UN: Action to be taken against interpreter for false report that Syria has a nuclear facility (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/18/news/UN-GEN-UN-Syria-Israel.php)
The United Nations said Thursday action would be taken against the interpreter responsible for an erroneous report that Syria has a nuclear facility.
So much for Israel's claim that they bombed a nuclear facility in Syria, and that the building of that facility was assisted by North Korea !

Of Course the game of fitting up Syria has not been given up just yet .
U.N. eyes images of possible Syrian nuke site (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12784361/)
VIENNA, Austria - U.N. experts have received satellite imagery of the site struck last month by Israeli warplanes and are analyzing it for signs that it might have been a secret nuclear facility, diplomats said Friday.
A US/Israeli strike on Syria would constitute a "back-door" strike on Iran, as the 2 countries have a mutual defense pact. And notice that the images "....do not at first examination appear to substantiate reports that the target was a nuclear installation " .

Just recall at the start of Desert Storm, US Intelligence provided photos of Iraq's army massing on the Saudi border to the government of Saudi Arabia in order to win their permission to attack Iraq from Saudi territory. Then satellite images of the same region purchased from a commercial satellite image company that were published in several newspapers showing that there were no Iraqi tanks anywhere to be found.

Just recall at the start of Desert Storm, US Intelligence provided photos of Iraq's army massing on the Saudi border to the government of Saudi Arabia in order to win their permission to attack Iraq from Saudi territory. Then satellite images of the same region purchased from a commercial satellite image company that were published in several newspapers showing that there were no Iraqi tanks anywhere to be found.
Do you have anything to support this?

They can fit them up all they like, but the USofA will bankrupt itself if it starts any other wars.

So much for Israel's claim that they bombed a nuclear facility in Syria, and that the building of that facility was assisted by North Korea !

Of Course the game of fitting up Syria has not been given up just yet .
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The fact that the UN Interpreter Misinterpreted the Syrian Diplomat's 'admission' does NOT mean Syria didn't have or wasn't building Nukes - or that Israel didn't hit them. It means Merely they didn't admit it!

The 'Logic' of some as [anti]-Israel-obsessed title poster on the Loony Left is truly Pathetic.

I have mentioned on other boards, The UN and and even Arab World and Syria have been eerily/conspicuously quiet on this- the story blossoming well after the fact.
It's been SIX WEEKS.

All Syria needed to do in all this time, preferably immediately, for a Propaganda Coup was/is Drag in scores of International officials and TV Cameras to embarrass the Hell of of Israel and prove they hit an "abandoned building" as Syria claims.

Anyone here want to venture why Syria isn't Jumping all over this Layup if they're innocent?
They've even had plenty of time to clean up and even Doctor the scene- but still no disclosure.

Sudan was DElighted, called in the Press post-haste, to show the US/Clinton hit a "Baby Milk" factory not a Chem weapons plant.

Do you have anything to support this?
Of course
Analysis : The Guardian (http://foi.missouri.edu/polinfoprop/nocasusbelli.html)
Heller's curiosity had been aroused in September when she read a report of a commercial satellite - the Soyuz Karta - orbiting and taking pictures over Kuwait. She wanted to see what the only independent pictures would make of the alleged massive build-up of Iraqi troops on the Kuwait/Saudi border. Soyuz Karta agreed to provide them. But no trace of the 265,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks that the US officials said were there could be found in the photographs.
The first casualty of war is the truth .
The fact that the UN Interpreter Misinterpreted the Syrian Diplomat's 'admission' does NOT mean Syria didn't have or wasn't building Nukes - or that Israel didn't hit them. It means Merely they didn't admit it!
Yeah suuuuure take the word of Israel which was behind the flawed intel that Iraq had an Atomic Weapons programme which gave an excuse for the US to invade and Israels current assesment that Iran is attempting to build an A-Bomb . Yeah right sound reasoning .

Yeah suuuuure take the word of Israel which was behind the flawed intel that Iraq had an Atomic Weapons programme which gave an excuse for the US to invade and Israels current assesment that Iran is attempting to build an A-Bomb . Yeah right sound reasoning .

That's a NON-answer wonder boy.

I'm suggesting Syria just end the matter- by opening the site .
As I said, If an annocent site/"abandoned building"- this would Embarrass the Israelis mightily. Game over. Big win.
Syria has every reason TO do that, and None not to, if the site is benign.
In the absence of that action it would be logical to think there's definitely something to hide/Israel is correct.
Not to mention, and as I also said, the eery silence/weeks it took for this story to even get out...
and the fact that Israel would even conduct a risky large raid into Nothern Syria for.. what?

NO, there's no answer to that my Israel hating Friend.

I'm suggesting Syria just end the matter- by opening the site
But the Syrian are allowing the IAEA to visit , and once again America and Israel are being shown up as liars .
No information about undeclared nuclear facility in Syria: IAEA (http://indiainteracts.com/gossip/2007/10/16/7276/No-information-about-undeclared-nuclear-facility-in-Syria-IAEA/)
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has said it did not know about any undeclared nuclear facility in Syria, an indirect rebuke to a recent US news report. The UN nuclear watchdog "has no information about any undeclared nuclear facility in Syria and no information about recent reports," Meilissa Fleming, a spokeswoman for the IAEA, was quoted as saying by the Austrian Press Agency (APA) Monday.

Fleming said that the IAEA "is in contact with the Syrian authorities to verify the authenticity of these reports".

Why because Israel thinks it bombed Syrian nuke facility (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=173887) ? Israel thinks ! Israel has already provided now debunked intel on the non existent Iraqi A-Bomb quest , why should we trust those assholes again .

But the Syrian are allowing the IAEA to visit , and once again America and Israel are being shown up as liars .


Why because Israel thinks it bombed Syrian nuke facility (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=173887) ? Israel thinks ! Israel has already provided now debunked intel on the non existent Iraqi A-Bomb quest , why should we trust those assholes again .

IAEA, Blah blah blah anti-zionist (Cough) boy.

They would have had Televison Cameras there DAY ONE if the site was benign- and showing the "Innocent" casualties as well.
(Who/Which may have included scientists or OUCH, North Koreans).

Oh Baby they know how to make a Press Party/Photo Op when they're in the Right!


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPS

Syrians Disassembling Ruins at Site Bombed by Israel, Officials Say

By Robin Wright and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 19, 2007;

Syria has begun dismantling the remains of a site Israel bombed Sept. 6 in what may be an attempt to Prevent the location from coming under international Scrutiny, said U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the aftermath of the attack.

Based on overhead photography, the officials say the site in Syria's eastern desert near the Euphrates River had a "signature" or characteristics of a small but substantial nuclear reactor, one similar in structure to North Korea's facilities.

The dismantling of the damaged site, which appears to be still underway, could make it Difficult for weapons inspectors to determine the precise nature of the facility and how Syria planned to use it. Syria, which possesses a small reactor used for scientific research, has denied seeking to expand its nuclear program. But U.S. officials knowledgeable about the Israeli raid have described the target as a nuclear facility being constructed with North Korean assistance. ..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101802549.html


No doubt there'll be 6 inch high barley growing, and a falafel stand by the time the IAEA gets there.


NEXT

IAEA, Blah blah blah anti-zionist (Cough) boy.
You clearly wrote here :
I'm suggesting Syria just end the matter- by opening the site
And I gave you proof that Syria was doing just that .
No information about undeclared nuclear facility in Syria: IAEA (http://indiainteracts.com/gossip/2007/10/16/7276/No-information-about-undeclared-nuclear-facility-in-Syria-IAEA/)
Syria joined the IAEA in 1963 and has one small research reactor and some other nuclear facilities for scientific research, all of which were declared to the IAEA and have been under its supervision.
Yet this is unacceptable to you , what do you expect Syria to do allow US and Israeli inspectors to crawl all over Syria .

You clearly wrote here :

And I gave you proof that Syria was doing just that .

Yeah but that's so/more Dishonest Folley.. I'm shocked, NOT.

WHEN they are getting access is the issue.

It's already too late to have any credibility.
In SIX more weeks they could have an elementary school there.

As I said they would have had a Damn party IMMEDIATELY if the site benign.


Yet this is unacceptable to you , what do you expect Syria to do allow US and Israeli inspectors to crawl all over Syria .
No, Just let Anyone Crawl over a site they said was an abandoned building.
No one suggested "All over Syria".

More Dishonest and empty argumentation from Brian exposed.

Keep up the good work/Desperation - you're really doing great.

WHEN they are getting access is the issue.
The IAEA has always had access and the UN has already exposed the interpreter as lying and it is only the US and Israel which is claiming it was a nuclear site .
In SIX more weeks they could have an elementary school there.
If that site had any radioactivity their it would be evident years after the fact .
Keep up the good work/Desperation - you're really doing great.
Shut up you stupid fool .

The fact that the UN Interpreter Misinterpreted the Syrian Diplomat's 'admission' does NOT mean Syria didn't have or wasn't building Nukes

True indeed. In fact, I just wanted to take a moment to remind that this consideration, while it is correct and appropriate, is generally applied only to excuse action against empowerment minorities. If we tried to apply the same device against neoconservatives and the Bush administration, it generally wouldn't fly:

•The "fact" that critics "misinterpreted" the CIA's disclaimer doesn't mean the United States didn't engage in torture.

• The "fact" that the world "misinterpreted" Secretary Powell's speech before the U.N. doesn't mean the United States didn't lie its way into a war.

• The "fact" that people "misinterpreted" administration references to 9/11 and Iraq doesn't mean the Bush Administration never made the comparison.

• The "fact" that David Iglesias "misinterpreted" phone calls from Rep. Wilson and Sen. Domenici doesn't mean Gonzales wasn't running a corrupt DoJ.

Fair is as fair does. Life is like a box of anthrax-laced chocolates..

This is all pointless. Why? If Israel has nukes, she only embarasses herself by destroying Syrian nukes. We have as much a right as Israel to possess nukes. IF they will have them, we need to have them, or be at a major disadvantage.

The IAEA has always had access and the UN has already exposed the interpreter as lying and it is only the US and Israel which is claiming it was a nuclear site .
It was no doubt a Nuclear site.
What do you think that raid was about Fooley?
A joy ride endangering pilots not near any Syrian military base?
Duh!
The fact that they hit it before it went 'hot' doesn't mean it wasn't a Nuke site. A Heavily reinforced Cylindrical Building with another Cooling building next to it.


If that site had any radioactivity their it would be evident years after the fact .
It wasn't finished yet and was 'hot' Thankfully. Though there may habve been some fissionable material ready to go in. Perhaps thats what's taking Syria so Damn long.


Shut up you stupid fool .
I own you piggy boy and I'm crushing your ass in this and other strings.

You can't and never answered most of what I posted including most tellingly why Syria just didn't have a media party at this Benign site.

YOU LOSE!

You clearly wrote here :

And I gave you proof that Syria was doing just that .

Yet this is unacceptable to you , what do you expect Syria to do allow US and Israeli inspectors to crawl all over Syria .

Ignore him. He likes to make up facts, or spit shit out of his mouth and say he "proved you wrong", or more recently, put words into your mouth.



And you have a point. We won't let them do that, nope. The US acts as if it owns the world. It owns nothing but the US.

I own you piggy boy and I'm crushing your ass in this and other strings.

You can't and never answered most of what I posted including most tellingly why Syria just didn't have a media party at this Benign site.

YOU LOSE!

I have just lost what little respect I have for you.

So you think this is about winning or losing, or crushing or whatnot? It's opinion and discussion.

Are you five years old? How childish.

What most childish and disruptive is entering strings you're not in Solely to pile-on/take sides.
My posts are all on topic. Yours are all Personal.
Perhaps you missed Foley's Provocation in the post preceding.

LOL (Lots of Latakia)


Edit// Also will not respond any further to Middle Eastern Children with OFF TOPIC posts in this string
Will only respond TO the topic at hand- lest I be dragged into the Gutter of Norsefire or S.A.M.

What most childish and disruptive is entering strings you're not in Solely to pile-on/take sides.
Perhaps you missed Foley's Provocation in the post preceding.

LOL (Lots of Latakia)

Not really. I entered because it mentioned Syria, and immediately found your ignorant and stupid remarks to boot.

So yes, you are childish, with comments like "beating you" and "YOU LOSE"



And yes, Latakia, my native city, is a beautiful one at that.

What most childish and disruptive is entering strings you're not in Solely to pile-on/take sides.
My posts are all on topic.
Perhaps you missed Foley's Provocation in the post preceding.

LOL (Lots of Latakia)

It doesn't matter whether they are on topic, if you are going to make up ridiculous facts, spit shit out of your mouth, claim you "won" or "lost" or "proved me wrong", or put words into peoples' mouths.

But the Syrian are allowing the IAEA to visit , and once again America and Israel are being shown up as liars .


Why because Israel thinks it bombed Syrian nuke facility (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=173887) ? Israel thinks ! Israel has already provided now debunked intel on the non existent Iraqi A-Bomb quest , why should we trust those assholes again .

IAEA, Blah blah blah anti-zionist (Cough) boy.

They would have had Televison Cameras there DAY ONE if the site was benign- and showing the "Innocent" casualties as well.
(Who/Which may have included scientists or OUCH, North Koreans).

Oh Baby they know how to make a Press Party/Photo Op when they're in the Right!


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPS

Syrians Disassembling Ruins at Site Bombed by Israel, Officials Say

By Robin Wright and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 19, 2007;

Syria has begun dismantling the remains of a site Israel bombed Sept. 6 in what may be an attempt to Prevent the location from coming under international Scrutiny, said U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the aftermath of the attack.

Based on overhead photography, the officials say the site in Syria's eastern desert near the Euphrates River had a "signature" or characteristics of a small but substantial nuclear reactor, one similar in structure to North Korea's facilities.

The dismantling of the damaged site, which appears to be still underway, could make it Difficult for weapons inspectors to determine the precise nature of the facility and how Syria planned to use it. Syria, which possesses a small reactor used for scientific research, has denied seeking to expand its nuclear program. But U.S. officials knowledgeable about the Israeli raid have described the target as a nuclear facility being constructed with North Korean assistance. ..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101802549.html


No doubt there'll be 6 inch high barley growing, and a falafel stand by the time the IAEA gets there.


NEXT

Simply look at you


You do not even take into accordance anything said. And then, you cry NEXT as if your very goal is to prove me wrong, and you think you succeeded.

Absolutely stupid and childish.

To the board and Moderators:
This string is being Disrupted by OFF TOPIC personal posts of Norsefire... now 3 but still counting.
I repeat the attempt to get it back on track below.


But the Syrian are allowing the IAEA to visit , and once again America and Israel are being shown up as liars .


Why because Israel thinks it bombed Syrian nuke facility (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=173887) ? Israel thinks ! Israel has already provided now debunked intel on the non existent Iraqi A-Bomb quest , why should we trust those assholes again .

IAEA, Blah blah blah anti-zionist (Cough) boy.

They would have had Televison Cameras there DAY ONE if the site was benign- and showing the "Innocent" casualties as well.
(Who/Which may have included scientists or OUCH, North Koreans).

Oh Baby they know how to make a Press Party/Photo Op when they're in the Right!


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPS

Syrians Disassembling Ruins at Site Bombed by Israel, Officials Say

By Robin Wright and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 19, 2007;

Syria has begun dismantling the remains of a site Israel bombed Sept. 6 in what may be an attempt to Prevent the location from coming under international Scrutiny, said U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the aftermath of the attack.

Based on overhead photography, the officials say the site in Syria's eastern desert near the Euphrates River had a "signature" or characteristics of a small but substantial nuclear reactor, one similar in structure to North Korea's facilities.

The dismantling of the damaged site, which appears to be still underway, could make it Difficult for weapons inspectors to determine the precise nature of the facility and how Syria planned to use it. Syria, which possesses a small reactor used for scientific research, has denied seeking to expand its nuclear program. But U.S. officials knowledgeable about the Israeli raid have described the target as a nuclear facility being constructed with North Korean assistance. ..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101802549.html


No doubt there'll be 6 inch high barley growing, and a falafel stand by the time the IAEA gets there.


NEXT

Fair is as fair does. Life is like a box of anthrax-laced chocolates..
UNITED NATIONS: The United Nations said Thursday action would be taken against the interpreter responsible for an erroneous report that Syria has a nuclear facility.

Syria denied that one of its representatives told the U.N. General Assembly's committee that deals with disarmament on Tuesday that Israel had attacked a Syrian nuclear facility. It said the representative was misquoted, demanded a correction, and insisted that "such facilities do not exist in Syria."
Not any more. :D

Slam. Dunk. Crater. Smoke. Werd.

Sorry. What were you going on about?

To the board and Moderators:
This string is being Disrupted by OFF TOPIC personal posts of Norsefire... now 3 but still counting.


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This thread was off ever since you started making up shit, and speaking shit, and putting shit in peoples' mouths.

Such as this:

IAEA, Blah blah blah anti-zionist (Cough) boy.

Such arrogance. You think you are always right, so no, it's been far more than 3 from you. Either speak intelligently or shut the fuck up.

You should look at yourself from a third person view. I highly recommend it.

It was no doubt a Nuclear site.
Or a disused Military building as Syria claimed all along .
What do you think that raid was about Fooley?
I clearly addressed that in my thread :
Of Course the game of fitting up Syria has not been given up just yet .A US/Israeli strike on Syria would constitute a "back-door" strike on Iran, as the 2 countries have a mutual defense pactAn attempt to provoke war with Iran .
Perhaps thats what's taking Syria so Damn long.
The IAEA has always had access to Syrias infrastructure
You can't and never answered most of what I posted including most tellingly why Syria just didn't have a media party at this Benign site.
One more time :
Syria denies existence of nuclear site (http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Syria_denies_existence_of_nuclear_site_999.html)
The denial from Damascus came after Israeli media reports said that a Syrian representative to the United Nations had made the remarks at a meeting of a UN committee in New York.
Then it turns out :
UN: Action to be taken against interpreter for false report that Syria has a nuclear facility (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/18/news/UN-GEN-UN-Syria-Israel.php)
The United Nations said Thursday action would be taken against the interpreter responsible for an erroneous report that Syria has a nuclear facility.
A completely erroneous report , another Israeli lie , and no nation is calling for an inspection either .
YOU LOSE!
Yep , just goes to show 12 yeras of schooling just aint enough .
Ignore him. He likes to make up facts, or spit shit out of his mouth and say he "proved you wrong", or more recently, put words into your mouth.
I know he is wrong , you do and others and even those who disagree with me , actually avoid backing him up .

Or a disused Military building as Syria claimed all along .
They would gladly show that off.
Even Jerks like you must give Isaeli intelligence more credit than that.


The IAEA has always had access to Syrias infrastructure Not THIS Infrastructure, Not yet
THAT'S the point.

and you Still Lose it.

They would gladly show that off.
Even Jerks like you must give Isaeli intelligence more credit than that.

Not THIS Infrastructure, Not yet
THAT'S the point.

and you Still Lose it.

American intelligence is powerful, no doubt.


Now, as I've said, all of this is irrelevant. Case is, it was an illegal attack, and a hypocritical one. How can she attack us for SUPPOSED nukes, when she has nukes herself?

Or a disused Military building as Syria claimed all along .

I clearly addressed that in my thread :
An attempt to provoke war with Iran .

The IAEA has always had access to Syrias infrastructure

One more time :

Then it turns out :

A completely erroneous report , another Israeli lie , and no nation is calling for an inspection either .

Yep , just goes to show 12 yeras of schooling just aint enough .

I know he is wrong , you do and others and even those who disagree with me , actually avoid backing him up .

The Mossad don't make mistakes.

Israeli commandos seized nuclear material of North Korean origin during a daring raid on a secret military site in Syria before Israel bombed it this month, according to informed sources in Washington and Jerusalem.


A senior Syrian official, Sayeed Elias Daoud, director of the Syrian Arab Ba’ath party, flew to North Korea via Beijing last Thursday, reinforcing the belief among foreign diplomats that the two nations are coordinating their response to the Israeli strike.


Jane’s Defence Weekly reported last week that dozens of Iranian engineers and Syrians were killed in July attempting to load a chemical warhead containing mustard gas onto a Scud missile. The Scuds and warheads are of North Korean design and possibly manufacture, and there are recent reports that North Koreans were helping the Syrians to attach airburst chemical weapons to warheads.

The Mossad don't make mistakes.
Nah they make horrendous Fuck ups instead like providing the Intelligence on Iraqs non existent WMD ! BTW did you ever find out what happened to your claim of 1.5 million tonnes of Iraqi WMD being hidden ;)

The fact is Folly.
You were Unable to answer my posts in this string

Syria is NOT coming clean- at least not until Months after the fact, while they dismantle the Nuke site Israel hit.

The whole premise of your string was a Lie.

Syria was and is hiding smoething and Israel certainly didn't fly a dangerous mission to hit an abandoned building.

The fact is Folly.
You were Unable to answer my posts in this string

Syria is NOT coming clean- at least not until Months after the fact, while they dismantle the Nuke site Israel hit.

The whole premise of your string was a Lie.

Syria was and is hiding smoething and Israel certainly didn't fly a dangerous mission to hit an abandoned building.

You know, It could be just that Israel was looking to bomb syria, and didn't care about the reason.
Same thing happened with Iraq .. Remember ?

The "fact" is the only seemingly neutral point of view we have here is IAEA, which shouldn't be dismissed just because it's neutral.

You know, It could be just that Israel was looking to bomb syria, and didn't care about the reason.
Same thing happened with Iraq .. Remember ?

The "fact" is the only seemingly neutral point of view we have here is IAEA, which shouldn't be dismissed just because it's neutral.


Yet the IAEA's own detailed reports show that Iraq's nuclear scientists are still in place, that key nuclear weapons components remain unaccounted for, that major gaps still exist in Iraqi reporting of its postwar nuclear weapon design work and that Iraq's clandestine procurement of nuclear equipment and materials continues.

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Iran-IAEA-Issues.asp

Typical 12 year old logic, the IAEA doesn't have access to Military instalations in Syria, especially top secreat instalations, Hell they can't even get into Irans Military sites to inspect, and we know that they are working on nuclear facilities,

Apparently calling into question Iran’s claims that its nuclear program has no military dimension, the report says that the uranium project, high-explosives tests, and re-entry vehicle design all have a possible “military nuclear dimension and appear to have administrative connections.” This claim is based partly on the fact that the relevant documentation was all found on the laptop.

The intelligence also indicates that Tehran has conducted “tests related to high-explosives and the design of a missile re-entry vehicle,” Heinonen said. A State Department official told Arms Control Today in August 2005 that the United States has what it believes to be documentary evidence suggesting that Iran is attempting to develop a nuclear-weapon payload for its medium-range Shahab-3 ballistic missile. (See ACT, September 2005.)

Polonium-210 Experiments

The IAEA has also not been able to resolve residual uncertainties regarding Iran ’s experiments involving the separation of polonium-210, which is a radioisotope that can help trigger a nuclear chain reaction in certain types of nuclear weapons. ElBaradei reported in November 2004 that the IAEA is “somewhat uncertain regarding the plausibility” of Iran’s claim that the experiments were not for nuclear weapons because the civilian applications of polonium-210 are “very limited.”

Can someone tell me why my post was deleted?

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Iran-IAEA-Issues.asp

Typical 12 year old logic, the IAEA doesn't have access to Military instalations in Syria, especially top secreat instalations, Hell they can't even get into Irans Military sites to inspect, and we know that they are working on nuclear facilities,

Apparently calling into question Iran’s claims that its nuclear program has no military dimension, the report says that the uranium project, high-explosives tests, and re-entry vehicle design all have a possible “military nuclear dimension and appear to have administrative connections.” This claim is based partly on the fact that the relevant documentation was all found on the laptop.

The intelligence also indicates that Tehran has conducted “tests related to high-explosives and the design of a missile re-entry vehicle,” Heinonen said. A State Department official told Arms Control Today in August 2005 that the United States has what it believes to be documentary evidence suggesting that Iran is attempting to develop a nuclear-weapon payload for its medium-range Shahab-3 ballistic missile. (See ACT, September 2005.)

Polonium-210 Experiments

The IAEA has also not been able to resolve residual uncertainties regarding Iran ’s experiments involving the separation of polonium-210, which is a radioisotope that can help trigger a nuclear chain reaction in certain types of nuclear weapons. ElBaradei reported in November 2004 that the IAEA is “somewhat uncertain regarding the plausibility” of Iran’s claim that the experiments were not for nuclear weapons because the civilian applications of polonium-210 are “very limited.”

All i said was that IAEA's POV was neutral, Doesn't mean that its effective, but if pressure can be put on syria to allow IAEA total access then so be it.
But thanks to the intelligence failures from the US and western sources...

Right now, in my eyes ,the IAEA is looking alot more credible than the intelligence from the US. (which was part of the reason Israel mounted that raid)

No the Intelligence was from the Israelis, they brought out nuclear material from the site, and shared the material and the information with the U.S., it wasn't a U.S. operation, it seems we were caught unaware of the fact that Assad and Syria were playing with nukes.

stlimc.org : http://www.stlimc.org

News :: Civil and Human Rights
Israel gets samples of Syrian Nuclear material before air strikeAuthor

This work is in the public domain.
ISRAELI commandos from the elite Sayeret Matkal unit - almost certainly dressed in Syrian uniforms - made their way stealthily towards a secret military compound near Dayr az-Zawr in northern Syria. They were looking for proof that Syria and North Korea were collaborating on a nuclear programme.

Israel() had been surveying the site for months, according to Washington and Israeli sources. President George W Bush was told during the summer that Israeli intelligence suggested North Korean personnel and nuclear-related material were at the Syrian site.

But Washington was not satisfied. It demanded clear evidence of nuclear-related activities before giving the operation its blessing. The task of the commandos was to provide it.

Today the site near Dayr az-Zawr lies in ruins after it was pounded by Israeli F15Is on September 6. Before the Israelis issued the order to strike, the commandos had secretly seized samples of nuclear material and taken them back into Israel for examination by scientists, the sources say. A laboratory confirmed that the unspecified material was North Korean in origin. America approved an attack.

News of the secret ground raid is the latest piece of the jigsaw to emerge about the mysterious Israeli airstrike. Israel has imposed a news blackout, but has not disguised its satisfaction with the mission. The incident also reveals the extent of the cooperation between America and Israel over nuclear-related security issues in the Middle East. The attack on what Israeli defence sources now call the "North Korean project" appears to be part of a wider, secret war against the nonconventional weapons ambitions of Syria and North Korea which, along with Iran, appears to have been forging a new "axis of evil".

President Bush refused to comment on the air attack last week, but warned North Korea that "the exportation of information and/or materials" could jeopard-ise plans to give North Korea food aid, fuel and diplomatic recognition in exchange for ending its nuclear programmes.

Diplomats in North Korea and China said they believed a number of North Koreans were killed in the raid, noting that ballistic missile technicians and military scientists had been working for some time with the Syrians.

A senior Syrian official, Sayeed Elias Daoud, director of the Syrian Arab Ba'ath party, flew to North Korea via Beijing last Thursday, reinforcing the belief among foreign diplomats that the two nations are coordinating their response to the Israeli strike.

The growing assumption that North Korea suffered direct casualties in the raid appears to be based largely on the regime's unusually strident propaganda on an issue far from home. But there were also indications of conversations between Chinese and North Korean officials and intelligence reports reaching Asian governments that supported the same conclusion, diplomats said.

Jane's Defence Weekly reported last week that dozens of Iranian engineers and Syrians were killed in July attempting to load a chemical warhead containing mustard gas onto a Scud missile. The Scuds and warheads are of North Korean design and possibly manufacture, and there are recent reports that North Koreans were helping the Syrians to attach airburst chemical weapons to warheads.

In December last year, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al Seyassah quoted European intelligence sources in Brussels as saying that Syria was engaged in an advanced nuclear programme in its northeastern province.

Critics of Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president, believe he has shown poor judgment since succeeding his father Hafez, Syria's long-time dictator, in 2000. According to David Schenker, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, he has provoked the enmity of almost all Syria's neighbours and turned his country into a "client" of Iran.

The unusual silence about the airstrikes amazed Israelis, who are used to talkative politicians. But it did not surprise the defence community. "Most Israeli special operations remain unknown," said a defence source.

More importantly, questions remain about the precise nature of the material seized and about Syria's intentions. Was Syria hiding North Korean nuclear equipment while Pyongyang prepared for six-party talks aimed at securing an end to its nuclear weapons programme in return for security guarantees and aid? Did Syria want to arm its own Scuds with a nuclear device?

Or could the material have been destined for Iran as John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the United Nations, has suggested? And just how deep is Syrian and North Korean nuclear cooperation anyway?

China abruptly postponed a session of the nuclear disarmament talks last week because it feared America might confront the North Koreans over their weapons deals with Syria, according to sources close to the Chinese foreign ministry. Negotiations have been rescheduled for this Thursday in Beijing after assurances were given that all sides wished them to be "constructive" .

The outlines of a long-term arms relationship between the North Koreans and the Syrians are now being reexamined by intelligence experts in several capitals. Diplomats in Pyongyang have said they believe reports that about a dozen Syrian technicians were killed in a massive explosion and railway crash in North Korea on April 22, 2004.

Teams of military personnel wearing protective suits were seen removing debris from the section of the train in which the Syrians were travelling, according to a report quoting military sources that appeared in a Japanese newspaper. Their bodies were flown home by a Syrian military cargo plane that was spotted shortly after the explosion at Pyongyang airport.


"If it is proved that Kim Jong-il sold fissile material to Syria in breach of every red line the Americans have drawn for him, what does that mean?" asked one official. The results of tests on whatever the Israelis may have seized from the Syrian site could therefore be of enormous significance.

If Israeli intelligence is all powerful, why are they still saying Iraq has WMDs ?
Why also did they state that nuclear weapons matierial would be present at the building of a project rather than at the end of a project.
Has the IAEA looked at this intelligence ? have they made a neutral ruling ?

If Israeli intelligence is all powerful, why are they still saying Iraq has WMDs ?
Why also did they state that nuclear weapons matierial would be present at the building of a project rather than at the end of a project.
Has the IAEA looked at this intelligence ? have they made a neutral ruling ?

YOU are not 16.:mad:

YOU are not 16.:mad:

http://www.juancole.com/2007/10/close-israeli-intelligence-behind-syria.html

Apologies, that came out rather badly ... Perhaps this link will help..

The fact is Folly.
You were Unable to answer my posts in this string

Syria is NOT coming clean- at least not until Months after the fact, while they dismantle the Nuke site Israel hit.

The whole premise of your string was a Lie.

Syria was and is hiding smoething and Israel certainly didn't fly a dangerous mission to hit an abandoned building.

Certainly not, but of course unless they didn't know that. It isn't what it is, but what they think it is.


Now, that's not the point. You are acting as if Syria is evil and Israel is good. Scramble that whole idea.

Why should Syria come clean? Why can't Syria develop it's own weaponry and fortify itself? The US does. Israel does. Iran does. China does. Russia does.

So why not Syria? It makes no sense. You are acting as if they need to, as if the US of A is the world boss, but the fact is the USA is the boss of no one but itself. They cannot decide what is right and wrong, that's up to the believer.

Certainly not, but of course unless they didn't know that. It isn't what it is, but what they think it is.

Now, that's not the point. You are acting as if Syria is evil and Israel is good. Scramble that whole idea.

Why should Syria come clean? Why can't Syria develop it's own weaponry and fortify itself? The US does. Israel does. Iran does. China does. Russia does.

Why not indeed- except they'd be in Violation of a treaty they signed.
And now are Lying ouright.

Pictures at link below

SYRIA UPDATE: SUSPECTED REACTOR SITE DISMANTLED

David Albright, Paul Brannan, and Jacqueline Shire

THE INSTITUTE FOR SCIENCE AND INTERNATIONAL SECURITY
OCTOBER 25, 2007

ISIS has obtained Commercial satellite imagery from DigitalGlobe taken on October 24, 2007 that shows the suspected reactor construction building completely removed and the ground scraped (Figure 2).

ISIS released a report on October 23, 2007 that featured DigitalGlobe imagery from August 10, 2007 showing the suspected reactor construction site of the September 6, 2007 Israeli raid inside Syria. A comparison of these two images effectively confirms that this site was indeed the target of the Israeli raid (Figures 1 through 6).

The pump house and secondary structure still remain in the October 24, 2007imagery, but the suspected reactor building has been razed to the ground (Figures 2 and 6). Dismantling and removing the building at such a Rapid pace dramatically complicates any inspection of the facilities and suggests that Syria may be trying to hide what was there. Iraq followed a similar strategy in the 1991 after the first Gulf War, though eventually the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and UN inspectors pieced together a full picture of Iraq’s activities. Iran razed the site at Lavizan and insisted that no prohibited nuclear activity was conducted at the facility.

Tractors or Bulldozers can be seen in the October 24 imagery where the suspected reactor building once stood. Scrape marks can be seen around the razed part of the site.

There also appears to be a trench in the October 24, 2007 imagery that is better defined than in the August 10, 2007 imagery. This trench may be more visible as a result of the Syrians digging up buried pipelines running from the pump station to the now-gone suspected reactor construction building. Because of a more prominent shadow in the October 24, 2007 imagery, there appears to be evidence of an underground portion of the suspect reactor building.

Safeguards Issues
An important question is whether Syria may be in violation of its agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency...."

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/SyriaUpdate25October2007.pdf

Lotsa Pictures, scraped and bulldozing away at Link above.
Format (.doc) is difficult to post them here but I may add others to this message

We have as much a right as Israel to possess nukes.

No, you don't. Syria signed away any claim of the right to develop nuclear weapons when they joined the NPT. Israel, on the other hand, did not.


IF they will have them, we need to have them, or be at a major disadvantage.

Indeed, Syria is at a major disadvantage. That's why Israel can bomb Syria's nuclear facilities at will, without fear of retaliation.

Syria's disadvantage is itself.

Syria has existed for far longer a period of time than has Israel.

Yet Syria is Israel's chronic inferior in so many ways.

Sometimes failure is what it is, all by itself.

All too frequently.

More so than Syrians are willing to admit.