I was wondering if any one out there has every seen these shadow like people out of the corner of there eye.

please tell me about it.

The presumption of drug use is too obvious to be relevent to this conversation. Therefore, some other anomalous behavior is suspect.

Let's examine the clues. ;)

Spoken like a true expert eh?
What´s with the drug mania G?
Are you a chemist or something?

Shadow creatures, guess one sees them all the time.
I don´t pay much attention to them. Scared me as a kid though :)

Actually, yes. My degree was in Chemistry. That only because the local universities had no degree program in Astronomy. Not to fret. I was Astronomy auto-didactic. That fact saw me through 23 years of teaching Astronomy instead of having to be a chemist employed to make cake frostings or some such.

So, can one see shadow people outside at nighttime or are they a dayime-indoor sort of thing?

Has anyone ever seen shadow animals?

Presumably, some of the shadow people are farmers who grow shadow food. Have shadow people ever been observed to be sitting around a shadow table eating a good meal?

;)

There are fewer Shadow people in the US these days.

I believe strict new immigration laws into the US have forced the Shadow people into hiding. Shadow people are now considerd "undesirable aliens" and must seek refuge underground. If you see any Shadow people, you are to immediately report the sighting to local authorities.

The shooting or maiming of Shadow people is still considered unlawful, but most usually get away with a misdemeamor.

Mr G,
with due regards i thought you were teaching Shakespearean literature,because of pronounced,classic dictional vocabulary of yours.where did you learn such a language?Fluency is the idea.:cool:.great fan of yours in that way.

did you learn that from constant Incessant Bickering?;)



bye!

Has anyone ever seen shadow animals?

Not really, but I received a Shadow puppy for Christmas. Does that count?

Shadow Animals DO exist, oh yes. Hell, they are all over the world.

Guess you can make fun of it if you are as narrow-minded as some people here show.

It seems to me that the more your head is stuck in the scientifical 'world', the less you really see. Open up your dusty minds gentlemen, there is a lot more going on.;)

Shadows are bound to Earth and most of the times they are old. The humans who do see them are more enlightened by heart, if I may say so.

Maybe the day will come for you that you meet a Shadow, then come back and tell me how it scared the hell out of you...:D

If you are still around here, after the 'nice' replies of our skeptical fellow members, than take a look at this. Perhaps you'll find something there. I hope you are not scared away from the Forums by now.

Let us know if you are still around and if there was something of your interest in the following article and website...:cool:

Hey there,

I was curious what people thought of the phenomena regarded as Shadow People. A topic that Art Bell addressed on his show earlier this year and an entity I based a great deal of my new book on: The Secret War: The Heavens Speak of the Battle (written way before they were ever mentioned by Art so it was not written in response to that).

I did a search while putting together my Shadow site recently and found a few websites speaking about them. Most of them seemed to regard them as ghosts on their sites, but in reading the individual stories the people didn't seem to lean that way that they were ghosts, but something darker.

It's been to my experience and knowledge that these beings are
something darker than just a ghost, but I was curious if this is
something that anyone on this list has come across. In being
interested in this sort of thing, some of you may have a distinct way of approaching something and determining if something is indeed a ghost or not. So how would you go about deciphering the difference between a ghost and something else from a researchers point of view or personal view?

I have my own approach of course, but I always like to hear what
others view things of this sort as well. If you are not familiar
with Shadow's please check out my site here to see what I'm speaking of, there's a gallery of different drawings of them and also a links page to other sites that have drawings as well. Just go to:
www.shadows.ufo2u.com (www.shadows.ufo2u.com )

:)

Thank you Banshee.

Chalk up one more belief for Banshee. :)

Is there anything you <i>don't</i> believe in?

I don't believe, I know. Something completely different...:cool:

You're welcome Messor, that you may post long and happy. Let me know if you found something of your interest there.;)

Okay. Name just one shadow person, or just one shadow person viewer, who's also a Mensa member.

What does MENSA has to do with the subject here? Can't you ever stay at the subject Mr G?

There are Shadows from Natives walking around here in America. They have their own passage way's from way, way back. You can see them though.

Guess you have to open up your mind and try a different view...

What does MENSA has to do with the subject here?

Must I explain everything? :( How can you see all the ooga-booga stuff and still miss the obvious?

Can't you ever stay at the subject Mr G?

Subjectivity and me are old adversaries. That's why I always object. It's my nature. So, please be more accepting of those whom you don't understand. Be a role model for us mere mortals. :p

*Must I explain everything?*

Yes...please... :)

*So, please be more accepting of those whom you don't understand. Be a role model for us mere mortals.*

Nope...are you a role model...?;)

How can you see all the ooga-booga stuff and still miss the obvious?

An answer sometimes appears within a question. :D

*An answer sometimes appears within a question. *

A reply sometimes appears to speak for itself...:D

Can we now go back on-topic please? Should be nice. Thank you gentlemen...:)

Bansheesh,

So, can one see shadow people outside at nighttime or are they a dayime-indoor sort of thing? Has anyone ever seen shadow animals? Presumably, some of the shadow people are farmers who grow shadow food. Have shadow people ever been observed to be sitting around a shadow table eating a good meal?

Name just one shadow person, or just one shadow person viewer, who's also a Mensa member.

Were you truly interested in keeping your own thread on topic you already would have provided specific, substantive responses to my several worthy questions. You, having completely avoided directly answering them, play directly to my amply public, amply discounting purpose.

So, for a change, are you up to the direct challenge to your anecdotal authority, or not?

Are you able only to proffer ambiguous, generalized verbosity sufficient to impress the easily confused?

What about the rest of us?

*So, can one see shadow people outside at nighttime or are they a dayime-indoor sort of thing? Has anyone ever seen shadow animals?*

Are you tying to tell me you are asking serious questions here?

Well, you can get a serious answer at the questions which appear a little serious to me.:rolleyes:

Shadows can be seen as well in daytime as in nighttime. Example, the Native passage ways from Natives, spread all over the America's. They just 'walk' through the house and the surroundings, like there is nothing in their way. They go right through walls and doors and so on.

Now I get real serious, so spare me your everlasting sarcastic kind of view. You asked for it. I see them yes. In the house where I live, there are Natives . I can see three of them very clearly, one older man and two younger women. The rest are Shadows of which I can't get a clearer look. These Shadows are very old. It can be that they are here for several centuries. Can't get it totally clear at this point. The Shadows are very peaceful and best is to leave them in peace.

Shadow Animals do exist too yes. I've seen horses and cats at several places I lived in the Netherlands. They are more disturbed than Shadow People seem to be. However, some Shadow People are hostile and play tricks on you. Remember the word Poltergeist? Well, the word is human, the Shadows are not. They do 'attack' in nasty ways if you are acting afraid. These 'Poltergeists' have a violent history, made during their lifetime. You can cast them away by just telling them so in a strong way. They will leave, eventually. It takes some time and stability here.

It is a special experience though and not something to make fun about.

*Presumably, some of the shadow people are farmers who grow shadow food. Have shadow people ever been observed to be sitting around a shadow table eating a good meal?*

I don't go into this, for it is just BS.

*Name just one shadow person, or just one shadow person viewer, who's also a Mensa member.*

Ridiculous remark. I don't go into this either. If you really want serious reply, than don't place this kind of stupid remarks...:cool:

Mysterious showers of stones materialised out of thin air in front of hundreds of amazed witnesses during the three-year reign of the Mayanup Poltergeist in the 1950s. But more than 45 years after the strange phenomena terrorised an Aboriginal family at Boyup Brook, in Western Australia, the mystery remains unsolved.

The case attracted worldwide attention for the Aboriginal Smith family and their white employers, the Hacks, in the conservative shire of Mayanup, at Australia's most southwestern tip. At the time many believed it was a mischievous spirit the Aboriginals called "the Jannick", others proclaimed it an elaborate hoax - but no one could (or can) prove what was behind the physics-defying displays.

Now one of the families central to the drama has attempted to record the mystery before its details are lost to forteans and historiansalike.

The drama began on the night of May 17, 1955, when stones rained down on the Smiths' humble shack. A low, mournful whistle pierced the night air, and the Hacks' dogs - driven half mad by the commotion - broke their chains and ran off into the night. But what happened next defied all the laws of science. Stones materialised out of nowhere to plonk on the rooftop, clatter on the dining room table and appear on the inside of hurricane lamps. A terrified Gilbert Smith ran to alert his employer, who was at first reluctant to believe the wild stories. It was only when Bill Hack saw stones appear from nowhere himself that word got out: something was afoot at Keninup. Thousands were drawn to the farm - researchers, police, onlookers both curious and sceptical.
Bystanders who saw the stones, which materialised everywhere from inside the bed linen to the dining room table, said they were strangely warm to the touch. And they weren't the only objects to be temporarily requisitioned by the strange force: old bottles, potatoes, soap, knives, bones and even a child's doll were seen to be tossed around the home. Luminous hands and strange bobbing lights - sometimes orange, sometimes blue - were often seen in conjunction with the phenomena. These ranged from bicycle lamp to full moon-sized and, on occasion appeared to follow witnesses around. Interestingly, Hack has uncovered mention of strange lights in the area connected to the murder of a young English boy in 1900. Sightings of similar mystery lights were also reported from the area in the late 1970s, though by now they were attributed to UFOs.

The bizarre phenomena was also temporarily transferred to the home of the Smith's Aboriginal friends, the Krakouers, who lived at Doug Hack's (Bill's brother) neighbouring property, Lynford Hill. Stones began to rain down on their camp after they visited the Smiths one evening, causing them to move on. One of the most intriguing parts of this story is that the phenomena followed the Smiths around, continuing to manifest itself until the death of Mr, and then later, Mrs Smith.


No, it is not a scene from the movie 'Poltergeist'.:) Just in case somebody comes up with a 'smart' remark again. Guess the movie-makers have done some research, though that particular movie is typical american. Totally overdue...;)

Poeple in my country also belive there are some 'creatures' wich similar with your description. (But nowday during 'modern' age, many of them lost their believe. Inyway, at small villeges they are still believe)

We call any life form wich 'unusual' (in mystical term) as 'ghost' or 'genie'. But they also belief there many kind of 'ghosts'. They're believe those things since centuries ago.

The 'famous' ones are:
- Tuyul (male/female, kid). this 'ghost' looks like a small kid, bighead, serve his master as thief. Stealing cash from neighborhood. This ghost not so dangerous and can easily defeated.

- Kuntilanak / Sundel Bolong (female, adult). a beautiful, but scarry 'ghost'. (May be looks like Bebelina :D :D). There a rotten holow on her back. They're belived alive to revenge. They seducting her victim before scary them 'till shockly run and piss in the pant.

- Pocongan (vary). this 'ghost' believed as living spirit who has died killed. It just going anywhere to search his killer. It's still wear clothes just like when it burried.

- Glundung pringis (male). rare type. only a head rollings to anywhere.

- Gendruwo (ussually male, old). Similar with your description. Big (about 3 meters / 5 feet) black, and scary. (they believe it was hairy), sometime semi-transparent. They're very powerful. At normal condition they're not mean. But can be very dangerous in certain condition.

There are also many other types i don't remember now. Or without specific name, there are good ones, and evil ones. Sometimes, there 'genie', including 'Gendruwo' (your 'shadowman') work for people with psychic ability to guard his property (such as farm).
Personally i've never seen one of them before. (I've tried to search one, driven by my curiosity, even i was scared to hell. But i can't find it). But those stories are very common here. It is impossible many people who not know to each other lie with the same story.

These things may sounds silly for anyone who dosn't belive. I don't care about it.

Banshee, there is no certain question i want to ask you. But i really... really... like to hear your comment. ;)

But what happened next defied all the laws of science.

Precisely why it should be ignored wholesale by the critical thinking public.

[Q],

Now you should feel free to jump all over Banshee's last post as cut'n'paste plagiarism.

*- Pocongan (vary). this 'ghost' believed as living spirit who has died killed. It just going anywhere to search his killer. It's still wear clothes just like when it burried.*

Yeah, this is a familiar one. I've heard a lot about these Shadows. Not in a particular name, as you mention it. Luckily I've no experiences with them.

I hear voices from Shadows too. Don't have a name for them. It are arguing, crying and whispering voices. All through one another. The language is not known to me. I can't understand what they are saying. Wish I could.

*- Gendruwo (ussually male, old). Similar with your description. Big (about 3 meters / 5 feet) black, and scary. (they believe it was hairy), sometime semi-transparent. They're very powerful. At normal condition they're not mean. But can be very dangerous in certain condition*

There have been sightings in the America's of these creatures. Several people mentioned them even to the police. They tell the story of creatures, looking exactly as you describe them, with wings. The first one seen was at a powerplant where a lot of pigeons used to live. After the appearance of the creature, no pigeon was ever seen back at the powerplant. Can't remember where the powerplant was located right now. I'll look if I can find something about it.

Shadows are bound to a certain place too sometimes, like the Natives I see. They have their passage way right through the house where I live at the moment. They are real peaceful and not disturbing in any way. It is rather special to see them 'walk' by though. Very peculiar.

I know your country has a great knowledge in the Mystical World, so to say. Guess they pay better attention to the unseen than the 'civilised' 'western' world does.

Good information, thank you for that... :cool:

Guess they pay better attention to the unseen than the 'civilised' 'western' world does.

Even the "western" world has its over-abundance of dentritic driftwood.

Review by Ruby Lang (http://www.forteantimes.com/review/mayanup.shtml) of:

The Mystery of the Mayanup Poltergeist
Helen Hack
Hesperian Press, 2000. (PO Box 317, Victoria Park, 6979, Western
Australia, Australia).
Pb, AU$16.50, 92pp,illus
ISBN 0 85905 268 0

Ruby Lang retains the sole copyright © 2001 for this article.

;)

[Q],

Now you should feel free to jump all over Banshee's last post as cut'n'paste plagiarism.

I think you just did. :)

*Review by Ruby Lang of:

The Mystery of the Mayanup Poltergeist
Helen Hack
Hesperian Press, 2000. (PO Box 317, Victoria Park, 6979, Western
Australia, Australia).
Pb, AU$16.50, 92pp,illus
ISBN 0 85905 268 0

Ruby Lang retains the sole copyright © 2001 for this article.*

Thank you for the information. Now I know where to find the whole story.:)

My goodness, what a research. Perhaps you can do some more research and actually add something to the conversation...:cool:

materialising stones>>>>>>>>>>>
a word - teleportation comes in mind. There was done one experiment my well known physics proffesor told of.
also in late 50s one man proclaied tht he could teleport objects(he said stones [coinsidence]) to anywhere out of nowhere. surely he was asked to demonstrate it. So he concentrated and concentrated but nthing happened. But the strange thing was tht after he was bashed away, scientists found tht actually a layer of stone dust was all over the place (it was done in nature).

So maybe (in your case) there opened a door to another dimension or more likely it was some kind of weird teleportation. Maybe done by a human mind.

Moonlight Shadow

The last that ever she saw him,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
He passed on worried and warning,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
Lost in a riddle that Saturday night,
Far away on the other side.
He was caught in the middle of a desperate fight
And she couldn't find how to push through.


The trees that whisper in the evening,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
Sing a song of sorrow and grieving,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
All she saw was a silhouette of a gun,
Far away on the other side.
He was shot six times by a man on the run
And she couldn't find how to push through.


[ Chorus ]

I stay, I pray
See you in heaven far away.
I stay, I pray
See you in heaven one day.


Four a.m. in the morning,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
I watched your vision forming,
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
Stars roll slowly in a silvery night,
Far away on the other side.
Will you come to terms with me this night,
But she couldn't find how to push through.


[ Repeat Chorus ]

Far away on the other side.


Caught in the middle of a hundred and five.
The night was heavy and the air was alive,
But she couldn't find how to push through.


Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
Carried away by a moonlight shadow.
Far away on the other side.
But she couldn't find how to push through.

music and lyrics by Mike Oldfield
sung by Maggie Reilly

P.S. Mike Oldfield is one of my very favourite

Still like it a lot.

Good you reminded me of it. Coincidence does not exist...:)

Coincidence does not exist.

And here, we all thought that you had the same original thoughts as Ruby Lang. :rolleyes:

So, can you offer a logical proof of the non-existence of coincidence, or is it just pure speculation on your part?

"Why, Mr. G.

In your own best interest, kindly limit yourself to less critical thinking processes that don't irritate us by making us look less authoritative than is healthy for your person. ;) "

Boy. Have I heard that before, or what?

Mr. G,

I wouldn't presume to tell you anything since you already seem to know it all.

You are such a bore.

:(

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I feel a coincidence coming on.

Stop fucking up the whole thread with your 'replies'.

Go elsewhere with your cooked-up mind or add something useful to the conversation.

If you cannot stay on the subject, I will remove you from the thread.

Last time I ask you...

Your last 'reply' has been deleted, for exactly the same reason as I gave to G.

You can't stay at the subject.

If the two of you want to continue to chatter, then take it to 'Free Thoughts'...

Better do as she says guys, there is n-thing worse than a pissed-off moderator. well maybe just a pissed off admin;):)

I haven't strolled into the Parapsychology Forum for a while, I think I was concerned with my views conflicting with others.

Anyway, I thought I would drop in and drag this thread back online :D

My perception of Shadows in this form of Spectra, relates to Parallel studies. My interpretation is based on an assumption that for parallels being created in our world (Which I class as a Multiworld Frame if created here)

I suppose you could say that in one world your suppose to be standing, but another there is a chair to sit. This breaks the two worlds apart from one another.

Now while some people in a little room in a university etc might be playing around with very small changes, out "in the Wild" (A term used for when something is not in your control, especially with virii) something might catalyse into a larger puzzle.

For instance the sitting person has a phone call, while the standing one turns off their mobile. This causes an effect that can span the globe slowly. The individual that spoke, might do alot of things differently because they got to speak. They might go to bed early. Which means the get up for work at the right time , while the other misses work.

Which means the people at work have to deal with a shift in the workload which can then alter their daily patterns.

Before you know it, a person does something to save someone on one world that makes the headlines and on the other they don't save them. The worlds suddenly become complexly different from one another.

It's noted that Shadow men can be a person that is see that exists on a parallel but has been shifted within the Multiworlds frame. You might follow the very same path with no changes, but they might not exist in your world, but exist in another. So you perceive them from your view point at that instance (this is most noticable as most of the time, people don't greet each other in the street. Otherwise the occurance would be limited).

It's also noted that the use of Electromagnetic Radiation can be used to try and defer and individual from suffering from Multiworld shock. (namely individuals that are surrounded by Paranormal events, are actually preportionally used for studies in which they should be paid)

This causes an effect that can span the globe slowly.

Isn't that the 'butterfly flapping it's wings causing a hurricane on the other side of the world' ...analogy?

but they might not exist in your world, but exist in another

An agreeable and most likely statement.

It's also noted that the use of Electromagnetic Radiation can be used to try and defer and individual from suffering from Multiworld shock

Do you mean apply electric shock therapy to an individual in order to prevent them from suffering from another inevitable shock?

namely individuals that are surrounded by Paranormal events, are actually preportionally used for studies in which they should be paid

As they should be well paid... Who's not for free enterprise?

When I mentioned Shock (Q) I didn't mean the old barbaric method of trying to fry someones brain into some stable state.
That old method never truly worked, especially when you look at the fact that a shock enduces a chain reaction of a photo-electric efect throughout the brain that results in muscle spasms and could trigger epileptic fits.

I mean that the use of Electromagnetic radiation is to try at sub-atomic levels to "erase" the spiked quanta levels.
That was and is a main concern of a differing quantum entangled overlay, where a crest of a quantum wave might follow it's original perimeters, but because of a multiworlds change their is a spike in it's lull.

(Of course that will probably make little sense, unless you understand what I'm talking about from my perception)

I still await Banshee actually producing, at a minimum, photographic proof of the existence of shadow people.

Will she openly meet my challenge, or will she hide from it as effectively as she purposefully conspires to erase from public view my every protestation of her claims to evidenciary authority?

Where is your evidence, Moderator?

Erasing me is easier than producing the evidence, but of course.

*I still await Banshee actually producing, at a minimum, photographic proof of the existence of shadow people.*

Then you can wait a long time G. A suggestion for you...Go stand in the shadow and take a picture of yourself and while you're busy with that, make a copy for us. I want proof of YOUR existance.

*Will she openly meet my challenge, or will she hide from it as effectively as she purposefully conspires to erase from public view my every protestation of her claims to evidenciary authority?

Where is your evidence, Moderator?

Erasing me is easier than producing the evidence, but of course.*

In case you didn't notice it G, this is the Parapsychology Forum. Evidence is not relevant here. I haven't seen you producing evidence in, for instance, the Science Forum where evidence is relevant.

And you are still off-topic...Goodbye G...

Ample evidence already exists to substantiate that conclusion.

My mission is done here. :)

I'm just joining this conversation and haven't really seen anything else but my favorite paranormal website has a feature on this subject here (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa022502a.htm) .

I've never seen the red eyes though.

Shadows can be seen. Even if it are men or women. I see them 'walking' through the house and 3 of them I can see rather clearly. A man and 2, younger, women. Native people from long ago, who have their passage way here through the house.

Without red eyes. ;)

And there are a lot more humans who can see them...:cool:

Is it possible that some or most of these "people" are actually thought forms left behind? I've only seen one "shadow person" in my life. It was on the night that my cousin died. A friend later explained what thought forms are & it made perfect sense to me that that was actually what it was.

Kaliska, my apologies for the late reply.

Guess you can look at it as thought forms also yes. Then another 'thing' comes up, for there are Shadow Voices as well. They last forever on a certain place, can be heard, not seen.

It is a difficult to give it a name. Perhaps Shadow People comes to mind because some of them are clear and others look more like vague reflections of a human or animal. Like a Shadow. Now you mention thought forms, you can call them Thought People also.

Not every Shadow or Thought form lasts forever. Some of them stay for a little while, others stay forever, as long as Earth will exist.

Did you ever see your cousin again? Or only just after he died? Can you tell some more about it please...?

This is what happened...

I was getting ready to go to bed... I walked in my bedroom and I noticed that something didn't feel quite right. I looked to my left and I saw that there was a little bit of a color difference in the shadows. I looked again & it appeared to be a blob like shape (think ectoplasm from the GhostBusters) just floating in the air. By this time the hair on the back of my neck was standing up & my heart was beating rapidly. It felt 'familiar' but I wasn't sure if it was friendly, or even who it was. So needless to say, I decided to sleep on the couch that night. I called my mom the next day & she reported to me that my cousin had died mysteriously in his sleep the night before. We never found out why he died, and the "thought form" has never returned.

That sounds like a Thought Form yes. Maybe he was 'visible' to you because you were more open at that particular moment. Can imagine you felt very uneasy seeing this.

Did you ever see other Shadow Forms or other 'things', so to say?

Perhaps your cousin came to look for help, because there's never found out why he died. Can be that he didn't realise at first that he died. This is only speculation, for I didn't know your cousin...

Messor:

I was wondering if any one out there has every seen these shadow like people out of the corner of there eye.

Answer:

Yeah but I have never had the time to see what it was... because when I looked that way the shadows were gone... If you want to know what I think I belive it is some sort of reflexion from the sun or something :) Imagination that is... but who knows? It is creepy to think about it...

Couple nights ago before I fell asleep I started to concentrate on darkness of my roof. I looked it sort of eyes crossed and without concentrating anything particular. Then I felt like that darkness started to move towards me. I could feel pressure on my chest. The room was dark but I could still see streamlines of items and some details but when this happend i couldn't see a thing, it went totally dark. I then stopped that concentrating as my heart started to pump really fast.

Then i could see it. It wasn't even in my eyes corner but i actually looked straight at it. I could see my room again. There was shadow that had form of a man moving at the side of my bed. It wasn't moving towards me but just like walking in my room about two meters from me. I couldn't see any details in it. Needless to say I was little afraid. But when about a minute had passed i started again concentrating on darkness. That time again everything went totally black but i stopped it earlier because i wasn't sure if it was wise thing to be done.

Next night I did it again and again I could suddenly see nothing (except black) but this time as it ended all that darkness went away like from left to right so it looked like something black floated over me.

Should I try tonight. I don't feel too scared but if it is just like asking for trouble then i won't do it. I think I feel strong enough to confront it but who knows. I could also feel little pulling in my solar plexus (yes, i practice chakra meditation;) ) the first night after seeing that shadow in man's form. And I can say that it was all so intense that it wasn't just hallucinating or something because i sort of could feel it and it wasn't nightmare because i was awake. Any tips or comments would be welcome! :)

Even though I'm a bit too late I suggest you sleep with a large, heavy branch of a chrappen tree, a rare tree found only in the plains of New Guinea, used worldwide to get rid of those pesky 'shadow-like people.'

Welcome at Sciforums.:) I hope you'll find a lot of joy in posting and discussing subjects in all the Forums.

Shadow People are nothing to be afraid of. Keep in mind that they are Shadows, not living people. So to hear you were looking for them on purpose. Can imagine it frightens you a little at first, it is an interesting phenomenon though. They cannnot harm you in any way, if you don't want it. Poltergeist activity is a different matter.

If you don't want to see them, then just close your mind for it. One thing! Once you opened your mind and actually see them, you (most of the times) keep seeing them. On all different places, not only in your bedroom.

Please, tell some more about it and how you are handling this...:)

If you don't want to see them, then just close your mind for it.

I thought it was the other way round.

Originally posted by [Q]
*I thought it was the other way round.*

Yes, [Q], we know of your troubles understanding it...:bugeye:

Not sure if it was just my imagination, but I think I last night saw two formless shadows over my bed and then I thought that they could help me have lucid dreams. So they went inside my stomach. Then my stomach kept sound like when you are really hungry for couple minutes. Well anyway if they are now inside me I hope they enjoy being there. :) And if they are there they should help me getting some Lucid Dreams! :D

Well gotta see what happens tonight.

And now that I have thought about it little more.. As you seem to know lot about these things then do you think that they would go inside you just to help host and purify themself and in good intentions or are they more like parasites that want to harm you and poison your mind?

If they are misunderstood and wanting to grow towards good then how can you know that? If they are friendly then i guess it would be just good to try to learn more about them and try to have sort of communication (not in words) through symbiosis or just simple acts of understanding. Or maybe they are lending their power (as castaneda says).

Any shadow experts out there? :cool:
Comments?

Or am I just too tired right now as all these strange thoughts are rising in my mind? :) :confused: :)

Well, I've never heard of Shadow People getting actually inside a human body and help them to get Lucid Dreams. You sure you didn't imagine this? It sounds rather odd to me.

If something tries to go inside of you Then Beware! It's not good. And Shadow People can not help you in getting Lucid Dreams. LD's you get by becoming more and more aware of your dream possibilities. And getting control over your dreams.

Can't imagine Castaneda said Shadow People must have the ability to go inside your body. You can communicate with them yes. It's not something you do for fun though. Most Shadow People are bound to a kind of rules, don't know how to describe it in a different way. You don't bother them unnecessarry.

I think you are confusing two different kind of presences here.

Tell me some more please and keep any presence out of your body...!

Yea, I started seeing them when I began to work with meditation and astral projection. Basically, they look like a 3-dimensional shadow. And its not always just out of the corner of my eye, but they always move fast. I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you, since it seems pretty common (one of my friends has the same experience).

I seating on a living room couch in front of my television, my reflection appeared on the television screen that was turned off at that time, the reflection of the television screen was that of a fathom like person seated beside me and leaning towards me. It was dark as a room without any lights, it had no face, it only resembled a fathom.
I was wondering if any one out there has every seen these shadow like people out of the corner of there eye.

please tell me about it.

Have you ever been in a room where you smelled a fart but you're
the only one there? Could this be the handiwork of shadow-person / animal?

Back to the point shall we messor !?

I have seen many shadow people. I believe they are messengers of the light, trying to open the minds of people who have further opened their minds away from "physical proof" of life through science and studies.

The fact that we quite simply put events and phenominal happenings down to the fact is not enough for some people in this universe.
A sperm and an egg meet, and we are quite happy to live with the fact that, that is all there is to it.
Back to the point. If we allow ourselves to explore the possiblities within our conciousness, which by my terms is magic, then we allow ourselves to see all sorts of energies and entities in this vast infinite-ness.
ghost, orbs, ET's and shadow people are highly sophisticated beings that have already passed their physical evolutionary stages that we are currently at.

...in my beliefs ! .... Whats yours ? (and oh yes, I am expecting ridicule from this)

When i remember a dream, the people are filled in with "shadows", kind of like a profile image of someone projected on a wall? Anyways, if i experience deja vu, those shadows are filled in. not exactly what you're talking about i guess, but my two cents.

I have seen many shadow people. I believe they are messengers of the light, trying to open the minds of people who have further opened their minds away from "physical proof" of life through science and studies.

The fact that we quite simply put events and phenominal happenings down to the fact is not enough for some people in this universe.
A sperm and an egg meet, and we are quite happy to live with the fact that, that is all there is to it.
Back to the point. If we allow ourselves to explore the possiblities within our conciousness, which by my terms is magic, then we allow ourselves to see all sorts of energies and entities in this vast infinite-ness.
ghost, orbs, ET's and shadow people are highly sophisticated beings that have already passed their physical evolutionary stages that we are currently at.


TRANSLATION:

I have seen many shadow people. I accept without proof that they are
messangers of photons with a sole purpose of trying to encourage emotional
thinking.

I am incoherent. A sperm and an egg meet and *poof* you have a baby.
Our conciousness is infinite magic and if we explore statistics within that
magic then our optic nerve will begin picking up energies and entities.

After all, the living dead, energy balls, vulcans, and shadow people used
to be physical until physical environmental pressures promoted the survival of
offspring variations that were not physical.

:m: :rolleyes: :m:

yes anything can be ... ive seen weird shit but i was ussually hallucinating ... this one time i took some shrooms and saw shadow like figures ... but they made me feel like they were protecting me and not trying to hurt me ... these shadow ppl u are talking about do they make u feel safe?

i think there was old stuff in the bible it was the book of enoch ... and it was very real ... once demonic and spiritual forces had offspring with living souls on the earth and formed 2 great kings ... forgot there names but they were about 20ft ... maybe its just lord of the rings but im pretty sure its fact ... but i have never physically felt this stuff like i said i was just tripping off a high ... lol

for those doubters who pride themselves on knowing science, and not believing any of this pseudo science crap, answer this question, and I will be very impressed:

You are consious (I think therefore I am, right?). you are made up of a mixture of matter and energy, in 3-D space. What is special about that combination that allows for life?
All living things have slightly different ratios of energy/matter in them, and that level changes over each individual lifetime, indeed on a daily basis.

So we can have consious matter/energy at your ratio, why not consious matter/energy more heavily balanced toward the "Engery" end of the spectrum? Why do we assume that Energy-based life is impossible, when we don't even understand yet why it is that we exist?




On Topic: I have seen a "shadow person" once in my life, and I see shadow animals all the time. However, I don't know how to classify these sorts of things.

Because the occurance of sightings tend to increase dramatically, I tend to chalk them up as "most likely a tired mind finding patterns that aren't really there". I think this is supported by the fact that you can really only see them out of the corner of your eye, or for a breif second. IMO, these things are more likely than not just in our minds.
However, my good friend/next-door neighbor who is very well versed in Souix lore has corroberated my one "Shadow person" event; telling me without prompting that she saw a "thunder spirirt" in her bedroom (the very same night I saw a tall, winged thing standing over me as I was coming out of meditation). Apon hearing her description of a 5-6' tall dark shadow humanoid with hawk-shaped wings, I decided that I'm going to have to keep my mind open.

for those doubters who pride themselves on knowing science, and not believing any of this pseudo science crap, answer this question, and I will be very impressed:


Not sure I fit the bill, but I'll give it a whirl.


You are consious (I think therefore I am, right?).


Correct.


you are made up of a mixture of matter and energy, in 3-D space.


Mostly correct. Matter and energy are really different states of the same
thing. Energy is uncompressed matter and matter is compressed energy:

E=MC^2
M = E/C^2

respectively. One important difference between energy and matter is that
matter can be arranged in incoprhensibly complex ways while energy has
not been observed to share this behavior.

Our universe seems to have far more dimensions than 3 (m-theory shows 11).



What is special about that combination that allows for life?


Good question. I am not sure enough knowledge exists to answer it fully;
however, I would say that at a high level it generates change, complexity,
and adaptation.


All living things have slightly different ratios of energy/matter in them, and that level changes over each individual lifetime, indeed on a daily basis.


Correct. Energy has to be used for mass to produce work.


So we can have consious matter/energy at your ratio, why not consious matter/energy more heavily balanced toward the "Engery" end of the spectrum?


I woud assert that energy lacks the complexity to result in conciousness.
Ex. photons and heat simply don't result in structure. Perhaps undiscovered
forms of energy could result in such compexity, but this is wishful thinking
IMO.


Why do we assume that Energy-based life is impossible, when we don't even understand yet why it is that we exist?


Same reason as above.


On Topic: I have seen a "shadow person" once in my life, and I see shadow animals all the time. However, I don't know how to classify these sorts of things.


Hypnogigic hallucination perhaps?


Because the occurance of sightings tend to increase dramatically, I tend to chalk them up as "most likely a tired mind finding patterns that aren't really there".


I am in full agreement with the second part of that statement.


I think this is supported by the fact that you can really only see them out of the corner of your eye, or for a breif second. IMO, these things are more likely than not just in our minds.


Hypnogigic hallucinations can last many seconds in some cases. When
my brain was exceptionally tired one day, I saw and heard a dog (it
was not a shadow... but looked like a real Yorkie type of dog). Then it
just vanished *poof* no smooth transition. Fortunately I have had enough
hypnogigic hallucinations (usually after first waking up) to be able differentiate
between them and what's really there.


However, my good friend/next-door neighbor who is very well versed in Souix lore has corroberated my one "Shadow person" event; telling me without prompting that she saw a "thunder spirirt" in her bedroom (the very same night I saw a tall, winged thing standing over me as I was coming out of meditation). Apon hearing her description of a 5-6' tall dark shadow humanoid with hawk-shaped wings, I decided that I'm going to have to keep my mind open.

I've seen dragons, demons, spiders (LOTS OF SPIDERS), worms, multi-colored
clouds, light streaks, etc. But they are all generated by my mind, they are
not what's really there. A video camera could be used to validate this if there
is any doubt (ever wonder why this kind of stuff NEVER ends up on camera)?