I'm curious.

I'm wondering: is there extant within the anti-Iraq war component of the Sciforums WE&P demographic quantifiable -- thus commentable -- situational hypocrisy?

Please indicate which polling category best represents yourself and your convictions.

edit: Also, please indicate your convictions in your initial post. Thanx.

I'm: PW/PA/PDP

/:edit

Anti-Iraq war, pro-abortion, anti-death penalty.

Iraq - No evidence to support it
Abortion - Women's choice
Death Penalty - Life in a box is a greater punishment

bah!
is it humanely possible to get this smug?

:D

Anti-Iraq war, pro-abortion, anti-death penalty.

take note i do not consider a fetus human.
i want your opinion now please. am i consistent? shouldnt your poll be a bit sneakier to weed out the hypocrites?

Goofy, spookz and I are in total agreement.

Spookz:

Consistent? Time will tell.

I don't need "sneakier" if I'm soliciting respondent personal integrity.

I voted: PW/PA/PDP

time will tell? what purpose do you see this poll serving then?
you are counting on the poll respondents integrity in order to prove their hypocrisy? what am i missing here?

Nothing, for the most part.

Calling this 'Situational Hypocrisy' is fairly silly. They are different events with different reasons. If you say 'killing is wrong' then being pro for war/death penalty may be hypocritical, but abortion opens even more doors because society is undecided as to when the fetus is a person.

Persol:

Declare, be counted and be considered.

PW PA ADP

This is assuming that whatever reason they aren't telling us for war is reasonable.

Persol:

Thanx. "Reasonable" is also about when a fetus is definably "life", no? ;)

Yeah, I believe the same applies to a fetus... but some do not.

An 9 month fetus I'd consider human.
A cell that was just fertilized I'd consider a cell.
In between is more difficult to decide.

In between is more difficult to decide.
Yep.

I personally define life as the age passed conception of independent viability. When that is I'm not certain: somewhere during the third trimester, I imagine.

goofyfish, spookz, Pollux V:

One of you hasn't participated in the poll.

Which of you should we hold suspect for functional inadequacy?

anti-war except after 12 years and 17 resolutions.

pro-abortion if done in the first trimester.

anti-death penalty. Not because I'm a humanitarian, but too many people being found innocent after serving time now that forensics have improved.

The occupaton of Iraq should be aborted as quickly as possible. A partial-birth abort is OK too. Once it is writhing in hideous deformity, everyone, including Mr G, will want the wretched, finance-breaking, inviable thing that is deadly to all who touch it put out of its wretched misery, or at least removed from life support. Those who advocated taking it full term and beyond and critically weakening its mother will feebly explain it as God's mysterious plan, and deny personal responsibility.

hypewaders:

Thanks for the off-topic rhetoric.

Now, please declare your convictions in full daylight so that we may generate statistics useful for discussion.

Thanks.

How does a vote of "I don't care" on all counts affect things?

:D

anti-war: don't like the way W is going about it.

pro-abortion: don't really like it, but think it should be legal

anti-death: not out of morals, more because it doesn't seem to work.

This is my first post here, so please resist the urge to eviscerate me immediately.

I am anti-war for more reasons than I can list here this morning. I'm pro-abortion just as I am on all personal choice issues. I'm also pro-death penalty, but with some reservations. I have the least conviction on my death penalty stance.


I'm glad I came across your forum. I've been reading for two days, and have enjoyed the diversity and tolerance among topics and people that I've seen :) .

Anti-war
[war is NOT the answer when addressing Iraq]

Anti-Abortion
[even if the baby is deformed and will grow a third eye on his/her forehead, the baby should be given a chance to live. We should do more to educate and prevent abortions, however laws should not be made to prohibit abortion.]

Anti-death penalty
[The death penalty is not an effective crime deterrent, it's too humane, it lets the prisioner get off too easily, it's barbaric.]

Originally posted by Mr. G
goofyfish, spookz, Pollux V:

One of you hasn't participated in the poll.

Which of you should we hold suspect for functional inadequacy?

ooops! matter rectified. clear my good name. pronto!

:)

Ya true im a hypicrit but in certain situations death is needed

Pro-war: If we could assassinate Saddam, I'd be all for that, but whatever it takes.

Pro-abortion: Necessary

I'm rather wishy washy on the death penalty, just because I have heard conflicting reports on its efficiency and, more importantly, its accuracy.

Anti-war: killing is wrong, we're all human here, it makes me sad if we can't solve problems without killing.

Anti-abortion: Killing is wrong. Take more responsibilty for your actions. If the fetus is a danger to the mother's life, it should be carefully judged by a special authority.

Anti-Death Penalty: Killing is wrong, get past that primitive revenge response already, it's beneath you.

Fairly consistent I'd say. And just to repeat: Killing is wrong.

So, does this thread have a point, or what?

anti war, because it will hurt those who we should be protecting

anti abortion, same reason as above and at the moment its legally injust as the father has no say and yet is legally obliged to pay for the child

anti death penelty, just look at ronald ryan, same as the other 2 and death is wrong, we show that its ok if u have power to do what u like

so am i a hopocrit?

Anti-Iraq war;
For many reasons wich I cannot summerize here

Pro-abortion;
Ofcourse: Preventing yourself from being in this situation is better then being forced to having an abortion, but having an abortion is better then being forced to raise an un-wanted, un-needed child. Even if you do want it, and need it,....when you can't afford it,....then abort it and make sure you don't make the same mistakes again,..

It's the right you have over your own life, if you can't support a child, if you're still studying, if you're raped, ect, ect,...abortion should be observed from the vieuwing point of the elders, not that of the fetus. Sometimes accidents just happen, and if you CAN have another baby in the future, then why rush to have one now, just when you CAN'T support it?

Anti-death penalty;
It's morally wrong to bring someone to death. Even if he/she is the greatest purpetrader of all times, I would rather see them in prison for life. For me: Death = easy way out.
And in this way: if he/she turns out to be inocent afterall, then he/she may still enoy the rest of his/her life.(personally I think they should be paid dearly for this mistake of locking then up and missing out their lives!).

Greetz
fukushi

so far, notwithstanding the ambiguous definition of life, 60% of sciforumers stand with me. as such, i am placing the rest of you under house arrest pending judgement. the charge? murder or intent to murder!

*candy and lollipops for my team!

Originally posted by spookz
so far, notwithstanding the ambiguous definition of life, 60% of sciforumers stand with me. as such, i am placing the rest of you under house arrest pending judgement. the charge? murder or intent to murder!

*candy and lollipops for my team!

Spookz, you should rethink your anti abortion position a little (Early Early term). Don't you think that any mom (Usually a teen ager) performing an abortion has already been tormented so much by the decision and is only doing that as a last resort decision. There are so many unwanted unloved children being born just because people were not ready to have these kids.

i pondered. i pondered more! i paced. i paced further!
sure! ok! no problem!

Originally posted by goofyfish
Anti-Iraq war, pro-abortion, anti-death penalty.

Iraq - No evidence to support it
Abortion - Women's choice
Death Penalty - Life in a box is a greater punishment

Not to mention if your in jail and they realise they were wrong they can let you out and say opps our bad (If your lucky, they usualy won't even say that, just a grunt, usualy translated to mean, alright we were wrong but were not f00king admiting it now f00k arf before we arrest you for something else)
If your dead then it being proved innocent don't mean so much and another guy gets killed as well anyway.