ISRAEL must defeat terror before any peace talks with the Palestinians, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said while visiting the injured from a double suicide bombing in Tel Aviv that left 23 dead.

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It's rather a brilliant move by the Palestinians.

"Hey, do you want to talk peace? (psst. you there, go kill 20 or so of them). Yes, it's your election time, isn't it? And the Israeli's tend to vote for the far right when they feel in danger? And the far right means no peace talks and more war for sure? (psst. NOW!)"

No , it's a rather "brilliant" AND stupid move from Sharon, besides Sharon AND Arafat seem both the wrong persons to really want some negotiated peace anyway. Yeh peace through power.

Realistically , with both stubborn sides, I don't see an end to this armwrestling soon, I can imaging that people on both sides must at least be unhappy about the current situation?

We can only hope that leaders with more vision will take their places someday....

"We can only hope that leaders with more vision will take their places someday...."

Unfortunatly, Palestine doesn't seem to want that at all. Making two major suicide attacks immediatly before elections would seem to indicate they want a right-winger back in power in Israel, and not a moderate left.

Screw both of them. Someone drop four or five H bombs and be done with it.

adam THIS is what comes of ur sort of justice
u hit me so i hit u back so u hit me so i hit u so u hit me

and EVERYONE suffers

ask irland

adam THIS is what comes of ur sort of justice
u hit me so i hit u back so u hit me so i hit u so u hit me

and EVERYONE suffers

ask irland

You "peace mongers" really dont understand the situation, now do you?? The Palestinian extremists have made it clear that their aim is to exterminate Jewish people from the region. It's not a matter of whether or not Sharon is willing to accept peace talks.

Walk a mile in the shoes of an Israeli. Maybe then you'd rethink your stance. :rolleyes:

By the way, Sharon is in my opinion the man best suited for the job. The talmud(?) teaches us of a certain "weakneedness" the Jewish people may encouter when this kind of terror strikes Israel. Such a syndrome is very dangerous, and I've seen other Israeli leaders crack under it. Thus far, Sharon has kept his cool and his policy - stating that peace will only happen when the Palestinians come around. Honestly, how'd you like to live next door to someone who'd shake your hand one minute but have your head on a platter just as soon?

The Jews will endure more attacks from the Palestinean freedom fighters until they finally realize that they must end their slave driving and tyrrany.

Originally posted by Asguard
adam THIS is what comes of ur sort of justice
u hit me so i hit u back so u hit me so i hit u so u hit me

and EVERYONE suffers

ask irland

What do you possibly base this mad assumption on?

NEVER try and find a quote in to almost 1000 page books:(

FINALLY found it

(i had the wrong book cause i thought it was belgarath saying it not pols mum)



"all right, polgara, put the tools back where you got them. your not going anywhere" it was mothers voice
"but he murdered my friends mother" i burst out "im not going to let him get away with that"
"i see you are becoming very adapt at following local coustams" she noted, and there was a faint touch of rebuke in her voice.
"whats THAT surpose to mean"
"why did the master send you to Arendia"
"to put a stop to all there foolishness"
"oh now i understand. your going to wallow in that foolishness so you can see what its like. interesting idear. did you take that aproch with your stydys of medicin?"
"thats absurd"
"yes, i know. that's what i have been TRYING to explaine to you. All this brooding about knives and meat hooks and chesse graters is exactly what you were sent to Ariendia to put a stop to. Nerasin murded your friends, so now your going to murder him. Then one of his relitives will murder you. Then your father will murder someone else in his family. Then someone will murder your father. Then uncle beldin will murder him and it will go on and on untill no one even rembers who Asrana and Mandorin were. Thats what blood fewds are all about. congratulations polgara, your an Ariend"
"but i loved them mother"
"its a noble emotion but wading in blood isnt really a good way to express it"


i think that about covers what I was thinking, except to add that the Ariand are the STUPIDIST people in Eddings books (they were modled after the middle age erope when the catholic church ruled), so what does that say about US who continue that behavor?

And how does any of it refer to "my" type of justice?

YOUR the one who said if someone hits you hit them back

that is the EXSTENTION of it

Originally posted by Asguard
YOUR the one who said if someone hits you hit them back

that is the EXSTENTION of it
I think you should re-read what I wrote.

Elbaz, I think i DO understand that some Palestine extremists are not likely to be interested in a peace deal at all, but so seem some Israeli right-wing hawks and if you are not one of them, you better get rid of them cause they screw it for all the others...

Palestinians should get rid of Arafat also, I wouldn"t say that he promotes and finances all the terror attacks< but at least it seems that he is paying these groups some kind of "protection" money< so that they will not kill him.

Anyway Arafat if getting old, Best thing is if he dies a natural cause before the israeli elections and soomebody else than Sharon would get elected.

Elbaz, I think i DO understand that some Palestine extremists are not likely to be interested in a peace deal at all, but so seem some Israeli right-wing hawks and if you are not one of them, you better get rid of them cause they screw it for all the others...

I'm not a "right wing hawk" at all. Saying that, however, goes without mentioning the fact that I might very well agree with them on a few issues. THe notion of a left or right wing is quite disturbing to me. I'm actually what you might consider a "moderate" or an "independent" in that I do what I think is right from an "ecumenical" stance. Hell, if it weren't for those bastards in the French revolution we might not have ever been in this left wing - right wing mess to start with. Though I guess the problem has a deeper origins. Anyways...

As I was saying, I agree with you that not all Israeli's or Palestinians see a future living side by side. THe problem is, such a sentiment is far greater on the Palestinian side if you were to compare the two. Israel has been trying to establish peace since the birth of it's state, while a clear-cut minority(?) of Palestinians had to devoted their lives to hate and criminal activities. In the case of Israel, I see no problem with a strong "right wing" as they serve to cement Israel in its position of 'no surrender'. THey're not spitefully killing Palestinians as the media tends to portray.

Palestinians should get rid of Arafat also, I wouldn"t say that he promotes and finances all the terror attacks< but at least it seems that he is paying these groups some kind of "protection" money< so that they will not kill him.

Yes. Thankyou for bringing this up. I almost fully agree. It's pretty obvious the suicide bombings only help his cause. From a political standpoint, trying to stop such activities would be reckless of him. That's overlooking the shiny little detail, of coarse, that putting his political pride behind the interests of his people might lead to some form of peace...

Anyway Arafat if getting old, Best thing is if he dies a natural cause before the israeli elections and soomebody else than Sharon would get elected.

I don't think it really matters. Arafat doesn't really have an "authority". He's simply a puppet of the terrorists organizations that the people look up to. In my opinion nothing more than a means of justifying terrorism. Something has to be done about the terrorists organizations themselves (before he dies) because the Palestinians would just end up electing somebody more extremists next time around. Idealy, the real Palestinian authority would step up in dealings with Israel. That would mean the world would have no other choice than to see the Palestinian government for what they are. Suddenly the fine points would be much harder to brush under the rug. Wishfull thinking I guess.

-Elbaz

[Israel has been trying to establish peace since the birth of it's state, while a clear-cut minority(?) of Palestinians had to devoted their lives to hate and criminal activities.

Elbaz, do you agree that the problem of Israel settlers occupying Palestinian land is also one of the factors fueling the Israel-Palestine conflict?

Originally posted by Tyler
Making two major suicide attacks immediatly before elections would seem to indicate they want a right-winger back in power in Israel, and not a moderate left.

Yes, the people who carry out such terror attacks are "they", the Palestinians. No, Tylar, they're individual human beings out of about 1 and a half million Palestinians in Palestine, and millions more refugees in Jordan.

So, if an Israeli settler attacks a Palestinian man, it's Israel that attacked, right? And it's OK for Palestinian suicide bombers to relaliate for that by blowing up a McDonalds? :rolleyes:

Double standards...

Originally posted by Adam
Terrorist in Palestinian don’t represent the Palestinian population siege in their own land. Terrorist kill themselves and kill innocents.
The true Palestinian population only has stones to cry their suffering to careless world.

Terrorist have hundreds of way to get at innocent people;
Suicide bombing
Poisoning drinking water
Growth of deadly bacteria and virus (cheap & effective)
Creation of mass-panic.
Explode strategic power sources.
Etc, etc.

Innocent people have only one thing, ….take responsibility on own government actions.

If Bush thinks that by bulling the entire world with his mass mouth and military power, will control or radicalize the terrorist world. We are at a total loss!

What is the obsession with Sharon? some people think he is worse than Hitler, how can someone reach such an extreme conclusion?

What is the obsession with Sharon? some people think he is worse than Hitler, how can someone reach such an extreme conclusion?

What is the obsession with Sharon? some people think he is worse than Hitler, how can someone reach such an extreme conclusion?

can you not post things multipal times

and hitler is DEAD, and sharon is STILL comiting his crimes

I will post things as many times as I wish, happy?

hitler is DEAD, and sharon is STILL comiting his crimes

that is a great argument, then let's compare every live criminal to Hitler. (including Sadam, Putin, Arafat and a bunch of others)

yes lets

sharon, demolishes homes of civilans because he feels like it often with the ocupants inside
kills children (and YES i watched a young father holding his baby son SHOOT by iraily troops in cold blood), gives no rights to the people living on the land they are ocupying, OFFICALLY teaches hatred

seems that he IS hittler

i watched a young father holding his baby son SHOOT by iraily troops in cold blood

Have you been there yourself? in what role? this is pretty strong, so why won't you elaborate more on this? where was it?