This is how I interpret the news coverage of the 6 UK soldiers that were killed near Basra a day or two ago.

At a town near Basra, deep in the heart of Sheite Iraq, Iranian agents fired on, or those under there influence fired on UK marines police at an anti UK demonstration. These marines were organizing and training a force of Iraqi police into an effective police force, something badly needed there and most of Iraq. The police were at the demonstration for the reasons police are at any demonstration with a chance of turning violent.

The marines returned fire killing two. When some in the crowd became enraged, the police retreated to the police station. In short order they were surrounded by ~400 gunmen. just before that point, most of the Iraqi police fled out a back window after suggesting the marines do the same. They and some of the Iraqis chose to stay and fight.
When it was over two more of the gunmen were dead as were all six marines. The remaining Iraqi police were at least wounded.
I figure they were over run and those marines alive were executed.

It seems Iranian agents are doing a better job of organizing their armed gangs than the Brits are doing organizing the police.
Clearly Iran plans on taking over southern Iraq, at least.

Nice troll superfudd, but the best trolls actually get the facts right and just interpret them wrong. You just got facts wrong, made unfounded allegations that even Dubya hasn't had the neck to make yet, and managed to piss on the reputation of six dead men by accusing them of firing into a crowd without provocation - not something that british troops are renowned for. And that's coming from an Irishman, which should give you an idea of how high their reputation for professionalism is.

BTW, last time I checked, they were military police, not "marine" police, whatever they are. (Police in boats perhaps?)

sparks, so what do you make of the sniffer dog allegations? (that's not a rhetorical Q, I'd like your views on that).
I think we aren't getting the full facts (as usual), the MOD has a history of being economical with the truth.

Also on a slight tangent, what the hell is happening with Chalabi?? I thought he was America's "main man":eek:

SuperFudd , your interpertation is hilarious .

So not to argue you on your views , I just like to give you mine :

I figure they were over run and those marines alive were executed.

Lets hope they can over-run and execute alotmore nazi-soldiers

It seems Iranian agents are doing a better job of organizing their armed gangs

Hey , the Job is never finished . There's always better .

Clearly Iran plans on taking over southern Iraq

Clearly .... :( Well why dont you start invading Iran then ?

Buhd :
what the hell is happening with Chalabi??

I saw this interview with him , he clearly wants his peoples (his party) to gain comntroll , but obviously the USA doesnt have enough faith in him yet . Perhaps they fear a Shiaa revolution , because thats what they get if they put this jerk there .

Still very confused but what seems to be certain is that the 6 Military Police (MP) (army, not marines) were in the police station when it was attacked by a mob 300/400 armed with AK47's and RPG's. it seems that there had been an incident earlier in which the MP's were not involved in and had no knowledge of as they had only just arrived at the police station.

It seems a patrol was being stoned by some youth's and a soldier then aimed his rifle at them in an attempt 'persuade' them to do something else. This upset one individual who went home to get his AK47 to confront the soldier and 'suprisingly' was shot for his troubles. When a ranting Iraqi with an AK47 starts charging at you I would think that shooting him is something that might happen.

There are reports from some of the Iraqi police present that the MP's not knowing the reason for the 'mob attack' and realising that they could not hold out for more than a few minutes decided to surrender their weapons and try to negotiate and reason with the crowd in an attempt to prevent mass bloodshed over 'what must be a misunderstanding of some kind'. They would have had at least 240 rounds of ammunion for their SA80 rifles (6x40rds 'minimum').
and could have killed many Iraqi's attempting to enter the building if they had wanted to. But they didn't.

Yes, Jihad alif whatever your name is, it does look like they were then executed by the mob. Gloat all you want, but decent people all over the world will simply see it as a slaughter by a group of savages on people who were not prepared to blaze away with deadly weapons if there was a chance of avoiding it.

One other point, if these had been Israeli Military policemen that town would now be a smouldering ruin and it's population just a pile of corpses's.

I doubt if you get my point Jihad, But GHANDI would!!!

Sparks,

Put down that pint and re-read my post.;)

aghart,
That's one side of what's coming out, but it's too early to comment yet. I'll give the MPs a lot of leeway as they're more professional than the US variety, and a lot better trained in this sort of thing, but leeway doesn't mean I'll believe everything. I want the full story on what happened with the crowd earlier, I want to know if the reports on al-jazera regarding the use of rubber bullets are accurate, and I refuse to accept that someone yelling angrily in their native tongue is sufficent grounds to shoot them. You said it yourself in an earlier post - in this kind of work, shooting first is not what you're trained to do.
And I sincerely doubt that RPGs were used, there's too little damage to the room being shown on the BBC and sky for that.

And as to surrendering your rifle to a mob? Even Jerrek wouldn't swallow that. Shouldering it, I could believe - but handing it over?

bhudmaash,
Like I said, too early for a conclusion yet, but if you're referring to the comment on the al jazera story, it doesn't sound like something that would blow up to this level.

Aqhart
Yes, Jihad alif whatever your name is

Oh please Aq..whatever your name is , what stupid childish shit is this ?

, it does look like they were then executed by the mob

God bless the mob

decent people all over the world will simply see it as a slaughter by a group of savages on people who were not prepared to blaze away with deadly weapons if there was a chance of avoiding it.

Todays "decent" peoples are nothing but cave-man barbarians in suits , what they call savage is to be consider the opposite . It is the SAVAGE Brits that invade our Arabian land and occupy it and then act tough on peoples , well peoples not taking ity anymore . I hope they will all get their Ak-47 and bring some Kalashinovian rain on theirs colonizing asses .

One other point, if these had been Israeli Military policemen that town would now be a smouldering ruin and it's population just a pile of corpses's.

If these had been Israeli Military Police who would ethnic cleanse the place there would be a ncie bus-cleansing shalom aleichem retalliation in Jerusalem .

But please , dont think that those lousy cottonpickers , trailer-cowboys and tea-fanatics are any better than the Fascist israeli , they're just dumber thats all .

I doubt if you get my point Jihad, But GHANDI would!!!

Thats great for Ghandi , Ghandi aint in Iraq without water occupied by an army filled with retards and cavemen who shoot at "hostile activity" or whatever stupid names they come up with

Lets hope Al-Majlis al-Al'a lil-Thawra al-Islamiyya fi al-'Iraq (http://www.sciri.btinternet.co.uk/) perhaps allied with Al-Hizb al-Shuyu'i al-Iraqi (http://www.iraqcp.org/framse1/) can guide peoples into Intifadah and resist against this colonization .

RAUS RAUS RAUS !!!!!!!!

:mad:

Thats great for Ghandi , Ghandi aint in Iraq without water occupied by an army filled with retards and cavemen who shoot at "hostile activity" or whatever stupid names they come up with
No, Ghandi was in the middle of India with a religious war between hinduism and islam, and under the rule of the British Empire - and he succeeded without violence.

In other words, Ghandi had a real problem. Iraq is childs play by comparison.

look Sparks , I should be honest and say I know little about Ghandi and the entire India situation , but I do know Ghandi didnt get any Shock & Awe ok ? Ghandi also didnt get Saddam

No, but he had worse problems to deal with - and he dealt with them without violence.
("Worse problems" included the fact that the british dominian of India was accepted by the world, there was no world forum or media to appeal to, and after the first uprising, noone was terribly bothered by british troops shooting indians, amongst other things...)

sparks ghandi may not have resorted to violence but much murder was commited by mobs loyal to him

Yes bhudmaash, but he condemned their actions and called for them to cease. Frankly, you could no more put the blame for their actions on him than you could blame Martin Luther King for the actions of the Black Panthers.

could blame Martin Luther King for the actions of the Black Panthers

I didnt know they were loyal to MLK ?

Worse problems

And thats worse than Saddam/Shock & Awe + Iran + Gulf 1 ?

noone was terribly bothered

here neither

Brits are getting Boered with America's Colon. Eee!

Perhaps more Americans will think twice when Britain packs up and goes home. I'm sure the Prez' handlers are leaning on the Brits hard to delay British withdrawal beyond the US elections.

In the UK, it seems popularly understood already, through prior collective experience, that the Iraq adventure and occupation have already seen their best days, and that from here on out it's a brilliant bowl of shit.

The only small comfort is that the Iraqi resistance is much less deadly to Brits than are the American teens "seeing the world" outside for the first time through their gunsights.

:(

I have seen on tv today what they obviously propagate as an "ordinary" USA soldier on CNN . It was some "we is" cottonpicker from Virginia who supposed to be sergeant with 150 men under him (OMG) and he was communicating with this "ordinary" Iraqi Sunni store-owner young women , and they (2 soldiers) and the family acted all very friendly and discussing even occuptaion etc , all very nice . The Amerikans were total idiots , why would they want to propagate they have idiot soldiers ? The Iraqi woman spoke better English than Tom , it was hilarious . The discussion was like :

Idiot : But what about you ?
Iraqi : Me ? Im in my own country you are the occupyer
*Idiot looking down and up and scratching his head
Other Idiot : So , what if we say ok lets leave tomorrow , would u prefer that ?
Iraqi : What ? You come all this way and destroy my country and then just leave ? How can you say such a thing ?

But in the end they all hugged and kissed .....

BARF !!!!!!

It's a shame this happened to the Brits, given their overall conduct so far.

Mr Jihad-lala should be grateful that General Jacob H. Smith is not in command over there. That Iraq is being treated differently to say, Balangiga or Samar.

This "kill them all" attitude of his seems to be somewhat similar of the US towards the Phillipines back in the early 1900's - A hundred years ago.

Perhaps a return to the style of thinking displayed by the US back then would show him the true meaning of oppression. Perhaps he doesn't fully appreciate what might result if the US start thinking as he does. Perhaps he really doesn't see the difference between the Brits and the US. Perhaps he just doesn't generally have a clue.

Mr Jihad-lala should be grateful that General Jacob H. Smith is not in command over there. That Iraq is being treated differently to say, Balangiga or Samar.

Im not gratefull for anything mr Marquis-looloo . Its quite bad there are so few psychotic massmurderers for the Iraqi hate to rise and make them stand up and resist . The longer they wait the more they suffer , so if he would help speed up the proces GREAT .

This "kill them all" attitude seems to be somewhat similar of the US towards the Phillipines back in the early 1900's - A hundred years ago.

Its quite irellevant to such a case , also demonstrating you can count doesnt do you much good either . Who cares about that ?

Do you suggest I should pose a friendly attitude toward invaders ? Invite them for tea ? Corpses is what they can have .

Marquis:
Bottle of bourbon says mr.jiahadarohewhateverthefuck is some little suburban bitch suffering from a particularly nasty case of white guilt.
Nothing more.
Well, nothing more than an illustration of what idiotic shitstains the followers of Abrahamic religions are.
Lion pit anyone?

The latest over ehre is that the crowd was angered by the prospect of house searches, and they also couldnt distingush rubber bullets from rela ones, although why the troops were firing them isnt totally clear. you dont jsut shoot them at a crowd and expect them to disperse. furtehrmore the fatehr of one of hte men is angry becaus eit seems they were on their own, no backup nearby. The thing seems to be partly due to Iraq not being northern ireland. there you can search peoples hosues and shoot runbber bullets at crowds and they wont generally fire back. And an obvious lack of comunication between the iraqis and british, and up and down the british chain of command.

Hey Sharmuta , you dont know what religious views I hold to compare them to other "Abrahamists" under one socalled "illustration" of idiocy .

Secondly , Im not sub-urban . And whats that about white ?

Oh, in this room, with my needle and my spoon
And a bottle in my arm, pills in my mouth in this room

You damn junkie :eek:

jiahadarohewhateverthefuck

:rolleyes:

Sharmuta has lack of Hamimi

Buy yourself a date at www.gigolo.com , might chear you up , Id say its been a while .

Mr Jihad Allah-Hassan-Aclu :

You don't get it do you?

It's entirely relevant. I'm pointing out a major difference between your occupiers and yourselves.

House searches involving "unclean" animals inspire the yokels to kill uninvolved people trying to help the community. Now there's logical 19th century thinking for you.

"Guy in a British uniform just had a dog in my house!"
"Gasp! that's unclean, those monsters!"
"Kill everyone wearing a British uniform!"

What you are espousing is an "eye for an eye" attitude on the part of the Iraqis, without distinguishing between those who were directly responsible for any incidents and those who weren't. This is something which, if taken up by the US or the Brits, would result in Iraq becoming even more of a sandy wasteland than it already is. According to your way of thinking, is there any particular reason why the US should not just develop the neutron bomb, drop a few on the middle east in general, and then do whatever the hell they want with what's left?

*edit : oh, and Xev.. wouldn't want to lose a bottle of bourbon ;)

Jihad Allah-Hassan-Aclu

:confused:

Hassan ? Aclu ? WTF is Aclu ?

"Guy in a British uniform just had a dog in my house!"
"Gasp! that's unclean, those monsters!"
"Kill everyone wearing a British uniform!"


Dont try to insult me man , this line of reasoning is not one bit comparable to mine .

What you are espousing is an "eye for an eye" attitude on the part of the Iraqis, without distinguishing between those who were directly responsible for any incidents and those who weren't.

See and this is the mistake you are making , its not eye for an eye because some individual mistakes , do you honestly think what they do is relevant in such miniscule differences ? Are they hostile as a force , yes . Are they an occupying force , yes . I dont care if they basketball or beat up peoples in order to declare them occupyers who should be chased out .

According to your way of thinking, is there any particular reason why the US should not just develop the neutron bomb, drop a few on the middle east in general, and then do whatever the hell they want with what's left?

This makes absolutely no sense , they already invaded so they obviously do SOMETHING already . Also , why would strategy instead of ideal matter more to make such a compare between my thoughts and what USA action should be ?

Anyways , dont think that I am worried or not ready for such a thing as you describe , they can try and we will see what happens next .

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
aghart,
That's one side of what's coming out, but it's too early to comment yet. I'll give the MPs a lot of leeway as they're more professional than the US variety, and a lot better trained in this sort of thing, but leeway doesn't mean I'll believe everything. I want the full story on what happened with the crowd earlier, I want to know if the reports on al-jazera regarding the use of rubber bullets are accurate, and I refuse to accept that someone yelling angrily in their native tongue is sufficent grounds to shoot them. You said it yourself in an earlier post - in this kind of work, shooting first is not what you're trained to do.
And I sincerely doubt that RPGs were used, there's too little damage to the room being shown on the BBC and sky for that.

And as to surrendering your rifle to a mob? Even Jerrek wouldn't swallow that. Shouldering it, I could believe - but handing it over?

bhudmaash,
Like I said, too early for a conclusion yet, but if you're referring to the comment on the al jazera story, it doesn't sound like something that would blow up to this level.


your right we are only getting one side so far because there were no British survivors at the police station. it does seem like a breakdown in communication regarding house searches is the cause of all this. it does seem though that the MP's were not involved in the first incident at all and were visiting a number of police stations to discuss the purchase of uniforms for the Iraqi police, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

RPG's were not used but were being carried by many of the mob.

As for the shooting of the chap with the AK47, we are talking culture here, no one in the west would rush towards armed soldiers brandeshing an AK 47 and 'not' expect to get shot.

Hopefully this will be sorted about without escalation into something worse.

surrender or hand over the weapons, does it matter which, the fact is that rather than use up 240 rounds plus on the armed mob outside, they tried (because they had no idea why the mob was there) to prevent a slaughter and ended up getting slaughtered themselves.

they tried (because they had no idea why the mob was there) to prevent a slaughter and ended up getting slaughtered themselves.

This is the difference that Jihad Iman-Angri'Rab doesn't get.

Dont try to insult me man , this line of reasoning is not one bit comparable to mine

It's an example of a line of reasoning which is flawed, and therefore comparable to yours.

Are they an occupying force , yes . I dont care if they basketball or beat up peoples in order to declare them occupyers who should be chased out .

So, are you saying that they should act as conquerors? That they shouldn't go in for all this guff about being nice to you and be honest?

surrender or hand over the weapons, does it matter which, the fact is that rather than use up 240 rounds plus on the armed mob outside, they tried (because they had no idea why the mob was there) to prevent a slaughter and ended up getting slaughtered themselves.
The reports I'm now reading state that the MPs used up all of their ammunition and were then overrun.

This is the difference that Jihad Iman-Angri'Rab doesn't get.

And this is exactly what mr Marquis doesnt get , it is IRELLEVANT what action the soldiers are in for them to be TARGETS who should be killed and chased out . Only thing different IF they would try to prevent a slaughter would be that they are IDIOTS .

It's an example of a line of reasoning which is flawed, and therefore comparable to yours.


What are you trying to pull mister ? You just then can bring in some random "an apple is not an egg" saying and draw compare because it is supposed to be the same as mine because mine is supposed to be flawed as well ?

LMAO

So, are you saying that they should act as conquerors? That they shouldn't go in for all this guff about being nice to you and be honest?

If they would have any brain that is what they would do rather than this . Only idiots shoot at you first and then try to help you up and dont expect being killed in return .

What they SHOULD have done is STAY HOME . As long as they are there , weither they are playing tennis or wanking or balancing on their heads or humiliating my peoples they should be dealt with violently . Anyways whatch the situation closely , there will be a day when they cannot longer blame everything on Fedayeen as more groups will be/are involved in resisting occupaion , and when Intifadah comes things will seriously start changing .

Im for different resistance-tactics however ......... but hey , cant have it all can we .

I think what is becoming apparent from all this huffing and puffing from members is that you cannot really lay ultimate responisibility for the war at the feet of the poor grunts that are carrying out what has been ordered to them by Washington.

Time for another plane in the side of the pentagon methinks.

Washington has to learn.

Originally posted by Xev
Marquis:
Bottle of bourbon says mr.jiahadarohewhateverthefuck is some little suburban bitch suffering from a particularly nasty case of white guilt.
Nothing more.
Well, nothing more than an illustration of what idiotic shitstains the followers of Abrahamic religions are.
Lion pit anyone?

....ah the now obligatory "hit and run" by Xev. I was waiting, what took u so long??

I dont know if I should even bother to offer any kind of reposte, it never comes back to back up its "arguments".

ok, you're on, bottle of bourbon it is. Now prove it. Dont make a bet you cant back up shit for brains, I'm pretty sure Jihad aint some "suburban bitch suffering from white guilt"...so I win, give me my bottle you Ho'.
and define "white guilt" byatch.

as far as :

nothing more than an illustration of what idiotic shitstains the followers of Abrahamic religions are.

...goes, what is an illustration of what?
idiotic shitstain followers?
what do you believe in, define your faith, ...go back to your alcohol and drug induced stupour bitch, ....and give me my bottle...oh on second thoughts shove it up yo' ass...i heard u take it that way.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
The reports I'm now reading state that the MPs used up all of their ammunition and were then overrun.

Seems that there are conflicting reports as to what happened depending on which newspaper or TV channel you watch.

The only thing that seems to be certain is that the soldiers were in the police station that was being besiged by the mob. In that situation people can only come in through certain area's i.e. doors and windows which makes them point blank range targets. Now either the soldiers were the worst marksmen in the history of the world and fired off 240 rounds of ammunition at point blank range and 'missed' or there are other factors involved.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see.

When the Iraqi militia attacked front line combat troops earlier in the day in the same town they wounded eight, but 1 Para killed at least 50, so it should be my turn to gloat Jihad-Alif Lam Lam Ha,

but I'm not and that's the difference between being civilised and being a stoneage savage.

but I'm not and that's the difference between being civilised and being a stoneage savage.

No , it is the difference between honesty and hypocracy firstly . Secondly it is the difference between action and resistance .

You're just lying to yourself , its pathetic . If you are not glad about what you do then WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THEN ?

Because you have a totally bias view from the oppressors perspective that you cannot let go of , the fact that you do not understand the difference between you coming to my house and slaughtering me and gloat & you coming to my house and being slaughtered while I gloat proves this . Whatver gloating may be
:confused: (I assume feeling good about it in some sense ?)

That is why you do what you do , because you believe in some imaginary way that what you do is for some good somehow .

You're the stoneage savage if you think that honesty and logics arent relevant in civilization . You can call me evil or disturbed or whatever you might wish to fool yourself with , but dont bring in civilization on me please , you only embaress yourself .......

You damn baboon

:p

I say Nuke 'em.

GLOAT... to look at or think about with wicked joy