Sexual Orientation:an invalid concept

The western concept of sexual orientation is an artificial, unnatural and invalid concept that is developed to perpetuate the mechanisms that oppress straight men.

This thread is to discuss how stupid the modern western idea of 'sexual orientation' is. (Well you are free to reason otherwise!).

Of course the biggest reason that sexual orientation is absurd is that men are basically meant to be bisexual (sic), but I'm still proving it. Here we will discuss other absurdities.

 

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Flying refrigerators armed with beam weaponry is an "other" absurdity, if I may speak my mind.

 

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I find your ideas rather interesting, Buddha1.

If sexual orientation is deemed invalid, then what terms do we have left to describe any sort of attraction, let alone differentiate them?

 

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I'm glad we don't have to live with the notions of flying referigerators. Sexual orientation is another matter.

 

Thank you!

If they are indeed invalid, then I'm sure we are not going to miss anything in a world devoid of them.

Let me tell you, it is much better to talk about one's sexual feelings or to express them or to talk about human gender and sexuality without using the notions of sexual orientation and all the baggages, stereotypes and bigotry that they carry.

 

O.K. to see how stupid the idea of 'sexual orientation' is......let's try to understand sexuality.

SEXUALITY IS MULTIFACETED:

Is sexualtiy only about what 'sex' we want to have sex with?

Aren't there other, more important facets of what the west calls sexuality than the sex of the partner? why should it be the only factor that determines people's sexual orientation?

A person's sexuality has several other aspects. A person may be attracted to short people, long people, black people, white people, brown people......and any combination of them......which may keep changing from time to time.

Then again sexualtiy may include on one hand an inclination to fall in love without caring for sex to, on the other hand caring only about sex, with no feelings of bonding. Most may be inbetween.

Some people may strongly prefer monogamous relationships while others may prefer to be wildly promiscuous. Most on the other hand may be somewhere in between.

Why is the outer sex of the person so important in defining our sexual identity? Is it really an important identity for the individual or is actually the society who cares to know so much about what outer-sex people are having sex with.

 

Why is the gender (i.e. masculine or feminine) of the person not given any importance. Only the person's outer sex counts to determinie a person's sexuality?

Is that because the western/ Christian society condemns relations between any two males, and thus the need to isolate them through a system of sexual identity --- and since gender is not important for this suppression, the identity doesn't cater to it either.

But for individuals. Gender of the person they are having sex with matters a lot! In fact more important than the sex of the person. People have definite liking for people of certain genders. E.g. many straight men like feminine women (openly) and masculine gendered men secretly.

 

So, if a black man wants to have sex with a black woman, can we say he is a homosexual? (black wants black)

Or if a white man wants to have sex with a black man, can we say he is a heterosexual? (white wants black)

Why not?

or a short man with a short woman? (homo?)

or an emotional man with a promiscous man? (hetero)

or a Christian man with a Christian woman?

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Does the outer sex of the person that we want to have sex with really tell us much about ourselves that it is made into our basic social identity?

Who decided that the outer sex of our desire is to decide our identity/ position/ status in the society?

Who decided that outer sex of the person we want to have sex with will determine our 'sexual orientation'? And WHY?

 

the only conscious oppression forcing men to be straight are the conservative christians who have an agenda against homosexuality. nobody else really cares what people do in their own homes. there are many conservative parents who would hate to have a gay child, but there are also quite a few who would not care.

there is an unconscious force at work which forces men to be attracted only to women. that force is determined by the structure of the brain and the chemical reactions which take place inside of it.

the norm in the male population is to be attracted to the female gender (this attraction is amplified many times over during the adolescent age when a large amount of hormones are dumped into the body). this is necessary in a sexually reproducing population because if the male were not attracted to the female so much, then birth rates would be very low. higher birth rates are proportional to higher survivability of the species. this shows how the male population has become extremely attracted to the female population (and vice versa, but not quite in the same way). this all shows why there is a major attaction between male and female and why this particular attraction is not present in male-male or female-female relationships. instinct is an extremely strong emotion, which is why there are so few homosexuals.

the male mind is pre-tuned to recognize female features and the observation of these features causes hormones to be released into the body which "turn you on". the very sight of a girl can cause pleasure in the male mind, which is why guys tend to be heterosexual. in the feminine mind, masculine features cause similar hormones to be released. this is also why many masculine gay guys tend to like more feminine features in a male partner and why the feminine gays like more masculine features.

in some cases, the structure of the brain causes a person to have less instinctual desire and more aesthetic desire, or more pleasure desire, or the desire to be with someone of a certain type. whichever it may be might cause that person to be attracted to those of the same gender. the instinct at play here is pleasure, not procreation obviously. so the sex drive is different.

 

Roylenningan please, we are discussing the issue of whether heterosexuality/ homosexualtiy is natural or not in the other threads.

This thread is meant to discuss, how stupid the idea of sexual orientation is, whether or not there is a pressure on men to be heterosexual, and whether or not it is natural.

 

sorry, just that when you make so many threads about the same general thing, its hard to keep track of them all. which thread should i post that reply in so that it is properly analyzed?

on the topic at hand, i'd have to say if you wanted to call the idea of sexual orientation stupid, then you'd have to go ahead and call every label we use in society stupid. and in this i am not mocking you, but agreeing with you. i feel that the labels we use allow us to throw around terms and ideas without really knowing what they are. there is no sexual orientation, but rather there are those who are more driven by their procreation instincts or their pleasure instincts. it is more complex than even that though, as is everything.

to know how to best describe the world around us in terms that others will know, one must do the following;
think and determine one's own detailed definition of the term.
think and determine as best you can the stance of the person you are conversing with in regards to that term.
think and determine how the other person defines that term and use that info to decide how to explain your stance in terms that the other person will best understand.
Let personal bias take backseat to a clear definition.

we've got to remember that words are merely labels for actual things. many times we view words as the things themselves and therefore we make up definitions of them without looking at what they were originally used to define. this is because everyone's definition for every word is different.

its very hard to have a common language such as the one we have without having a large amount of misunderstanding. the idea of sexual orientation and homosexuality are widely misused, especially now with their popularity in current events. more and more people are getting their ideas of sexual orientation from language rather than experience. this is the cause for misunderstanding and 'stupid ideas'.

 

difficult to disagree with any of that!

 

Just how wise is it to discuss something which you deem stupid?



I understand that the connotations and traditional social implications of that which is called "sexual orientation" can be perplexing, but calling it stupid will do nothing to lessen your aggravation.

 

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51990

 

I think you missed my explanation of how and why it is stupid......and i've just started.

Do you really think it is no use exposing something stupid which is promoted as 'scientific' and which starts ruling everybody's life.

 

And Eastern Philosophy is related to this in...?

Can some one help this guy find some other 'topic' area, where ever this crap fit !

 

Oh! so you're the custodian of eastern philosophy? I didn't know that?

Can you define 'philosophy' so that I can be sure that my 'crap' doesn't belong in here?

Or does 'eastern philosophy' only exists for your bloody shit?

 

Very true. But in my own experience, in the experience of my friends and acquaintances, in the experience of huge swathes of the population, that attraction has been for short female people, long female people (I prefer long to tall, since long implies they are horizontal - a useful starting position), black female people, white female people, brown female people. That is the overwhelming common factor. That is why we call it a sexual orientation.

 

In a way you're right,straight men seem to be less choosey in their choice of females than they are about men.....but then straight men still go for feminine females. But that does not mean that they have no other preferences at all......I'm sure other men will agree with me on this.