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madanthonywayne
06-26-08, 02:56 PM
A couple years ago I posted the following:

The way I think of it is that for us men, sex is a need just as strong as the need for food. When we don't get it, it soon becomes all we think about just like when you miss a meal or two. The longer it's been, the stronger the desire. And just as average food tastes better when hungry, ugly chicks look better and better the longer it's been since orgasm for a man. Average women become fascinating, irresistable. And good looking women, totally overwelming, like the sight of an oasis to a man dying of thirst.

For a woman, sex is like going to the movies. Pleasant, maybe even great. But there is no ever growing need as in men.
Now this apparently made such a strong impression on some of our members that it was just recently quoted in a thread on testosterone levels and masturbation.

I've never been a woman, so I can't really say with 100% certainty how they experience sexual desire. But my opinion is based upon observable evidence.

Who pays for sex? Men. Even male prostitutes have mainly male patrons. Who consumes the vast majority of porn? Men. Who commits the most rapes? Men. Which sex is it that turns to homosexuality and even homosexual rape when sent to prison? Men.

On the other hand, who uses sex as a way to manipulate people? Women. Ever hear a man tell a women she'd not be "getting lucky" due to her misbehavior? Ever hear of a man sleeping his way to the top?

I'm not, in any way, claiming that women do not enjoy sex. Just that their desire for it isn't as strong as a man's.

So, ladies, tell me why I'm wrong...

draqon
06-26-08, 03:13 PM
I agree with you 100%. It is a chemical dependancy for men.

clusteringflux
06-26-08, 03:25 PM
Even the old american gender default names spell it out.

Dick and Jane : which one is more sexual?

draqon
06-26-08, 03:26 PM
Even the old american gender default names spell it out.

Dick and Jane : which one is more sexual?

Jane.

Kadark
06-26-08, 03:35 PM
I'm sure men have stronger desires for sex than women, but the description given in the opening post illustrating the severity seems heavily exaggerated.

ElectricFetus
06-26-08, 03:48 PM
The average women has less sex drive then the average man, but a women desire for sex is not of any different quality then a mans, its just on average of far less quantity. This is why their is some porn for girls, and chip&dales, and black male prostitutes for Japanese women tourist in Singapore (also known as the prostitute capital of the world). In short women don't just enjoy sex or have sex for pleasure but also have sex to satisfy a basic animalistic desire just like men do, it just that desire is much weaker in women then in men.

madanthonywayne,

You think to much of your self, it was quoted because the thread was resurrected not because you said some hot shit.

orcot
06-26-08, 03:53 PM
I'm sure men have stronger desires for sex than women, but the description given in the opening post illustrating the severity seems heavily exaggerated.
I'm pretty sure the desire is the same but it manifests differently. Males are more expresive in it while women are quit introvert abouth it... I think

madanthonywayne
06-26-08, 04:03 PM
madanthonywayne,

You think to much of your self, it was quoted because the thread was resurrected not because you said some hot shit.Why didn't you say so in the first place? I asked where that quote came from because I knew it was pretty old and you chimed in that it was from two years ago, not mentioning the thread necromancy.

Regardless, it's still an interesting topic for discussion.

ElectricFetus
06-26-08, 04:05 PM
it funny watching a butch of men postulate on how women think.

madanthonywayne
06-26-08, 04:10 PM
The average women has less sex drive then the average man, but a women desire for sex is not of any different quality then a mans, its just on average of far less quantity. This is why their is some porn for girls, and chip&dales, and black male prostitutes for Japanese women tourist in Singapore (also known as the prostitute capital of the world).It's true there are some strip clubs with male strippers, but not many. My home town, for instance, has like 14 strip clubs (maybe more) and not a single one with male strippers.
In short women don't just enjoy sex or have sex for pleasure but also have sex to satisfy a basic animalistic desire just like men do, it just that desire is much weaker in women then in men. That's not really that much different from what I said.

ElectricFetus
06-26-08, 04:17 PM
It's true there are some strip clubs with male strippers, but not many. My home town, for instance, has like 14 strip clubs (maybe more) and not a single one with male strippers. That's not really that much different from what I said.

no no what you said was women do not instinctualy desire sex, they don't have a growing compulsion between fucks, they do, it just not as fast growing or as strong as mens. You would know this if you ever been pounced on by horny women, it pity you.

madanthonywayne
06-26-08, 04:33 PM
no no what you said was women do not instinctualy desire sex, they don't have a growing compulsion between fucks, they do, it just not as fast growing or as strong as mens. You would know this if you ever been pounced on by horny women, it pity you.Hey, I've been pounced on. My first real date was with an "older woman". She was a year or two ahead of me in school, I didn't even have my license yet (so she had to drive). She literally jumped on me while I was talking. We went to see The Verdict, and never even made it into the theature. (I never did see that movie)

But generally it's the man who must initiate things. The story I just mentioned was a case of me being very inexperienced with a girl who was pretty experienced.

draqon
06-26-08, 04:37 PM
Hey, I've been pounced on. My first real date was with an "older woman". She was a year or two ahead of me in school, I didn't even have my license yet (so she had to drive). She literally jumped on me while I was talking. We went to see The Verdict, and never even made it into the theature. (I never did see that movie)

how hot were you? :bugeye: geee... lucky you

ElectricFetus
06-26-08, 04:46 PM
Hey, I've been pounced on. My first real date was with an "older woman". She was a year or two ahead of me in school, I didn't even have my license yet (so she had to drive). She literally jumped on me while I was talking. We went to see The Verdict, and never even made it into the theature. (I never did see that movie)

But generally it's the man who must initiate things. The story I just mentioned was a case of me being very inexperienced with a girl who was pretty experienced.

then what this BS about women not desiring sex?

draqon
06-26-08, 04:49 PM
then what this BS about women not desiring sex?

sex with men...electricfetus.

Many women are not inclined to have sex with men, for example...you.

Chatha
06-26-08, 04:52 PM
"Women love sex, men need sex"

draqon
06-26-08, 04:53 PM
"Women love sex, men need sex"

Exactly.

ElectricFetus
06-26-08, 04:56 PM
sex with men...electricfetus.

Many women are not inclined to have sex with men, for example...you.

LOL! This coming from the guy who has only seen one cunt up close in his life and that was his mothers!

draqon
06-26-08, 05:07 PM
LOL! This coming from the guy who has only seen one cunt up close in his life and that was his mothers!

I was reported by doctors to have my eyes not seen behind my eyelids. In fact my eyes stayed closed and eyelids squeezed for a day...

I have not seen the beaver.

Chatha
06-26-08, 05:11 PM
very simple prove, go outside and ask the first girl you see if she wants to have sex, she's going to probably say no. But for guys you don't even need to go outside, wake him up from bed while sleeping and ask him to have sex and he will probably say yes if she is hot. Women enjoy sex just as much as men but they are more reserved and "classy" about it, again another result of sociological norm; no woman wants to be a slut and all women think their current relationship should be the best ever.

draqon
06-26-08, 05:13 PM
very simple prove, go outside and ask the first girl you see if she wants to have sex, she's going to probably say no. But for guys you don't even need to go outside, wake him up from bed while sleeping and ask him to have sex and he will probably say yes if she is hot. Women enjoy sex just as much as men but they are more reserved and "classy" about it, again another result of sociological norm; no woman wants to be a slut and all women think their current relationship should be the best ever.

I would disagree with you there...

I desire sex but I would not agree to having sex just with some girl who would come up to me and ask for it.

Chatha
06-26-08, 05:16 PM
But more than likely you would be more inclined than a woman would. The other point is that physical attributes doesn't turn women on like it turns men on, women are turned on by a number of things while men are turned on mostly by ....dare I say...large breasts.

draqon
06-26-08, 05:17 PM
But more than likely you would be more inclined than a woman would. The other point is that physical attributes doesn't turn women on like it turns men on, women are turned on by a number of things while men are turned on mostly by ....dare I say...large breasts.

ummm...the butt does it for me, actually.

But please Chatha...tell me what are women turned on by.

Orleander
06-26-08, 05:42 PM
it funny watching a butch of men postulate on how women think.

yep

Men pay for sex cuz women don't have to. A women thinks of sex, she gets laid. A men thinks of sex, he goes begging. Women use sex as a bargaining chip the same way men use money. Women never used to have their own money, so they used what men wanted. :shrug: And if you ran the risk of getting pregnant you would be more wary of sex.

Oh, and if most men were better in bed, women would be a LOT more eager for sex.

shorty_37
06-26-08, 06:47 PM
Oh, and if most men were better in bed, women would be a LOT more eager for sex.

Most men? I wonder how many men she is basing this on.

shorty_37
06-26-08, 06:54 PM
It's true there are some strip clubs with male strippers, but not many. My home town, for instance, has like 14 strip clubs (maybe more) and not a single one with male strippers.


I don't think that women aren't really interested in looking at male strippers. I think that maybe a lot of women find it sort or trashy, or unlady like. I went to one a few yrs ago, neitzsche took me for a joke. The place was packed! The women were going NUTS! Then they started doing these private dances in the booths behind us, and the women had no problem paying for them. I still have no idea how much it cost. One stripper came over to me and asked if I had a pen. I beleive he was getting some chicks phone #. When he gave me back the pen he kinda put his arm around me and grabbed my butt :eek:

The was the first and last time I went. I have no desire to head back there, but I can see how a group of women out for the night could have a blast there.

shorty_37
06-26-08, 06:59 PM
Hey, I've been pounced on. My first real date was with an "older woman".


But generally it's the man who must initiate things.

You DOG! :p I seem to end to get younger men myself. Anyway in my case my sexual drive has always been less then my partners. It seems men have sex on the brain 24/7, and I just don't have the time and energy for that.

I think you are right too, I think that men iniatiate sex more.

shorty_37
06-26-08, 07:02 PM
But more than likely you would be more inclined than a woman would. The other point is that physical attributes doesn't turn women on like it turns men on, women are turned on by a number of things while men are turned on mostly by ....dare I say...large breasts.

I would have to agree there......about the large breasts.
But physical appearance of men doesn't turn women on like men? I
have to disagree with you there. So a woman isn't turned on by a man
with a really nice chest?

Asguard
06-26-08, 07:15 PM
draqon concidering you have admited to being a virgin you should REALLY stay out of threads like this. Your opinions make you sound like an IDIOT.

Seeing as how half of PB and my fights involve the fact that "i dont find her atractive" because i never want to have sex the language may be different but the desire is no different.

shorty_37
06-26-08, 07:22 PM
draqon concidering you have admited to being a virgin you should REALLY stay out of threads like this. Your opinions make you sound like an IDIOT.

Seeing as how half of PB and my fights involve the fact that "i dont find her atractive" because i never want to have sex the language may be different but the desire is no different.

You never want to have sex with your g/f? and you are a young guy. What's the problem?

Orleander
06-26-08, 07:23 PM
draqon concidering you have admited to being a virgin you should REALLY stay out of threads like this. Your opinions make you sound like an IDIOT......

yeah, draqon, it does.

Asguard
06-26-08, 07:25 PM
Shorty a combination of two things

naturally low sex drive and depression. Also the anti depressants lower it further so we tend to have sex around once or twice a month unfortunatly:(

Orleander
06-26-08, 07:27 PM
Shorty a combination of two things

naturally low sex drive and depression. Also the anti depressants lower it further so we tend to have sex around once or twice a month unfortunatly:(

GAK! :eek: That's it!? Have you tried other meds?

Asguard
06-26-08, 07:29 PM
unfortuantly the other ones i have tried left me suicidle:p and basically unable to funtion at all

It really pisses me off but thats life

shorty_37
06-26-08, 07:31 PM
Shorty a combination of two things

naturally low sex drive and depression. Also the anti depressants lower it further so we tend to have sex around once or twice a month unfortunatly:(

So she takes your low sex drive personally and thinks you don't find her attractive and that is why you don't want to have sex with her.

I can see that happening.

Orleander
06-26-08, 07:34 PM
unfortuantly the other ones i have tried left me suicidle:p and basically unable to funtion at all

It really pisses me off but thats life

Ok, you may not be in the mood, but can you still...well, can you still get an erection? I've had sex while not being in the mood for it. Once you start, you get in the mood quick. ;)

Asguard
06-26-08, 07:41 PM
yes its mood related rather than sexual dysfuntion:p

And yes i have herd the argument that viagra works on low sex drive for men because its so visable:p

Yes PB can sometimes get me into "the mood" but she tends to get frustrated because she has to make the effort, and i do tend to get irrated if im doing something else and she wants sex

Ah well, lifes great isnt it:p

S.A.M.
06-26-08, 07:43 PM
Depends on your conditioning, I think. I've seen some very sexually aggressive women in the Arabs for example, they can really make the guys sweat. Most women are not obsessed with sex because they can get it more easily when they want it.

Orleander
06-26-08, 07:43 PM
well, when you love someone, you have to make an effort. Its give and take. Easy as that.
I'm not familiar with a guy being too busy for sex though. Is that normal???
;)

Asguard
06-26-08, 07:46 PM
orelander, imagin you have a lower sex drive. Now in that condition would you sit around waiting for your partner to turn you on all the time or would you be doing other things?:p

Orleander
06-26-08, 07:48 PM
Depends on your conditioning, I think. I've seen some very sexually aggressive women in the Arabs for example, they can really make the guys sweat. Most women are not obsessed with sex because they can get it more easily when they want it.

Is it obsessive to want it more than 2x a month?

madanthonywayne
06-26-08, 08:22 PM
i do tend to get irrated if im doing something else and she wants sex
Wow! No matter what I was doing, I'd never be irritated about my wife/girlfriend/some hot chick wanting to have sex! Really, the only time I'd not want to have sex is for about 20 minutes after I've just had sex. Even then, I can be convinced. But that's the one time she'd have to take the initiative.

Repo Man
06-26-08, 08:48 PM
All around the world, in culture after culture, men desire sex with women more than women desire sex with men. All over the world men are willing to pay prostitutes for sex. If the drive were balanced between the sexes, prostitution would be nearly non-existent. A quick look at the difference between male and female homosexual behavior really tells the tale.

madanthonywayne
06-27-08, 01:11 AM
Is it obsessive to want it more than 2x a month?Good question. What is normal for a female?

Personally, I'd like to have sex every day. At least every other day. I'd guess that's pretty typical for a male.

What about you? Can we quantify the difference in sexual desire?

A good follow up question, when sex isn't available, how often do you masturbate? I started a thread on this question once with a poll, but it was immediately cesspooled by Bells so we never got any results.

draqon
06-27-08, 01:16 AM
madanthonywayne...I understand this being internet and all, but don't you think your questions are being extremely over the border of what would be considered appropriate?

Asguard
06-27-08, 01:16 AM
mad im not sure maserbation is a good measure of desire because there are alot of people who refuse to do it for religious reasons.

My partner for example choses not to masterbate simply because it doesnt get her off EVER. However she would have sex twice a day if i was willing (which im NOT:p)

draqon
06-27-08, 01:21 AM
My partner for example choses not to masterbate simply because it doesnt get her off EVER. However she would have sex twice a day if i was willing (which im NOT:p)

your partner? is telling you to have sex twice a day? and you are refusing?

...

madanthonywayne
06-27-08, 01:23 AM
madanthonywayne...I understand this being internet and all, but don't you think your questions are being extremely over the border of what would be considered appropriate?
This is a serious discussion of sexual desire in males/females. There's no need for anyone to be embarrassed, as we are all anonymous here and can choose which threads to read/which questions to answer.

Anyone uncomfortable discussing issues of human sexuality shouldn't be reading a thread on that topic.

mad im not sure maserbation is a good measure of desire because there are alot of people who refuse to do it for religious reasons.

My partner for example choses not to masterbate simply because it doesnt get her off EVER. However she would have sex twice a day if i was willing (which im NOT:p)Are you serious about playboy bunny wanting it twice a day? Nice.

You're correct that masturbation isn't a perfect measure of sexual desire, but what is? I say it's worth throwing into the mix.

Dr Lou Natic
06-27-08, 03:19 AM
Asguard is your girlfriend a cave man? I know she looks like a cave man, and this could explain her non-sapien female sexual aggression. I would look into it, many cavemen, or "maggers", live amongst humans largely unnoticed.
Does she shave a lot?

Women do enjoy sex, I think once they're doing it they actually enjoy it more than men, but they're instinctually inhibitted from fucking a lot because it is detrimental for the species. This is also why men, despite being open to fucking sluts, ultimately look down on them. There has to be this multi-pronged measure ingrained into the species to discourage women from wreckless fucking.

It's a test of a woman's character to refrain from getting too much dick, the more dick she can turn down the better she is at being a woman. Women are helped along with an instinctual reluctance to fuck. There's always a constant battle within women between this instinct and the base desire to feel sexual gratification. In lesser specimens of the female the former noble and important instinct is losing out to the latter shameful piggish lust.

Men don't have this inhibitor, because it in no way negatively affects them to impregnate many random women. It's up to women to be selective, and desirable in such a way that encourages men to stay with them for an extended period of time, willfully supporting and protecting the female long enough for her to successfully raise well adjusted offspring. The two are connected, probably the main consideration a man ponders when thinking about entering a serious long term committment (as opposed to a sexual encounter) with a woman is how good she is at turning down dick. It is at least comparable to the female's consideration of how good a man's potential is to provide for a family.

So it's really not about women not liking sex, it's about being instinctually sound and quality specimens of female homo-sapiens who, maybe on a sub-conscious level, understand that it is of great importantance to not fuck around.

People talk about contraception and fucking for fun and blah blah blah, but "condoms" aren't taken into consideration by the primal instincts of humans, so a woman who is comfortable, or even enjoys, fucking guys for fun, is still exhibitting the fact she is a poor quality human being.

Orleander
06-27-08, 05:29 AM
Good question. What is normal for a female?

Personally, I'd like to have sex every day. At least every other day. I'd guess that's pretty typical for a male.

What about you? Can we quantify the difference in sexual desire?...

I average about 4-5x a week. But sometimes its once in the morning and then again that night, so if you're getting laid 2x a day, it adds up quickly.
So why is it obsessive for a women, but normal for a man. That's sexist, isn't it?:confused:

ElectricFetus
06-27-08, 08:43 AM
Dr Lou Natic,

Placing morality on evolutionary behavior is wrong, saying a women that has alot of sex is naturally immoral is like saying war, murder and tribalism is alright as these are natural mechanism for competition of genetics within a species.

Has anyone ever read this (or seen the show)
http://www.drtatiana.com/
Basically sexual behavior between males and females is extremely variable, but common themes are females are secretly promiscuous and male try to inhibit this and males or openly promiscuous but females try to keep them monogamous. The level of promiscuity among the females determines the size and virility of the males genitalia, for example male gorillas have tiny balls (and a penis), while chimpanzees have huge balls, humans males testicals are in between which suggest our females don't fuck 12 men in under an hour like chimps are known to do, but that our females most certainly aren't as faithful as gorillias who stick with one man in a harem for several years.

Dr Lou Natic
06-27-08, 09:09 AM
Placing morality on evolutionary behavior is wrong, saying a women that has alot of sex is naturally immoral is like saying war, murder and tribalism is alright as these are natural mechanism for competition of genetics within a species.
I believe those things are alright, so I disagree.
I think it's wrong to say things which are natural are wrong, like you are doing.
The only difference between you and me is my moral code at least appears to be supported by the nature of the universe, while yours doesn't. Your pro-slut anti-war stance seems to have randomly materialised out of thin air and I personally see no reason to respect it at all. It holds as much sway as scientology as far as I'm concerned.

ElectricFetus
06-27-08, 09:37 AM
I believe those things are alright, so I disagree.
Then your a racist nazi.


I think it's wrong to say things which are natural are wrong, like you are doing.
I not saying things that a natural are wrong, only that they have no wrong or right.



The only difference between you and me is my moral code at least appears to be supported by the nature of the universe, while yours doesn't.

Yes I'm a egalitarian, oh the horror!


Your pro-slut anti-war stance seems to have randomly materialised out of thin air and I personally see no reason to respect it at all. It holds as much sway as scientology as far as I'm concerned.

Did you not read the evidence I presented?, humans are moderately promiscuous, hence the nature of women is more promiscuous then you claim , if this is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue, we are simply asking how man and women's desires differ.

visceral_instinct
06-27-08, 03:16 PM
Sex is like going to the movies, just a random indulgence, not a need?

I wish. I could do without said need that everyone insists I do not have.


Shorty a combination of two things

naturally low sex drive and depression. Also the anti depressants lower it further so we tend to have sex around once or twice a month unfortunatly:(

Drink Red Bull, I'm not sure what's in it but it makes your sex drive hit the ceiling. :D:D

Saquist
06-27-08, 03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure the desire is the same but it manifests differently. Males are more expresive in it while women are quit introvert abouth it... I think

It think this is the most likely explanation.
Women are guarded and cautious with their sexual experiences. It can easily cause them pain and trauma. Men being the dominant gender, the opposite sex and the most violent of the genders is obviously a contributing factor to the greater less than observations of sex.

visceral_instinct
06-27-08, 04:49 PM
Good question. What is normal for a female?

Personally, I'd like to have sex every day. At least every other day. I'd guess that's pretty typical for a male.

What about you? Can we quantify the difference in sexual desire?

A good follow up question, when sex isn't available, how often do you masturbate? I started a thread on this question once with a poll, but it was immediately cesspooled by Bells so we never got any results.

Sex every day sounds good to me. I guess I'm just abnormal. *kicks the wall*

Diode-Man
06-27-08, 05:07 PM
Who pays for sex? Men. Even male prostitutes have mainly male patrons. Who consumes the vast majority of porn? Men. Who commits the most rapes? Men. Which sex is it that turns to homosexuality and even homosexual rape when sent to prison? Men.
On the other hand, who uses sex as a way to manipulate people? Women. Ever hear a man tell a women she'd not be "getting lucky" due to her misbehavior? Ever hear of a man sleeping his way to the top?


Here is my theory: If woman had as much sexual desire as men, the world would end. OR if men had less like women, that scenario would also end the world, or at least mess it up a great deal. I think its a sort of "energy flux drive" that the human race is functioning on.

Too much sexual desire in too many women would create far too many children in the world with no one really knowing whos kids are who's. If all the men of the world became with less of a desire for sex, what would drive relationships between men and women?

I'm not saying that would completely obliterate the "energy flux" that causes people to get married and what have you. It would appear to me, that the world functions on some "cosmic balance."

I once heard of a flower in some distant rainforest, where if the flower became extinct, a specific butterfly would also die off, or the other way around, if the butterfly died the flower would also die. Its like the female and males of the world are a single organism but with separate conciousness.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 08:00 AM
Too much sexual desire in too many women would create far too many children in the world with no one really knowing whos kids are who's.

There's a little thing called a condom...


I'm not saying that would completely obliterate the "energy flux" that causes people to get married and what have you. It would appear to me, that the world functions on some "cosmic balance."

Why do you think it necessary for there to be a difference in sexual drive? Surely it would make for better relationships if there were not, because you wouldn't have one partner getting frustrated because they weren't getting any and the other partner being pissed off and saying they had headaches because they didn't want to have sex?

Orleander
06-28-08, 08:03 AM
Sex every day sounds good to me. I guess I'm just abnormal. *kicks the wall*

No its not. We've just been raised to think it is. A man gets laid every day and its high fives all around and pats on the back. A woman does and peopel wonder why she's so obsessive and over sexed.

Women are taught to want sex less. Its how they remain 'good girls'.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 08:05 AM
On, my god. I didn't read this


It's a test of a woman's character to refrain from getting too much dick, the more dick she can turn down the better she is at being a woman. Women are helped along with an instinctual reluctance to fuck. There's always a constant battle within women between this instinct and the base desire to feel sexual gratification. In lesser specimens of the female the former noble and important instinct is losing out to the latter shameful piggish lust.


That makes me fucking sick. Your logic is a piece of shit. Impregnating random women does not help a man's chances of having offspring that survive. Whose kid has a better chance of surviving, a man who randomly fucks all over the place then leaves the women to bring up the kid alone, or one who stays with one woman so they can look after the kids together?

So if it makes me a poor quality human being it also makes you a poor quality human being.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 08:09 AM
No its not. We've just been raised to think it is. A man gets laid every day and its high fives all around and pats on the back. A woman does and peopel wonder why she's so obsessive and over sexed.

Women are taught to want sex less. Its how they remain 'good girls'.

Ya, I shouldn't have gotten pissed off. But I get so sick of the whole 'men need sex, women need love' thing. It's ridiculous. Most human beings want both sex and love, it's only normal.

Asguard
06-28-08, 08:15 AM
i agree with you VI. Out of interest did you ever see my thread on the demonisation of the sacred female?

His argument doesnt make any sence simply because its not historically born out. Infact female priestess used to have sex with there male counterparts as a form of worship which is exactly what constintine DIDNT want. He wanted all power to come through HIMSELF both political and spiritual. THAT is why female sexuality was supressed

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 08:16 AM
No I didn't see that thread Asguard, would you mind posting a link?

Asguard
06-28-08, 08:19 AM
its a rather old debate but here you go:p

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=78866

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 08:24 AM
thanks :)

Dr Lou Natic
06-28-08, 09:29 AM
Impregnating random women does not help a man's chances of having offspring that survive. Whose kid has a better chance of surviving, a man who randomly fucks all over the place then leaves the women to bring up the kid alone, or one who stays with one woman so they can look after the kids together?

So if it makes me a poor quality human being it also makes you a poor quality human being.
It doesn't hurt a man to impregnate a slut. It's less likely to work out then dedicating serious effort into children with a woman you care about, but it still might work, and it doesn't hurt at all to try (traditionally- which is all that is relavent when judging individual humans because you're judging their inbuilt instincts).
For women it's a fundamentally different situation, hence why "hey if men can do it..." arguments are ignorant and retarded. A man could concievably father literally hundreds of thousands of children, he's comparable to a fungus in this regard, it's not his responsibility to be fussy, it's his responsibility to spooge his seed out there as much as possible, like spores on the wind. Women can only have so many children, and each child they have leaves them less desirable to discerning quality males. So it's of pivotal importance that they make sure the people they have sex with truely care for them, are quality specimens of the male homo-sapien, will produce good quality offspring and will stick around to see the offspring reach their full potential by providing food, shelter and general structure for them.
Women have a most extraordinarily important responsibility to direct the evolution of mankind through sexual selection, it's no joke, nothing could ever be more important.
So I have no tolerance for this sex in the city "fuck like men" bullshit women talk about trying to justify their absurdly reckless detrimental and disgustingly slutty behaviour. It's absolutely not acceptable by any means. Please refrain from using your idiotic logic (hey men can do it, it's only fair if women can treat sex like men blah blah) since it is so critically flawed beyond anything your simple brain can comprehend.
Trust that social more's, or "cultural double standards", as you like to call them, know OH so much better than you do. You have no business trying to use your comically inferior reasoning abilities on such a serious issue.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 12:57 PM
It doesn't hurt a man to impregnate a slut. It's less likely to work out then dedicating serious effort into children with a woman you care about, but it still might work, and it doesn't hurt at all to try (traditionally- which is all that is relavent when judging individual humans because you're judging their inbuilt instincts).
For women it's a fundamentally different situation, hence why "hey if men can do it..." arguments are ignorant and retarded. A man could concievably father literally hundreds of thousands of children, he's comparable to a fungus in this regard, it's not his responsibility to be fussy, it's his responsibility to spooge his seed out there as much as possible, like spores on the wind. Women can only have so many children, and each child they have leaves them less desirable to discerning quality males. So it's of pivotal importance that they make sure the people they have sex with truely care for them, are quality specimens of the male homo-sapien, will produce good quality offspring and will stick around to see the offspring reach their full potential by providing food, shelter and general structure for them.
Women have a most extraordinarily important responsibility to direct the evolution of mankind through sexual selection, it's no joke, nothing could ever be more important.
So I have no tolerance for this sex in the city "fuck like men" bullshit women talk about trying to justify their absurdly reckless detrimental and disgustingly slutty behaviour. It's absolutely not acceptable by any means. Please refrain from using your idiotic logic (hey men can do it, it's only fair if women can treat sex like men blah blah) since it is so critically flawed beyond anything your simple brain can comprehend.
Trust that social more's, or "cultural double standards", as you like to call them, know OH so much better than you do. You have no business trying to use your comically inferior reasoning abilities on such a serious issue.

You keep throwing around evolutionary psychology, or your version of it anyway, but we're not Neanderthals any more. Do you not think that we should develop some new morals to suit the society we currently live in instead of parroting 'We lived in caves once' every time someone challenges the status quo?

Also, according to your 'it doesn't hurt to try' logic, it's therefore also okay for women to fuck around. It's less likely to work out than if you had a guy to stick around and look after the kid, but hey, it doesn't hurt to try.



Women can only have so many children, and each child they have leaves them less desirable to discerning quality males.

Why? Surely proof that a woman is fertile makes her desirable, hence men's liking for women with large breasts, 'hourglass' physique etc.?

And hey, nice bit of ad hominem there. Nothing like calling someone simple to get your point across.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 12:58 PM
So I have no tolerance for this sex in the city "fuck like men" bullshit women talk about trying to justify their absurdly reckless detrimental and disgustingly slutty behaviour. It's absolutely not acceptable by any means.

It's no one else's business to tolerate or not tolerate what other people do with their genitals. If I'm with a guy who I desire and who also desires me I'll have sex with him. It's none of your business.

Enmos
06-28-08, 01:09 PM
It's no one else's business to tolerate or not tolerate what other people do with their genitals. If I'm with a guy who I desire and who also desires me I'll have sex with him. It's none of your business.

Unless.. it's their business.

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 01:12 PM
Um...what?

Enmos
06-28-08, 01:13 PM
Never mind, I'm an idiot..

visceral_instinct
06-28-08, 01:16 PM
That's ok, just kill Dr Lou for me?

Enmos
06-28-08, 01:17 PM
That's ok, just kill Dr Lou for me?

Sure..
How low, manipulating idiots for your own evil schemes.. :p

Enmos
06-28-08, 01:19 PM
I'm going to have a cold shower now..
See ya :D

Nasor
06-28-08, 01:52 PM
Even the old american gender default names spell it out.

Dick and Jane : which one is more sexual?
"Dick" didn't become a slang word for penis until around 1890. It was already established as a common generic "example name" well before then.

madanthonywayne
06-28-08, 06:34 PM
On, my god. I didn't read this
That makes me fucking sick. Your logic is a piece of shit. Impregnating random women does not help a man's chances of having offspring that survive. Whose kid has a better chance of surviving, a man who randomly fucks all over the place then leaves the women to bring up the kid alone, or one who stays with one woman so they can look after the kids together?

VI, it's a question of bang for the buck. A man who fucks a thousand different women and doesn't even tell them his name has the chance of passing on his genes for nothing. His only investment was having a good time with some random female. If such children have only a 10% chance of surviving, that still greatly increases his chances of passing on his genes.

And who's to say that such a man doesn't also have a wife and children that he cares for? For most of history, it was pretty much expected that a man would have a wife and a mistress, or a concubine, or simply multiple wives.

Randwolf
06-28-08, 06:40 PM
I desire sex but I would not agree to having sex just with some girl who would come up to me and ask for it.

Enquiring minds want to know, Draq. Have any girls come up to you and asked for it, yet? Why is that, do you suppose?

Asguard
06-28-08, 08:02 PM
clusteringflux

ever herd the name "fanny"?

Enmos
06-28-08, 08:56 PM
clusteringflux

ever herd the name "fanny"?

Muff

draqon
06-28-08, 11:29 PM
Enquiring minds want to know, Draq. Have any girls come up to you and asked for it, yet? Why is that, do you suppose?

That is not my problem. None have come to me. I would suppose it is because I am ugly and do not look interesting enough for them. happy?

Randwolf
06-28-08, 11:39 PM
That is not my problem. None have come to me. I would suppose it is because I am ugly and do not look interesting enough for them. happy?


I think you're wrong. You are very intelligent, and very shy. I am new here, so please tell me, why don't you talk to girls?

Women have just as much desire for sex as men, although it may not be expressed in the same fashion. Just talk to them, you will soon find out that it is true...

draqon
06-28-08, 11:41 PM
I think you're wrong. You are very intelligent, and very shy. I am new here, so please tell me, why don't you talk to girls?

Women have just as much desire for sex as men, although it may not be expressed in the same fashion. Just talk to them, you will soon find out that it is true...

Seriously, I am unattractive.

And in addition to that I don't have much money, so I cannot support women.

Asguard
06-28-08, 11:43 PM
i agree, why would a girl seek you out when another guy will be quite willing to aproch her.

An interesting fact, did you know the more agressive (in seeking a partner sence of the word) sex varies depending on the distribution of males to females by area. For instance in SA males vastly outnumber females so males tend to be vary outgoing in seeking mates where as in Victoria where the reverse is true males tend to be persued by females:p

Kadark
06-28-08, 11:44 PM
That is not my problem. None have come to me. I would suppose it is because I am ugly and do not look interesting enough for them. happy?

Perhaps the root of your problem lies in the fact that you're only out to have sex with the women you wish to converse with? That seems pretty shallow to me. I highly doubt your questionable aesthetics cause the problem: there are women aplenty who are uglier than you.

I'm just sayin'.

draqon
06-28-08, 11:45 PM
i agree, why would a girl seek you out when another guy will be quite willing to aproch her.

An interesting fact, did you know the more agressive (in seeking a partner sence of the word) sex varies depending on the distribution of males to females by area. For instance in SA males vastly outnumber females so males tend to be vary outgoing in seeking mates where as in Victoria where the reverse is true males tend to be persued by females:p

well here it is 50/50.

So we are all equally outgoing, except me.

draqon
06-28-08, 11:47 PM
Perhaps the root of your problem lies in the fact that you're only out to have sex with the women you wish to converse with? That seems pretty shallow to me. I highly doubt your questionable aesthetics cause the problem: there are women aplenty who are uglier than you.

I'm just sayin'.

Kadark, the root of my problem is...I have no problem, Kadark. My goal is to find someone who attracts me personality wise, and that means she has to be interested in science and pursue science just as strongly as I pursue it...so far I have not met any girl who is just as eager as me and is also will be willing to converse with me.

Kadark
06-28-08, 11:49 PM
Kadark, the root of my problem is...I have no problem, Kadark. My goal is to find someone who attracts me personality wise, and that means she has to be interested in science and pursue science just as strongly as I pursue it...so far I have not met any girl who is just as eager as me and is also will be willing to converse with me.

How is anybody going to unearth your "personality" when you're a self-described mute? Oh, and sharing an interest in science is nice and all, but it really doesn't serve as trustable cement when it comes to forming relationships.

Asguard
06-28-08, 11:49 PM
Draqon did you ever think that making friends with people will increase your chances of finding a mate?

Even if you arnt atracted to someone (male or female) they could well have friends (or siblings) who you do find your atracted to. For christ sake, stop going at this that all your social interactions MUST result in getting laid. Its shallow to say the least

draqon
06-28-08, 11:50 PM
How is anybody going to unearth your "personality" when you're a self-described mute? Oh, and sharing an interest in science is nice and all, but it really doesn't serve as trustable cement when it comes to forming relationships.

well Kadark...what serves as a trustable cement?

Kadark
06-28-08, 11:55 PM
well Kadark...what serves as a trustable cement?

Don't ask me: I've never been in a serious relationship. I like my freedom too much for that. :cool:

Personally, I think your best bet is to pursue a relationship in your homeland. For the time being, it certainly couldn't hurt to at least socialize with other people, and maybe even (God forbid) make new friends. I mean, we can hardly get you to shut up when you're on Sciforums, as your second-highest post count would indicate; try to carry over some of that talkativeness to reality.

Damn, I feel so weird right now, giving genuine, heartfelt advice to another person. Value these moments from me, draq, for history shows they don't last long.

draqon
06-29-08, 12:00 AM
Draqon did you ever think that making friends with people will increase your chances of finding a mate?

Even if you arnt atracted to someone (male or female) they could well have friends (or siblings) who you do find your atracted to. For christ sake, stop going at this that all your social interactions MUST result in getting laid. Its shallow to say the least

Look...Asguard, my problem with society is that I am at constant war with it...I am not a small guy, I am large framed, I look like I might be a boxer. Everyone treats me as a "possible hazard", it smiling to people does not help either...I just don't have the "friendly" outlook. And in classes is war, noone ever helpes...it is constant battle for grade for me. "Study groups"...are for cute guys and girls who chose their partners from beginning of the class. I become an alien, sitting in the corner, and when I conversate, people generally get out of conversation, and leave some time after. Going back through my life, every time I tried to make a social bond with people I was lied to and taken advantage of, so I became a wolf of a sort, lonely wolf...thats who I am. The truth.

Now, once again, I have no problem. I have no problems. All is well. Everything is good.

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:04 AM
if all was good you wouldnt be complaining.

Find an interest, it doesnt have to be at school. Look outside of school, join a co-gender sports team, join a group your interested in, whatever.

Hell flinders uni has something like 200 different groups from drinking groups to chess, to sports to RPG's. If to make a little effort you will find SOMETHING your interested in and if you meet someone you like so much the better. If you dont at least you will stop winging about it HERE!!!!!!!

NO ONE IS GOING TO JUMP THROUGH THE COMPUTER AND FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

draqon
06-29-08, 12:06 AM
if all was good you wouldnt be complaining.

Find an interest, it doesnt have to be at school. Look outside of school, join a co-gender sports team, join a group your interested in, whatever.

Hell flinders uni has something like 200 different groups from drinking groups to chess, to sports to RPG's. If to make a little effort you will find SOMETHING your interested in and if you meet someone you like so much the better. If you dont at least you will stop winging about it HERE!!!!!!!

NO ONE IS GOING TO JUMP THROUGH THE COMPUTER AND FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Asguard, I am not looking for a sexual relationship. I am looking for a partner, someone who is like-minded like I am. Who is passionate about their goal and will reach it no matter what.

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:18 AM
um so?

thats what my advice was aimed at, if you were looking for a one night stand then i would have suggested you learn how to dance and go clubbing more often.

draqon
06-29-08, 12:19 AM
um so?

thats what my advice was aimed at, if you were looking for a one night stand then i would have suggested you learn how to dance and go clubbing more often.

I don't know I am just not ready yet...

I want sex, but afraid to have consequences of sex

I want a girl, but dont have money to support her

I want so much but luck so much myself

I am just not ready, maybe in two-five years...

Randwolf
06-29-08, 12:21 AM
Asguard, I am not looking for a sexual relationship. I am looking for a partner, someone who is like-minded like I am. Who is passionate about their goal and will reach it no matter what.

Draqon, whether you're looking for a partner or just sex, neither will happen if you don't talk to women in real life! How will you know if someone shares your passion for science if you don't talk to them? I mean, you could see someone give a lecture on science perhaps, or maybe they post on the internet in a science forum, but this won't help you find a partner, nor will it get you laid. This goes for Japanese girls as well. Just talk to the girls, the sex and the partnership will follow. I mean, try it, what have you to lose?

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:33 AM
Seriously how old are you draqon?

so what you dont have the money yet to surport a girl, this isnt the fucking middle ages. Most partners have both people working until they decide to have children and even then most families are now 2 income familes.

Your not renting a fucking hooker, your looking for a PARTNER you say which means BOTH parties contribute to the relationship

draqon
06-29-08, 12:35 AM
Seriously how old are you draqon?

so what you dont have the money yet to surport a girl, this isnt the fucking middle ages. Most partners have both people working until they decide to have children and even then most families are now 2 income familes.

Your not renting a fucking hooker, your looking for a PARTNER you say which means BOTH parties contribute to the relationship

I am 21.
I have no job, my life is full of classes.
I have not enough to contribute to relationship...

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:38 AM
So?

i dont have a job either, my partner surports me because im studying.

who told you that money is the only thing women want?
I know PB would love it if we had more money but at the same time she knows that this is nessary in order to get where i need to go and the rewards are worth it

draqon
06-29-08, 12:41 AM
So?

i dont have a job either, my partner surports me because im studying.

who told you that money is the only thing women want?
I know PB would love it if we had more money but at the same time she knows that this is nessary in order to get where i need to go and the rewards are worth it

well than your partner finds your personality attracting, unlike me...I do not have an "attracting" personality. Everytime I look a girl's way, the look away from me. disgust, most likely.

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:48 AM
your problems stem from self estem issues from the sound of it or the fact that you cant tell the difference between a girls face and her breasts

draqon
06-29-08, 12:49 AM
girls face and her breasts

I don't look into peoples' faces anymore. I generally look at peoples' shoes to know were they are and avoid them and meanwhile look around like I am looking for something, it works. I am safe.

Asguard, let me go ...

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:51 AM
god sake,

Go and see a psycologist. If you have no self confidence of course no one is going to want to be with you.

SEEK PROFFESSIONAL HELP

draqon
06-29-08, 12:53 AM
god sake,

Go and see a psycologist. If you have no self confidence of course no one is going to want to be with you.

SEEK PROFFESSIONAL HELP

I need no help. I am perfectly well. thank you.

I was always well. I have no problems. I never had any problems.

Asguard
06-29-08, 12:56 AM
you have no problem?

You just said you dont have the courage to raise your eyes above the ground and you think your ok?
Well if that makes you happy go for it but i think you will find a psycologist will be MUCH more helpfull than wineing to an internet board of people who could care less

draqon
06-29-08, 12:59 AM
you have no problem?

You just said you dont have the courage to raise your eyes above the ground and you think your ok?
Well if that makes you happy go for it but i think you will find a psycologist will be MUCH more helpfull than wineing to an internet board of people who could care less

Asguard I am discussing issues. You ask, I answer. Someone else asks, I answer. I ask, I wait for reply. Discussion of a topic is of my priority. I do however over-dramatize issues of discussion, so that it is of higher acuteness and interest to both of us.

draqon
06-29-08, 01:00 AM
If you want the real me, you will never find it here.

Orleander
06-29-08, 08:40 AM
...And who's to say that such a man doesn't also have a wife and children that he cares for? For most of history, it was pretty much expected that a man would have a wife and a mistress, or a concubine, or simply multiple wives.

yes, in the past. But what about now? Are we talking about the sexual desires of women then or now?

visceral_instinct
06-29-08, 09:28 AM
VI, it's a question of bang for the buck. A man who fucks a thousand different women and doesn't even tell them his name has the chance of passing on his genes for nothing. His only investment was having a good time with some random female. If such children have only a 10% chance of surviving, that still greatly increases his chances of passing on his genes.

And who's to say that such a man doesn't also have a wife and children that he cares for? For most of history, it was pretty much expected that a man would have a wife and a mistress, or a concubine, or simply multiple wives.

what orleander said...

and anyone feel like answering this?


You keep throwing around evolutionary psychology, or your version of it anyway, but we're not Neanderthals any more. Do you not think that we should develop some new morals to suit the society we currently live in instead of parroting 'We lived in caves once' every time someone challenges the status quo?

Cellar_Door
06-29-08, 10:00 AM
Hi everyone - new to the discussion - but I've been lurking all the while ;)

I think orleander's point is a valid one and relevant not just to this thread. Not meaning to make unfair generalisations here but men, when talking about women, seem to take every one of their points back to the stone age. However, if that's the basis for your argument then you are effectively saying that women and their sexual relationships haven't changed since the dawn of man.

We live in an age where women take positions as prominent politicians; being actually elected and not just within the monarchy. We live in an age where women compete with men in the workplace and can achieve the same university and higher education degrees/diplomas/awards as the opposite sex.
Even as little a while ago as the turn of the nineteenth century, none of this would have been possible. You may argue that this is just social and economic change but then comes the question, is it nurture or nature? (ie) Is a person affected by their environment? If so, such a drastic change in society can only herald a change in the behaviours and feelings of the people themselves.

Therefore, madanthonywayne, the reasoning behind a woman's more guarded approach to sex, may be more complex than you think.

Asguard
06-29-08, 06:46 PM
VI, i guess its a question of what inderviduals want to do. Do you follow bilogical imperitive or do you follow your ethical code.

Im not stupid enough to ignore the fact that these imperitives exist but having been cheated on i also know what it feels like to be on the other side of the fence. So i chose to follow my head rather than my testicalls

Orleander
06-29-08, 06:51 PM
....So i chose to follow my head rather than my testicalls

LOL, I think you need to stick with calling them balls.

As far as following the biological imperative, well, any woman who is on birth control is going against it. They demand their right to go against it.

Asguard
06-29-08, 06:54 PM
umm yes but by the same token we are talking about desire not nessarly actually repoduction.

I mean lots of people cheat and still use birth control, the desire really is disconected from the actual reproduction in humans.

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:00 PM
so what's the biological imperative you're talking about then?

Asguard
06-29-08, 07:02 PM
to FUCK!!!!!!!!

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:15 PM
Don't use that tone of typing with me young man!

still not understanding the biological imperative. Is it to reproduce? To get security?

Asguard
06-29-08, 07:29 PM
The biological impertive is to reproduce but that part tends to be overruled (by condoms, the pill ect). However people still cheat because its "fun", "feels good" whatever which is a perfect example of the base level desires we are all born with. Parents then spend the next 16? years trying to reprograme this and in the main it seems to work (i think the cheating rate tends to flutuate around 10%) so parents are 90% successful at making there kids think about the long term, who they will hurt ect over short term gratification (ie getting off)

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:34 PM
They don't cheat because its fun and feels good. They cheat because they don't care enough about the other person to be faithful. The fun/feel good part is just a bonus.

Base level desires??? What kind of people do you date? And seriously, considering how little sex you have, how are you an expert on it? Especially on why a woman does it?

Asguard
06-29-08, 07:37 PM
orleander, so you subscribe to the "its always the males fault then"?

I surpose you think that if a stupid slut goes out and gets drunk and fucks around its MY fault because i was working at the time and so she couldnt wait till i finished work to get laid?

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:47 PM
what are you talking about!? Men cheat on women as well. This isn't about you. Not all threads revolve around you.
People cheat because they don't care enough about the other person. Nowhere did I say SHE cheated because SHE didn't care about YOU.

Asguard
06-29-08, 07:53 PM
im sorry, i have herd the argument that men cheat because they dont care and but that women cheat because they "arnt getting the surport at home" WAY to many times and i find it VERY offencive.

Both sex's cheat for the same reason, they are selfish BASTEDS who dont give a toss about there partners. That being said if you DONT care there are biological drivers which push you to cheat but most people overrule that with there heads (the risk\reward equtions) and there hearts (there desire not to hurt there partner)

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:57 PM
im sorry, i have herd the argument that men cheat because they dont care and but that women cheat because they "arnt getting the surport at home" WAY to many times and i find it VERY offencive....

And I've heard that men cheat because they aren't getting any at home and women cheat because they are cold hearted bitches. Either way, its the woman's fault.

draqon
06-29-08, 07:58 PM
Asguard...what the point of fighting this sexist war? we need each other.

Orleander
06-29-08, 07:59 PM
yeah draqon, but for some reason there has to be a long over thought reason for it.

Asguard
06-29-08, 08:02 PM
orelander, not to dispute you but i have NEVER herd that and i would never agree with it either. If being at home is so bad LEAVE, there is NO EXCUSE for staying and cheating. Though i surpose it could be worse, there is that case in the US where a guys wife and the guy she wanted as a lover bashed the women's husbands head in simply because she didnt want the stigma atached to a devorse

Draqon i honestly dont know what your talking about

CutsieMarie89
06-29-08, 08:38 PM
I think the desire is for sex between the sexes is the same, but manifests itself in different ways. A lot of it has to do with social conditioning, I think as many people have mentioned thus far, women are taught to practically keep their sexual urges to a non-existent level. It causes psychological issues for many women because they feel the conflict between what they are taught and what they actually want to do. Few people want to feel like slutty freaks of nature so they behave the way that most of society (at least their friends and family) will find acceptable. Some times I think I mentally inhibit my own sex drive because of these standards without even being consciously aware that I'm doing it at the time. I always make up excuses as to why I don't feel like having sex even if I might actually want to.

s0meguy
06-30-08, 05:24 PM
And I've heard that men cheat because they aren't getting any at home and women cheat because they are cold hearted bitches. Either way, its the woman's fault.

Aha... so it being the woman's fault makes it not true? ok

Chatha
07-02-08, 08:42 AM
This isn't really about the sex- bad people cheat and have meaningless sex, good people don't.

Asguard
07-02-08, 07:42 PM
umm not all "meanngless sex" makes you a bad person. If your single do what ever you like as well some couples CHOSE to have open marriges ect.

Who are you to judge?

s0meguy
07-03-08, 03:08 AM
umm not all "meanngless sex" makes you a bad person. If your single do what ever you like as well some couples CHOSE to have open marriges ect.

Who are you to judge?

Who is anyone to judge that sex under any conditions (with adults consenting), even cheating, is bad? You think it's bad but thats just subjective.

Asguard
07-03-08, 03:15 AM
actually no, objectivly i can look at the harm it causes the other partner and weigh the harm against the gain. Besides which it wouldnt be called "cheating" if the parties involved think its acceptable behavor

s0meguy
07-03-08, 03:25 AM
actually no, objectivly i can look at the harm it causes the other partner and weigh the harm against the gain. Besides which it wouldnt be called "cheating" if the parties involved think its acceptable behavor

No I'm not saying that, the parties are aware that they are cheating. Cheating on a spouse or girlfriend/whatever is a definition, the meaning is not subject to opinion.

As for the harm part: what if the person being cheated on never knows that it happened?

Also harming others may not be bad in some peoples opinion therefore its subjective anyway.

Also I think that there are ways that having sex while not cheating can harm some people in the same way. For example where there is a person that has a crush on one of the parties having sex. Is it then also morally bad to have sex?

Asguard
07-03-08, 04:17 AM
thats a silly argument, just because im getting some and draqons not isnt a reason to say my sex is bad. Cheating however is breaking a contract if you wish to look at it legally. You have given a commitment to sleep with one indervidual and you have broken that commitment. So where as if draqon (sorry not trying to pick on you, your the only virgin im sure of his) has a problem with me having sex thats his problem. Compare that to my partner having a problem with the same thing? she would have a right to be angry

Yorda
07-03-08, 06:42 AM
I think the desire is for sex between the sexes is the same, but manifests itself in different ways. A lot of it has to do with social conditioning, I think as many people have mentioned thus far, women are taught to practically keep their sexual urges to a non-existent level.

women appear to be less sexual because they are less open with their sexual feelings. people often like to blame "society" for that. but i think the actual reason women are less open is simply because they are different than men. men may also not like women who have a lot of sex. i don't know.

if we blame society for something, aren't we blaming ourselves, because society is us.


Few people want to feel like slutty freaks of nature so they behave the way that most of society (at least their friends and family) will find acceptable.

men have a lot of sex, and they don't feel like sluts. or maybe they do, but they don't fear it, because they don't care. they accept what they are.

both sexes should be treated equally, but people often confuse equality with sameness, that men and women have to be the same. the differences between the two sexes are illusions (created by us), but at the same time they are real.

men are open and women are closed (less open). because they are opposites.

women are the gate to heaven and men are the key that opens the gate, that's why they are "open". the more the two sexes spend time together, they more they will become like each other (probably also physically). women will become more open and men will become more like women, sensitive and careful. because both masculine and feminine qualities are good things to have. but not yet...

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:08 AM
women appear to be less sexual because they are less open with their sexual feelings. people often like to blame "society" for that. but i think the actual reason women are less open is simply because they are different than men.

And why? - because we get attacked and called sluts for so much as admitting that we actually have a sex drive, as opposed to the more socially acceptable 'love' drive.

draqon
07-03-08, 10:10 AM
And why? - because we get attacked and called sluts for so much as admitting that we actually have a sex drive, as opposed to the more socially acceptable 'love' drive.

we all choose our own paths. Prostitutes choose to act on their sex drive, people with morality and dignity can control their sex drive and act upon their "love".

Those who fell into their own pleasure trap cannot gain the benefits of true love.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:25 AM
Love is overrated. Not to mention headwrecking.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:25 AM
and I was referring to the fact that it is not socially acceptable for a woman to want sex as it is a man. Men are expected to want sex, but if women do, we're sluts. :(

draqon
07-03-08, 10:26 AM
Love is overrated. Not to mention headwrecking.

you are stating this because you yourself have fallen.

Those who fell into their own pleasure trap cannot gain the benefits of true love.

draqon
07-03-08, 10:31 AM
and I was referring to the fact that it is not socially acceptable for a woman to want sex as it is a man. Men are expected to want sex, but if women do, we're sluts. :(

I am a man, I want sex, I do not care what others want me to do...I am my own God.

You are a woman, I am sure you want sex, have you done it? I am sure you have. Have you done it without love, just sex? yes, you have. And that is were you fell. You will never know true meaning of love.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:34 AM
I am a man, I want sex, I do not care what others want me to do...I am my own God.

You are a woman, I am sure you want sex, have you done it? I am sure you have. Have you done it without love, just sex? yes, you have. And that is were you fell. You will never know true meaning of love.

No, it was both love and sex, as it should be.

And meh...being 'fallen' sounds like lots of fun. :D

draqon
07-03-08, 10:35 AM
No, it was both love and sex, as it should be.

And meh...being 'fallen' sounds like lots of fun. :D

it is fun in this world, but when it ends...

...I can't even say I will pray for you...

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:37 AM
Nah, don't bother praying for me. I wanna go to Hell! It sounds like a great place. I imagine there'd be heavy metal concerts every night. And orgies. :D

s0meguy
07-03-08, 10:38 AM
and I was referring to the fact that it is not socially acceptable for a woman to want sex as it is a man. Men are expected to want sex, but if women do, we're sluts. :(

Women are the ones that call each other sluts (and think that it is a bad thing to be one) so if you want to change it, start at yourself. The more slutty women get, the happier men get (provided that it is not their spouse :P)

I asked several women why they think being a slut is bad, they couldn't explain it. It's a feeling, it is not rational, why do you guys think that there is this 'problem' with women having lots of sex?

draqon
07-03-08, 10:40 AM
Nah, don't bother praying for me. I wanna go to Hell! It sounds like a great place. I imagine there'd be heavy metal concerts every night. And orgies. :D

well the way it works is simple...whatever your pleasures are, it is not. whatever your distates are, horrors, and dislikes...it is.

To say more, hell and heaven are made by you. You decide your own faith, and we entrust our faith in you...if we choose to do so.

draqon
07-03-08, 10:40 AM
The more slutty women get, the happier men get (provided that it is not their spouse :P)

You are wrong.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 10:40 AM
Women are the ones that call each other sluts so if you want to change it, start at yourself. The more slutty women get, the happier men get (provided that it is not their spouse :P)

I don't think of other women as sluts for having a normal sex drive. I might call them sluts if I saw them having sex in th road in front of the entire public. Other than that, no. It's not my businesss what other people do with their genitals.

s0meguy
07-03-08, 10:42 AM
You are wrong.

And you are living in a fluffy fantasy world.

s0meguy
07-03-08, 10:44 AM
I asked several women why they think being slutty is bad, they couldn't explain it. It's a feeling, it is not rational, why do you guys think that there is this 'problem' with women having lots of sex?

draqon
07-03-08, 10:46 AM
And you are living in a fluffy fantasy world.

I choose which world I live in. I do not wish to be in world of women who live for sex only.

s0meguy
07-03-08, 11:06 AM
I choose which world I live in. I do not wish to be in world of women who live for sex only.

aha, so a world in which women have lots of sex, women live for sex only. Nice logic.

draqon
07-03-08, 11:07 AM
aha, so a world in which women have lots of sex, women live for sex only. Nice logic.

what logic, suits you?

Michael
07-03-08, 11:10 AM
Have you done it without love, just sex? yes, you have. And that is were you fell. You will never know true meaning of love.I know many people who "fell in love" (first time had sex) eventually had kids and then cheated on their partner 15-20 years later. "Love" has a used by date because the hormone runs out after awhile.

Now relationship is something different. That's based on something more than just love/sex.

So have a bunch of sex now while you can and form a relationship at some point in the future. I'm older then you by enough years to know this is very good advice. :)

draqon
07-03-08, 11:15 AM
Michael, I also know of a couple...my parents...who have never had sex, had it, I was born, they are together now, and they will be together forever until death...I am 21.

Enmos
07-03-08, 11:19 AM
Michael, I also know of a couple...my parents...who have never had sex, had it, I was born, they are together now, and they will be together forever until death...I am 21.

Draqon, could you please look in your Inbox ?

s0meguy
07-03-08, 11:23 AM
what logic, suits you?

care to explain it? I'm just curious about what got you to think like that.

draqon
07-03-08, 11:33 AM
care to explain it? I'm just curious about what got you to think like that.

no.

draqon
07-03-08, 11:34 AM
Draqon, could you please look in your Inbox ?

I got your message, were do I vote?

Yorda
07-03-08, 11:49 AM
And why? - because we get attacked and called sluts for so much as admitting that we actually have a sex drive, as opposed to the more socially acceptable 'love' drive.

society is just a word that means "other women (and men)". so when you say that the love drive is more socially acceptable it just means that it's more acceptable by women.

if a woman sleeps around a lot it means that she behaves like a man, and that is not acceptable by many women. same with guys: if a man behaves feminine (for example if he's a virgin, if he doesn't get any sex), he's looked down upon by other men.

men don't get called sluts because that word would be ineffective against a man. it would be like saying: you're a man. it's more like a compliment. men have their own bad words, which only work against other men.

Enmos
07-03-08, 11:54 AM
I got your message, were do I vote?

No not yet, I need them all first.
Could you read it again ? I asked you something :)

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 11:58 AM
society is just a word that means "other women (and men)". so when you say that the love drive is more socially acceptable it just means that it's more acceptable by women.

if a woman sleeps around a lot it means that she behaves like a man, and that is not acceptable by many women. same with guys: if a man behaves feminine (for example if he's a virgin, if he doesn't get any sex), he's looked down upon by other men.

men don't get called sluts because that word would be ineffective against a man. it would be like saying: you're a man. it's more like a compliment. men have their own bad words, which only work against other men.

Ya, but who decided it was 'feminine' to be a virgin and not get any, and the other way around for men? And what makes anyone feel it is ok??

draqon
07-03-08, 12:01 PM
Ya, but who decided it was 'feminine' to be a virgin and not get any, and the other way around for men? And what makes anyone feel it is ok??

no one decided it, you just believe it to be so and accept it as though others believe it so.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 12:02 PM
So no on thinks men are cool when they fuck left right and centre, but women are sluts if they get laid too much? Yay! Hey people, I fucked 10 guys last night, aren't I cool?

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:03 PM
How can it be feminine to be a virgin ? :confused:

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:04 PM
I fucked 10 guys last night

Really ? :eek:

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 12:04 PM
Exactly, it's not being feminine, it's being effectively *asexual*, which by definition, is not feminine...

draqon
07-03-08, 12:04 PM
So no on thinks men are cool when they fuck left right and centre, but women are sluts if they get laid too much? Yay! Hey people, I fucked 10 guys last night, aren't I cool?

Some think it is cool, some do not...it all matters with whom you associate it, to decide that their views of you are the "society".

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 12:05 PM
Really ? :eek:

Sadly, no, I did not. I was just making a point. :(

draqon
07-03-08, 12:05 PM
Sadly, no, I did not. I was just making a point. :(

Happily, you did not.

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:06 PM
Sadly, no, I did not. I was just making a point. :(

lol Glad to hear that :p

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:07 PM
Exactly, it's not being feminine, it's being effectively *asexual*, which by definition, is not feminine...

Agreed. Although there are several nuances to the definition of the word 'feminine', all imply sexuality.

s0meguy
07-03-08, 12:13 PM
no.

because you can't explain it.

draqon
07-03-08, 12:14 PM
because you can't explain it.

If I do, you would deny me never thless.

Yorda
07-03-08, 12:20 PM
Ya, but who decided it was 'feminine' to be a virgin and not get any, and the other way around for men?

men and women "decided" it (unconsciously) of course, who else? god? the important question is why did they decide what they decided? and the answer is in the differences of their physical bodies. the physical differences create mental equivalents of those differences.

how detailed do i have to get?: men have a "hard" body. the hardness is reflected in their personality. we know that many men try to be "hard" which equals tough. and girls have a soft body, so their pesronality is soft (sensitive)


Yay! Hey people, I fucked 10 guys last night, aren't I cool?

yes, you're cool! no but... the reason that it's not cool for a girl because it's so easy for a girl to get 10 guys. but for a guy it's hard to get 10 girls, because girls are so careful (feminine), that's why it would be impressive/cool accomplishment for a guy.

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:22 PM
men and women decided it of course, who else? god? the important question is why did they decide what they decided? and the answer is in the differences of their physical bodies. the physical differences create mental equivalents of those differences.
I thought god was everything according to you ? Then, God DID decide upon it.
It's just men that decided it though.. men liked to oppress women, still even..


how detailed do i have to get?: men have "hard" body. the hardness is reflected in their personality. we know that many men try to be "hard" which equals tough. and girls have a soft body, so their pesronality is soft (sensitive)
You're not..

draqon
07-03-08, 12:26 PM
You're not..

what does that mean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqOiDZpmd4&feature=related)? that Yorda is a...

Enmos
07-03-08, 12:28 PM
what does that mean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqOiDZpmd4&feature=related)? that Yorda is a...

Something like that :D

No, I just meant he doesn't come across as a 'hard man'. God have mercy !

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 01:21 PM
how detailed do i have to get?: men have a "hard" body. the hardness is reflected in their personality. we know that many men try to be "hard" which equals tough. and girls have a soft body, so their pesronality is soft (sensitive)


That's symbolism, not reality. That's like saying my eyes are dark, so I should be associated with death, or something similar.

What if a girl has a hard, wiry body? What does that make her?

draqon
07-03-08, 01:22 PM
What if a girl has a hard, wiry body? What does that make her?

unsuited for sex.

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:22 PM
That's symbolism, not reality. That's like saying my eyes are dark, so I should be associated with death, or something similar.

What if a girl has a hard, wiry body? What does that make her?

Depends, could be hot.
Picture ? ;)

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:23 PM
unsuited for sex.

What the hell ? lol
You don't know what you're talking about :D

draqon
07-03-08, 01:24 PM
What the hell ? lol
You don't know what you're talking about :D

I do not know what I am talking about, but do you know what you are picturing? :bugeye:

think about a girl...with a hard wire body...

clusteringflux
07-03-08, 01:27 PM
Multiple sex partners aren't "cool" for men or women, IMO.
Judging from all of the STDs running wild, I'd say nature is in agreement with me.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 01:29 PM
unsuited for sex.

why? it doesn't change the fact that we have a vagina.

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:29 PM
I do not know what I am talking about, but do you know what you are picturing? :bugeye:

think about a girl...with a hard wire body...

It just means lean.

draqon
07-03-08, 01:31 PM
why? it doesn't change the fact that we have a vagina.

old 90 year old women also have a vagina ...

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:32 PM
old 90 year old women also have a vagina ...

Prove it !

draqon
07-03-08, 01:32 PM
It just means lean.


or does it?


http://clickha.persiangig.com/image/new_foldernn/muscle%20woman%202.jpg

draqon
07-03-08, 01:33 PM
Prove it !

I do not have to prove anything but the suns' reflection in my eyes to make you see.

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:37 PM
or does it?

Wiry means lean or thin; not very muscular but still surprisingly strong.

draqon
07-03-08, 01:38 PM
Wiry means lean or thin; not very muscular but still surprisingly strong.

those kind of girls still have over-production of testosterone and low levels of estrogene. Usually they are lesbians.

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:39 PM
those kind of girls still have over-production of testosterone and low levels of estrogene. Usually they are lesbians.

Oh come on.. :bugeye:

draqon
07-03-08, 01:40 PM
Oh come on.. :bugeye:

well thats my experience...

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:41 PM
well thats my experience...

What the fuck do you mean your experience ?
You say all women in the US are lesbians, very few are wiry though.

Enmos
07-03-08, 01:42 PM
Later :wave:

draqon
07-03-08, 01:42 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11328026/

draqon
07-03-08, 01:43 PM
Later :wave:

adios.

draqon
07-03-08, 01:43 PM
What the fuck do you mean your experience ?
You say all women in the US are lesbians, very few are wiry though.

exactly...in addition to the fact that they are lesbians in USA they are also lack any muscles...and are mostly fat.

Michael
07-03-08, 01:51 PM
Michael, I also know of a couple...my parents...who have never had sex, had it, I was born, they are together now, and they will be together forever until death...I am 21.my point is the feeling of "love" is fleeting. Even your parents don't feel the exact same they did when they first met. Of course the each to their own, but for me I say have some sex, then some more then a little more then some more then more more and more. then more. then settle down and fall in love and form a relationship :)

draqon
07-03-08, 01:52 PM
Michael true love evolves, a sexual desire fades with time, a love of understanding forms as a bond of love between true lovers, a true love never fades.

Michael
07-03-08, 02:14 PM
Michael true love evolves, a sexual desire fades with time, a love of understanding forms as a bond of love between true lovers, a true love never fades.so why skip the sex?!?!?

Didn't you watch Little Ms SunShine? The old man gives his grandson some advice before he dies and he says: Have sex sex sex and more sex. (then the old man dies :p

draqon
07-03-08, 02:16 PM
so why skip the sex?!?!?

Didn't you watch Little Ms SunShine? The old man gives his grandson some advice before he dies and he says: Have sex sex sex and more sex. (then the old man dies :p

advice from a movie? :bugeye: Michael...oh Michael...

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/sep4_mcgerr_michael.jpg

Yorda
07-03-08, 02:43 PM
what does that mean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqOiDZpmd4&feature=related)? that Yorda is a...

what am i?


No, I just meant he doesn't come across as a 'hard man'. God have mercy !

i'm not trying to. but i do sound hard sometimes.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 05:03 PM
those kind of girls still have over-production of testosterone and low levels of estrogene. Usually they are lesbians.

Yeah, yeah. Every time a girl or woman is good at something males like to think is their territory, they're classed as having too much testosterone or otherwise as not being proper females. I've had people say I must be on steroids because I can sing death metal style ( about the most ignorant thing you can say, because you don't use your normal vocal cords for that). And then of course, a male mountain biker who told me 'the female downhillers are usually not well in the head.' Anything else? Maybe breathing is not feminine, because men do it?

draqon
07-03-08, 05:04 PM
Yeah, yeah. Every time a girl or woman is good at something males like to think is their territory, they're classed as having too much testosterone or otherwise as not being proper females. I've had people say I must be on steroids because I can sing death metal style ( about the most ignorant thing you can say, because you don't use your normal vocal cords for that). And then of course, a male mountain biker who told me 'the female downhillers are usually not well in the head.' Anything else? Maybe breathing is not feminine, because men do it?

well I would agree about singing as a death metal style...because that does show that vocal cords are male developed...showing less of estrogen and higher testosterone levels...and yes the downhill biking is also a sign of high testosterone level, because normal women would be too emotional to do such a thing...

so yes...I agree.

breathing? breathing is not really connected much to the testosterone/estrogen level. so that assumption is wrong.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:07 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11328026/

And ? That doesn't say wiry women have low estrogen levels.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:09 PM
exactly...in addition to the fact that they are lesbians in USA they are also lack any muscles...and are mostly fat.

So now you are contradicting yourself.
You say that women that are wiry must be lesbians because they are wiry.
But you also say that women that are mostly fat are lesbians.
Make up your mind..

draqon
07-03-08, 05:10 PM
And ? That doesn't say wiry women have low estrogen levels.

http://www.exrx.net/Store/HK/AthleticWomensSurvival.html

"
a disruption of monthly menstrual cycles resulting in estrogen deficiency due to exercise

draqon
07-03-08, 05:11 PM
So now you are contradicting yourself.
You say that women that are wiry must be lesbians because they are wiry.
But you also say that women that are mostly fat are lesbians.
Make up your mind..

:p oopsy doopsy...ok here is my take...American women are mostly lesbians and fat and those women who are not fat have low estrogen levels and are ugly.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:11 PM
http://www.exrx.net/Store/HK/AthleticWomensSurvival.html

"

So now all wiry women over-exercise ?

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:13 PM
:p oopsy doopsy...ok here is my take...American women are mostly lesbians and fat and those women who are not fat have low estrogen levels and are ugly.

:confused:
That makes no sense.
So ALL American women are lesbian, AND are either fat or wiry ?
Good luck proving that one..

draqon
07-03-08, 05:13 PM
Asian women however have high estrogen levels.
http://www.howardwfrench.com/archives/2005/11/14/a_beautiful_combination_researchers_link_estrogen_ to_looks/

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:14 PM
Asian women however have high estrogen levels.
http://www.howardwfrench.com/archives/2005/11/14/a_beautiful_combination_researchers_link_estrogen_ to_looks/

Still.. most of them are WIRY.

draqon
07-03-08, 05:14 PM
So now all wiry women over-exercise ?

well over-toned women do over-exercise...because women with normal estrogen level do not sing death metal

draqon
07-03-08, 05:15 PM
Still.. most of them are WIRY.

well thats because of soy...it affects estrogen level

draqon
07-03-08, 05:15 PM
:confused:
That makes no sense.
So ALL American women are lesbian, AND are either fat or wiry ?
Good luck proving that one..

no no...as much as 60% of American women are lesbians and most of these are fat...the rest of 40% are toned and thus have low estrogen levels and are ugly.

visceral_instinct
07-03-08, 05:16 PM
well I would agree about singing as a death metal style...because that does show that vocal cords are male developed...showing less of estrogen and higher testosterone levels...and yes the downhill biking is also a sign of high testosterone level, because normal women would be too emotional to do such a thing...

so yes...I agree.

breathing? breathing is not really connected much to the testosterone/estrogen level. so that assumption is wrong.

YOU DON'T USE YOUR NORMAL VOCAL CORDS FOR THAT!!! DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST??? I have a normal female voice and can do an Anuna-style soprano voice if I want to, but I can still growl in the low range a la Chris Barnes. I learned to do it, it does not mean I have a high testosterone level.

and about downhill mountain biking. I do it BECAUSE I am emotional. I like the rush, the intoxication, the feeling of being immortal. Those are emotions. So if anything, that makes me feminine, not masculine, and downhill is something for women not men, because it is emotional. According to your logic anyway.

Enmos, please tell him he's talking shit.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:20 PM
well thats because of soy...it affects estrogen level

But they had normal estrogen levels... :bugeye:

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:21 PM
Enmos, please tell him he's talking shit.

I'm trying.. lol

draqon
07-03-08, 05:24 PM
But they had normal estrogen levels... :bugeye:

...well then they were also intelligent and did not eat soy because they knew it would protect their estrogen levels. So Asian girls are intelligent.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:26 PM
...well then they were also intelligent and did not eat soy because they knew it would protect their estrogen levels. So Asian girls are intelligent.

Oh for craps sake.. !
So they are wiry because they are wiry by nature, not because of soy because they are too intelligent ot eat it.

So why are Asian girls that are wiry (which is the majority) not lesbians ?

draqon
07-03-08, 05:45 PM
So why are Asian girls that are wiry (which is the majority) not lesbians ?

because they are moral and have culture that has been specific at keeping their culture at high priority.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:55 PM
because they are moral and have culture that has been specific at keeping their culture at high priority.

And what makes you think Vis is less moral than a wiry Asian.
I mean, come on.. you know better than that.

Besides, culture or morality doesn't change your sexual preference.. it just suppresses it.

draqon
07-03-08, 05:55 PM
And what makes you think Vis is less moral than a wiry Asian.
I mean, come on.. you know better than that.

because she has already stated that she does sex because of sex...and she said she wants an orgy too...immoral.

Enmos
07-03-08, 05:57 PM
because she has already stated that she does sex because of sex...and she said she wants an orgy too...immoral.

How many wiry Asian women that are engaged in pornographic activities of the sort you mention here do you want me to find for you ?

Just admit that you're acting dumb here :p

draqon
07-03-08, 05:58 PM
Besides, culture or morality doesn't change your sexual preference.. it just suppresses it.

culture defines sexual preference. Culture is what shapes the individual in many ways. Beyonce got a really short skirt? everyone in high schools are getting one too...the totally awesome cool phones that slide? everyone has got to get them as well...

Blind sheep are todays' culture.

draqon
07-03-08, 05:59 PM
How many wiry Asian women that are engaged in pornographic activities of the sort you mention here do you want me to find for you ?

Just admit that you're acting dumb here :p

They were forced to do it. They did not know, they were too innocent to know, but they were pushed around, and life beat them down to it.

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:00 PM
They were forced to do it. They did not know, they were too innocent to know, but they were pushed around, and life beat them down to it.

So much for their highly moral culture.. lol

Draqon.. :bugeye:

draqon
07-03-08, 06:01 PM
So much for their highly moral culture.. lol

Draqon.. :bugeye:

but not majority of them...certainly not anywhere close to 60%...just a small minority of them indulge in these derogatory acts.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:07 PM
anyways...Asian girls also live longer...in addition to being moral, smart, and cute. And they are healthy.

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:12 PM
but not majority of them...certainly not anywhere close to 60%...just a small minority of them indulge in these derogatory acts.

So you still stand behind you following statements ?

- ALL American women are either fat or wiry.
- ALL American women are gay.
- ALL wiry women have low estrogen levels.
- ALL women that have low estrogen levels are gay.
- ALL wiry women over-exercise.
- Asian women have high estrogen levels.
- Wiry Asian women are wiry because they eat soy.
- Eating soy lowers estrogen levels in women.
- Still, Asian women have normal estrogen levels because they we smart enough to avoid eating soy.
- Asian women are wiry but are not gay.
- Asian women are not gay because they hold their culture and morals in high regard.
- Asian women are not promiscuous.
- Asian women that are promiscuous are forced into it.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:15 PM
So you still stand behind you following statement ?

- ALL American women are either fat or wiry.
- MOST American women are gay.
- ALL wiry AMERICAN women have low estrogen levels.
- ALL AMERICAN women that have low estrogen levels are gay.
- ALL wiry women over-exercise.
- Asian women have high estrogen levels.
- MOST Wiry Asian women are wiry because they eat soy.
- Eating soy affects lowers estrogen levels in women.
- Still, Asian women have normal estrogen levels because they we smart enough to avoid eating soy.
- Asian women are wiry but are not gay.
- Asian women are not gay because they hold their culture and morals in high regard.
- MOST Asian women are not promiscuous.
- MOST Asian women that are promiscuous are forced into it.

I modified it...

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:17 PM
I modified it...

It still doesn't make any sense.
And it obscures you reasons for calling Vis unwomanly, unfit to have sex with, etc.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:20 PM
It still doesn't make any sense.
And it obscures you reasons for calling Vis unwomanly, unfit to have sex with, etc.

no...no...not unwomanly...just un-normal-womanly...

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:21 PM
no...no...not unwomanly...just un-normal-womanly...

And by extension, gay.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:22 PM
And by extension, gay.

weeelll... or bi which is still gay.

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:23 PM
weeelll... or bi which is still gay.

..based on her being wiry..

I think you should apologize, or admit that you were just kidding.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:24 PM
..based on her being wiry..

I think you should apologize, or admit that you were just kidding.

well lets say I do mean it...which means I am not kidding but perhaps sexually confused (or frustrated...since I am still a virgin male of 21 years of age)...but I still think that this is all serious...if I apologize...I would be lying to myself...should I still apologize nevertheless?

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:28 PM
well lets say I do mean it...which means I am not kidding but perhaps sexually confused (or frustrated...since I am still a virgin male of 21 years of age)...but I still think that this is all serious...if I apologize...I would be lying to myself...should I still apologize nevertheless?

Yes.
By apologizing you wouldn't be lying to yourself, you would in stead at least be recognizing that you said something that might have hurt her feelings.

But you honestly don't see the flaw of your reasoning that wiry women must be gay or bisexual because they are wiry ?

draqon
07-03-08, 06:30 PM
Yes.
By apologizing you wouldn't be lying to yourself, you would in stead at least be recognizing that you said something that might have hurt her feelings.

But you honestly don't see the flaw of your reasoning that wiry women must be gay or bisexual because they are wiry ?

well I think you lead me to this reasoning by your logical mousetrap reasoning...but no what I wanted to say is that the fat women are usually gay and wiry women usually have low estrogen levels and thus are un-femenistic.

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:35 PM
well I think you lead me to this reasoning by your logical mousetrap reasoning...but no what I wanted to say is that the fat women are usually gay and wiry women usually have low estrogen levels and thus are un-femenistic.

You said it not me. I just showed you what the implications of your statements were.
I hope you can see that your statements grossly contradict each other and that they are completely unfounded.

draqon
07-03-08, 06:41 PM
yes, I do see that I contradict myself...so that means I am wrong...which makes me happy and now I know this world is not as bad as I thought it was. Of course it also means that I must change some of the outlooks on this world I am in, which will be a tough thing to accomplish.

Enmos
07-03-08, 06:42 PM
yes, I do see that I contradict myself...so that means I am wrong...which makes me happy and now I know this world is not as bad as I thought it was. Of course it also means that I must change some of the outlooks on this world I am in, which will be a tough thing to accomplish.

You're welcome :p

Got to go now.. :wave:

draqon
07-03-08, 06:45 PM
You're welcome :p

Got to go now.. :wave:

oh noeees...ciao Enmos

Asguard
07-03-08, 07:54 PM
my god, 5 pages of draqon trying to give advice on a topic he has no fucking clue about. What a suprise.

Here is some free advice to you

IF YOU HAVENT DONE IT, DONT TALK ABOUT IT. you look like a compleate idiot

and hell yea lean girls are hot, look at the australian netball team:D

EmptyForceOfChi
07-03-08, 08:25 PM
A couple years ago I posted the following:

Now this apparently made such a strong impression on some of our members that it was just recently quoted in a thread on testosterone levels and masturbation.

I've never been a woman, so I can't really say with 100% certainty how they experience sexual desire. But my opinion is based upon observable evidence.

Who pays for sex? Men. Even male prostitutes have mainly male patrons. Who consumes the vast majority of porn? Men. Who commits the most rapes? Men. Which sex is it that turns to homosexuality and even homosexual rape when sent to prison? Men.

On the other hand, who uses sex as a way to manipulate people? Women. Ever hear a man tell a women she'd not be "getting lucky" due to her misbehavior? Ever hear of a man sleeping his way to the top?

I'm not, in any way, claiming that women do not enjoy sex. Just that their desire for it isn't as strong as a man's.

So, ladies, tell me why I'm wrong...

Actualy it depends on the woman and the man the woman wants to have sex with, I cant be the only guy here who has said "yeah hold on I need a little while to recharge my balls", most relationships I have been in my partner has been just as sexualy charged as I am. My current girlfriend has to be restrained from whipping my boxers off 24/7, true she is more horny because of the pregnancy, plus the religious can't have sex thing before marraige goes out of the window like all the time.


Maybe I just have that effect and you guys dont have the appeal.:shrug:


peace.

shorty_37
07-03-08, 08:40 PM
I cant be the only guy here who has said "yeah hold on I need a little while to recharge my balls",

peace.

No Nietzschefan must be the second guy here that has said that. ;)

EmptyForceOfChi
07-03-08, 08:46 PM
No Nietzschefan must be the second guy here that has said that. ;)

:) see, it must just depend on the woman and the man the woman is having sex with. If I thought that my partner viewed having sex with me as "going to the movies" I think I would have to tell her no more sex until she changed her attitude.



peace.

shorty_37
07-03-08, 08:49 PM
I think I got less horny though when I was pregnant. :shrug: especially in the later months.

Myles
07-03-08, 08:54 PM
I think I got less horny though when I was pregnant. :shrug: especially in the later months.

I would expect nature to have arranged it otherwise. Being pregnant puts you in nedd of a protector and provider for yourself and your child. Lots of sex should help to keep your partner with you. Otherwise ...