Shell opens first combined hydrogen and gasoline station in North America
10 Nov 2004. General Motors to be first customer at retail site in Washington, D.C.

WASHINGTON, D.C. (Nov. 10, 2004) – Shell Hydrogen (U.S.) opened the first hydrogen dispenser at a retail gasoline station to service a fleet of six fuel cell vehicles from the General Motors Corporation, the companies announced today...


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Interesting, it is about time that this is being made an immediate renewable source to the primal use of petrolium.
There should be made a tax of all usage of fossil fuels that goes towards solving atmosphere effects due to the pollution caused by motor-vehicles all around the world.

There should be made a tax

There is, in the US.

When I get the money, I will own one of these cars. Not because it's healthy for the enviroment, but because it has better gas economy. Thank God for Shell, they'll be making more money off of this in the next 20 years than anyone else.

finally, an american has seen the light, but one gas station??, canada has plans to cover all of calgary with these by 2006

I think it makes much more sense to push toward vegtable oil pumps in gas stations. Deisel engines can run off vegtable oil, which is in great supply, is easy to obtain, and is completely renewable. Actually the diesel engine was first designed to run on peanut oil. Regular diesel engines today can run on a type of refined vegtable oil, and with a conversion kit, they can run on straight vegtable oil.

What's the advantage to vegetable oil? Other than it being renewable I can see no benefit from vegetable oil over gasoline. I can't imagine that it would pollute less and in my town it costs a helluva lot more for veggie oil than it does for gas. Why would someone want vegetable oil over electric?

The H car station is a publicity stunt. So many have criticised Big Oil for not developing H2, this optimistic program of events, that will never be completed, will shut these critics up and make the world think wow, theyre trying all this stuff now.

The plain fact is H2 has significant disadvantages over gasoline, and thats why we dont use it. But those without the science will think 'well, they listened and they did try it.' Its a stunt to change public disapproval into public approval.


Re veg oil, the available supply is a tiny fraction of the quantity that cars use, so supplying SVO (straight veg oil) is not really workable. Each vehicle needs conversion to run on it as well.

What is practical is to convert SVO to biodiesel and mix it into diesel at 2% or more, and this is now done with some diesel supplies.

What is even more practical is to use it for animal feed or to feed poor humans, both of which are already done.


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