It's a poll, it's the poll... nowhere ever has a poll existed like this one. Should we feed those who are overweight, or deny them food in order to save them later in life? Is food the only source of overweight issues? Is Baron Max correct in asserting those who are fat deserve to starve until they're skinny? Is being fat only biological in nature?

I can tell you from experience I never get fat, I eat basically anything I want. I could loose like 20 pounds and be more pleased but for me my body seems to maintain the same weight no matter my food intake. Does this suggest possibly those that are fat have no real solution to it?

Are you fat?

Are you thin?

Tell and let us know your feelings on this matter. I myself think fat people can't really do anything about it, if you starve them they'll eventually die and not get better. Death = no chance to loose the pounds?!

Draw conclusions based on the facts, your personal experiences, etc.

Even a fat man cannot live more than a month without food...

Even a fat man cannot live more than a month without food...

So .....we'll give them a small bowl of soup every 25 days or so. Pretty soon they'll be normal weight.

Baron Max

Should we feed fat people?
I can't remember the last time I fed a fat person.
And I am not being glib (or just glib), there's something strange about this question and the whole topic. I mean even Baron Max having at least some traits of libertarians can't really be suggesting we stop overweight people at the supermarket with roving gangs or certainly not the police.
If the idea is that they are unfairly using resources than bodybuilders would have to be added to the list - making the job a bit harder for the roving gangs. And of course there are people who eat disgustingly large amounts of food who do not put on much weight and many of these do not need to eat so much. We could also enter the whole meat eating issue since the production of meat requires much more arable land use.
So it can't be an issue of 'using too much'.
Is this a health, intervention kind of 'Should' issue?
Then we need to stop many alcohol users, cigarette users, fast food regular users, hell even the people who eat a lot of smoked meats. More roving gangs of do gooders.
Let alone bulimics
We could steal food from overeaters (like most american football players) and force feed anorexics, but even as non-Christian I start thinking about the mote in our own eyes and glass houses and other cliches. I mean what the hell are we talking about here.
I can see where society might want to restrict certain people from making a profit off the self-destruction of others, but in a democracy personal use should not be a crime.

So .....we'll give them a small bowl of soup every 25 days or so. Pretty soon they'll be normal weight.

Baron Max

Since it appears this thread is based on your brilliant idea (I use the term out of sarcasm), how do you propose society stops feeding "fat people"? Why should we refuse to allow fat people access to food? And who determines who is fat or not? How fat does a person have to be before they are denied the right to food? Do we ban them from all stores that sell food? Imprison them like criminals and starve them?


This whole notion is ironic as you propose that everyone should be armed but you think it somehow right to deny people the right to access food.:rolleyes: Talk about warped sense of social responsibility.

This whole notion is ironic as you propose that everyone should be armed but you think it somehow right to deny people the right to access food.:rolleyes: Talk about warped sense of social responsibility.


Maybe only fat people should be armed.

I think imprisoning them like criminals and starving them would work best. The other suggestions don't seem very practical.

I think imprisoning them like criminals and starving them would work best. The other suggestions don't seem very practical.

They already do that, its called jaw wiring.

http://www.drted.com/index.html.bak2/Jaw%20wiring%20Informed%20Cconsent.htm
Of course there are still some quirks left, like informed consent and other BS.

Dr. Ted rocks.

Lock 'em up in a psych-ward style building and feed them only nutritious meals, all the while integrating them in a sporting activity. Soon enough, they will lose the excess pounds and can go on their merry way.

I see obesity as a disease. These people need treatment: just like certain illnesses requiring medication, they need assistance because they lack the willpower to do it on their own. And don't give me this bullshit about their being ok with the lardo appearance.

Yeah, right.

We should feed them to each other.

Should we feed those who are overweight, or deny them food in order to save them later in life?Should "we" deny them food, eh? You really need to get your college applications sent out. Perhaps they will teach you about second-order effects, about the Law of Unintended Consequences. It's usually stated: "You can never do just one thing."

"We," the Great Royal We, have attempted to "deny" drugs to people who want them. Perhaps we've succeeded in some small measure but I doubt it, since my parents who lived through Prohibition assured me that more people started drinking because it was suddenly cool, their way of "sticking it to the Man." But one thing both alcohol prohibition and drug prohibition did was illustrate the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Giant criminal organizations flourished because the government pushed a popular commodity into the black market. In the case of alcohol it was the Mafia, in the case of heroin it's Al Qaeda and the Taliban. (Duh. Where are all the poppies grown?)

Alcohol is something people truly can get along without--even alcohol addicts, although the rest of us always have some around so it's not hard for them to get hold of it. Ditto for heroin, the rest of us don't even use it at all. Now you're suggesting that we might try to keep food addicts from getting food, something we all eat and is sold everywhere? You're joking! It's not like we can shut down all the farms and stop growing food.

Can you imagine the black market that will spring up if millions of fat people are out looking for illegal food??? I wonder what underground criminal organization will become rich and influential over this. Let's see, farmers tend to be from the Bible Belt culture, so I suppose the money from black market food would go to support the Evolution Denialist movement.

More seriously (geeze Sammy I hope you were just joking), how about these guys who weigh 800 pounds and literally can't get out of bed? Who feeds them? These are people who can't just sneak out into the alley and buy Big Macs from some guy named Vinnie the Weasel for ten bucks each. Their wives have to feed them.

Why do they do it?

Because they're stupid.

I'm getting sick and tired of having to bite my tongue when fat/obese people eat what amounts to garbage: we tell people they're retarded for smoking or doing hard drugs, for quitting school and remaining ignorant for the rest of their lives... why not when they're overweight?!

This politically correct society is pissing me off.

We should be allowed to hunt them.

Because they're stupid.

I'm getting sick and tired of having to bite my tongue when fat/obese people eat what amounts to garbage: we tell people they're retarded for smoking or doing hard drugs, for quitting school and remaining ignorant for the rest of their lives... why not when they're overweight?!

That's a good question, really. It's probably because being fat is a more personal problem than smoking. It's an indicator of a problem with the person. It's not so much the same thing with smokers/drug users. It's like an indicator saying "I am such a mess, I can't even keep my body in good efficient working order."

Fat people feed themselves!

Should we feed those who are overweight, or deny them food in order to save them later in life?
we should stuff them with twinkies dipped in syrup, sprinkled with sugar.
when they get too fat we then should slaughter them and feed them to the homeless.

You cannot stop feeding a number of fat people, for the reason that many are fat due to a low metabolism.

Fat people can easily die of starvation, While Still Fat for similar reasons. They can become very weak, as well.
Similarly, other types hyper-digest their fat cells once they're hungry. This can lead to a lot of problems, including making their stomachs feel very sick (which is my problem, and I'm not even fat).

Instead, you should feed fat people. Feed them based on the Paleolithic Diet (google it). It's what I go on occasionally, it's perfect for weight loss and healthy eating. But it requires a lot of money to buy the proper foods (which I do not have, hence why I'm not on it).

You cannot stop feeding a number of fat people, for the reason that many are fat due to a low metabolism.

One doesn't get fat "eating" metabolism!! Their metabolic rate could be astro-fuckin'-nomical, but if they didn't eat so much fuckin' food, then they'd not be fat fuckers.

Why is it that so many fuckin' people make so fuckin' many excuses for so many fuckin' fat fuckin' people?

Baron Max

One doesn't get fat "eating" metabolism!! Their metabolic rate could be astro-fuckin'-nomical, but if they didn't eat so much fuckin' food, then they'd not be fat fuckers.

My grandmother eats less than I do. She's fat because of her low metabolism. Furthermore, I said nothing about eating it.

Similarly, my father is fat because of HIS low metabolism. Both of which happened from past medical experiences, and are not genetic (hence me not being fat).


Why is it that so many fuckin' people make so fuckin' many excuses for so many fuckin' fat fuckin' people?

Baron Max

Oh I don't know...because they're not excuses, and you're too busy using abusive language to realize it?

My grandmother eats less than I do. She's fat because of her low metabolism. Furthermore, I said nothing about eating it.

Similarly, my father is fat because of HIS low metabolism.

So ....where do the calories come from that makes them fat?

Oh I don't know...because they're not excuses, ...

Then explain to me how "metabolism" creates fat from nothing.

Baron Max

So ....where do the calories come from that makes them fat?

Calories do not MAKE you fat by default. In fact, it's a number of things which are stored in fat cells.

I'd also like to add, that I'm ephasizing the fact that numerous fat people I know ate very little their whole lives. Their metabolism is so low, that they do not metabolize these substances quickly (in fact, very slowly). Most of it is stored in fat cells. Regardless of what they try, they'll gain weight.

Even if they eat the normal (or under, in my grandmothers case) amount.


Then explain to me how "metabolism" creates fat from nothing.

Baron Max

Gross misunderstanding of what I'm saying.

Fat is big, we must remove it from humans... if the cells are taken away won't they be unable to gain fat?

Fat is big, we must remove it from humans... if the cells are taken away won't they be unable to gain fat?
Huh? :confused:

...wtf? :bugeye:

I'd also like to add, that I'm ephasizing the fact that numerous fat people I know ate very little their whole lives.

If they ate less, then they'd use up the "fuel" and their bodies wouldn't have anything left to store as fat. Thus, once again, they're fat because they eat too much .....plain and simple.

Their metabolism is so low, that they do not metabolize these substances quickly (in fact, very slowly). Most of it is stored in fat cells.

If they only ate what they needed to burn as "fuel" then they wouldn't have anything left to store as fat. Thus, once again, they're fat because they eat too much ...plain and simple.

Regardless of what they try, they'll gain weight.

So once again, you're implying that their bodies create fat from nothing!! And you know that ain't true! So don't use the bullshit excuse "regardless of what they try,......" because it's just another in a long list of excuses.

Fat people are fat because they eat too much food. There ain't no other reason ....NONE!!

Baron Max

If they ate less, then they'd use up the "fuel" and their bodies wouldn't have anything left to store as fat. Thus, once again, they're fat because they eat too much .....plain and simple.

Incorrect. My dad has tried that before. He did so to the point of becoming deathly ill because his body Would not use the fat cells as needed.


If they only ate what they needed to burn as "fuel" then they wouldn't have anything left to store as fat. Thus, once again, they're fat because they eat too much ...plain and simple.

You are showing gross ignorance of how the body works. Will you please research it? This is getting ridiculous.


So once again, you're implying that their bodies create fat from nothing!! And you know that ain't true! So don't use the bullshit excuse "regardless of what they try,......" because it's just another in a long list of excuses.

...straw-man tactics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Btw, are you trying to convince me, or are you trying to convince yourself?

Incorrect. My dad has tried that before. He did so to the point of becoming deathly ill because his body Would not use the fat cells as needed.

Where'd he get the fat in the first place? Ahh, he was eating more than he used as "fuel", so it was stored. Then he got to be a fat-ass, then got sick because his body was accustommed to eating a lot! Excuses, excuses.

I guess this problem with metabolic rates, etc doesn't affect people in the Third World nations where hunger is rampant. I mean, you never see people in those contries eating almost nothing and gaining fat, do you?

Hmm, more excuses?

Baron Max

Where'd he get the fat in the first place? Ahh, he was eating more than he used as "fuel", so it was stored. Then he got to be a fat-ass, then got sick because his body was accustommed to eating a lot! Excuses, excuses.


Actually, the medication he was on for high blood pressure drastically reduced his metabolism.

He ate the same as he did before. But this time, his body continually stored fat cells. He got fat from that.


I guess this problem with metabolic rates, etc doesn't affect people in the Third World nations where hunger is rampant. I mean, you never see people in those contries eating almost nothing and gaining fat, do you?

Hmm, more excuses?


Ignorance to how the body works. In countries where starvation is rampant, most people have long since adjusted. Their bodies have metabolisms that require very little food, and produce a lot of energy.

Therefore, it balances out. I'd also like to mention that third world nations do not have the same conditions for things as people here. Nor medications or other health problems that effect metabolism.

And if some do, they die. That's why you don't see them.

Uh huh.

An extremely insignificant percentage of people with obvious genetic causes for obesity aside, most people are fat as a result of poor control and diet. This society is made in a way that people always have a scapegoat: it's never their fault.

That's another thing we need to get back: a sense of responsibility.

SoLiDUS: It is not genetics alone that causes it, but also medications that can alter ones metabolic rates.

but yes, a lot of fat people simply wont control how the fuck much they eat. And what they eat.

Fat cells exist because they are bloated normal cells, if you tak'm away will the fat of the person diminish or do they just come back?

ROFL! I get what you're getting at!

Fat cells are produced by excesses of food you eat. They're stored for later use in times when food is not so abundant.

They are not "always there' in the sense that they inflate and become bloated. :/...wikipedia "fat cells"

Fat cells exist because they are bloated normal cells
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

in order to save them later in life?
Only Jesus saves :) Death is natural, survival instinct is rather obstacle for human progress (whatever that word means).

Should we feed those who are overweight?


No! I think fat people should feed themselves!

One doesn't get fat "eating" metabolism!! Their metabolic rate could be astro-fuckin'-nomical, but if they didn't eat so much fuckin' food, then they'd not be fat fuckers.

Why is it that so many fuckin' people make so fuckin' many excuses for so many fuckin' fat fuckin' people?

Baron Max
abso-fucking-lutely!

if you crash land and there is no food, make sure you dont eat the really obese flabby fat people, they will have alot of fat and no good lean meat.

opt to kill and eat the body builder type guys they have the best quality meat.

peace,

Yeah but whos easier to catch?

Fat people gross me out.