Should Star Trek take a break, or should there be another series/movie?


Whitestar

I would not put a time frame on it, but if there is one with good writeing/acting then go for it. the next generation was very well acted and written, thats why the newer ones failed. although, I thought deep space 9 was ok, but I didnt watch it much.

I don't think it needs a break, but that wasn't one of the choices. I think they should have let Enterprise have a full run, I was looking forward to plugging some of the gaps between Capt. Archer's universe and Capt. Kirk's. Like, why have we never seen those adorable Andorians again?

But ok, if jumping backward to a previous generation didn't work (and why not, it certainly did for Star Wars), then it's time to jump ahead again, about a hundred years later than the TNG/DS9/Voyager universe. That will be enough time for some of the more petty political plotlines (like the Romulans) to iron themselves out off screen, while the main ones about the Borg and the wormhole aliens around Bajor can still be festering.

It will also allow some of our favorite characters to still be around, like Data, Odo, and the holographic doctor. They will naturally have slowly aged their appearances to avoid looking just too freaky for the humans they outlive, so it won't be a problem that the actors look irreparably older.

Except for the original series (sorry about that but we can't all agree on everything), the Star Trek shows were some of my all-time best loved tv shows. I would hate to have to wait ten years (or even five) for the next one.

If you want to let something die gracefully and put us out of our misery, let it be Andromeda!

it's time to jump ahead again, about a hundred years later than the TNG/DS9/Voyager universe. That will be enough time for some of the more petty political plotlines (like the Romulans) to iron themselves out off screen, while the main ones about the Borg and the wormhole aliens around Bajor can still be festering.

Yes, the further future is still wide open. I voted for the 5-year break; it would give time for some really new and ground-breaking material to be worked out, perhaps selected from among freelance contributions. We should give Starfleet a whole new envelope, due to the quantum slipstream drive being perfected some years after Voyager brought the technology home; the entire Galaxy would be accessible with that, or even the Magellanic Clouds.

Or why not a 30th-Century series, tying up the continuity nightmare left by the Temporal Cold War - and the various time travellers seen in previous Treks. A series set on the timeship Relativity: Time Trek, anyone?

The Borg have to be contained and controllable. They've been defeated so often now, I can't see them ever destroying humanity. The Romulans have to have some part in it, though perhaps they will have joined the Federation - reunited with the Vulcans, as the culmination of Ambassador Spock's career?

It will also allow some of our favorite characters to still be around, like Data, Odo, and the holographic doctor.

Not Data! He's dead now... though perhaps B4 could have developed sufficiently to take his brother's place?

Except for the original series.... the Star Trek shows were some of my all-time best loved tv shows.

Mine too. I will likely still be re-watching Voyager episodes by the time the first real starships are launched, if I manage to live that long.

the last movie was so crappy it's not funny.

Plus its really hard to put product placement in Star Trek movies so they don't get budget help, so they all suck. Studios not interested anymore.

First Contact was the only good movie of the post Kirk Era.

Let it die.

UNless, that is, the whole 'Roddenberryism' motif can be avoided. For example: when I first heard of the scenario for Voyager, I thought it was going to be an excellent show. What a fantastic opportunity to have characters possess powerful technology and yet be so removed from their idealistic society that they could quite naturally slide back into being ordinary humans, and make off like pirates or something similar. Alas, this did not happen. The whole problem with all the Star Trek shows is this Roddenberry sense that given the right situation we humans will become paragons of virtue. Garbage. Furthermore, it takes all the fun out of Sci-Fi.

Orson Scott Card said it better:
So they've gone and killed Star Trek. And it's about time.

They tried it before, remember. The network flushed William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy down into the great septic tank of broadcast waste, from which no traveler…. No, wait, let's get this right: from which rotting ideas and aging actors return with depressing regularity....
http://www.writerswrite.com/cgi-bin/wwblog.pl?wblog=54051

Sometimes I have to ask myself: Where's the mother fucking Babylon 5 spin-offs? But then I remember that TNT canned Crusade.

Crusade was awful. They should do a spinoff focusing on the telepath crisis, or a ship-based show aboard one of the regular White Stars.

Orson Scott Card said it better:who's he to say anything, as if he was anybody, has he had any good ideas since he started 20-odd years ago? I think not, as if he should talk, 'has been'.

First Contact was the only good movie of the post Kirk Era.it was a combo, good & bad, let me explain.

that "FIRST CONTACT" was with vulcans, that was the best touch,
that they meet this lame alky, warped loser named Zefrem, thump
that explains all the suspicious human-vulcan interactions during ST: Enterprise

that all those loser engineers can't figure that borgs have infiltrated the ship, they had to go exploring alone, no backups, no heads-up to others, they deserved to get assimilated, go riddance

that Data is so cool; that so many are such heroes; that the BQ is so evil, devious; that the 'holo' Doctor makes an appearance, so much fun; that the Lily character gives Picard a taste of Melville, having never read the book

I keep thinking that the Star Trek wonks are going to come up with some dorky plotline like 'the search for Data' like they did with Mr Spock. Or maybe they'll intro some new race into the Star Trek universe (won't be before time) who find Data's head floating around in space. They bring it aboard, touch it in the wrong place, and it starts asking where the hell it is. They give it a location, and Data (who can't or won't tell them his name) says "I can lead you to riches (or whatever his rescuers want) follow my directions', and he takes them to Federation Space. These new folks meet Picard, Stryker et. al. who are trundling around as per usual, straightening up the Universe. During the initial meeting, one of the aliens starts humming "Never Saw the Sun", etc, etc, which Data has been cunningly whistling in his spare time.
"Where did you hear that tune," says Captain P., who is no slouch in the quick pickup department, as we all know. "I learned it from our navigator, Fred the Head," says the alien. "Aha," says Picard. "I'd like to meet Fred, I think I might know him. Lead me to your head."
Cue big reunion scene between Captain P. and noggin of D. :) Happy Happy Joy Joy for everyone. Except probably Data the Nitwit, who has his head taken off and stashed in a closet somewhere, and Data the Rediscovered takes over his body. There you are--complete film outline ine a few sentences. Someone should pay me for my ideas--I should claim this reply as my intellectual property, and get Hollywood to pay me millions. :cool:

Ah, Xylene... you've spoiled it all for us now.

Next we have to start a long-runing discussion thread about how Data's head could have survived that explosion, when he was standing right at the centre of it and there was virtually nothing left of the entire warship afterwards...

If there are new stories then There should be a new series from tonight.

There is no end of fan fiction to draw on, of course... not all of it sufficiently well-plotted or narratively consistent, but new ideas should be there.

There is no end of fan fiction to draw on, of course... not all of it sufficiently well-plotted or narratively consistent, but new ideas should be there.

Sometimes what seems stupid , spawns a new era.

Have you ever tried writing anything of the sort?

Have you ever tried writing anything of the sort?

Not me, but some stupid people in the past said that earth was not flat, some said earth is not the centre of the universe, etc etc.

How about a series set in the really, really remote future, like a million years from now--though that's admittedly not very remote in terms of the universe. On the other hand, you could get people filling the Home Galaxy from rim to rim in a couple of thousand years (population growth rampant) and then going back in time and starting alternative timelines in the past--a British Empire that incorporates Mars, for instance, because they've been given the technology by future travelers.

Thing is, Xylene... how can anyone even conceive of how humanity or other Star Trek races might develop over a MILLION years? It may not be long in cosmological terms, but all of recorded human history to date is an brief interlude by comparison.

Thing is, Xylene... how can anyone even conceive of how humanity or other Star Trek races might develop over a MILLION years? It may not be long in cosmological terms, but all of recorded human history to date is an brief interlude by comparison.

I agree, All those would look less SciFi and more Devine, There has to be some logic which can be argued on as a possibility.

I know, a million years is a bit extreme--even a thousand years into the future would be difficult to write about. Mind you, Isaac Asimov wrote the Foundation trilogy, and set that some 20,000 years in the future, so maybe it's not so difficult after all. The problem is to create a world that's both believable, and not so far-fetched that people can't connect with it. If the reader starts getting lost in detail, or can't find something familiar, it's very difficult for them to continue reading.

It might be that the huge leaps forward which mankind has made in the last 2 centuries or so are atypical; that social and technological development will slow down again once a certain level of stability - and sustainability - have been reached. Perhaps a level corresponding to that of the fictional 24th-Century Federation? After all, the Klingon Empire is much older (they discovered warp drive during what we call the 10th Century AD) and yet humans caught up with them by the 23rd Century.

If Jared Diamond is right in his book 'Collapse', the possibility of a population-collapse later this century is looking pretty good--say by 2050. So it could be that we fall on our faces and pick ourselves up again, and keep doing that ad infinitum. We're not particularly adept at learning the lessons of history, after all. It took Western Europe about 500 years to even begin recovering from the chaos caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire, for instance (though admittedly that was a very long-term cataclysm, taking place over about three centuries).

.... Wasnt Q in SatrTrek Enough for U ?

If Jared Diamond is right in his book 'Collapse', the possibility of a population-collapse later this century is looking pretty good--say by 2050. So it could be that we fall on our faces and pick ourselves up again, and keep doing that ad infinitum.

Wouldn't it be ideal, though, if the Earth's population could be scaled back to (say) half a billion or less, whilst retaining high technology, law and order, the advantages of modern civilisation in general? Then everyone could have a high standard of living without overburdening the biosphere, without depleting natural resources, and without exploiting or harming each other. That would be a perfect human world.

Wouldn't it be ideal, though, if the Earth's population could be scaled back to (say) half a billion or less, whilst retaining high technology, law and order, the advantages of modern civilisation in general? Then everyone could have a high standard of living without overburdening the biosphere, without depleting natural resources, and without exploiting or harming each other. That would be a perfect human world.

That will make us one spot vunerable easy target for aliens, we got to have a solar or galatic defense system.

I would think that, in the event of an alien invasion, the vast majority of the human race would be non-combatant and ineffectual - just helpless bugs to be squashed. The appearance of genocidal extraterrestrials will surely be a greater tragedy the more people there are for them to exterminate.

If we numbered "only" 500 million or so, there'd still be no shortage of military manpower or a workforce - especially given the level of automation is modern industries. In fact, with so many less people to feed and house and look after, the governments of Earth could devote MORE economic and industrial capacity to an all-out war effort if the need arose.

I hope there is another series, but I'd rather wiat 10 years. And hope that its set way in the future. I quite like the idea of a film sparking off the next series, as opposed to the other way around. The film could introduce the "new" characters.

But in the mean time I'm interested in the next film:

On January 7, 2007, J.J. Abrams announced that the script for the movie was complete. He said that, "it will concern Capt. Kirk and Spock as very young men." He also said that it will satisfy "non-Trekkers" and that for those who love Star Trek, "the fix that they get will be very satisfying." He has said that it will begin filming in 2007, with a release date of 2008.

That's not much of a poll...Trek should have a couple good movies left. Another series might be overkill, 'cause "Sam Beckett" as a fleet captain annoyed me in the first place!

Are prequels something of a fad now? Kirk and Spock young? Jeez...we won't get to see much in the way of space battling then...

'cause "Sam Beckett" as a fleet captain annoyed me in the first place!
I liked him, but I was always secretly hoping that he would "leap" out at the end of each Enterprise episode! Oh boy.

we need Enterprise c0ntinuati0n

Roddenberry created a future Earth that kindles hope in all of us. We need that. Please bring it back.

I felt that my hope was betrayed by the future Earth of Andromeda, although humanity itself had survived and the story line was engaging for the first couple of seasons. I never had the foggiest idea what was going on in EFC after the first season or two so I can't judge it.

Babylon Five also presented an optimistic image of mankind's future, although the universe we were about to discover was more frightening than the Borg.

Farscape did a really good job of putting our little out-of-the-way planet into a very humble perspective, but other than that it did not demean us. Stargate follows the hackneyed formula of humans being the cowboys who will save the galaxy from all the bad guys.

I think Dune's future is probably the niftiest overall. I wouldn't mind being a Sardaukar Mentat with a Bene Gesserit mistress. ;)

But in regards to Star Trek:

Five years and then make another DS9-like show with production values on par with, or exceeding, Battlestar: Galactica.

I think that the reason that we haven't seen much of the Andorians is because they do not frequent the places that the Enterprise D frequented, or DS9, and they didn't have one on board the Voyager. They just weren't in the neighborhood. The Andorians were practically next door and all the 24th century settings were far away from Andoria. The Vulcans were only 11 lightyears away.

The poll doesn't offer the choice of starting Star Trek again right away. It should, even though it's hard to see a really new direction to go, and Babylon 5 did offer a different world.

One thing that I like about the spoofs and spoofy types of shows is that they allow things to be different, a sort of sideways move, instead of forcing them into the rut of always reaching higher and farther. Being always on the cutting edge is hard to maintain and there are a lot of things to do inside the frontier.

Star Trek can be done well when writers stick (loosely) to Roddenberry's unrealistic view of human beings. The man was an idealist. His view of future society was idealist as well. We just aren't that peaceful, unselfish, noble, or giving as a race. Don't get me wrong individuals and groups can be, but as a whole race we're the Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, and Ferengi rolled into one.

That TW, is quite true! I'm sure all of us even know at least ONE person that looks and acts like each of the races you listed there. I can think of a 'ferengi' and a 'klingon' right now :)

I think that they should bring back Star Trek in the traditional style, with all new actors / actresses, using all the old names. (Capt. Kirk, Cheif Medical office L. McCoy, Mr. Spock, Scotty, etc.) Reproduce all the old series with these actors / actresses. With the technology we have these dats they could really do some excellent special affects. Has anyone seen the new digitally remastered versions of the old Star Trek on tv. They really did a nice job upgrading the series. I mean, there is a lot of things that were talked about in the original series on board the Enterprise that were just talk. In the original series there were things that were said, but not shown. They could even correct some of the, as a lot of you concider, (slackness of the technology as in the Enterprise's weapons and shielding). I think that if enough time and effort was put into it, they could even surpass the Next Generation's technology. I like the new series Enterprise", but it lacks some details, that they could put into this new series, like the very, very beginning of designing, building, and launching of the first Enterprise and all the advances as man's venture into space began up to present time for the next generation. It could go on forever if written properly. Call it something like "Enterprise, The beginning". What do you think.

I'd rather something set into the future. New people, new stories. I never liked the "going back and retell" the past.

If you want to let something die gracefully and put us out of our misery, let it be Andromeda!

Oh, God, yes: death to Andromeda.

Sorry, Kev.

Geoff

Star Trek can be done well when writers stick (loosely) to Roddenberry's unrealistic view of human beings. The man was an idealist. His view of future society was idealist as well. We just aren't that peaceful, unselfish, noble, or giving as a race. Don't get me wrong individuals and groups can be, but as a whole race we're the Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, and Ferengi rolled into one.

Personally, I'm a Cardassian. Superior demeanour; and I sow up pants.

Oh, God, yes: death to Andromeda.

Sorry, Kev.

Geoff

I can see your point Geoff, but I would still like to see it done. Maybe a scifi special series or something like that. After all of these years of watching Star Trek, I have always wanted to see how those ships were built and any and all of the problems they ran into while building them. You wouldn't happen to know where I could get a deck by deck layout of the Enterprise 1701 would you?

I'd rather something set into the future. New people, new stories. I never liked the "going back and retell" the past.

Correct! This harking back to the past thing is getting old. How about bringing the Iconians around in a movie? A true origin story of the Borg? (something a little better than the Cybermen origin on the Doctor Who 2006 alternate Earth). Anything but rehash!

Definitely a moratoruim on Trek for 5 to six years and let paramount get there head out of Rick Bermans crack.

Cancel this sure to be a bomb of movies to pu an end to a long bombing run of movies

There is a quality to the the Star Trek episodes created by Gene Roddenberry that has not been understood or duplicated. The new episodes have lost what that is, so it doesn't mater if it 5 years or 50. Its amazing that it can look the same but people in the show are completely different. They can never live up to the originals simply because they are not out there for the same reasons. It would also not be so fun to serve as a member of these new crews.

That's true to an extent. They really haven't captured what it was to be Trek in the past.

But

Maybe something new can come from it. But we need good stories and good plots and good actors. That's the old formula. We need something that challenges our understandng..

And there's something else that's needed.

STar Gate used to have it in both series and both series lost it. It's the same thing Voyager used to have and the same thing TOS had along with TNG.

Creativity.. When you have creativity in the series it doesen't matter what part of the series you jump into.

Discovering the Knoxs, Finding a void in space, The crystaline Enitity, Q, Dialing into a blackhole...

You see that's the kind of imagination that the series loses over time because their trying to follow a story line....

Well story lines are for movies. Where we have time to play out the characters and events. But a series is about the charaters an how they react to those events. It requires inspiration and it doesn't need a long story line to accomplish this which in the end confuses new comers and then loses them.

Give us something we can jump right into. Pursue a story line every once in a while but take us back to that world where there really is an adventure around every corner and dozens of enemies to negoiate with or blow away. Make it intresting every week and you'll have the cure for the common sci fi series.

I kinda liked the Enterprise verson. I thought was fine, but I am told it had a high production cost and not enough viewers to feep it afloat.

I kinda liked the Enterprise verson. I thought was fine, but I am told it had a high production cost and not enough viewers to feep it afloat.

I didn't like 2 things to begin with; the intro song (loved the intro scenes)
& the depiction of Vulcans as shown in the series

Maybe something new can come from it. But we need good stories and good plots and good actors. That's the old formula. We need something that challenges our understandng..

And there's something else that's needed.
...
Creativity.. When you have creativity in the series it doesen't matter what part of the series you jump into.
No one can tell me that TOS, TNG had good or mostly good actors or acting, it was more Shakespearean (Shatner, Stewart); it never won a Grammy, Emmy (especially for its special effects, cheesy as they were)

But creativity, that’s another story; it made us dream, it gave us hope for a better future, it had ideas; it was the time of the Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy Assassination
Space race had just started, & we were off to the Moon, technology was just getting ready to jump to the next level, transistors had just been rolled-out in portable radios

The only episode that hit all cylinders (in my opinion) was the pilot “The Cage”, with Pike, No. 1, the doctor, Spock (actors, acting, story, special effects (except for that Hun-looking thing), etc…)

The Cage.......was awesome.

No one can tell me that TOS, TNG had good or mostly good actors or acting, it was more Shakespearean (Shatner, Stewart); it never won a Grammy, Emmy (especially for its special effects, cheesy as they were)

But creativity, that’s another story; it made us dream, it gave us hope for a better future, it had ideas; it was the time of the Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy Assassination
Space race had just started, & we were off to the Moon, technology was just getting ready to jump to the next level, transistors had just been rolled-out in portable radios

The only episode that hit all cylinders (in my opinion) was the pilot “The Cage”, with Pike, No. 1, the doctor, Spock (actors, acting, story, special effects (except for that Hun-looking thing), etc…)



When Beverly Crusher and wesley first started off in TNG it was quite arguably the WORSE Unnatural acting I'd ever seen. In other words...Broadway acting.

Trek has alot of "I'm acting because I'm playing myself" kind of acting. Duncan McNeil, Will Wheaton, Armin Shimmerman, Rene Auberjonis,

It's okay cause we like those people and thus like the characters...Terk just found the combo for long range longevity in a series.

My favorit episode of the orignal series was the one with Kirk "dying"

Spocks reaction to see him alive again was priceless.

When Beverly Crusher and wesley first started off in TNG it was quite arguably the WORSE Unnatural acting I'd ever seen. In other words...Broadway acting.I'm not sure what he did back then could be called acting, & her being his mom, well, its a wonder he didn't turn into a serial killer or a seriously deranged geek


My favorit episode of the orignal series was the one with Kirk "dying"

Spocks reaction to see him alive again was priceless.
"Amok time", if I'm not mistaken

Yeah that's the one!

Spock went from logically inhert to emotional and back in record time! It was hilarious...

In fact Jeri Ryan doing her seen as a Klingon and the other time as a ferengi or even the Doctor was some great acting.

we need Enterprise c0ntinuati0n
We need it to continue beyond the galaxy never to return!

How about a series starting from first contact w/ the Vulcans?

YOU mean Enterprise....:barf:

No. I should have been more specific. Start the series from first contact in the 90 years before Enterprise.

Anyway, whatever, it was just a suggestion.

The Star Trek phenomenon is so goddamned huge that someone who gained an interest in it wouldn't even know where to start. It's gotten way too ig; it should take a break to let the curious catch up, and then come back after 5 years. It would earn more money too, as it will have an expanded fanbase desperate for more. x)

Frankly, these days anything to do with fantasy entertainment can't seem to be done low key. Marketing and money machines are fully plugged in and milking the masses of "geeks" willing to put their last dollar of milk money into a HOBBY.

I used to do role-playing games (D&D yes :( , whitewolf, rolemaster(loved rolemaster*sniff*) ), I gave up a couple years ago after attending GENCON. Yea i'm really coming out with my own "geekness" here....anyway...

What happened was I was in the wizards of the coast booth and browsing the lasted books sold to the losers who will buy anything they are pimping. Then we got booted, and I mean bounced(lol by 98lbs Wizards lol), because a huge line formed to pick up pathetic little minis for "axis and allies". WTF?

MORE MORE MORE man u 'mericans love to spend money on tonnes of crap. I just couldn't keep up with my HOBBY. It was like too much WORK. Chill the #@$@ out!

gotten way too ig; it should take a break to let the curious catch up, and then come back after 5 years. It would earn more money too, as it will have an expanded fanbase desperate for more. x)

I think you are right there. Just check out my old thread Whence Next for Star Trek? (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36651) Some of us forumites had new ideas for Trek 2 years ago... there will be more new ideas every year, and eventually Paramount (in their infinite audience-pleasing wisdom) will find one or more idea they approve of.

5/29/2007 2:56 PM
But the next sires will be real life. I my self have engineered about 90% of a “warp engine” which dose not break the laws of physics. There is a mathematical formula which was on the history channel today as a re run. It involves compressing space in front of the ship, and expands space behind the ship, while the ship remains in a stable and nonmoving inside a bubble.

The remaining 10% is a "gravity generator", let me know when a real one is generated, or a "time dilator" these could be used interchangeably. If you happen to invent either let me now A.S.A.H.R.P. ,as soon as human ably reasonably possible.

it will take a while and a lot of $.

Star Trek should never have been made lmao

Star Trek is an amazing show, the best ever to be created by humankind.

You should get out more often.

I want another series/movie RIGHT NOW!!!

I want another series/movie RIGHT NOW!!!

You want to script it?

Do you have an idea? Let us talk.

How about a series set on the timeship Relativity, in the 30th Century?

Nice start. Every experimental time machine or time capsule sent before Relativity disappeared and nobody knows why. Scientist believe that there are mysterious forces in the strange transient space that any time vehicle should go through. And they decided to send a fully equipped ship with experienced crew to find out what is behind this mystery.

What they really should do is take the game Starflight by Binary Systems and make it into a television series. This thing has all the makings of an amazing story, the crystal planet, the aliens, all of it, even old arth.

God I wish they'd remake 1,2,3 and pimp out the games for PS3!