then maybe the vikeings denmark sweeden eg should have to pay us a huge debt fo invading us?

No it isn't.

If you were taxed 100% of your income where would you sleep? How would you eat?

It doesn't even make sense.

Back to the original question, then.

As the people who taxed you wished you to.

They could provide whatever they wanted to or not, and you'd have no choices but to accept what they said.

Kinda like in prison.

Oh, well, maybe your government gives you a house and a place to sleep, ours doesn't....or maybe that was just a completely wrong analogy.

You've still completely missed the point.

I suggest you re-read my requests.

I didn't ask for slavery in layman's terms.

Oh, well, maybe your government gives you a house and a place to sleep, ours doesn't....or maybe that was just a completely wrong analogy.

You've still completely missed the point.

I suggest you re-read my requests.

I didn't ask for slavery in layman's terms.

It was in answer to this:

Perhaps someone can actually give a decent reason why slavery is wrong.

Maybe even tell us whose fault slavery is?

Like I said, if its not wrong, would you choose it for yourself?

Given the option I outlined.

I want the descendants of the Romans to pay me reparations for enslaving my european ancestors. :)

I want the descendants of the Romans to pay me reparations for enslaving my european ancestors. :)

Indeed... those bastards killed pleanty of my German ancestors. My Irish ancestors were also done EQUALLY as wrong as the Africans. At least slaves were fed, during the Potato blight, Ireland STILL produced more than enough food for itself... it's just that the evil and cruel British (of whom I'm also descended) took all that food for use in England.

See-- if you go back far enough, you can always find someone to blame. Also, if you're going to punish white America-- you better be sure that you are punishing only those whites whos ancestry can be traced to American slavery-- my ancestors arrived right after the civil war and WWII. I'm a lucky feller-- the only nasty stuff in my past was Germany during WWII... my relatives avoided paying reparations by moving to the USA.

~String

"That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles -- right and wrong -- throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, 'You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it.' No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle."
Abraham Lincoln
--From the October 15, 1858 Debate at Alton

mountainhare:

Can you demonstrate that the crime rate disparity between blacks and non-blacks is solely due to 'racial profiling'?

Probably not. I don't think that is the sole cause, anyway. There are many social factors at work.

Social factors and what have you are irrelevant. As Abraham Lincoln put it himself, taking what belongs to one and giving it to someone else is the same principal no matter how you slice it. The demands of reparitions made by me to people I have never met, never raised a hand against, or ever in any way opressed is the epitomy of hippocracy.

Is is completely unacceptable in any terms to make this an issue of "us vs. them" which is exactly what those who demand reparitions are saying. Those in America who are impoverished and poorly educated have every means to pull themselves up and be protected between the Government's FAFSA program, the extrodinarily abundant scholarship programs for women and minorities, affirmitive action, unequal taxation between those of various incomes, public housing and social services, welfare, and anti-discriminatory and hate crime laws.

Putting aside that some of these acts fundamentally violate Abraham Lincoln's vision of equality, it is obvious at least to me that whatever obsticles that might be created by others do not in any way prevent anyone with the determination and spirit to make himself what he has chooses to be.

Of all the things discussed in this topic, it seems that the least valued and indeed barely mentioned necessety in the suscess of any individual is the power of the individual belief in themself. It was the same belief that you could be worth more than what others treated you to be which stirred such men as Martin Luther King Jr. The times of the Jim Crow Laws are long gone. Generations have now passed from the time of even Martin Luther King, and Abraham Lincoln himself returned to the Earth decades ago.

My question now, is what will be done with the opportunity now open to those who were once the oppressed, the penniless, the crippled, and the unwanted. I can not answer it, for it is not I who has this unparalleled opportunity.

Like I said, if its not wrong, would you choose it for yourself?

Given the option I outlined.

You are confusing "wrong" with a "a crap life".

I am still awaiting a decent reason why slavery is wrong....and who is to blame for slavery.

You are confusing "wrong" with a "a crap life".

I am still awaiting a decent reason why slavery is wrong....and who is to blame for slavery.

Slavery like reparitions, are an attempt by one class of people to impose the labor and hardships required by life upon others so that they might improve their own wealth and quality of life. If you would say it is perfectly acceptable to impose this condition upon others, then you should be the first to be hauled away in chains. Those who would violate the rights and freedoms of others are not entitled to that which they would deny another person. Anything less is to deem yourself of a higher order than other members of your species. The belief in a higher order of humans were the aspirations of such men as Adolph Hitler. Eventually, the opressed arise and are either eliminated in their insurrection, which looses the slave owner the foundations of his fortunes, or they will overcome and destroy their opresser. In either mannor, life is lost.

With reguards to whom is responsible for slavery, it is my contention that all in this world who continue to consider what is a human being or not based on such arbitrary criteria as individual fitness, health, gender, age, intellectual capacity, race, or personal view of beauty are those who perpetuate this sickness. The human animal can justify to his intellect anything which he chooses to believe.

omg these people who are after componsation are just greedy people who are out for free money.......lazy

If you would say it is perfectly acceptable to impose this condition upon others, then you should be the first to be hauled away in chains.


Ummm, but then according to your logic, if it was your opinion that I should then be hauled away in chains (thus imposing that condition upon "others"), you would have to be hauled away in chains. Then the person who hauled you away in chains would have to be hauled away in chains. Eventually the entire human race apart from one person would be in chains, and I suppose he/she would have to haul him/herself away?

As to the rest, good, at least you thought about it, but it wasn't really objective.

As to the rest, good, at least you thought about it, but it wasn't really objective.

In which way?

Reparations can begin by correcting fatal ethical flaws with respect to the global distribution of intangible resources, such as the world's 946 billionaires having a greater total wealth than the combined incomes of the poorest half of humanity.

You are confusing "wrong" with a "a crap life".

I am still awaiting a decent reason why slavery is wrong....and who is to blame for slavery.

If you think its so great, you can offer yourself on ebay. For free.:p

no one will pay it.

everyone is dead.

Exactly! I say America should *kill* everyone who owes them money. That way we won't have to pay them back.

Someone needs to tell this to the Goldmans. Trying to collect money from O.J when Nicole is already dead:shrug:

Racial profiling is a serious issue in the United States.Racial profiling is a serious excuse in the United States.

Exactly! I say America should *kill* everyone who owes them money. That way we won't have to pay them back.

Someone needs to tell this to the Goldmans. Trying to collect money from O.J when Nicole is already dead:shrug:

I am more of a sarcastical character. Hope you realize this.

Racial profiling is a serious excuse in the United States.


Racial profiling is a scientific analysis of the data. God bless America!

If you think its so great, you can offer yourself on ebay. For free.:p

So you're completely unable to explain why it's wrong, Sam? I always thought you were an intelligent poster. Sometimes I even respect you....but come on, think.

So you're completely unable to explain why it's wrong, Sam? I always thought you were an intelligent poster. Sometimes I even respect you....but come on, think.

I think its pretty obvious why its wrong. It breaks the first rule of trade, trade-offs.

I think its pretty obvious why its wrong. It breaks the first rule of trade, trade-offs.

Slavery is wrong because it breaks the first rule of trade :confused:

Trade-offs do not break any economic rule. They are a consequence of actually making a decision in any course of action where making that decision will have both positive and negative effects. Almost anything you do will have trade-offs.
In the case of slavery the trade-off is between having a cheap and plentiful supply of labour, and the moral consequences of causing human misery.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-off

Racial profiling is a scientific analysis of the data.You ain't gots no data.

Slavery is wrong because it breaks the first rule of trade :confused:

Trade-offs do not break any economic rule. They are a consequence of actually making a decision in any course of action where making that decision will have both positive and negative effects. Almost anything you do will have trade-offs.
In the case of slavery the trade-off is between having a cheap and plentiful supply of labour, and the moral consequences of causing human misery.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-off

I meant the lack of trade-offs for the person being enslaved.

I meant the lack of trade-offs for the person being enslaved.

You mean trade-offs for the person being enslaved, rather than the enslaver.
Then I am in agreement with you.

Minuses.
Loss of all family and friends, home. An unwanted emigration. Sea voyage packed like a Sardine. Probability of being sexually abused. Loss of influence over own destiny. Probable lower lifespan due to over work. Same due to exposure to new diseases. Near total loss of culture and native religion. ( I could go on)

Pluses
Let someone else provide these if they want to.