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A new 9-11 video was screened last night in Sacramento, California, leaving the audience stunned. '911 in Plane Site' is basically presented in two parts. The first segment is 52 minutes and designed for showing on television with the balance of a one hour time slot reserved for commercials. Part II continues with more film and analysis. This video is digitally mastered making details sharp and clear.

'911 in Plane Site' presents actual film from that fateful day and careful analysis focusing on the Pentagon and the two World Trade Center buildings. By slowing down the actual news feeds that day from networks like CNN, FOX, the BBC and others, what you see is quite different from what most people saw in "real time" that day. Live footage from the Pentagon and what was missed by most because of the smoke and confusion was captured up close by the media. Following the showing, a retired vet remarked, "How did we miss this all this time? I've seen media clips of the front of that building [the Pentagon] many times, but I wasn't really seeing what was there. I feel sick."

more: http://newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive34.htm

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I personally never cared to watch American news or show compassion for an American population. Because I never cared to watch any of the footage, I wouldn't know anything at this time... when my good fellow conspirators are able to address it and I have ample information to participate, I will do what I may. For now I leave you with this:

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. ... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
*- Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864

So what did they do with the twin towers?

They hired david copperfield to make them magically disappear?

It doesn't say the twin towers disappeared, only that there was a flash of light recorded by ALL cameras from DIFFERENT angles BEFORE the planes "hit".

Surely, remember this:
"no conclusions or accusations are made by the commentator."

Is this going to be made available for others to see?

It doesn't say the twin towers disappeared, only that there was a flash of light recorded by ALL cameras from DIFFERENT angles BEFORE the planes "hit".


So the airplanes hitting was just a distraction?????

A distraction to hide the fact that there were already 2 bombs planted exactly where the planes were going to hit?

Were there any airplanes then? was that a magic trick?

Without seeing their footage, it's hard to say.

Although, having seen various bits of other footage, and having friends who live and work in NYC, I have no questions or doubts about the event.

I don't think thei bunch of conspiracy theroists are going to change my position either, but if I get a chance, I'll watch their film.

There are certainly many questions about what happened on 9.11.2001, but one of the most interesting notes I've come across is the "security camera" issue, which asserts that a nearby security camera caught imagery of another plane (asserted probable F-16) actually attacking the Pentagon. Theories about this are scattered, variously attempting to explain the idea that the 757 did not actually hit the Pentagon itself but the ground directly adjacent; eyewitness accounts of the flightpath versus knocked-over telephone poles allegedly caused by an airplane, &c., &c. One page I came across implies the F-16 perished in the event, while another goes so far as to theorize that the jet made it through the explosion and stole away in the confusion. This last, of course, is unreasonable by any measure, although I must admit the images, if not necessarily the analyses, are interesting. Note the Rumsfeld quote included in the following:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp110104pentagon.jpg
One theory: UAV attack?
(Click here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/011104pentagonmystery.html))

What really bugs me is that none of the analyses claiming hoaxes are able to keep that scrabbling, sweating sense of wild conspiracy theorists out of it.

After spending the last hour and a half absolutely fascinated by pictures I'd never bothered to look at before, the strongest echo is the desperation. That's unfortunate, because some of what these folks are going on about is stuff I remember from that very day. But ... such is life.

The magnitude of such a conspiracy as asserted is nearly unbelievable in itself. Of course, this administration has conducted itself in all matters, and defied the bounds of decency so ambitiously that if, someday, one of these conspiracy theories is proven true, I won't be surprised.

Ah!! I love this stuff conspiracy theories is my thing since 9-11. I used to collect thousand of stories and store them on CD. I still have a few hanging around, lately I've grown tired of them, since my pc is getting old and freezing constantly, I've been concentrating only in just reading about them.

But lets take an observatory look of history and how many conspiracy theories turned out to be in fact, factual occurances of our government. take a look here (http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html)

It's a long read but well worth the time, that is if you like the conspiracy buff material.

Godless.

Can anyone here tell me what happened to the Black Boxes that were on the planes? :confused: I also have heard that all of the "hijackers" arent really dead


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Buildings fell as if they were an implosion? No, I think we've all seen the footage often enough, they fell because the structural members gave way under the heat of the fire and the upper stories collapsed onto the lower ones. How does that resemble an implosion?

Can anyone here tell me what happened to the Black Boxes that were on the planes?

They were recovered. They're mentioned as evidence in the 9/11 commission report. Federal law prohibits the playing of cockpit voice recordings, by the way, a fact which conspiracy theorists just have to love.

I imagine the hijackers were stuffed into the same building as the Roswell UFO and the alien autopsy remains. Perhaps they can amuse themselves by chatting with Lee Harvey Oswald, Oliver Stone, and the latest visitors from Alpha Centauri. :-)

they fell because the structural members gave way under the heat of the fire and the upper stories collapsed onto the lower ones. How does that resemble an implosion?

That's true, but actually the towers fell for slightly different reasons. The South Tower collapse was due to outer structure integrity loss, and close examination of the collapse footage reveals that the inner "core" structure actually stood on its own for a few moments. The North Tower's inner structure collapsed first, as noted in the footage by the fact that the television antenna can be seen to fall inwards slightly ahead of the outer structure.

It's interesting to note why the North Tower collapsed after the South Tower, even though it was actually hit first. This appears to be due to the fact that the second impact was off-center, causing greater structural integrity damage to one wall of the South Tower.

This is all covered in depth in an excellent 2002 episode of Nova called "Why the Towers Fell", which is available for rental from many outlets including Netflix. Highly recommended.

http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?trkid=73&movieid=60026096


The problem with conspiracy theories about 9/11 is that they *require* denial of scientific evidence. It's really quite sad that people find this sort of thing so necessary.

some interesting notes;

01. Bush’s Puzzling Reaction - Why did Bush just sit there in the 2nd grade classroom reading for 25 minutes?

02. No Immediate Jet Scramble - Why was Flight 77 not intercepted after 1 hr 45 min of flying off course?

03. Collapse of the Twin Towers - Could this be the first time ever that a steel skyscraper has collapsed due to fire?

04. Collapse of the Twin Towers - How can the ‘Pancake Theory’ account for lower floors resistance at 10.4 seconds?

05. Collapse of the Twin Towers - Why does the thermal data indicate ‘hot spots’ weeks after their collapse?

06. Mysterious Collapse of Building 7 - Why did Building 7 come down if no airplane hit it, nor any debris fell on it?

07. Attack on the Pentagon - Flight 77 - Why was there so little damage done and such a small amount of debris?

08. Attack on the Pentagon - Flight 77 - Why has the Pentagon only released 5 frames out of all the video tapes?

09. Flight 93 Crashed in Pennsylvania - Why was crash debris so small and spread out over a 5 mile swath?

THE BACKGROUND
10. Intelligence Warnings - Why did Bush ignore an unprecedented # of intelligence warnings 3 months prior to 9/11?

11. Intelligence Warnings - Why did the FBI & CIA ignore Agents C. Rowley, Kenneth Williams & Robert Wright?

12. Precedents - the 1993 WTC Car Bombing - Why did the FBI Agent John Anticev pay Edam Salem $1.5M?

13. 9/11 and the War Agenda - What is the Project for a New American Century? (www.newamericancentury.org)

14. History of War-triggering Deceptions - Why was Bush Sr. not incarcerated for the 1991 Incubator Baby Scam?

15. History of War-triggering Deceptions - Why did FDR knowingly let the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor (1941)?

16. History of War-triggering Deceptions - Has the military been planning another Operation Northwoods (1962)?

17. Al Qaeda and the Intelligence Ploy - Why didn’t CIA arrest bin Laden in Dubai (July) & Rawalpindi (Sep 10)?

18. Al Qaeda and the Intelligence Ploy - Why was the 9/11 Money Man (Gen. Mahmoud) visiting DC on Sep 4-13?

19. Al Qaeda and the Intelligence Ploy - Why was J. Michael Springmann issuing US visas to Saudi terrorists?

20. Al Qaeda and the Intelligence Ploy - Why did Pakistan’s ISI air-lift Al Qaeda to safety Nov 2001 - Jan 02?

21. The Bush and Bin Laden Family Ties - Why was Bush Sr. meeting bin Laden’s brother at the Ritz on 9/11?

THE AFTERMATH
22. Manufacturing Terror - How did anthrax produced at an American weapon’s lab end up on T. Daschle’s desk?

23. Installing a Police State - Why would they pass the PATRIOT Act before everyone had a chance to read it?

24. The Coverup - Why was key evidence for the WTC site and Pentagon destroyed by the US Government?

25. Investigative Commissions - Why did it take 411 days to form the 9/11 Commission when others took 7 days?

26. The Motives - Profits of Death: Financial Scams - Why was there 1200% more ‘puts’ on UA & AA on 9/11?


there is a very good powerpoint presentation with graphics and graphs (data) on these anamolies, you may visit it at:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/WOO404A.html

What I found odd about the Pentagon attack was that the aircraft is obviously not a 757:

This is a 757. (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=638219&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIDc1Ny0yMjMvRVQ%3D&WdsYXMg=QW1lcmljYW4gQWlybGluZXM%3D&QtODMg=TWFuY2hlc3RlciAtIEludGVybmF0aW9uYWwgKFJpbmd 3YXkpIChNQU4gLyBFR0NDKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=VUsgLSBFbmdsYW5k&ktODMp=QXVndXN0IDEsIDIwMDQ%3D&BP=0&WNEb25u=U3RlcGhlbiBQb3ludG9u&xsIERvdWdsY=TjY5MUFB&MgTUQtODMgKE=Q2Fub24xMEQgU2lnbWE1MC01MDBtbQ%3D%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=MzY3&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwNC0wOC0xMw%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=MjU2OTcvNTY4&static=yes)
This also is a AA 757. (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=636812&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIDc1Ny0yMjM%3D&WdsYXMg=QW1lcmljYW4gQWlybGluZXM%3D&QtODMg=TWlhbWkgLSBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIChNSUEgLyBLTUl BKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=VVNBIC0gRmxvcmlkYQ%3D%3D&ktODMp=RmVicnVhcnkgMjAsIDIwMDQ%3D&BP=0&WNEb25u=QW5kcmV3IEh1bnQgLSBBaXJUZWFtSW1hZ2Vz&xsIERvdWdsY=TjY4M0E%3D&MgTUQtODMgKE=QW1lcmljYW4gYXJlIHRoZSBkb21pbmFudCBjY XJyaWVyIGF0IE1JQSwgYnV0IHRoYXQgc3RpbGwgYWxsb3dzIGZ vciBzb21lIG5pY2UgcGhvdG8gb3BwcyEgKEZ1amkgUzEgUHJvK Q%3D%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=NzU2&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwNC0wOC0xMA%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=MjUzNDAvNDkx&static=yes)
This is an American 757. (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=640484&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIDc1Ny0yMjM%3D&WdsYXMg=QW1lcmljYW4gQWlybGluZXM%3D&QtODMg=VmFuY291dmVyIC0gSW50ZXJuYXRpb25hbCAoWVZSIC8 gQ1lWUik%3D&ERDLTkt=Q2FuYWRhIC0gQnJpdGlzaCBDb2x1bWJpYQ%3D%3D&ktODMp=SnVseSAyOCwgMjAwNA%3D%3D&BP=1&WNEb25u=S2F6aW0gQWxpa2hhbiAtIHl5enNwb3R0ZXI%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=TjYyNkFB&MgTUQtODMgKE=TG9va2luZyB2ZXJ5IHNoaW55IGFzIHNoZSBnZ XRzIHRoZSBhbGwgY2xlYXIgdG8gaGVhZCBvdXQuIFRha2VuIGZ yb20gbXkgcm9vbSBhdCB0aGUgRmFpcm1vbnQgaG90ZWw%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=MzAx&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwNC0wOC0xNg%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=MjQ1ODQvMzA0&static=yes)
This is another American 757. (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=638283&WxsIERv=Qm9laW5nIDc1Ny0yMjM%3D&WdsYXMg=QW1lcmljYW4gQWlybGluZXM%3D&QtODMg=TWlhbWkgLSBJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIChNSUEgLyBLTUl BKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=VVNBIC0gRmxvcmlkYQ%3D%3D&ktODMp=QXVndXN0IDIsIDIwMDQ%3D&BP=1&WNEb25u=RmFicmljZSBOZWxzb24%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=TjYxNkFB&MgTUQtODMgKE=U2V2ZXJlIGxpbmUgb2YgdGh1bmRlcnN0b3Jtc yBsb29tIGluIHRoZSBiYWNrZ3JvdW5kIHdoaWxlIHRoaXMgYWl yY3JhZnQgcHJlcGFyZXMgZm9yIHRha2VvZmYgb24gUldZIDEy&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=MTU0&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwNC0wOC0xMw%3D%3D&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=MjQ1MjQvMjQ4&static=yes)

That picture, and video (which I have seen) is not a 757. Unless the 757 is known to shrink and not to have underwing engines.

I don't believe there is any video footage of the UA77 crash into the Pentagon. There are still pictures taken from a security camera, but it doesn't show an airplane. It was just moving too fast for the single-frame camera to catch.

Many of the conspiracy sites get pretty outlandish, making wild claims about debris in the wrong places and even using trumped-up "pictures" that don't even bother to try and be accurate (like comparing a picture of a 757 to the wall of the Pentagon, without bothering to correct for scale).

The 9/11 Commission report includes *eyewitness testimony* of the 757 striking the Pentagon. That really ought to be good enough, even if there wasn't a ton of other evidence.

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

(like comparing a picture of a 757 to the wall of the Pentagon, without bothering to correct for scale)

I'd be curious to see that image. I came across one that I'll go fish for that claims to be properly scaled. It's somewhere in about fifty pages I went through last night, so ... I'll try to dig it up.

Well, here's one, from this page:
http://www.billstclair.com/Serendipity/wtcm040419/wtc3.htm

http://www.billstclair.com/Serendipity/wtcm040419/wot/sozen.pentagon_1.jpg

Compare with the ones on this page, which appear to my naked eye to be fairly accurate:
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/Pentagon/Plane/size.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/Pentagon/Plane/exp-with-757.jpg

Not that it really matters, I suppose.

To me at least I think the engines should have been sheered off well before the aircraft hit the Pentagon. Also I don’t believe that almost nothing was left of the aircraft, I’ve seen the picture of the twisted piece of metal with AA colors on it, not very convincing. The aircraft was flying so low it would have taken a very good pilot with a lot of experience at extreme low level flight to accomplish that feat. The pictures imo do not show a 757, it is too small, even if the aircraft was going at high speed, I should at least been able to figure out a silhouette of something like that or even a tailfin, nothing. Highly suspicious.

One thing that might be helpful to you would be to look at the NTSB, 9/11 Commission, and other non-partisan, non-ideological sources. Almost inevitably the 9/11 conspiracy sites are anti-Bush, anti-war, or far left in some way.

I suppose in the final analysis it's probably a healthy thing to have these conspiracy sites, even if they are pretty ridiculous. The price of freedom and all that.

One thing that might be helpful to you would be to look at the NTSB, 9/11 Commission, and other non-partisan, non-ideological sources. Almost inevitably the 9/11 conspiracy sites are anti-Bush, anti-war, or far left in some way.

All government sponsored agencies Pangloss, common here. Does the Warren Commission ring a bell? It could be B.S. gov’t is not going to say 3 years after “It was us”…am I saying that the US gov’t did 9/11? No, I don’t believe she did, but is it a possibility hell yes.

I suppose in the final analysis it's probably a healthy thing to have these conspiracy sites, even if they are pretty ridiculous. The price of freedom and all that.

I am sorry I didn’t need a conspiracy site to tell that the 757 assertion is highly questionable.

I believe this is the site from which the video is being sold.

http://www.911inplanesite.com/

Raises a lot of interesting questions on there for a little stimulation..

planes crashed into the towers, I don't care if goverment conspericy or alkada made 4 planes loaded with civilans crash, destroying two buildings and damage one, it happend any saying that it did not is complety out of reality.
to psuedoscience with this!

p.s Forgive me I don't have spell check on a internet cafe computer.

WellCookedFetus

You are unfortunately mistaken. No one in this thread is saying it did not happen.

I would advise you to actually read the posts before making such comments.

I have a question. Why do the engines seem offset in this pic? (at the bottom of the page)
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http://www.911inplanesite.com/cnn.html
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There seems to be a slight lean in the plane, but I think the engines would be less offset, and opposite of what is shown here. Am I missing something?
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I think it merely has to do with the angle of the plane to the camera. Do it with your hands--make a horizontal with one hand, put your other hand vertically behind the one and twist it back and forth on its axes, watching where your knuckles are in relation to the horizontal line. Eventually, you'll create a similar visual effect.

If you were to believe in causality, you could suggest talking about an event, videoing an event and generating memorials or tributes potentially adds to what ever the event once was...

"When I die, if you were to quote me, make sure you do so correctly and not give a date I died, but a X in its place. Then by shear luck you can quote me while alive without fear of adding to causality" Stryderunknown (1977-X)

:p

Yes, similar but this is no visual effect.

The tilt of the plane might change perspective but the angle of those engines are not even close to being a mere visual effect.

One engine is both closer and longer than the other. That would be one fantastic effect to achieve this..

The tilt of the plane might change perspective but the angle of those engines are not even close to being a mere visual effect.

According to the lens of the eye, or the unknown lens of a camera? That's the only other thing that leaps to mind at this point.

The security image is obviously a fake. Just look at the time code.. Wrong day wrong time??

All government sponsored agencies Pangloss, common here. Does the Warren Commission ring a bell? It could be B.S. gov’t is not going to say 3 years after “It was us”…am I saying that the US gov’t did 9/11? No, I don’t believe she did, but is it a possibility hell yes.

But you take information from known partisan sources all the time, Undecided. What's wrong with considering one more? :-)

You have to admit I have a point here. Can't kill ya to hear the evidence.

But you take information from known partisan sources all the time, Undecided.

Sorry but I don’t use Tripod sites, I use sites that are accredited as much as I can so I don’t buy that. Don’t degrade my sources please, they are very good and non-partisan most of the time.

What's wrong with considering one more? :-)

Would you believe a Soviet commission? I wouldn’t, do you believe the Warren Commission I don’t. Only time will tell, only time will tell.

You have to admit I have a point here.

Really…seemed to have missed it.

Can't kill ya to hear the evidence.

Ditto…

But I've heard yours. The question is will you listen to the other point of view?

You didn't ignore the Warren Commission, you listened to what they had to say and then you made a decision. What's wrong with doing that again?

So what happened to the flights with passengers that were attributed to the three crashes? Did these three aircraft and passengers not exist? Did they safely land and put all the passengers in the Witness Protection Program and paint over the tail numbers? Were they destroyed and killed elsewhere? If so, why not simply crash them into the targets anyway?

Also, as a pseudoscience topic, this conspiracy theory fits only marginally. I'd hate to think that Pseudoscience is the destination for any whacked theory, idea, or contention. Isn't there a cesspool?

I have a question. Why do the engines seem offset in this pic? (at the bottom of the page)
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http://www.911inplanesite.com/cnn.html
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The material on that site is absurd. I know an American Airlines pilot, who lost friends on Sept 11th. All that site proves, is that eye-witness testimony can be incredibly misleading.

The footage is such poor quality no conclusions can be drawn, and I can't see a 'pod' or a 'flash' or anything that would seem unexpected considering the extraordinary events.

They call buying their films 'making a donation', where is the money going? I'd love to know, because it seems these goons are profiteering on someone else's tragedy.

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SwissAir flight 111 - Sept. 2 1998 (9/1+1/98
*EGYPT AIR 990 (90X11) ON THE EVE OF 11/1/99 CRASHED
*EGYPT AIR 990 WAS 1 Year, 10 Months, and 11 Days BEFORE 9/11/01
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1 month 12 days after the start of the RNC is 10/12 Aleister Crowley's birthday

Aleister Crowley died 12/1
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92 days after Aug 31 is 12/1 Aleister Crowley's death date

Aug 30th is 92 weeks 1 day from 6/6/06

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on JAN 22nd 2003 (1/22/03 and 101 days after aleister crowley's birthday) INFOWARS HOST ALEX JONES has TEXE MARRS on talking about government and occult conspiracy in NASA (prior to the columbia disaster) he predicts an attack/disaster during this interview.
this audio file is available on kazaa.

10 days after this interview NASA's COLUMBIA shuttle disaster

on FEB 5th 2003, Alex interviews Illuminati and occult expert Texe Marrs on NASA's occult symbolism and numerology as it relates to Columbia
http://www.prisonplanet.com/marrs_02_05_03.mp3

(111 days after aleister crowley's birthday is COLUMBIA DISASTER)
(222 days after columbia disaster is 9/11)
(333 days after columbia disaster is 1/1)
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*9 months 10 days after the release of the NY us quarter coin was Aleister Crowley's birthday
*333 days after the release of the NY us quarter coin was Aleister Crowley's death date
*aleister crowley's birthday 2000 was 1+1 months 9+11+1 days before the NY coin release
*aleister crowley's death date 2000 was 1 month 1 day before the NY coin release
*aleister crowley birthday 2000 was 333+1 days before 9/11/01
*aleister crowley death date 2000 was 9 months 10 days before 9/11/01

*333 days after Aleister Crowley's birthday is 9/11
*1/10 is 90 days after Aleister Crowley's bday
*1/11+9 is 100 (9x11 then 1) days after Aleister Crowley's bday
*1 month 1 day after 9/11/1 is Aleister Crowley's bday
*111 days after aleister crowley's birthday is Columbia Accident

*JFK murder
9 days before ALEISTER CROWLEY'S DEATH DATE 11/22
1 month 10 days after ALEISTER CROWLEY'S BIRTHDAY 11/22
John F. Kennedy, inaugural address, January 20, 1961 (1/11+9) was 99 (9x11) days after aleister crowley's birthday

*Pres Bush Senior
Inaugural speech january 20 (1/11+9) 1989 was 99 (9x11) days after Aleister Crowley´s birthday
and 9+11 days into the year 1989
also was 1 year 234 days before 9/11/90
and also 1+11 years 234 days before 9/11/1

*President Lyndon B. Johnson had a heart attack and died 101 days after Aleister Crowley's birthday
9 days after LBJ's death is 110 days after Aleister Crowley's birthday

*APEC summit 21 world leaders (including a pres)
10/21 event was 9 days after 10/12
10/21 was 1 month 11 days before 12/1 death day"
APEC -- take out the AC for "ALEISTER CROWLEY" left with P+E=21) a=2 b=2 c=3
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*Pioneer 10 spacecraft has sent its last signal to Earth. Pioneer´s last, very weak signal was received on Jan. 22
P10 on 1/11+11
*9x11 then 1 day after Aleister Crowley's birthday Pioneer 10
http://amesnews.arc.nasa.gov/releases/2003/03_25HQ.html
*11 days later Columbia Accident

*the november issue (11th month) of high times magazine has a great section on "ALEISTER CROWLEY" and his name on the cover. (2003)


12/12/12 is 9 days before END OF MAYAN CALENDAR
12/12/12 is 11 days after ALEISTER CROWLEY'S DEATH DATE

MADRID, sPAIN (AP) - 10 bombs tear through commuter trains during morning rush hour , 1200 injured -
Officials blamed Basque separatists for the worst terror attack in Spanish history. --- 111+6+6+6+7+7+7 days after ALEISTER CROWLEY's birthday

*9x11 days then 10 days after FAHRENHEIT 9/11 hit theatres is ALEISTER CROWLEY'S BIRTHDAY

*123 days after the funeral of Reagan is the Birthday of Aleister Crowley
*60+60+59 days after Ronald Reagan's death is the death of Aleister Crowley

*9+11+1 days after Aleister Crowley´s birthday is Election Day 2004
*9 days before ALEISTER CROWLEY´S DEATH DATE JFK ASSASINATION
*1 month 10 days after ALEISTER CROWLEY´S BIRTHDAY JFK ASSASINATION
*9+11+9+11+1 year anniversary of jfk murder

*3+1+3+3+7+9+11+1 days after aleister crowley's birthday is 11/19

*On Dec. 1st (Date of Aleister Crowley's death) Tom Brokaw will "sign off" from the nation's top-rated evening newscast

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1999-2001 (PRIOR TO 9/11/01)
US QUARTER DESIGN PROGRAM - QUARTERS DESIGNED/RELEASED BEFORE THE 9/11/01 EVENT

US QUARTER NH: 9 stars ON THE QUARTER IN THE DESIGN
US QUARTER NY: 11 stars ON THE QUARTER IN THE DESIGN
US QUARTER SC: 1 star ON THE QUARTER IN THE DESIGN

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*The 50 State Quarters™ Program is 'changing' the 'state' of coin collecting. Approximately every 10 weeks, from 1999 to 2008, there will be a new state quarter released. Each quarter's reverse will celebrate one of the 50 states with a design honoring its unique history, traditions, and symbols. The quarters are released in the same order that the states joined the union. 3 of the first 1+3+3+7 quarters (BEFORE 9/11/01) had stars and 11 quarters that did not have stars in the design.
The last quarter with stars released before the TWO TOWERS in NY were attacked was the NY quarter.


*9 months 10 days after the release of the NY coin was Aleister Crowley's birthday
*333 days after the release of the NY coin was Aleister Crowley's death date
*aleister crowley's birthday 2000 was 1+1 months 9+11+1 days before the NY coin release
*aleister crowley's death date 2000 was 1 month 1 day before the NY coin release
*aleister crowley birthday 2000 was 333+1 days before 9/11/01
*aleister crowley death date 2000 was 9 months 10 days before 9/11/01
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From: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 00:00:00
to: Monday, June 28, 2004 00:00:00
It is 180 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates
60+60+60 days after NY's day is IRAQI HANDOVER


From: Monday, June 28, 2004 00:00:00
to: Saturday, December 25, 2004 00:00:00
It is 180 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates
60+60+60 days after IRAQI HAND OVER is CHRISTMAS DAY


Power handed to Iraq government - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1003012.html

From: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 00:00:00
to: Monday, June 28, 2004 00:00:00
It is 1021 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates

1000 then 9+11+1 days after 9/11/1 power handed to Iraqi gov't

power handed back to Iraq gov't june 28
101 weeks and under 24 hours from 6/6/06

Iraq formally returned to self-rule 1+1 days early http://networks.org/?src=stuff:2106,2955526a12,00


From: Monday, June 28, 2004 00:00:00
to: Friday, October 29, 2004 00:00:00
It is 123 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds between those dates
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Somebody please move this crap to the cesspool.

I am sorry I didn’t need a conspiracy site to tell that the 757 assertion is highly questionable
Give me a break. What happened to all the people who were on the flight if it didn't crash? Did it crash somewhere else? I'm sure we would have heard about it if it did. Or maybe it landed in Cuba and the passengers are being held in Guantonamo Bay. Never mind that the wife of a member of the Bush administration was on that flight (Susan Olson). Or maybe that just makes you more suspicious.

I'm going to lock this thread rather than moving it to cesspool. My reason is simple... It's not a pseudoscience, its not attempting to gain any form of peer review to define fact or fiction is mearly a "ratings ploy" by picking a topic that people can exactly get away from.
(similar to how every watches films/programs about "ghosts" or "aliens")

Events have been and gone, and are still remembered, we can't stop what occured all we can do is move on and stop cashing in on the needless deaths of others.