If you want to understand Sharon a little better (ummm, why?), here is an article that explains the assassination of the Sheik. The whole last three years in Palestine makes sense if you understand that Sharon wants all the land more than peace.


US Complicity in Israel's Misdeeds

by Charley Reese

The murder of Hamas' spiritual leader, Sheik Yassin, makes perfect sense as long as you understand Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's strategy.

That strategy is to make peace impossible.

For three years, Sharon has done everything to prevent peace. He himself provoked the new uprising, re-invaded the occupied territories, destroyed the Palestinian Authority, forced Yasser Arafat into house arrest and launched an unprecedented, brutal campaign of assassinations, curfews, fences, destruction of property and random killing of Palestinians. The Israelis have killed about 2,700 Palestinians in the past three years, in contrast to about 700 Israelis killed in the same period.

At the same time, Sharon has refused all offers to negotiate, and whenever the Palestinians arranged a cease-fire on their side, Sharon broke it with a provocative raid or assassination. No other rogue state or rogue leader would have been allowed to get away with such behavior, but Israel has the U.S. government in its pocket. That's the answer to the question posed by the French ambassador to Great Britain as to why the world allows "this (expletive deleted) little country to cause the world so much trouble."

Sharon doesn't want peace, because he knows that any peace settlement would involve returning nearly all of the occupied territories to the Palestinians. Israel's goal has always been Palestine without Palestinians. He is greatly afraid that the world will lose patience and impose a settlement on Israel. Hence, his strategy is to make peace impossible so that he can impose unilaterally his own settlement – a settlement, of course, that will condemn the Palestinians to unlivable conditions.

Now, that's all well and good if you ...........more here

http://antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=2197

The whole last three years in Palestine makes sense if you understand that Sharon wants all the land more than peace. I'm a bit confused... What do you mean by Palestine? Last time I checked there is no country called Palestine. As for the rest of your post, it's both sides fault that there is no peace in the land. The arabs won't settle until the Israelis (jews) are out of their territory (middle east) and the Israelis' won't settle until they fence off all the arabs and coddle Jerusalem for themselves.

Palestine always existed and will continue to exist wheather you like it or not, Palestine participate in all world sport affairs, they have their own international telephone code: http://www.everdial.com/countrycodes.asp

Palestine has a seat in the UN, member of all international organizations, so go and get real.

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Laughably slanted article that is a travesty to good reporting.
I don't know about you but if I couldn't get on the bus in the morning without fearing getting blown up by some maniac who thinks he's fighting for a cause but is really just carrying on more persecution of Jews, then I wouldn't just sit back and do nothing.
Sheik was an admitted terrorist and I won't cry because the Israelis sent another terrorist to Hell. Good for them. And does the Arab world want peace? Obviously not because then they would do more than goad the Palestinians to attack the Israelis.

Palestine has a seat in the UN

Yeah -- the folding chair at the back of the room. http://www.sciforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

A semi-official folding chair, at that.

The Palestinians are the Arabs' cannon fodder. Instead of the Arab's funding and participating in massive human works projects in the West Bank and Gaza, they export into the territories sufficient rhetoric, and just enough money, that Palestinians willingly kill themselves, or get killed by the Israelis -- sparing the rest of the Arab world having to associate with either population.

The "Map of Palestine" at the official website of the Palestinian National Authority includes all of Israel.

The PA-sponsored educational system guarantees that innocent children are indoctrinated in the most murderous variety of Islamic extremism -- thereby losing their innocence -- at the earliest possible age.

Hamas is responsible for the brutal and illegal murder of hundreds of innocent Israelis. Yassin was the director of this illegitimate warfare.

Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels -- meaning you and me -- as their sacred duty.

The Palestinians practice child sacrifice, using women, children and ambulances to further their goal of making the middle east jew-free.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." — Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

Jagger, you have been mislead. The strategy is to prevent the total destruction of Israel. These arabs were the aggressors in '67, and were defeated. Now they feel they have a sacred duty to kill jews. To this end they promote the most distorted lies about their situation. In their religion, this is just fine.

The "Map of Palestine" at the official website of the Palestinian National Authority includes all of Israel.

The PA-sponsored educational system guarantees that innocent children are indoctrinated in the most murderous variety of Islamic extremism -- thereby losing their innocence -- at the earliest possible age.

Hamas is responsible for the brutal and illegal murder of hundreds of innocent Israelis. Yassin was the director of this illegitimate warfare.

Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels -- meaning you and me -- as their sacred duty.

The Palestinians practice child sacrifice, using women, children and ambulances to further their goal of making the middle east jew-free.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." — Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

Jagger, you have been mislead. The strategy is to prevent the total destruction of Israel. These arabs were the aggressors in '67, and were defeated. Now they feel they have a sacred duty to kill jews. To this end they promote the most distorted lies about their situation. In their religion, this is just fine.

I don't think I have been mislead. Common sense and reality shows Israel becoming bigger and bigger. Sharon is a killer and a fanatic. He is the current leader of a rouge nation which continues to grab more and more land.

Peace means no more land. So peace is the last thing Sharon wants until he has Greater Israel.

And who will destroy Israel when they have over 200 nukes? Forget the concept of a weak and valient Israel barely surviving. They dominant the Middle East in terms of military power. Unfortunatley demographics, time and injustice are immune to military power.

It's so sad and heartbreaking. I've seen it for myself. My fiance and I went to Jerusalem last summer, and I saw what those Israelis have done to those poor Palestinians with my own eyes.

After touring in Jerusalem for 5 days, we decided to go see the town of Ramallah. On our way there, we had to go through 2 checkpoints. Each with about a hundred people (and it wasnt even rush hour) waiting in line in the hot summer sun, women with babies, and OH MY GOD....A BRIDE AND GROOM!!!! Literally, a bride wating in line in her beautiful white gown and bouquet!!!! Childred were whining, old ladies were sitting on the floor, little boys going around selling packets of gum for about 1/2 shakel (10 cents in US). After waiting in line for 40 minutes in the hot sun, I thought I was going to faint. Finally, about 10 minutes later, the Isreali soldiers (two on each side aiming rifels) asked several questions, checked our passports, and let us pass.

We then get in a cab....and what do you know? 5 minutes later, ANOTHER CHECKPOINT!!! Only this time, a boy (about 10 years old) who was ahead of us in line, gets knocked in the head because he didn't have his papers to get through. The boy is then detained in a chair with his hands and feet tied around it.

When it reached our turn, I asked the soldier why did they have to hit the boy, and give all those people in line a hard time, he just gave me a smirk, and said "You americans stay out of it" and the soldier behind him yelled at me and said, "They will get tired of this and leave Israel."

So now when I hear about a suicide bombing in Israel, I remember the day we went to Ramallah, and what little hardship my fiance and I went through, that the Palestinians go through on a daily basis. I don't justify the killing, but I DONT BLAME THEM!!! I would probably do the same if my family and I were treated like crap by those Isrealis every single day.

Most of that garbage in the news doesn't explain what happens to those Palestinians. It's so cleaned up by the Jews in the media!!! And the sad part is, those checkpoints are the least of their hardships. I've heard about the homes that were torn down, and the cab driver even showed us some of the damage that was done by those Israelis.

That trip really opened my eyes. I hope one day those Palestinians get their land back. God knows they deserve it.

It's so sad and heartbreaking. I've seen it for myself. My fiance and I went to Jerusalem last summer, and I saw what those Israelis have done to those poor Palestinians with my own eyes.

After touring in Jerusalem for 5 days, we decided to go see the town of Ramallah. On our way there, we had to go through 2 checkpoints. Each with about a hundred people (and it wasnt even rush hour) waiting in line in the hot summer sun, women with babies, and OH MY GOD....A BRIDE AND GROOM!!!! Literally, a bride wating in line in her beautiful white gown and bouquet!!!! Childred were whining, old ladies were sitting on the floor, little boys going around selling packets of gum for about 1/2 shakel (10 cents in US). After waiting in line for 40 minutes in the hot sun, I thought I was going to faint. Finally, about 10 minutes later, the Isreali soldiers (two on each side aiming rifels) asked several questions, checked our passports, and let us pass.

We then get in a cab....and what do you know? 5 minutes later, ANOTHER CHECKPOINT!!! Only this time, a boy (about 10 years old) who was ahead of us in line, gets knocked in the head because he didn't have his papers to get through. The boy is then detained in a chair with his hands and feet tied around it.

When it reached our turn, I asked the soldier why did they have to hit the boy, and give all those people in line a hard time, he just gave me a smirk, and said "You americans stay out of it" and the soldier behind him yelled at me and said, "They will get tired of this and leave Israel."

So now when I hear about a suicide bombing in Israel, I remember the day we went to Ramallah, and what little hardship my fiance and I went through, that the Palestinians go through on a daily basis. I don't justify the killing, but I DONT BLAME THEM!!! I would probably do the same if my family and I were treated like crap by those Isrealis every single day.

Most of that garbage in the news doesn't explain what happens to those Palestinians. It's so cleaned up by the Jews in the media!!! And the sad part is, those checkpoints are the least of their hardships. I've heard about the homes that were torn down, and the cab driver even showed us some of the damage that was done by those Israelis.

That trip really opened my eyes. I hope one day those Palestinians get their land back. God knows they deserve it.

And it's probably because of those checkpoints that you didn't get blown up while riding the bus in Jerusalem. What are the Israelis supposed to do? Surrounded by people who literally want to kill them, people who blow themselves up not on military forces but on innocent civilians, and they are supposed to just open up their borders and have no security?
<sarcasm>Now THERE is a bloody good idea</sarcasm>
And where is the oh so innocent Arab world in all this? The answer is strapping explosives to the suicide bombers and yelling "GO GO GO!" Not, say, taking in the Palestinian refugees. The Arabs just want to do what the Nazis wanted to, just for different reasons. The Arabs also realize they can't win in an all out war (Six Day War) so what do they do? Send in people to kill themselves taking out innocents telling them "Allah will reward you."
That's what I think is heartbreaking. Parents who see fit to teach their kids it's better to kill yourself taking out innocents rather than be decent human beings.

What are the Israelis supposed to do? Surrounded by people who literally want to kill them, people who blow themselves up not on military forces but on innocent civilians, and they are supposed to just open up their borders and have no security?

Stop taking more and more land. Stop putting more and more settlers onto land that isn't theirs. How is that for a start?

Boo, hoo, they have to stand in the hot sun at checkpoints. Getting blown up while riding a public bus is pretty uncomfortable, too. As to the ownership of the land, consider these facts:

Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.

The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years.

By the early 19th century — years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement — more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel. The 78 years of nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment of the Jewish State.

Israel's existance is validated by; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

Israel's existence is invalidated by becoming a rouge, vicious nation intent on expansion. Look what happened to the legitamacy of Germany under the leadership of Hitler. Or the legitamacy of Iraq under Saddam.

And of course, we could give America back to the Indians. They have as much history in this country as the Jews in Palestine.

Admit it. Israel has the power. It is taking as much land as it can by using brutal, barbaric, inhuman actions. They have departed from civilized society. It is simple.

oh give me a break. i was just explaining one MINOR thing that those palestinians face every day of their lives. I didnt even get to the bulldozing of homes and illegal settlements. The olive & fig trees that were torn down.

oh my, those poor olive trees
oh my those poor palestinians at the roadblocks

i'd rather have that than exploding buses, pizzerias, and discos
when those stop exploding, roadblocks will disappear, and olive trees can grow again (both literaly and figuratively)

I highly doubt if Sharon himself even claimed to be a man of peace.

:)

Last time I checked it was the Arab world that invaded ISREAL in 1967.......
And Otheadp is right. If TERRORISTS were not blowing up innocent people on Buses then their wouldnt be any Roadblocks. The Palastinian economy is crap and the TERRORISTS want to stay crappy so they can keep getting new recruits. Do you think they want things to work out for the Palastinians? If things were going good then no one would join their psychotic cause! The want the Palastinians to be oppressed!
Jager, stop reading slanted material.

Sharon is a man of peace, aside from being the greatest General in the history of the nation.
but he's also someone who will kill you if you kill an Israeli.

if you check the arab media for caricatures, blood libels, and made up stories about Jewish vampires drinking babies' blood, you'll understand why calling Sharon a man of peace will get Arabs to cry, laugh, or both at the same time

but he is one.

if there's someone to talk to, he'll talk to him

i think 50 years of quarreling have created a chronic lack of trust amongst even the more moderate people, just check the posts above to see how party A thinks about the motives of party B and vice versa.

The word middle-east "peaceprocess" is the most laughable bandaid ever, how can there be a peaceprocess when everything is on fire? What we see is a very cynic policy of palestines making damage and israelis doing damagecontrol in a rude way thinking that peace with arabs would be impossible to attain anyway, so request for higher walls and more checkpoints etc.

Somehow I don't think the palestines allow themselves to be simply forgotten and by the world as the American indians, thanks to globalisation and islam.

And truth be told, if the palestines werent making so much noise, we wouldn't be paying attention, sure many liberals still feel the indian have been mistreated but it's not like they gonna protest with foam at the mouth in washington or give their Suburban house back to some original cherokee chief :D