I think it should be illegal because nothing good comes out of that trade.

I don't think prostitution should be "legal", because that implies a certain amount of government control or regulations.

I think prostitution should be "de-criminalised" ...if some woman wants to provide sex for a fee and some male wants to pay for the sex, then they should be able to enjoy themselves without interference from the government or the doo-gooders.

What, essentially, is the difference between spending money for a date in the hopes of getting laid, and just paying the price up-front and be assured of getting laid?

Baron Max

I think it should be illegal because nothing good comes out of that trade.

Well, if we go by that guideline we should also make politics illegal.

What, essentially, is the difference between spending money for a date in the hopes of getting laid, and just paying the price up-front and be assured of getting laid?

The former doesn't take 'getting laid' for granted. There is the whole process of emotional negotiation to get through.

You asked ;)

peace

c20

The former doesn't take 'getting laid' for granted. There is the whole process of emotional negotiation to get through. You asked

Didn't read my post, did you? Or perhaps, worse, you read it but couldn't comprehend it? Wanta' try it again? :)

Baron Max

Legalize it. I want a little regulation; just two things: VD tests for the Prostitutes and Internet posting of the johns IDs. I want the wives to be able to catch their husbands.

Keeping it illegal also requires regulation. Those that want to keep working underground still could work that way and have their VD and spread their VD to the wives of sleazy johns.

Nirakar, you MUST be a woman!? :)

Baron Max

Didn't read my post, did you? Or perhaps, worse, you read it but couldn't comprehend it? Wanta' try it again? :)

Baron Max

Oh I understood it.

Spot the errors in the following sentence ...

if some woman wants to provide sex for a fee and some male wants to pay for the sex, then they should be able to enjoy themselves

I've never known a woman who would want to be a prostitute. She would probably rather grow up in a loving household and one day have a loving boyfriend, a decent education, fun nights out with her friends, good standard of living and self respect....dont you think?
But invariably broken homes, bad boyfriends, drug addiction and the resulting lack of self respect leave these daughters of men feeling like they have no choice and nothing left to lose.
This is not what we want for our daughters. De-criminalising prostitution is the same as handing our daughters over to men who would disrespect them knowingly. Yes you can tell me the perils of driving it underground but I would rather my tax money went into setting up proper help centres to put these broken women back on their feet. Big visible help centres equipped with professional, compassionate people who really have the resources to be able to help. Does that make me a do-gooder? Good.

peace

c20

I've never known a woman who would want to be a prostitute.

And just how many women have you known in your life? And do you think that it's a representative cross-section of all the women in the world?

This is not what we want for our daughters.

All parents say/think that way??? And what of the ones who starve their children? Or the ones who lock them up in chains? Or the ones who sexually abuse them? Or the ones who run out on them and leave them destitute?

C'mon, c2, ye're just being "nicey-nicey" when it seems like the thing to say. But it ain't got shit to do with the realities of the world.

Where do the models come from who pose nude for the magazines? Where do he stippers come from in your local strip clubs? Where do the waitress come from who dress in almost nothing to wait tables in bars? Where do the XXX-rated actresses come from?

No, you don't know women worth a shit!! Try again. But this time try not to post some "nicey-nice" bullshit ...try for reality if you know what it is.

Baron Max

It should be legal, government controlled system, as long as the money has a chunk of tax taken out.
It is just sex, most natural thing in the world, but if it is going to be an actual industry then the government should take its cut like everyone else.

I HATE people who earn money without paying tax.

The more controlled it is the better, the cleaner it will be if it is just a job, not a way for criminals and scum to earn money and treat women badly.

I dont apply the same logic to drugs, in fact quiet the opposite, all drugs except for medicinal drugs should be eliminated, tea, coffee, alcohol, nicotine GONE.
Terrible habit, especially coffee, i have tried to quit caffiene for years and i cannot do it, now that is just fucking evil getting me hooked to that stuff in coca cola and shit, you see it in a lot of drinks.

And just how many women have you known in your life?

Enough to have a view.


And do you think that it's a representative cross-section of all the women in the world?

Yes.



All parents say/think that way???

People who love their kids yeah.

And what of the ones who starve their children? Or the ones who lock them up in chains? Or the ones who sexually abuse them? Or the ones who run out on them and leave them destitute?

The dont love their kids.


C'mon, c2, ye're just being "nicey-nicey" when it seems like the thing to say. But it ain't got shit to do with the realities of the world.

If more people were nicey-nicey then the realities of the world would contain far less negatives.

Where do the models come from who pose nude for the magazines? Where do he stippers come from in your local strip clubs? Where do the waitress come from who dress in almost nothing to wait tables in bars? Where do the XXX-rated actresses come from?

From their mothers wombs.

No, you don't know women worth a shit!! Try again. But this time try not to post some "nicey-nice" bullshit ...try for reality if you know what it is.

Baron Max

I could try again but I am afraid I am not going to say anything any different. I just cannot see prostitution as an acceptable way of life. It is a degrading and dangerous profession. Like I said, I would much rather my tax money go into developing opportunities for women who would like to regain their self respect.

peace

c20

I want the wives to be able to catch their husbands.
You bitch.

I agree that it should be legalized everywhere. It doesn't hurt anyone. It is already legalized in my country, anyway.

There should be rules to guarantee the safety of the prostitutes and about where pick up sites might be. Not so long ago such an area was closed close to where I live, the 'Tippelzone' (which was an official prostitute pickup zone) because it was a breeding place for drug dealers, addicts, too young prostitutes and nuisance for people living next to it.

if some woman wants to provide sex for a fee and some male wants to pay for the sex, then they should be able to enjoy themselves


Man = Enjoys himself
Woman = Earns loads of cash in my country, especially those that work as an escort. May even enjoy herself.

If a man has money and needs sex, and a women needs money and is willing to provide the sex, what's the problem? Why should sex be the only human need that can't be satisfied with cash?

Why should sex be the only human need that can't be satisfied with cash?

Call me old fashioned but I believe sex is deeply entwined with love and you cant buy that.

c20

Thank god prostitution is illegal!... lol, are people honestly still asking this question? look how well the anti-prostitution battle has gone.

Ironically, with todays laws, the only benefactors are the pimps.

Hail justice!

Call me old fashioned but I believe sex is deeply entwined with love and you cant buy that.

There's a difference between "making love" and "having sex".

Did you used to ever be deeply entwined with yourself whenever you'd masturbate? I would hope not. That's basically the difference between making love and having sex. One's for a quick get-off, and the other is much more intimate.

- N

They're all whores anyways. :)

c20H25N3o

Hands up everyone who wants to clean toilets?
or handle toxic waste?
or spung bath hospital or nursing home patients?

i have herd this argument so many times and its shear idiocy

1) it ignores that there are jigilos
2) It ignores that its going to happen anyway and how to we lessen the halm that comes of it
3) and it makes out that all women have the same ethics, just because no one grows UP saying they want to be one doesnt mean that they dont CHOSE to be one, for starters young kids wouldnt know what one was anyway

And so what if there is no emotional negiotiation invlolved, FOR christ sake are you one of those rabid feminists? How many times do guys and girls get drunk and just screw? who are you to tell 2 (or more) concenting adults they shouldnt do it

It should be legal and they should have to pay taxes like the rest of us

Does it hurt people? No. Sure, some people may be forced to do it and therefore be hurt; But this is also the case with many other legal professions.

Well, if we go by that guideline we should also make politics illegal.
And pop music.

c20H25N3o

Hands up everyone who wants to clean toilets?
or handle toxic waste?
or spung bath hospital or nursing home patients?

i have herd this argument so many times and its shear idiocy

1) it ignores that there are jigilos
2) It ignores that its going to happen anyway and how to we lessen the halm that comes of it
3) and it makes out that all women have the same ethics, just because no one grows UP saying they want to be one doesnt mean that they dont CHOSE to be one, for starters young kids wouldnt know what one was anyway

And so what if there is no emotional negiotiation invlolved, FOR christ sake are you one of those rabid feminists? How many times do guys and girls get drunk and just screw? who are you to tell 2 (or more) concenting adults they shouldnt do it

It should be legal and they should have to pay taxes like the rest of us

Ok make it legal. But people's health is my primary concern here. Prostitutes and clients must obtain licenses to provide or receive services and in the interest of public health, they will have their license registered on a public register and be subject to health screening at regular intervals. Sexual diseases must be recorded on the license a bit like penalty points on a driving license. Being that it is now legal and perfectly acceptable there should be no stigma from having your name on a public register to let people know that you engage in an activity that is potentially harmful to others. The prostitutes could use such a license as a selling tool, proof of their clean bill of health so to speak. The clients would need such a license to prove to the prostitutes that they have a clean bill of sexual health. Well the prostitutes wouldn't want to lose their license by contracting a disease from an unlicensed client would they? Alternative lifestyles and education must be offered by regulating bodies to prostitutes who decide they want a new life free of prostitution and will be offered tax incentives to get out of the game in the interest of public health.

Sound fair to you?

c20

you do know its legal in australia with occ health and safty ect and we do not need licences well not for clents anyway. You are a female arnt you? public register???? what crap. EMPLOYEES of a brothal should be responcable for insuring all nessary steps for there own protection and that of there clients. That means the female condom and having male ones, shaving pubs ect. Just like in the food handling area. THAT is the way to run it. Not your idotic licence clients, what crap, you are trying to force it BACK to the black market sellers because i dont even USE them but if i did i wouldnt want some roll available to people like you who have a religious or political objection to it. Its called privacy laws learn them

Would you be happy for your daughter to take up such a legal occupation?

I wouldn't want my daughter to be a corporate lawyer either (which, by the way, is a profession that I think causes more social harm than prostitution), but that doesn't mean I want the profession banned.

would you be happy for your son to spend his life picking up nedles for the rest of his life? or cleaning up toxic waste?. Has nothing to do with what i want and everything to do with what THEY want

would you be happy for your son to spend his life picking up nedles for the rest of his life? or cleaning up toxic waste?. Has nothing to do with what i want and everything to do with what THEY want

I'm on a hiding to nothing here. I obviously dont want people to be at more risk than they already are. Personally i just think it is very sad when we sell ourselves to eachother. It makes me sadder to think we must legislate to make it more acceptable for that to happen without the inherent risk such a profession brings.

Perhaps it will be that anyone who strongly desires to live in a sleaze free community will have those desires shut out by the amoral majority. Perhaps then the majority will be happy. I'm not trying to seek my own way here, it is just that I am a citizen too and I have an opinion, that opinion being that alternative, more appealing lifestyles could be offered to prosititutes.

peace

c20

More appealiong lifestyles SHOULD be offered to them.
If they still want to choose prostitution, I wouldn't want to stand in their way.
It doesn't matter that I wouldn't go to one, or that I personally find it distasteful.
What matters is that, like drugs, legalization of it, would actually make it safer for the girls involved.
I prefer to think idealistically, but act pragmatically.

More appealiong lifestyles SHOULD be offered to them.
If they still want to choose prostitution, I wouldn't want to stand in their way.
It doesn't matter that I wouldn't go to one, or that I personally find it distasteful.
What matters is that, like drugs, legalization of it, would actually make it safer for the girls involved.
I prefer to think idealistically, but act pragmatically.

My problem is sanctioning something in law (albeit hypothetically, I obviously have no real power to make or break laws) that I believe devalues everyone, not just the prostitutes but their clients and the society that accepts it. I find it shameful that our daughters sell themselves in this way and if I was the broken hearted father of a prostitute, I would be doubly broken hearted that she could turn round to me and say 'It's a legal job dad, just like cleaning up litter or anything else, so get off my case.'

Its ok to say you think idealistically but act pragmatically, but since you have no chance to affect anything pragmatically, you might as well just hold fast to the idealism and espouse that. If we compromise on our ideals then we have handed over our society to the immoral.

This is a very difficult complex issue. It just leaves me feeling sad. Even if all the practical details were worked out and prostitutes were healthy and safe, I would still be sad for them and wish they had more fulfilling lives.

peace

c20

Its ok to say you think idealistically but act pragmatically, but since you have no chance to affect anything pragmatically, you might as well just hold fast to the idealism and espouse that.
Everyone who lives in a "Democratic" nation certainly has that power.
Hell even those who don't, STILL have the power, but it is much harder, then.
Besides, I think that how I feel about this issue does not cause any internal conflict.
Idealistically, I think it should be legal (see below).

If we compromise on our ideals then we have handed over our society to the immoral.
I am not compromising on my ideals.
I think there should be a clear divide between personal belief and public policy to maintain freedom of personal choice.
Morality can not be legislated, only actions can.
What the goal of laws should be (in my opinion) is not to reflect my own personal notions of morality (which, by the way, vividly differ from others') but to make the most people safe, secure and healthy.
If legalizing and regulating prostitution would do that, then the legalization of prostution fits cleanly into my ideals, even though it may not fit quite as cleanly into my own persnal notions of morality, or ideal existence.
I have a real problem with people who try to govern morality, especially when they do not look at the situation pragmatically.
Prostitution makes me sad mainly because of how the girls are treated, how the get hurt, the rampant disease in the "industry" etc.
Knowing this, and knowing that the girls would be much less likely to be hurt if it was legalized, I would be a hypocrite to NOT want it legalized.

This is a very difficult complex issue. It just leaves me feeling sad. Even if all the practical details were worked out and prostitutes were healthy and safe, I would still be sad for them and wish they had more fulfilling lives.
I can understand that, however, the answer is not making it illegal.
They (quite obviously) STILL do it, they get more hurt, they work in an "industry" that is rife with drugs, murder and abuse.
Legalizing it is what would be best for the girls involved.
Don't forget, also, those that disagree with you and actually ENJOY it.
There are prostitutes that DO think they have fulfilling lives, believe it or not.
You CAN have a fulfilling life, even if you do not have a fulfilling career, by the way.
Realistically, how many people do you know that have fulfilling careers, anyway?

People, including prositutes, find nothing wrong with it and see nothing immoral about it.
Their beliefs differ from yours, and they do not force you to see prostitutes.
You are being blinded by your own prejudices and moral beliefs.

You are being blinded by your own prejudices and moral beliefs.

I can live with that. I am responsible for my own actions at the end of the day.

I can live with that. I am responsible for my own actions at the end of the day.

Exactly! That's the point.

We are not discussing whether or not you think prostitution is right or wrong.
We are discussing a matter of public policy.
The two are two very different things.
By not supporting the legalization of prostitution (regardless of whether you think it is moral) you are complicitly supporting the horrific treatment of the girls in the underground community and the spread of disease.
All because you personally believe in the notion that sex should be about love?
How much love are you displaying in trying to avoid compromising your ideals?

That's the funny thing about ideals. You base your ideals on caring, compassion, love, charity etc., which is all wonderfully noble and good. However, you do not recognize that your actions (in attempting to remian true to your ideals) actually betray your ideals. It's hard for most people to reconcile that. So hard, in fact, they don't bother trying, and would rather close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and shake their heads back and forth while shouting, "It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong." Those people are not taking responsibility for their actions.

I think you are a respectful, honest and forthright person. Please do me a favor. Answer these, but not right away. You don't even have to tell me the answers. Give it some very serious thought.
Are you taking responsibility for your actions?
Do your actions betray your ideals?

Exactly! That's the point.

We are not discussing whether or not you think prostitution is right or wrong.
We are discussing a matter of public policy.
The two are two very different things.
By not supporting the legalization of prostitution (regardless of whether you think it is moral) you are complicitly supporting the horrific treatment of the girls in the underground community and the spread of disease.
All because you personally believe in the notion that sex should be about love?
How much love are you displaying in trying to avoid compromising your ideals?

That's the funny thing about ideals. You base your ideals on caring, compassion, love, charity etc., which is all wonderfully noble and good. However, you do not recognize that your actions (in attempting to remian true to your ideals) actually betray your ideals. It's hard for most people to reconcile that. So hard, in fact, they don't bother trying, and would rather close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and shake their heads back and forth while shouting, "It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong." Those people are not taking responsibility for their actions.

I think you are a respectful, honest and forthright person. Please do me a favor. Answer these, but not right away. You don't even have to tell me the answers. Give it some very serious thought.
Are you taking responsibility for your actions?
Do your actions betray your ideals?


Political laws are proxies defined by group majority of those with like-minded personal moral ideals/beliefs. Now when a minority group falls outside of the proxy 'in place to serve the common good', then we have a conflict of interests and negotiation ought be possible.

There is now growing opinion that the business of prostitution should be regulated and that the prostitutes should contribute to the tax revenue stream. This would then give the prostitutes better protection and do away with much of the underhand criminal elements of the trade. There is a very similiar argument to be made for legalising :m: which I do agree with as a medical user primarily.

The laws of the land should reflect current opinion and if opinion is swinging towards legislation then so be it. If I were to agree to the legislation, then I would want to negotiate that position, as I am having to compromise on the commonly accepted standard of what society should look like, and frankly the tax revenue wouldn't cut it on its own.

If bringing the profession out in the light through legislation meant that prostitutes would have better access to support and care and greater opportunities to do something different, then this would be the sort of negotiation I would be looking for. I would be looking at life terms for pimps who did not declare the revenues from their business as part of the negotiation process. I would target illegal human traffickers and impose much harsher penalties for such activity as prostitutes running from authorities because of their illegal status would never be in a position to have a legitimate business themselves and would undermine the legal process that I have conceeded to.

As a politician I have the opportunity to negotiate. I would make the most of that opportunity.

peace

c20

I never understood why it is illegal.

Selling is legal, yes?

Sex is legal, yes?

Then why is selling sex illegal?

Why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away?

it should be illegal cos the bitches then will be forced to give it away for free/ a meal/ hit off crackpipe/etc

I never understood why it is illegal.

Selling is legal, yes?

Sex is legal, yes?

Then why is selling sex illegal?

Why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away?

Because Christians think that everyone should be subject to their convictions?

Would you be happy for your daughter to take up such a legal occupation?

edit: crap. for some reason I was assuming that you were talking about prostitution.

As long as it is purely for the money (not addiction) and she does it because she wanted to do it and it doesn't bring bad side effects, why would I care? When practising any other profession she'd use her body. By the way, escorts (girls that go with you for the entire day or do specific things with you) in my country earn more than most other 'middle' professions. Who are YOU to tell someone else what to do with her body?

pffftt, I've had men that opposed prostitution buy me dinner, a few drinks, and a movie and felt that entitled them to a little.

I don't believe it's anybody's business who I sleep with, and it doesn't matter if I love them or just use em' for sex. If a women wants to sell her body why not, it is her body.

I don't believe it's anybody's business who I sleep with, and it doesn't matter if I love them or just use em' for sex. If a women wants to sell her body why not, it is her body.

Good for you! I just wish more women had the same/similar attitude about sex and prostitution.

It just seems so odd to me that people can be so damned hippo-critical ...they glorify getting laid and brag to all of their friends. But then seem so horrified by someone paying a prostitute to do exactly what he did (and possibly with the very same woman!).

I think a woman should have the right to sell her body/sex if she wants to ...and, of course, if there's a buyer!

Baron Max

The previous two posts pretty much sum it all up.

- N

c20H25N3o by not surporting leglising prostitution you know the actual offect is to INCREASE not only drug abuse and the chance of the girl\guy getting killed or infected in there work but you are increasing CHILD prositution. If the industry isnt regulated there is no way to stop child prostitution but if you regulate the industry then the industry can start to work with the police and human services to end THAT apaling crime. And make no mestake but prostitution isnt the crime its child abuse we should be prosicuting

Asguard,
Why is your avatar yoda rather than an asguard?

c20H25N3o by not surporting leglising prostitution you know the actual offect is to INCREASE not only drug abuse and the chance of the girl\guy getting killed or infected in there work but you are increasing CHILD prositution. If the industry isnt regulated there is no way to stop child prostitution but if you regulate the industry then the industry can start to work with the police and human services to end THAT apaling crime. And make no mestake but prostitution isnt the crime its child abuse we should be prosicuting

Perhaps you didn't see the dialogue between one_raven and I ...

If bringing the profession out in the light through legislation meant that prostitutes would have better access to support and care and greater opportunities to do something different, then this would be the sort of negotiation I would be looking for. I would be looking at life terms for pimps who did not declare the revenues from their business as part of the negotiation process. I would target illegal human traffickers and impose much harsher penalties for such activity, as prostitutes running from authorities because of their illegal status would never be in a position to have a legitimate business themselves and would undermine the legal process that I have conceeded to.

As a politician I have the opportunity to negotiate. I would make the most of that opportunity.


c20

c20H25N3o by not surporting leglising prostitution you know the actual offect is to INCREASE not only drug abuse and the chance of the girl\guy getting killed or infected in there work but you are increasing CHILD prositution. If the industry isnt regulated there is no way to stop child prostitution but if you regulate the industry then the industry can start to work with the police and human services to end THAT apaling crime. And make no mestake but prostitution isnt the crime its child abuse we should be prosicuting

Those are two separate and distinct issues! One "crime" leading to another is just a "slippery slope" argument that does nothing but cloud the orginal issue or discussion. Child abuse is ALREADY against the law and it's ALREADY being prosecuted with every enforcement tool available (and we could get more of it except for some of the bullshit laws that are designed to protect the criminals!!!!).

All ye're doing is trying to appeal to the emotions against child abuse ..which is ALREADY viewed AND prosecuted as a horrible crime.

And how, exactly, do you think that prostitution will increase drug abuse?? How in hell are those two issues REALLY related?

Baron Max

His point is that if the entire culture is underground, which it is, then it can't be regulated and monitored, which it isn't, which would lead to rampant crime in the "industry", which there is.
If your pimp beats you up, who do you go to? Do you go to the police who will arrest you for whoring?
The reality of the situation is that the vast majority of hookers are under age (hence the child abuse reference) but if it were legal and regulated that would not be the case (look at Nevada, if you doubt that).
legalizing something beings it into open view, allows legal recourse for abuses and allows for laws and regulations to surround it.

you missunderstand baron. Say it was legle but all prositutes had to get a licence from the goverment and in return the goverment helped protect them and forced them to pay tax ect ect like any other industry. The police could then just stop any of these sex workers and ask for there licence or whatever but it might then make it more easy to identify child prostitutes so they can be cared for by the state and improve there living conditions as well. Also because they would now be comiting no crime themselves the sex workers would be more likly to help the police and human services find child prositutes and prosicute those comiting the crimes against them

If your pimp beats you up, who do you go to? Do you go to the police who will arrest you for whoring?

That's NOT true! The two issues are NOT related in the eyes of the law. If a prostitute brings up charges against her pimp, the cops would be MORE than happy to arrest the scumbag! The prostitute is scared of retaliation from the pimp is the reason she won't testify!!

The reality of the situation is that the vast majority of hookers are under age...

That is absolutely NOT TRUE!! Where did you get those "facts"??? Please provide subtantiating info to support that claim/accusation!

legalizing something beings it into open view, allows legal recourse for abuses and allows for laws and regulations to surround it.

Again, ye're making the connections between differing laws and regulations. That's simply a falsehood and an unfounded accusation attempting to appeal to the emotions rather than to logic.

Baron Max

OK Max.

do you honestly think a rape victiom who is a homeless crack adict is going to get the same treatment as say the mayors daughter? It SHOULD be that way but unfortunatly i doubt it is. Same with sex workers (thats what they are called here where it IS legal)

you missunderstand baron. ........

No, I didn't misunderstand! What ye're seeking is a fuckin' GOVERNMENT-OPERATED house of prostitution!! Ye're expecting, no, ye're actually advocating that the government hire cops to monitor the damned prostitutes and "stamp their foreheads" with USDA CHOICE labels or something!

Damn!!! People are always expecting/wanting/advocating that the fuckin' government officials intervene in every-goddamned-thing, then when they do, y'all want to do nothing but condemn the actions of the government!!

Say it was legle but all prositutes had to get a licence from the goverment .....

So ye're suggesting that the government issue a liscense to fuck???? Surely you can't be serious?!

...in return the goverment helped protect them and forced them to pay tax ect ect like any other industry.

So now you want more and more government involved in our everyday lives?? ...even fucking? And I'm guessing that ye're one of those who screams at the government at every chance you get for "wrong-doing"? And you still want the government involved in deciding when and where two consenting adults fuck? ...and what "tip" the man wants to leave her?

Baron Max

do you honestly think a rape victiom who is a homeless crack adict is going to get the same treatment as say the mayors daughter? It SHOULD be that way but unfortunatly i doubt it is.

Well, just how do you think legalizing prostitution is going to change that??? Shit, you have a lot of your wires crossed in this discussion and they're causing you to see/think things that just have no bearing on the issue. And that's what I mean by "appealing to the emotions".

Baron Max

OK Max.

Thank you. I knew that if someone pointed it out, you'd see the light.

Baron Max

no im not asking anything more than the goverment does in every other industry. In hospitality it issues liquor licences, gaming licences and food safty licences. When you talk food safty it requires that all people be trained in food safty and that the premise can be inspected to make sure a high level of hygene is enforced. With liquor they require that the public and staff be protected by crowd control if nessary. All im EXPECTING from them is the same here, Regualar health checks, that they use safe working practices, that they are protected by there employer. its called workcover.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE!! Where did you get those "facts"??? Please provide subtantiating info to support that claim/accusation!

It is true.
I know countless girls under 16 (the age of consent in Australia) that are prostitutes.
Just because the prostitutes you go to are old enough doesn't mean the rest are.

Even if we legalized prostitution, we'd have child trafficking, pornography, and prostitution. While the two are related they are two entirely different crimes.

it would go some way towards STOPING it. Dont you think its odd that if you legalise drugs that drug related crime goes down?

the same happens when you legalise prositution and you get all the other benifits. I am by no means saying that if prostitution is legal there will be no child abused but it will help police to get to the REAL crime and also improve the health and safty of the sex workers AND there clients at the same time. Sounds like a win win to me

It is true. I know countless girls under 16 (the age of consent in Australia) that are prostitutes.

Well, if you know those few out of the millions, then it must be true. Good logical argument. Thank you.

Just because the prostitutes you go to are old enough doesn't mean the rest are.

If you can't adequately attack the actual argument, then attack your opponent personally and make unfound accusations against him personally. That's good, Nysse, good technique.

Baron Max

it would go some way towards STOPING it. Dont you think its odd that if you legalise drugs that drug related crime goes down?

the same happens when you legalise prositution and you get all the other benifits. I am by no means saying that if prostitution is legal there will be no child abused but it will help police to get to the REAL crime and also improve the health and safty of the sex workers AND there clients at the same time. Sounds like a win win to me


I agree

Yeah!! Let's get the goverment more and more involved in our lives! Surely we don't have enough government officials staring over our shoulders! We need more officials to guide us and protect us ......even with who we want to fuck! Yeah, that's surely a good approach to most anything we do.

Oh, and it also gives us someone to blame if anything goes wrong, huh?

Baron Max

Max, I'm a lil' confused on your last point?

baron the goverment ALREADY interfears in this because its illegal, but ill bite. This isnt the US, here workers have rights and so do coustimers. They have the right to have a safe working enviroment, they have the right to get a product that wont kill them (or come back 20 years later for that matter). The US might say thats interfearing but we think that is why we PAY tax so that we can have those protections. If you think making it illegal is not interfearing go right ahead

Well, if you know those few out of the millions, then it must be true.

Well, where is your proof that the majority are over age, then?

That's good, Nysse, good technique.

Thanks, I thought so too.

...they have the right to get a product that wont kill them...

I don't know, but I've heard that the incubation time for, say, HIV is up to something like 3 weeks .....so will the government hold that prostitute in some kind of jail/quarantine after each and every "job"? And if they don't, then how can they guarantee that she's free of diseases and that she can't give it to the next customer?

Ye're putting much too much trust and faith in "government workers"!

The US might say thats interfearing but we think that is why we PAY tax so that we can have those protections.

How does your govenrment guarantee that the prostitutes do not have HIV infections that are still dormant(or haven't shown up yet)? Aren't you putting too much trust and faith in "government workers"? From what little I know about you, that does not sound like you talking!

Baron Max

I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory STD screening for licensed prostitutes. Truthfully, the better brothels or pimps already require it. Nothing would put a brothel out of business quicker than giving everyone STD's. And of course, some STD's are going to go undetected.

Max,
You accuse me of being untruthful and claim what I say is a lie.
Does that mean I can safely assume that you have read statistics pertaining to this, or are you just being blatantly hypocritical?
I have read studies and seen countless statistics backing up what I have said.
Here is two quick refernces for you (of the countless studies done).

http://www.icasa.org/uploads/prostitution.pdf
http://www1.umn.edu/aurora/sexindustrystats.pdf

I don't care to discuss things with people who are willing to be openly dishonest in an attempt to win an argument by any means necessary.
Please at least try and be honest in your debates.

Legalization involves regularization, which is not something we want for whores.

Besides, it sends a message to teenagers that it's ok to be a prostitute. That's not good. I am a liberal and an atheist, but I still believe in the purity and integrity of love.

Besides, I don't think any women (most prostitutes are females, I assume) WANT to be prostitutes. The profession makes it impossible to live a regular life. The great majority of prostitutes get into it for necessity, which is caused by problems in the system.

We should remediate problems in the system by making it easier or otherwise more acceptable for citizens to suffer.

and those who DO want to do it? Its there body not yours, we should be alowing everything that doesnt cause harm to a non concenting adult and by legalising it you can help those who DONT want to do it get out. As for the teens its ALSO there choice, i dont want to clean toilets but i wouldnt tell someone else they cant nor would i tell someone what they can and cant do with there own body. THATS whats imoral

=gukarma

Besides, it sends a message to teenagers that it's ok to be a prostitute. That's not good. I am a liberal and an atheist, but I still believe in the purity and integrity of love.

However, there are lots of people, myself included, that think sex is natural and beautiful. One of my favorite quotes


Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love.
Butch Hancock

And while I admit, it's a stretch to call prostitution sex, it's equally wrong to argue that prostitution is wrong because you like to be in love before you have sex.

]=gukarma
Besides, I don't think any women (most prostitutes are females, I assume) WANT to be prostitutes. The profession makes it impossible to live a regular life. The great majority of prostitutes get into it for necessity, which is caused by problems in the system.

There are more male prostitutes than you think, but the lack of an education and alternative opportunity have more to do with making it difficult for some prostitutes to change careers.

Though, you'd be surprised at the number of girls that turn to prostitution as a supplemental income or a primary source of income while attending college.

Max, You accuse me of being untruthful and claim what I say is a lie.

One_Raven, you said that "...the vast majority" of prostitutes are underage. Neither of your links proved that and, I daresay, that you couldn't even find a link with that info in it. Just think a bit about what you said ......"The vast majority of prostitutes are underage." You made the accusation, it's your place to prove it.

As to the personal attacks, I really don't think they're necessary, do you?

Baron Max

I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory STD screening for licensed prostitutes. .... And of course, some STD's are going to go undetected.

Well, think about it .....how long is it before any of the STDs actually show up in a test from the time of intercourse? And is the prostitute to be held in some kind of quarantine until that time period is over and the tests are actually valid?

And if not, and she's permitted (by the authorities) to continue to have sex, then how can the authorities gaurantee that the girl is disease-free? I.e., if they actually can't protect the customers, then why should they even be involved in the situation?

Prostitution should NOT be legalized, it just should be DE-criminalized. A woman, any woman, should be free to fuck anyone she wants, any time she wants.

Baron Max

I think that prostitution is business like any other business (models, dancers, etc) so it should be a legal profession with state benefits, appropriate health insurance, etc.

They could even be entitled to teach sex education at schools after retire. :m:

I think that prostitution is business like any other business (models, dancers, etc) so it should be a legal profession with state benefits, appropriate health insurance, etc.

Well, perhaps we could do it like we do engineers and architects? They have to pass certain tests of the state before they're permitted to practice engineering or architecture.

As to the appropriate state benefits and health insurance, there ain't none! An engineer or architect in private practice has to provide his own insurance and state benefits are not much, if anything. I.e., in private practice, you can't apply for unemployment benefits ...because you were NOT employed, you were in private practice.

So, sure ....prostitution could be just like that. The woman has to show in state tests that she can give good blowjobs and fuck pretty good. Once that's done, she gets a little card that says she's permitted to practice prostitution in the state. Yeah, I'll go along with that.

Baron Max

Brothels employ.

Brothels employ.

So ye're going to FORCE the women to work in brothels???? Why can't they work out of their homes or have their own "offices" where they work? Geez, they don't even force architects to work in someone else's office, for god's sake! ...LOL!

Now, it seems, ye're just trying to make this prostitution thing a "fuckin' meat market", huh? And are you gonna' have the USDA CHOICE marks stamped on their ass, too? ...LOL!

Baron Max

No, they could choose whatever they want with the advantage that if working in a brothel you get employment benefits. Why such a slippery slope attitude? I didn't mention anything about forcing.

It's a market as it is, with its' customer base, etc,
maybe I should write a course paper on this, design a Prostitution Law for Latvia,
could be fun and interesting. Thanks!

Well, think about it .....how long is it before any of the STDs actually show up in a test from the time of intercourse? And is the prostitute to be held in some kind of quarantine until that time period is over and the tests are actually valid?

And if not, and she's permitted (by the authorities) to continue to have sex, then how can the authorities gaurantee that the girl is disease-free? I.e., if they actually can't protect the customers, then why should they even be involved in the situation?

Prostitution should NOT be legalized, it just should be DE-criminalized. A woman, any woman, should be free to fuck anyone she wants, any time she wants.

Baron Max

Having someone tested for STD's once a month is a far cry from placing them in a quarantine. And yes of course, there is no guarantee, but when is there?

Granted, there is a risk for those who use the services of a prostitute. The difference, if they are properly licensed and regularly tested, they are actually much safer than the "dates" people tend to pick up in single's bars. I would hope that either way you'd be using safe sex, though it's something else a regulated prostitute would require.

also providing things like the morning after pill at there workplace if needed and stuff to treat crabs. Plusmaking sure they dont work when they are ill with cirtan deseases (NOT just STD's) like conjuntivitis and tolinsilitiis

Max,
What personal attacks?
You said that what I said "is absolutely NOT TRUE!!".
That means one of two things.
Either you have seen statistics and reports that claim otherwise, of you are being a dishonest hypocrite. It HAS to be one or the other.
Just about every report that has come out in the past twenty years or so state that 75 - 80% (or more) of prostitutes start at age 14 or lower.
You know I was addressing your statement Those are two separate and distinct issues! One "crime" leading to another is just a "slippery slope" argument that does nothing but cloud the orginal issue or discussion. directly, and attempting to educate you on why people being up child abuse in relation to prostitution.
The point was obviously that the two ARE intimately related, because more than 80% of all prostitues started as CHILD (many of them as young as 10 or 11).
If you want to get into the pedantic argument of how many people who are actively practicing this day are underage, be my guest, but you won't drag me into it.
It does not affect the point I was making at all, it simply obfuscates the real issue.
What IS the real issue, the staggering number of child prostitutes mean that prostitution and child abuse are two intrinsically intertwined issues.

It it quite clear to me (as a result of this discussion and many others) that you care less about truth and open discussion than you do about simply pushing your point of view across. I don't care for discussing things with people who will resort to dishonest tactics, bullying and blatant justification as a means to "win" a debate. I prefer open, honest discussion. I come here to discuss issues, possibly teach others and certainly learn from others. We seem to have different goals, therefore continuing this would be pointless.
Have a good day.

Max, What personal attacks? You said that what I said "is absolutely NOT TRUE!!".

One_Raven, you said that the "vast majority" of prostitutes were underage. The links you provided did not support that statement. Your statement about prostitutes "starting at age 14 or lower", which appears to be supported, still does NOT mean that the "vast majority" of prostitutes are underage. You made the statement, I asked for evidence .....and you still haven't provided it.

It's difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who makes such statements as fact, yet has nothing to back it up. What are we to do? ...simply accept anything that you or anyone else posts?

Baron Max

Max is too kind. An example:


Average age of recruitment into prostitution has been cited as 14 years

Giobbe, Evelina. 1992. “Juvenile Prostitution: Profile of Recruitment”. In Child Trauma I: Issues and Research. Garland Publishing. p. 117.

I'm unable to draw any type of conclusion from that statement. Nor do I know the size of the study or what nationality. In parts of the world I'd believe that statement but it's a stretch to conclude it's worldwide.

I wasn't able to find a review of the book and without more information, it's rhetoric.

However, there are lots of people, myself included, that think sex is natural and beautiful.

Why spoil somethinb beautiful by sharing it with a total stranger for MONEY?

I don't get you.

There are more male prostitutes than you think, but the lack of an education and alternative opportunity have more to do with making it difficult for some prostitutes to change careers.

Yeah, that's what I said.

Though, you'd be surprised at the number of girls that turn to prostitution as a supplemental income or a primary source of income while attending college.

Doesn't make it ok.

Being a prostitute isn't within one's best interest of safety. Many of the people you'd deal with are dangerous and, seriously, how can you have sex with several people a day, several times a day, for a career?

And why do you think your morals or beliefs should be used to mandate laws or control others? Our laws have to go beyond morality and personal beliefs, they just have to, otherwise, we'd have to honor the belief system of everyone.

No, just of the majority. If laws weren't based in contemporary morality, what would they be based on? Made up shit?

A government has the obligation to look out for the best interest of its citizens, that's why people aren't allowed to kill themselves. Prostitution as a means of living certainly isn't within the best interest of anyone. A proper education, and a safe, healthy life style is within the best interest of someone.

There are no legal sanctions for an unsuccesful suicide.

I know countless girls around 16 that are prostitutes.
I'm 15. I'd rather want a prostitute nearer my age than far from it.

Want sheep? mheeeeeeeeeee

No, just of the majority. If laws weren't based in contemporary morality, what would they be based on? Made up shit?

A government has the obligation to look out for the best interest of its citizens, that's why people aren't allowed to kill themselves. Prostitution as a means of living certainly isn't within the best interest of anyone. A proper education, and a safe, healthy life style is within the best interest of someone.

However, isn't that why we have seperation of state and religion? The supreme Court has ruled against the majority several times.

Want sheep? mheeeeeeeeeee
No, you welsh-minded maniac.

There are no legal sanctions for an unsuccesful suicide.

Like the ones for a succesful suicide would even matter. :)


However, isn't that why we have seperation of state and religion? The supreme Court has ruled against the majority several times.

I think the only reason you believe prostitution is great is because you hold that the more freedom the better.

There are no legal sanctions for an unsuccesful suicide.

Yes, there are in the USA! It is, I think, a felony ...which means the person could get a jail sentence AND a fine.

Baron Max

I think the only reason you believe prostitution is great is because you hold that the more freedom the better.

You don't??????

The problem, as I see it, is simple; how far should we be able to go to determine what someone else does? How far should "the majority" go to tell us what to do?

I think that's a pretty complex issue, but ONLY when one begins to examine it closely does it become more and more simple. Take your own perspective: Should others be able to tell YOU what to do? If you can't see that as pretty damned simple, then you got more problems than you need.

Baron Max

I think that's a pretty complex issue, but ONLY when one begins to examine it closely does it become more and more simple. Take your own perspective: Should others be able to tell YOU what to do? If you can't see that as pretty damned simple, then you got more problems than you need.
I couldn't agree more.

I think that's a pretty complex issue, but ONLY when one begins to examine it closely does it become more and more simple. Take your own perspective: Should others be able to tell YOU what to do? If you can't see that as pretty damned simple, then you got more problems than you need.

The immediate answer is obviously no, but the issue does go a little further than you think. The American government was established both to ensure the rights and protect its people. The only reason prostitution would be illegal is because the government might've established that it is not one of the best choices as a career as far as safety goes. I happen to agree with that.

The issue of freedom goes way beyond the juvenile "I do what I want" rap. While I believe I should be the ruler of my own destiny, I understand that there are things that I shouldn't be allowed to do for the wellfare of both myself and my peers.

1.) There are plenty of carrer chices that are more dangerous.
2.) It would be less dangerous if it were legal.
3.) It is the government's job to protect you from your peers and them from you NOT you from yourself. I am an adult, it is the juvenuile who is not held accountable for his/her own actions that needs the adults to dictate how to live.

The only reason prostitution would be illegal is because the government might've established that it is not one of the best choices as a career as far as safety goes.

So now you want the government to decide our career choices, too? What's next, deciding who we should marry? ...how many kids we should have? ...how many guns we're permitted to own?

While I believe I should be the ruler of my own destiny, I understand that there are things that I shouldn't be allowed to do for the wellfare of both myself and my peers.

Can't have both. Ye're either the "ruler of your own destiny" or you ain't! And ye're advocating that you shouldn't be the "ruler of your own destiny". In fact, you've already gone so far as to advocate that the government make decisions on your career choice.

Yes, I realize what you might have intended to say/imply, but as you can see, that compromise does nothing but get you in deeper and deeper .....and takes you further and further FROM being the "ruler of your own destiny".

Baron Max

1.) There are plenty of carrer chices that are more dangerous.

I dunno about that; there's no data to compare.


2.) It would be less dangerous if it were legal.

You're right.


3.) It is the government's job to protect you from your peers and them from you NOT you from yourself. I am an adult, it is the juvenuile who is not held accountable for his/her own actions that needs the adults to dictate how to live.

I'd say the government's job is to look over your general well being. For instance, the government (rightfully) doesn't like it when you do drugs, or try to kill yourself.

So now you want the government to decide our career choices, too? What's next, deciding who we should marry? ...how many kids we should have? ...how many guns we're permitted to own?

Yes. I want the government to tell me and you that we can't be contract killer, drug dealers, and prostitutes.

Can't have both. Ye're either the "ruler of your own destiny" or you ain't! And ye're advocating that you shouldn't be the "ruler of your own destiny". In fact, you've already gone so far as to advocate that the government make decisions on your career choice.

You don't understand how humans work. We make a compromise with our governments for a minimal amount of peace and civilization: we give up some of our freedoms in order to have a decent, liveable society. I can safely say that I am a master of my own destiny, even though I don't have the freedom to be a pimp, crack dealer, murderer, or corrupt politician.

Yes, I realize what you might have intended to say/imply, but as you can see, that compromise does nothing but get you in deeper and deeper .....and takes you further and further FROM being the "ruler of your own destiny".

Deeper and deeper into what? I've meant everything I said, and I find it difficult to believe that you are having trouble understanding the most basic premise of human civilization: some personal freedoms must be given up for the wellfare of humanity.

...I find it difficult to believe that you are having trouble understanding the most basic premise of human civilization: some personal freedoms must be given up for the wellfare of humanity.

Oh, I actually agree with you ...in principle!

The question(s), however, is WHICH freedom(s) we give up AND what "the welfare of humanity" means ....and who is to decide all/any of that. See? It ain't so simple when you analyze it, which you don't seem to be doing. Try playing "Devil's Advocate" with yourself and see how simple it is.

Just take New Orleans, for example; Everyone there knew that they were living below sealevel and if a big storm came, they'd be in trouble, if not wipped out. We've seen what happened with Katrina and what a terrible price they paid for their decision. And yet, the federal government is give billions to rebuild the fuckin' place! Do you want THOSE government people to make all those decisions on "the welfare of humanity"?

We make a compromise with our governments for a minimal amount of peace and civilization:...

Compromise? That means that there is an agreement between the parties involved. When was the last time you heard, for example, of any compromise between pro-lifers and pro-choicers? How 'bout on gun control? How 'bout on gay rights? How 'bout on MJ usage? Compromise? Just who is going to do all of this "compromising"? And when do they start?

Baron Max

gukarma

try the army, navy, airforce, police, astronaut, parishoot tester (ok that one isnt serious), dentist (they have the highest level of suicide of ANY profesion)

I voted for Illegalization. Also what do you all think about the many prostitution rings and human trafficking of Brazilian women????

sorry if has already bee discussed in this thread for i have not read all 5 pages.

that if you legalise it and regulate it things like that could be more easierly identifided and stoped

that if you legalise it and regulate it things like that could be more easierly identifided and stoped

I don't know if that's true, Asguard. For one thing, if there were decent regulations and medical exams, etc, prostitution would be much more costly. Just getting laid would "legally" would cost LOTS more than it would be out "on the street" ....so it's entirely possible that you've done little or nothing to help the situation.

For me, the only way it can work is for the government to stay the hell out of it! DECRIMINALIZE it and let the chips fall where they will. People, at some point, must be responsible for their own actions. Perhaps we, us and the government, are trying too damned hard to keep stupid people from hurting themselves?!

I'm also highly concerned about the inaccuracies of STD tests, in particularly, the HIV test. The virus can be in the body for days/weeks before it shows up on a test. If the government stamps USDA CHOICE WHORE on the woman's butt, is she really and truly "choice"? Or does she have HIV and will pass it on to the customer? And if she can, what's the medical tests supposed to do for the consumer?

Baron Max

its not perfect but really what IS? im not talking about daily testing, im talking about REGULAR testing along with all the other things that come with work place safty (at least they do here) Things like proper security (not the sort of security you get from a pimp), availability of condoms, and other sorts of contriceptives, IMIDIATE access to the morning after pill just incase and more importantly a better relationship with the authoritys so that things like sex slaves and child prositution can be if not eliminated then at least reduced for the good of EVERYONE. It also means you can tax it so that the comunity goes someway towards recouping the costs. Hell you can even put the GST on it (well i dont know what tax system you have there but its the GST here) because its a service.

I know its not the perfect solution but then if you chose to beome or use a pro you have to accept that there is some risk but it will go someway towards raising the standed of living and protecting them and help reduce a HORENDUS crime as well.

I realise in the US that things like medical expences arnt a goverment concern but here they are, we have medicare for normal peoples expences and workcover for when the injury\illness is caused by your work. So here its not a streach to say that these things should be expected from the goverment because they already are in all other industrys

Asguard, ye're from Aussie-land, which is almost a socialist nation ....so it's damned sure not the same as the USA. Here, if the government stamps USDA CHOICE on the whore's butt, she'd better be FREE of all diseases or there will be hell to pay!!

In the US, we blame the government for everything that goes wrong, regardless if they had anything to do with it or not. But, just think, in America, the government can't even "police" the sugar content in kids' breakfast cereal without people screaming SOCIALISM!!

The other thing that bothers me is everyone knows/thinks that the government can't stick it's finger in it's own ass without a long, involved blueprint, yet they always seem to think that the NEXT thing in the news should be regulated by the government. ...the very same one that can't stick it's finger in it's own ass!

Baron Max

here its different. We genrally trust public servents (well until they get the sort of flack that the imigration department is getting and everyone has problems with centerlink) but we dont trust the politisions in charge of them.

Prostitution is a common survival tactic.

We all sell ourselves to our boss or we lease our time and physical/mental energies to others.

Concerning prostitution where penetration makes it one of those subjects people love to talk about, I have to say that often physical penetration is less painful and less degrading than mental penetration.
I would submit that most of us here, on this very forum, are not only whores but total sluts that have have been impregnated by masta because they can't stop wanting to get screwed...to get their fix.
They call the stomach a beer gut. More evidence of their happiness.

Asguard, ye're from Aussie-land, which is almost a socialist nation ....so it's damned sure not the same as the USA. Here, if the government stamps USDA CHOICE on the whore's butt, she'd better be FREE of all diseases or there will be hell to pay!!

The other thing that bothers me is everyone knows/thinks that the government can't stick it's finger in it's own ass without a long, involved blueprint, yet they always seem to think that the NEXT thing in the news should be regulated by the government. ...the very same one that can't stick it's finger in it's own ass!


You don't think there's a problem with a line of work where humans are being checked for diseases, like animals?

You don't think there's a problem with a line of work where humans are being checked for diseases, like animals?

Hmm, ya' mean like doctors and nurses? Hospitals routinely check people for diseases ...much like the veterinarian checks animals at the vet's office. I think para-medics also do some checking for diseases. When you try to give blood for charity, they also check for diseases.

I fail to see just what ye're complaint is. Perhaps you can enlighten me. Especially since all of this "checking" is being done on people who volunteer for the "job".

Baron Max

I run a business.
The law prohibits me from putting up a stall and selling on the street.
I would be fined if I did so.
If I cannot sell apples in the street, why should women be allowed to run a sex business on the street
If they wish to run this in their homes it is one matter, but why should they get preferential treatment and be allowed to sell sex on the street whilst I am not permitted to sell apples.
Liukewise, if their were two stallholders on the street, one sells apples at 5 dollars each, whilst the other offers a blowjob for 5 dollars each, but throws in a free apple, why should the first stallholder be FINED FOR NOT OFFERING SEX in effect.

... It also means you can tax it so that the comunity goes someway towards recouping the costs. Hell you can even put the GST on it (well i dont know what tax system you have there but its the GST here) because its a service.



There are 30 hookers in the UK who have VAT codings (UK equivalent of GST), according to a friend.
More laughably, under European legislation, the UK Inland Revenue were required to send each of them a leaflet explained how 'the tools of their trade were tax deductible'

Personally i just think it is very sad when we sell ourselves to each other.

Me too! I'd be a lot happier have it just given to me! :D

Marriage is prostitution with a ring...
No, less headaches in prostitution.

Really, what harm does it cause? I'd take prostitution over war any day.

the only problem with prostitution is that the demand is higher than the supply at the moment, therefore the prices and profits are high. this means that the a large proportion of those who offer sex are those who need that sort of money(up to $4000 a week) to support drug habits.

if the goverment was to step in and get prostitutes drug tests at the same time they get their STI checks, then they could offer free rehab to these women(and men). therefore giving them a standard of living relative to the large amount of money they earn, instead of having it all thrown away on drugs

Hmm, ya' mean like doctors and nurses? Hospitals routinely check people for diseases ...much like the veterinarian checks animals at the vet's office. I think para-medics also do some checking for diseases. When you try to give blood for charity, they also check for diseases.


A few Ph. D.s would be upset with you comparing them to prostitutes.

Call me old fashioned but I believe sex is deeply entwined with love and you cant buy that.

c20

When a man pays a woman for her time, do not assume it means sex in the sense that you are expecting. Do not asume that love is what you think it is either. There are many professions that give loving care for a price, nurses, shrinks, teachers, nannies, and on and on... Sometimes all a man wants is a tender touch, a hug, an hour of closeness that he can find nowhere else. Sometimes he needs someone to talk to, or laugh with. Sometimes his wife is dying and he has nowhere to cry. Sometimes he is dying and has nowhere to cry. Not everyone has a close, loving friend or family.. but everyone needs that sometimes whether they have it or not.

It takes years for a truly dedicated woman to develop the skills to be able to provide for the needs of her clients, to learn what works and what doesn't, who to accept, and who to turn away. Not every prostitute is a contagious street hooker. Some are fine, intelligent, spirtually advanced women with a great deal to offer, and they deserve to be compensated for the experience they bring to the meeting. The world is a rich, varied wonderland and so allow for some difference is prostitutes.

You cannot buy love, it's true... There are those who offer it for free. But you can buy time with someone. Repeat as needed. ;)

A few Ph. D.s would be upset with you comparing them to prostitutes.

??? Huh??

Baron Max

Sometimes all a man wants is a tender touch, a hug, an hour of closeness that he can find nowhere else. Sometimes he needs someone to talk to, or laugh with.

Then he should buy a dog ....certainly not a woman!! :)

A dog will seldom, if ever, turn against his owner. A woman...? :)

Baron Max

Yeah, but I don't think man-dog sex appeals to any of us, except perhaps you, Freiherr Maximilian.

Yeah, but I don't think man-dog sex appeals to any of us, except perhaps you, Freiherr Maximilian.

Where, in my post, did you read ANYTHING about sex? Re-read my post again, Hap, like usual, you jump to conclusions or attempt to put words in people's mouth that wasn't even there. Read it again, Hap, and this time read it in context to the message I was responding to.

Baron Max

How old are you, Max?

Then he should buy a dog ....certainly not a woman!! :)

Baron Max


One doesn't BUY a Prositute, one pays her for her times, and services.
Buying People is ILLEGAL. I hope you have a dog.
Ayla Z

Perhaps prostitution should not be illegal, but then
the killing of prostitutes shouldn't be illegal either

you know the best thing about dead prostitutes?



they're stackable.

dude, what does killing prostitutes have to do with whether it should be legal or not.

.....
the killing of prostitutes shouldn't be illegal either..

You are joking, right?
Or you made a typo?
Or you never loved a woman?
Or you just hate people?
Or yourself?

Legal to kill prostitutes??!!! he heehheh LOL!!!!

what a nut job.
:p

Perhaps prostitution should not be illegal, but then
the killing of prostitutes shouldn't be illegal either

i love these arguments. I've even heard people say, "well, if gay marriage is legal, why not pedophillia?" These are such rediculous comparisons it would be funny if some people didn't actually listen to that kind of nonsense. It's like saying, if fast-food is legal, why not genocide?"

People only leap to these extremes when they know they've lost the argument.

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wow, and here I thought my last post would end this thread.

it is